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(Canoe) Stupid Raw milk crusader fined $9,150. His wife isn't too happy about this, but I wouldn't put it pasteur to forgive him   (cnews.canoe.ca) divider line 251
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2011-11-26 01:09:14 PM
Nice headline there, subby. Well played.
 
2011-11-26 01:12:22 PM
www.reidfleming.com
 
2011-11-26 01:13:09 PM
That's right, consumer. Only corporate-produced factory-milk should be allowed. Allowing any old schmuck to milk a cow and sell it would undermine Big Dairy and that cannot be allowed.
 
2011-11-26 01:17:33 PM
stiletto_the_wise: That's right, consumer. Only corporate-produced factory-milk should be allowed. Allowing any old schmuck to milk a cow and sell it would undermine Big Dairy and that cannot be allowed.

Who doesn't miss the taste of listeria from their childhood? Oh look I'm getting wistful and teary-eyed... hopefully that's wistfulness and not salmonella
 
2011-11-26 01:18:03 PM
A "cow-share program" makes me think of a way to get free milk, but you have to sit in a cold barn and listen to a couple farmers talk about how amazing their cows are for 4 hours.

/Now you can get Bossie here at the VEEERY affordable price of $120.99 per month and accumulate 20 Moo Points
//Or move up to Miss Dandy for $140.99 per month and get a whopping 30 Moo Points
///ISN'T THAT AMAZING?!
 
2011-11-26 01:18:13 PM
Came in here to exclaim "NO WHEY! and "Cheesy headline pun." but was blown away by the Reid Fleming ref. One of the greatest unknowns of all time. So will just say "Here is your cheque, subby. Straighten that cap, company rules"
 
2011-11-26 01:18:47 PM
stiletto_the_wise: That's right, consumer. Only corporate-produced factory-milk should be allowed. Allowing any old schmuck to milk a cow and sell it would undermine Big Dairy and that cannot be allowed.

...so I'm getting a kick...
 
2011-11-26 01:20:01 PM
stiletto_the_wise: That's right, consumer. Only corporate-produced factory-milk should be allowed. Allowing any old schmuck to milk a cow and sell it would undermine Big Dairy and that cannot be allowed.

Hey, this guy's in Canada. Almost all US states allow at least some raw milk sales, especially if the farmer is doing the selling.
 
2011-11-26 01:21:59 PM
"I'm NOT bald! I get my hair CUT this way!"
 
2011-11-26 01:23:42 PM
Man, he got CREAMED!
 
2011-11-26 01:24:07 PM
The All-Powerful Atheismo: stiletto_the_wise: That's right, consumer. Only corporate-produced factory-milk should be allowed. Allowing any old schmuck to milk a cow and sell it would undermine Big Dairy and that cannot be allowed.

Who doesn't miss the taste of listeria from their childhood? Oh look I'm getting wistful and teary-eyed... hopefully that's wistfulness and not salmonella


sorry you missed out on the deliciousness that is raw milk...
 
2011-11-26 01:25:22 PM
WE ARE THE 2 PERCENT!
 
2011-11-26 01:26:20 PM
"I'll see you in court, Reid!"

"I don't play tennis! Have a drink, creep!"
 
2011-11-26 01:29:20 PM
stiletto_the_wise: That's right, consumer. Only corporate-produced factory-milk should be allowed. Allowing any old schmuck to milk a cow and sell it would undermine Big Dairy and that cannot be allowed.

The reason we have laws against raw milk is the result of not having them. Thousands used to die every year in the US from cholera, listeria and other diseases from unpasteurized milk. "Deliciousness" is no substitute for "Living until you're old enough to vote"
 
2011-11-26 01:31:40 PM
Pathman: sorry you missed out on the deliciousness that is raw milk...

and the diarrhea usually goes away after a while.
 
2011-11-26 01:31:51 PM
cdn.comicartfans.com
 
2011-11-26 01:33:58 PM
Pathman: The All-Powerful Atheismo: stiletto_the_wise: That's right, consumer. Only corporate-produced factory-milk should be allowed. Allowing any old schmuck to milk a cow and sell it would undermine Big Dairy and that cannot be allowed.

Who doesn't miss the taste of listeria from their childhood? Oh look I'm getting wistful and teary-eyed... hopefully that's wistfulness and not salmonella

sorry you missed out on the deliciousness that is raw milk...


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-11-26 01:34:40 PM
stiletto_the_wise: That's right, consumer. Only corporate-produced factory-milk should be allowed. Allowing any old schmuck to milk a cow and sell it would undermine Big Dairy and that cannot be allowed.

Old Louis Pasteur was a paid shill for big-dairy. It's all so obvious now.

Bacteria aren't a real thing, they were invented by the all powerful pasteurization-lobby to scare us in to accepting their false promises of health and safety!
 
2011-11-26 01:36:59 PM
For those who fear raw milk...
http://worldcowgirl.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/1196/
 
2011-11-26 01:38:45 PM
I recall reading about some redneck couple here on fark a while ago and the husband was a proponent of raw milk. Until some sort of bacteria caused him to become a bed ridden invalid. Good times.
 
2011-11-26 01:43:53 PM
samardzic77: For those who fear raw milk...
http://worldcowgirl.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/1196/


On the other hand...
Link (new window)
 
2011-11-26 01:44:24 PM
wutchamacallem: Pathman: sorry you missed out on the deliciousness that is raw milk...

and the diarrhea usually goes away after a while.


Argument based on facts not in evidence.
 
2011-11-26 01:44:30 PM
I've been drinking raw milk for a few months now. The milk is tested every week and is extremely clean, cleaner than most grocery store milk. The other day, we spun cream out of it, which we turned into butter, which we THEN used to make grilled cheese sandwiches with some really good Wisconsin cheddar..... Yeah, real food FTW!!!
 
2011-11-26 01:45:05 PM
profile.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2011-11-26 01:47:22 PM
wutchamacallem: samardzic77: For those who fear raw milk...
http://worldcowgirl.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/1196/

On the other hand...
Link (new window)


Oh, look, an appeal to authority without having even read the article I posted. How original...
 
2011-11-26 01:48:40 PM
wutchamacallem: samardzic77: For those who fear raw milk...
http://worldcowgirl.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/1196/

On the other hand...
Link (new window)


Problem is not raw milk. It is factory dairy farm conditions. Little said on the CDC site is not also true of pasteurized milk.
 
2011-11-26 01:49:17 PM
This guy is my neighbour. He's an attention whore who, when not getting food poisoning, travels around Ontario joining other hippy protests and daring the cops to arrest him. I almost interviewed him last year because he got arrested for joining a bunch of Natives that were roadblocking to protest a dump that was being built, and I was shooting a documentary about the dump project.
 
2011-11-26 01:49:38 PM
samardzic77: I've been drinking raw milk for a few months now. The milk is tested every week and is extremely clean, cleaner than most grocery store milk

Care to elaborate, because I'm calling complete BS.

Yes, it probably tastes better. Its probably safe enough. But in no way is it cleaner or safer than grocery store milk.
 
2011-11-26 01:50:13 PM
Instead of selling a bottle of raw milk for, say, $3 or $4. Sell just the bottles for that much. Then they aren't selling raw milk, they're just selling milk bottles. If the bottles sold just happen to have raw milk in them then it's a bonus for the purchaser. "Raw milk? No, no, it's illegal to sell that. No laws broken here, officer, just selling these milk bottles."
 
2011-11-26 01:54:15 PM
I think you guys have all missed the scariest part of the article:

But Judge Peter Tetley overturned the acquittals on 15 of the charges on Sept. 28.

Judges in Canada are apparently allowed to overturn not guilty verdicts. Farking scary
 
2011-11-26 01:55:18 PM
I've noticed it's been getting pretty punny around lately here. I'm not sure I like it.
 
2011-11-26 01:55:36 PM
Dnrta: did he stomp on a cow's hoof?

/California, California, hey!
 
2011-11-26 01:57:09 PM
Jixa: Instead of selling a bottle of raw milk for, say, $3 or $4. Sell just the bottles for that much. Then they aren't selling raw milk, they're just selling milk bottles. If the bottles sold just happen to have raw milk in them then it's a bonus for the purchaser. "Raw milk? No, no, it's illegal to sell that. No laws broken here, officer, just selling these milk bottles."

Great idea. Why haven't drug dealers thought of this? I'm not selling crack, officer! I'm selling individual plastic baggies. That happen to have crack in them!
 
2011-11-26 01:57:41 PM
Judges in Canada are apparently allowed to overturn not guilty verdicts. Farking scary

The Bag Balm lobby got to him.
 
2011-11-26 01:58:34 PM
Thanks a lot Fartbama!

/Canada is just a non-incorporated U.S. territory
 
2011-11-26 02:00:43 PM
downstairs: samardzic77: I've been drinking raw milk for a few months now. The milk is tested every week and is extremely clean, cleaner than most grocery store milk

Care to elaborate, because I'm calling complete BS.

Yes, it probably tastes better. Its probably safe enough. But in no way is it cleaner or safer than grocery store milk.


Actually, commercial milk is tested for the same pathogens that the milk I drink is tested for. The tolerances for bacteria and choloform (also known as poop) are unsettlingly high, as the processes milk goes through kills these things, as well as all the good enzymes that milk has pre-process. So, while you're probably right that it's usually pretty clean, they don't care as much when it's not because they have the process to fall back on. The dairy where I get my milk is incredibly diligent about cleanliness and sterilization and consistently gets extremely clean test results.

If you're interested, look up Moon Hill Dairy on facebook
 
2011-11-26 02:01:03 PM
anuran: The reason we have laws against raw milk is the result of not having them. Thousands used to die every year in the US from cholera, listeria and other diseases from unpasteurized milk. "Deliciousness" is no substitute for "Living until you're old enough to vote"

Correlation does not equal causation. Those laws came into effect around the time that pasteurization equipment was becoming cheap, reliable, and mass produced enough that virtually every producer was able to afford it. Before that time pasteurized milk was more expensive than non-pasteurized milk.

Pasteurization would have become the norm anyway, as costs came down, because of the benefits it brings. Increased shelf life was the reason my grandparents told me that their parents started pasteurizing, reduced disease was nothing more than a helpful side effect as far as they were concerned at the time since, according to her, few people got sick from milk on the farm. City folk may have been a different mater though.

The laws did nothing to speed the adoption of pasteurization, they simply reflected a trend that was already underway by the market. The exact same can be seen with child labor. Child labor in factories was being phased out decades before there was any serious political motivation to outlaw it. The society had become wealth enough that, for the first time in history, child labor was no longer necessary to supplement the parents income.
 
2011-11-26 02:04:08 PM
It's not the cow's fault, or the conditions of the feed lot. The milk that comes out of udders is very clean. However, the systems that get your milk from moo to market are very complex, and it's very easy for bacteria or fungi to get into that nutritious mix of vitamins and minerals. If you have your own cow, or your neighbor milks his and gives it to you, you're probably just fine and I wish you well. However, for the other 99.999% of the US, that's not feasible. It's far easier, safer and better for the farmers to ban raw milk from most stores.

And yes, it is better for the farmers. A good example of this is the recent salmonella laced eggs that were produced out of chicken houses owned by Jack DeCoster. DeCoster is a despicable human being to be sure, but he recently had to sell all of his chicken operations due to the bad press. If a medium sized farmer were to allow infected milk from his feedlot to get into the general populace, it would probably break him.
 
2011-11-26 02:05:57 PM
Bravo subby.
 
2011-11-26 02:07:12 PM
if you drink raw milk, you are an idiot. Sorry, that's just how it is. Milk is pasteurized for a reason. To be specific, that reason is raw milk tends to have nasty stuff in it. Like bacteria, blood, parasites, ect.
 
2011-11-26 02:10:19 PM
Eww, ect.
 
2011-11-26 02:12:08 PM
wutchamacallem: samardzic77: For those who fear raw milk...
http://worldcowgirl.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/1196/

On the other hand...
Link (new window)


Yeah, but like, the CDC is in the pocket of Big Gov and Big Dairy and so cannot be trusted. A blog on the other hand is one person's quest to speak truth to power! I believe everything that blogs tell me because it's common sense and the wisdom of the people and there is never any attempt by any blogger ever to promote their own agenda. Also, raw milk is being unjustly villified by Big Science and their Big Bacteria Lie. My naturopath told me so and there is no way that my naturopath would ever lie to me. Plus, she doesn't really make a lot of money being a naturopath, because naturopath's aren't in any kind of industry, whereas Big Medicine is in the pocket of Big Pharma.

/I feel dirty now.
 
2011-11-26 02:12:54 PM
stiletto_the_wise: That's right, consumer. Only corporate-produced factory-milk should be allowed. Allowing any old schmuck to milk a cow and sell it would undermine Big Dairy and that cannot be allowed.

That's WRONG commenter. There are FDA guidelines for food safety for a reason. From mom and pop selling their wares to the country store, to mega-moo the milk overlords, everyone has to adhere to these standards, or people can get sick and die from bacterial infection.

What is it about you knee jerk anti commerce types that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of almost EVERY SINGLE THING you talk about?
 
2011-11-26 02:14:19 PM
Cpl.D: if you drink raw milk, you are an idiot. Sorry, that's just how it is. Milk is pasteurized for a reason. To be specific, that reason is raw milk tends to have nasty stuff in it. Like bacteria, blood, parasites, ect.

You don't understand. They fight to drink it for its health benefits.
 
2011-11-26 02:16:15 PM
Cpl.D: if you drink raw milk, you are an idiot. Sorry, that's just how it is. Milk is pasteurized for a reason. To be specific, that reason is raw milk tends to have nasty stuff in it. Like bacteria, blood, parasites, ect.

Assume, for the sake of argument, you are completely correct. Does that justify the government requiring all milk to be pasteurized? My risk, my choice, right? The kinds of things associated with unpasteurized milk are not communicable, so there's no larger public health risk if my farmer makes and I buy and consume unpasteurized milk.
 
2011-11-26 02:16:31 PM
ArkAngel:

Thank you. Came here to say that.
 
2011-11-26 02:16:32 PM
Cpl.D: if you drink raw milk, you are an idiot. Sorry, that's just how it is. Milk is pasteurized for a reason. To be specific, that reason is raw milk tends to have nasty stuff in it. Like bacteria, blood, parasites, ect.

I wouldn't eat blowfish sliced by Bozo the sushi chef but, it is still good when properly prepared. Same goes for milk. Pasteurization allows large dairy farmers to be very lazy about conditions. Nummy cowshait is great as long as it is properly cooked.
 
2011-11-26 02:21:28 PM
samardzic77:
Oh, look, an appeal to authority without having even read the article I posted. How original...


Hmm whom to believe. Authority or a blogger... authority or a blogger...
 
2011-11-26 02:22:00 PM
Manfred J. Hattan: Assume, for the sake of argument, you are completely correct. Does that justify the government requiring all milk to be pasteurized? My risk, my choice, right? The kinds of things associated with unpasteurized milk are not communicable, so there's no larger public health risk if my farmer makes and I buy and consume unpasteurized milk.

Milk is not considered dangerous, and it shouldn't be. When I open a fresh gallon to put on my milk in the morning, I don't want some seal with 16 pages of legalese absolving A&E from any liability should I get sick. You want to see small and medium sized farmers go under? People won't buy milk if they think it has any chance of making them sick.

If 99% of the milk in the country is safe, but everybody drinks a glass a day, that's a whole lot of people getting sick.
 
2011-11-26 02:24:33 PM
teasea: Cpl.D: if you drink raw milk, you are an idiot. Sorry, that's just how it is. Milk is pasteurized for a reason. To be specific, that reason is raw milk tends to have nasty stuff in it. Like bacteria, blood, parasites, ect.

I wouldn't eat blowfish sliced by Bozo the sushi chef but, it is still good when properly prepared. Same goes for milk. Pasteurization allows large dairy farmers to be very lazy about conditions. Nummy cowshait is great as long as it is properly cooked.


I'm sure that if I were to order fugu, the sushi place would make absolutely sure that I knew what I was getting into. When I'm checking out at Walmart, the clerk's not going to look up and read off a 5 minute speil about how the milk I'm purchasing has the possibility of giving me horrible life threatening illnesses.
 
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