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2011-11-26 10:26:59 AM  
In a recent mailer sent to Iowa voters, Cain says "as a descendent of slaves I can lead the Republican party to victory by garnering a large share of the black vote, something that has not been done since Dwight Eisenhower garnered 41 percent of the black vote in 1956."

Congrats, Herm, you just pinpointed the last time the GOP wasn't a raving horde of fear-mongering assholes.
 
2011-11-26 10:42:30 AM  
I knew a lady who knew Eisenhower. You, sir, are no Eisenhower.

That kid in the Special Class who eats paste? That's you.
 
2011-11-26 10:48:21 AM  
Yes, being a pizza CEO is exactly like leading US forces in Europe in WWII. Also, being a loyal subject of the military-industrial complex is exactly like warning against it.

Also, I don't think black voters are going to leave a black Democratic candidate in droves over a black Republican candidate. I'm sure there's a part of a large part of the black voting population that feels some pull toward voting for a social conservative, but as long as the Republican Party has a platform of bowing down to the rich while soaking the poor, I doubt they're going to attract a lot of black voters.
 
2011-11-26 11:36:00 AM  
Eisenhower was more liberal than Obama, too.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion."

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
 
2011-11-26 11:42:14 AM  
herman cain couldn't hold Eisenhower's jock strap
 
2011-11-26 11:44:10 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: In a recent mailer sent to Iowa voters, Cain says "as a descendent of slaves I can lead the Republican party to victory by garnering a large share of the black vote, something that has not been done since Dwight Eisenhower garnered 41 percent of the black vote in 1956."

Congrats, Herm, you just pinpointed the last time the GOP wasn't a raving horde of fear-mongering assholes.


yeah that was before the GOP was taken over by the racists who were against the Civil Rights act.
 
2011-11-26 11:56:03 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Lionel Mandrake: In a recent mailer sent to Iowa voters, Cain says "as a descendent of slaves I can lead the Republican party to victory by garnering a large share of the black vote, something that has not been done since Dwight Eisenhower garnered 41 percent of the black vote in 1956."

Congrats, Herm, you just pinpointed the last time the GOP wasn't a raving horde of fear-mongering assholes.

yeah that was before the GOP was taken over by the racists who were against the Civil Rights act.


Oh, I see you're single-issuing the matter. I wasn't

Following Eisenhower, the GOP put forward NOBODY on a national level that I could vote for. Certainly, there were lots of dickhead racist Dems I wouldn't vote for either, but there were options.

Also, the pro- or anti-civil rights divide was more of a north-south divide than a GOP-Dem divide.

link (new window)
 
2011-11-26 12:01:18 PM  
The Socialist Record of Dwight D. Eisenhower:

1. Cut and Ran in Korea that we totally could have won if we nuked China, but instead bowed to his commie masters in Moscow.
2. Spent billions of taxpayer dollars building roads and bridges to feed the coffers of unions
3. Expanded the welfare tit of Social Security
4. Cut defense spending
5. Started NASA so he could spy on us
6. Violated state's rights by sending federal troops to the south to force good moral schools into letting undesirables in.
7. Removed America's greatest patriot, Sen. Joe McCarthy, from power.

/Link (new window)
 
2011-11-26 12:04:39 PM  
Well, they both were chasin' employee tail...
 
2011-11-26 12:27:15 PM  
Ah yes, more code from the GOP that Herman Cain is a "real" black, unlike Obama the Halfrican.

Its a real insight to the republican mindset that they think blacks will robotically and monolithically follow whoever is "blackest" without regard to policy. That's really what he's saying here.

But don't forget its the democrats who are the real racists.
 
2011-11-26 12:33:32 PM  

gilgigamesh: Its a real insight to the republican mindset that they think blacks will robotically and monolithically follow whoever is "blackest" without regard to policy. That's really what he's saying here.


Cain likes "Black Walnut" ice cream
Obama likes arugula

Who's the REAL black guy?
 
2011-11-26 12:52:34 PM  
Eisenhower also had BOLE plans. NYE NYE NINE originated from Ike's "Black Walnut" proposals.

It's a BOLE plan.
 
2011-11-26 12:53:47 PM  

WTF Indeed: The Socialist Record of Dwight D. Eisenhower:

1. Cut and Ran in Korea that we totally could have won if we nuked China, but instead bowed to his commie masters in Moscow.
2. Spent billions of taxpayer dollars building roads and bridges to feed the coffers of unions
3. Expanded the welfare tit of Social Security
4. Cut defense spending
5. Started NASA so he could spy on us
6. Violated state's rights by sending federal troops to the south to force good moral schools into letting undesirables in.
7. Removed America's greatest patriot, Sen. Joe McCarthy, from power.

/Link (new window)


Those were very BOLE plans.
 
2011-11-26 12:57:06 PM  
My mom said she liked Cain. I told her that his tax plan would actually raise taxes on us and she said that he liked some of his policies.

I couldn't figure out which policy was decent. Then she said she didn't like any of the candidates and suggested we take all the good qualities of them all and roll them into one person, if we could.

But Obama had to be defeated. Because he is history's greatest monster.

I don't discuss politics with my family anymore.
 
2011-11-26 01:05:50 PM  
The truth is at least 90% of blacks will not vote for a Republican, ever, no matter the candidate's race. The Democrats make sure of this. See the current Texas gerrymandering issue.
 
2011-11-26 01:09:40 PM  

eatin' fetus: The truth is at least 90% of blacks will not vote for a Republican, ever, no matter the candidate's race. The Democrats make sure of this. See the current Texas gerrymandering issue.


You mean the REPUBLICANS make sure of this, with their deeds.
 
2011-11-26 01:13:27 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Eisenhower was more liberal than Obama, too.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion."

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."


VIDEO (new window). Not Safe For Politicians
 
2011-11-26 01:22:03 PM  

Alphax: eatin' fetus: The truth is at least 90% of blacks will not vote for a Republican, ever, no matter the candidate's race. The Democrats make sure of this. See the current Texas gerrymandering issue.

You mean the REPUBLICANS make sure of this, with their deeds.


No, I mean the Democrats make sure of this, with their needs.
 
2011-11-26 01:23:08 PM  

AnonAmbientLight: My mom said she liked Cain. I told her that his tax plan would actually raise taxes on us and she said that he liked some of his policies.

I couldn't figure out which policy was decent. Then she said she didn't like any of the candidates and suggested we take all the good qualities of them all and roll them into one person, if we could.

But Obama had to be defeated. Because he is history's greatest monster.

I don't discuss politics with my family anymore.


I see it as a continuing projection of the media around her still projecting W's failures onto Obama. The right wing refuses to still acknowledge publicly that W was even President. They keep running away from him and project onto Obama years later.

As for Cain, I do not see him worthy to even mention Eisenhower, as someone put that quote on above about military spending takes away from needs on the domestic (not homeland) front.
 
2011-11-26 01:27:54 PM  

eatin' fetus: Alphax: eatin' fetus: The truth is at least 90% of blacks will not vote for a Republican, ever, no matter the candidate's race. The Democrats make sure of this. See the current Texas gerrymandering issue.

You mean the REPUBLICANS make sure of this, with their deeds.

No, I mean the Democrats make sure of this, with their needs.


No. The Republicans continue to prove themselves unworthy of any support. They insult, slander, and drive away nearly everyone.
 
2011-11-26 01:29:09 PM  

eatin' fetus: The truth is at least 90% of blacks will not vote for a Republican, ever, no matter the candidate's race. The Democrats make

GOP made sure of this. See the current Texas gerrymandering issue four-decade long Southern Strategy.

Edited for accuracy
 
2011-11-26 01:30:14 PM  
The funeral of Eisenhower was one of the first things I ever saw on color TeeVee.
 
2011-11-26 01:30:49 PM  
While the African American community did overwhelmingly support Obama in the last election, a lot of people forget that they have overwhelmingly supported Democrats for decades.

The Republicans had their support early on due to the whole "freeing slaves" and "giving them the right to vote" issues. And indeed when the Civil Rights Act was passed, a higher percentage of Republicans then Democrats voted for it.

However then something curious happened. The Southern Democrats, the biggest opponents of the Civil Rights act, switched sides to the Republican party. Since this happened, African Americans have overwhelmingly support the Democratic party.


Herman Cain however does not have views that align with the majority of the African American community. In addition his non-participation in the Civil Rights movement in spite of being old enough to do so, does not help his case.

There's a decent chance that even if he was running against a white Democrat, he'd still be soundly defeated among the black community. He might still get a couple of extra votes from the most racist and politically ignorant ones, but all that means is that he'd lose the demographic 15-85 instead of the more typical 10-90.

Against another Black candidate however, he's even more sunk. He still might pick up a couple of votes from REALLY racist black people (who dislike Obama for having a white mother), but it will be inconsequential compared to even the number who typically vote Republican for informed political reasons.
 
2011-11-26 01:31:38 PM  

eatin' fetus: Alphax: eatin' fetus: The truth is at least 90% of blacks will not vote for a Republican, ever, no matter the candidate's race. The Democrats make sure of this. See the current Texas gerrymandering issue.

You mean the REPUBLICANS make sure of this, with their deeds.

No, I mean the Democrats make sure of this, with their needs.


No the Demoplicans make sure of this, with their creeds.
 
2011-11-26 01:33:00 PM  
Frankly, I'm fine with candidates looking up to Eisenhower as a role model.
 
2011-11-26 01:33:16 PM  
robmorphy.com
 
2011-11-26 01:38:27 PM  
We get it. He's black.
 
2011-11-26 01:46:37 PM  
Wow, Moses and Eisenhower all in one package? He's looking better every day! *eyeroll*
 
2011-11-26 01:47:53 PM  

cman: We get it. He's black.


And not just black like Obama. Really black like descendants of slaves. That is mighty black.
 
2011-11-26 02:05:21 PM  

Arkanaut: eatin' fetus: Alphax: eatin' fetus: The truth is at least 90% of blacks will not vote for a Republican, ever, no matter the candidate's race. The Democrats make sure of this. See the current Texas gerrymandering issue.

You mean the REPUBLICANS make sure of this, with their deeds.

No, I mean the Democrats make sure of this, with their needs.

No the Demoplicans make sure of this, with their creeds.


No, the Republicrats make sure of this, with their screeds.
 
2011-11-26 02:05:23 PM  

AnonAmbientLight: My mom said she liked Cain. I told her that his tax plan would actually raise taxes on us and she said that he liked some of his policies.

I couldn't figure out which policy was decent. Then she said she didn't like any of the candidates and suggested we take all the good qualities of them all and roll them into one person, if we could.

But Obama had to be defeated. Because he is history's greatest monster.

I don't discuss politics with my family anymore.


Each time I go home for the holidays, I stock up on street Valium. Seriously, the derp is that bad. It's like trying to eat turkey with Phil and Gato.

Once I discovered the joy of drugs, it got much easier. Now I just sit and nod whenever my parents talk about how Obama is both incompetent and a diabolical genius hell-bent on destroying America.

"Obama is raising a private army to do his bidding."

"Cool. Pass the cranberry sauce?"
 
2011-11-26 02:07:24 PM  
I'm sure that Cain will get a significant percentage of rich black voters.
 
2011-11-26 02:09:24 PM  
I like Herman Cain. I don't know a lot of black kids because there just aren't that many around but he connects with young voters and I think that the "age lines" are more important than "racial lines."
 
2011-11-26 02:09:36 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Eisenhower was more liberal than Obama, too.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion."

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."


Great speech. Too bad he waited until his last day in office to deliver it.
 
2011-11-26 02:10:49 PM  
Somewhere, Eisenhower is doing a titanic face-palm
 
2011-11-26 02:11:00 PM  

dontpointthatthingatme: I like Herman Cain. I don't know a lot of black kids because there just aren't that many around but he connects with young voters and I think that the "age lines" are more important than "racial lines."


Citation please?
 
2011-11-26 02:11:53 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Arkanaut: eatin' fetus: Alphax: eatin' fetus: The truth is at least 90% of blacks will not vote for a Republican, ever, no matter the candidate's race. The Democrats make sure of this. See the current Texas gerrymandering issue.

You mean the REPUBLICANS make sure of this, with their deeds.

No, I mean the Democrats make sure of this, with their needs.

No the Demoplicans make sure of this, with their creeds.

No, the Republicrats make sure of this, with their screeds.


No, ACORN makes sure of this, with their seeds.
 
2011-11-26 02:14:51 PM  

Sabyen91: dontpointthatthingatme: I like Herman Cain. I don't know a lot of black kids because there just aren't that many around but he connects with young voters and I think that the "age lines" are more important than "racial lines."

Citation please?


Well I can't point you to a poll I'm just talking as a college student but the only other candidate that has more enthusiasm amongst the youth (as far as I can tell) is Ron Paul. I can't see me or my friends volunteering for Newt Gingrich but Herman Cain is kind like our Obama because he is willing to admit what he does not know and defer to others and I think that is an admirable quality in a leader. I'm not saying I won't vote for Obama but this is my first presidential election so I'm paying more attention to the Republican debates right now because it is undecided.
 
2011-11-26 02:15:12 PM  
Came for the Military-Industrial Complex references. Leaving satisfied.
 
2011-11-26 02:21:36 PM  

VJStinger: DarwiOdrade: Arkanaut: eatin' fetus: Alphax: eatin' fetus: The truth is at least 90% of blacks will not vote for a Republican, ever, no matter the candidate's race. The Democrats make sure of this. See the current Texas gerrymandering issue.

You mean the REPUBLICANS make sure of this, with their deeds.

No, I mean the Democrats make sure of this, with their needs.

No the Demoplicans make sure of this, with their creeds.

No, the Republicrats make sure of this, with their screeds.

No, ACORN makes sure of this, with their seeds.


Maybe it's Nevada, with their Reids?
 
2011-11-26 02:23:12 PM  

dontpointthatthingatme: Sabyen91: dontpointthatthingatme: I like Herman Cain. I don't know a lot of black kids because there just aren't that many around but he connects with young voters and I think that the "age lines" are more important than "racial lines."

Citation please?

Well I can't point you to a poll I'm just talking as a college student but the only other candidate that has more enthusiasm amongst the youth (as far as I can tell) is Ron Paul. I can't see me or my friends volunteering for Newt Gingrich but Herman Cain is kind like our Obama because he is willing to admit what he does not know and defer to others and I think that is an admirable quality in a leader. I'm not saying I won't vote for Obama but this is my first presidential election so I'm paying more attention to the Republican debates right now because it is undecided.


The problem is the huge number of important things he has to admit he knows nothing about.
 
2011-11-26 02:30:56 PM  
Federal 9% sales tax on top of any other sales tax I already pay?

I'm so there!
 
2011-11-26 02:31:42 PM  

DarwiOdrade: VJStinger: DarwiOdrade: Arkanaut: eatin' fetus: Alphax: eatin' fetus: The truth is at least 90% of blacks will not vote for a Republican, ever, no matter the candidate's race. The Democrats make sure of this. See the current Texas gerrymandering issue.

You mean the REPUBLICANS make sure of this, with their deeds.

No, I mean the Democrats make sure of this, with their needs.

No the Demoplicans make sure of this, with their creeds.

No, the Republicrats make sure of this, with their screeds.

No, ACORN makes sure of this, with their seeds.

Maybe it's Nevada, with their Reids?


I blame Monsanto, and their weeds

/ just because my liberal heart bleeds.
 
2011-11-26 02:36:55 PM  

DarwiOdrade: VJStinger: DarwiOdrade: Arkanaut: eatin' fetus: Alphax: eatin' fetus: The truth is at least 90% of blacks will not vote for a Republican, ever, no matter the candidate's race. The Democrats make sure of this. See the current Texas gerrymandering issue.

You mean the REPUBLICANS make sure of this, with their deeds.

No, I mean the Democrats make sure of this, with their needs.

No the Demoplicans make sure of this, with their creeds.

No, the Republicrats make sure of this, with their screeds.

No, ACORN makes sure of this, with their seeds.

Maybe it's Nevada, with their Reids?


I think it's the Onceler, with his Thneeds.
 
2011-11-26 02:43:58 PM  

AnonAmbientLight: My mom said she liked Cain. I told her that his tax plan would actually raise taxes on us and she said that he liked some of his policies.

I couldn't figure out which policy was decent. Then she said she didn't like any of the candidates and suggested we take all the good qualities of them all and roll them into one person, if we could.

But Obama had to be defeated. Because he is history's greatest monster.

I don't discuss politics with my family anymore.




Ha, my mom said she liked Cain too. She can't stand any of the rest but can't stand history's greatest monster more.

I brought up the same thing regarding taxes and remarked that I thought he was an idiot (mostly regarding foreign policy but we didn't even get there). She shot back at how he couldn't be an idiot since he was a CEO and ran big companies, etc. More of that rich=smart crap that so many people seem to cling to.

I didn't push the issue. She'll probably stay home or just hold her nose and press the "R" button for who ever gets the nod. I don't even bother with it much with family and politics unless they get in my face with blatantly stupid shiat -- and sometimes even then I let it blow over. It's better that way because no one's changing anyone's minds.
 
2011-11-26 02:46:34 PM  

Lionel Mandrake:

Congrats, Herm, you just pinpointed the last time the GOP wasn't a raving horde of fear-mongering assholes.


And for liberals, you'd have to at least go back to before whenever global warming was postulated.
 
2011-11-26 02:48:39 PM  

WTF Indeed: 6. Violated state's rights by sending federal troops to the south to force good moral schools into letting undesirables in.


And I think his share of the black vote doubled in '56. So what did Republicans do after that?

"I wouldn't like to see my party assume that it is the role of the Federal Government to enforce integration in schools."
-Barry Goldwater, 1961

"We're not going to get the Negro vote as a bloc in 1964 and 1968, so we ought to go hunting where the ducks are."
-Barry Goldwater, 1961
 
2011-11-26 02:56:25 PM  
Ike was bald. Cain is bald. What more do you need to know? Cain is the new Ike!
 
2011-11-26 03:00:21 PM  

Sabyen91: dontpointthatthingatme: I like Herman Cain. I don't know a lot of black kids because there just aren't that many around but he connects with young voters and I think that the "age lines" are more important than "racial lines."

Citation please?


Agreed. I am young, and I think he's an idiot. Most of my peers don't even know who he is, and the few that do ALSO think he's an idiot.
 
2011-11-26 03:06:56 PM  

Non-evil Monkey: While the African American community did overwhelmingly support Obama in the last election, a lot of people forget that they have overwhelmingly supported Democrats for decades.

The Republicans had their support early on due to the whole "freeing slaves" and "giving them the right to vote" issues. And indeed when the Civil Rights Act was passed, a higher percentage of Republicans then Democrats voted for it.

However then something curious happened. The Southern Democrats, the biggest opponents of the Civil Rights act, switched sides to the Republican party. Since this happened, African Americans have overwhelmingly support the Democratic party.

Herman Cain however does not have views that align with the majority of the African American community. In addition his non-participation in the Civil Rights movement in spite of being old enough to do so, does not help his case.

There's a decent chance that even if he was running against a white Democrat, he'd still be soundly defeated among the black community. He might still get a couple of extra votes from the most racist and politically ignorant ones, but all that means is that he'd lose the demographic 15-85 instead of the more typical 10-90.

Against another Black candidate however, he's even more sunk. He still might pick up a couple of votes from REALLY racist black people (who dislike Obama for having a white mother), but it will be inconsequential compared to even the number who typically vote Republican for informed political reasons.



Actually, the switch in support started in the '30s. FDR was a bit timid on the civil rights issue, but Eleanor Roosevelt had a close connection with Walter White, the president of the NAACP. Two Northern Democrats tried to pass an anti-lynching bill during the New Deal era, but there were still enough Southern Democrats to block it.

And Strom Thurmond's third-party run was caused by a Hubert Humphrey speech calling for a stronger civil rights platform at the 1948 Democratic Convention. '64 was a big year, but the transition had already started.

/The funny part is, Cain switched from being a Democrat to being a Republican in 1984, the same year Trent Lott claimed that "the spirit of Jefferson Davis lives in the Republican platform."
 
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