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(Reuters)   If you liked starting your Black Friday at midnight, the retailers did too and plan on continuing it. Thanks, America   (reuters.com) divider line 224
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2011-11-26 04:07:59 AM  

sendtodave: FirstNationalBastard: WorldCitizen: So, basically, no one who works retail is going to be able to have a Thanksgiving with friends and family so that some Americans can have the ability to fall for mass marketing gimmicks?

You want to make money, or to gorge yourself with people you can barely tolerate the other 364 days of the year?

All this "THINK OF THE FAMILIES" crap is as bad as "THINK OF TEH CHILDREN".

Not everyone hates their families, daylight, other people.


It's not that we hate them, it's just that all those things you mentioned require the wearing of pants...
 
2011-11-26 04:10:06 AM  

Tellingthem: I'm just wondering why people aren't complaining about the poor folks working at the grocery store, convenience store, liquor store, restaurant, gas station, taxi cabs, etc who also have to work on Thanksgiving. Why does a register jockey having to work at Target get everyone up in arms but the register jockey at 7-11 gets squat?


Because foreigners don't celebrate Thanksgiving. Obviously.
 
2011-11-26 04:13:22 AM  

Cytokine Storm: It's not that we hate them, it's just that all those things you mentioned require the wearing of pants...


Really? ... That explains a lot.

NOW you tell me.
 
2011-11-26 04:19:25 AM  

Tellingthem: I'm just wondering why people aren't complaining about the poor folks working at the grocery store, convenience store, liquor store, restaurant, gas station, taxi cabs, etc who also have to work on Thanksgiving. Why does a register jockey having to work at Target get everyone up in arms but the register jockey at 7-11 gets squat?


Because everyone know that only Hindus work at 7-11, who don't believe in Thanksgiving because it's an American holiday invented by Christians, so it's OK to make them work on Thanksgiving.
 
2011-11-26 04:21:32 AM  
The Wal-Mart here had 5,000 cars in its and the adjoining parking lots when I passed by at 10:30 last night. I've never seen such a horde. If anyone had wanted to take out the city of Fairbanks, they missed their opportunity last night. Its insane. I can't even imagine what the inside was like. No thanks. I'll be home, on my couch, with my guy, eating gummy bears and watching star trek reruns if anyone needs me.
 
2011-11-26 04:21:35 AM  
I'll take internet over retail any time I can, because I hate people.
 
2011-11-26 04:22:13 AM  

ksdanj: HammerHeadSnark: I'm thinkin' it won't be too awful long before we have "Black November" eventually leading to "Black October," etc., until the entire calendar year becomes black and bleak.

That comment seems racist, but I'm not sure.

Can I get a ruling over here?


Hey! I didn't start all this "black" stuff. It was somebody else. It was the guy who first said I'd get a "black mark" for chewing gum in line and later called me "black hearted" for breaking up with my girlfriend of two years by texting. He was also the guy who called my neighbor a "black" Smith. Well, he was slightly darker in a dermatological sense and he did sometimes shoe horses, so I guess that was okay, although guys like that are usually called "farriers."
 
2011-11-26 04:25:28 AM  

Cytokine Storm: sendtodave: FirstNationalBastard: WorldCitizen: So, basically, no one who works retail is going to be able to have a Thanksgiving with friends and family so that some Americans can have the ability to fall for mass marketing gimmicks?

You want to make money, or to gorge yourself with people you can barely tolerate the other 364 days of the year?

All this "THINK OF THE FAMILIES" crap is as bad as "THINK OF TEH CHILDREN".

Not everyone hates their families, daylight, other people.

It's not that we hate them, it's just that all those things you mentioned require the wearing of pants...


Well, MOST other people, but not all of them.
 
2011-11-26 05:02:11 AM  
You know... you don't actually have to rush out and buy stuff. Oh, but I guess it's tradition. Just like 'celebratory gunfire' in the middle east, or 'marrying a twelve-year-old' in India. Carry on, then. Carry on.
 
2011-11-26 05:11:21 AM  
So we're just going to keep pushing back Black Friday sales until we're sitting outside Wal-Mart in the beginning of October?
 
2011-11-26 05:20:00 AM  

Mike_LowELL: So we're just going to keep pushing back Black Friday sales until we're sitting outside Wal-Mart in the beginning of October?


Yeah, the beginning of October... if you want to be last in line.
 
2011-11-26 05:23:23 AM  

Mike_LowELL: So we're just going to keep pushing back Black Friday sales until we're sitting outside Wal-Mart in the beginning of October?


The economy isn't doing so well. It's your civic duty to consume more.
 
2011-11-26 05:30:58 AM  
Retail worker here. Fark you America. Yes, I was given holiday pay. No, I did not have a choice whether or not to take it. Thanksgiving from here on is just a memory. I know, I should be more bootstrappy and get a different KIND of crappy job. Extra pay does not make up for missing a holiday. Did I mention fark you America?
 
2011-11-26 05:34:54 AM  
Not seeing how this is asinine.
 
2011-11-26 05:35:13 AM  

gadian: watching star trek reruns if anyone needs me.


TOS, TNG, DS9 or Voyager?

Inquiring minds want to know.
 
2011-11-26 05:35:51 AM  

ksdanj: Bucky Katt: whatever floats your boat. i always wait for the sales on Dec. 26.

I hear that.

I was raised by parents who only bought Halloween candy on Novermber 1st, Christmas candy on December 26th, and Valentine's Day candy on February 15th.

/recession?
//what recession?


Same here.

Parents retired at 55, paid off their house early, never bought a new car (until recently) and now are traveling around the world.

/Life is good when you don't follow the herd.
 
2011-11-26 05:36:04 AM  

gunther_bumpass: You know... you don't actually have to rush out and buy stuff. Oh, but I guess it's tradition. Just like 'celebratory gunfire' in the middle east, or 'marrying a twelve-year-old' in India. Carry on, then. Carry on.


No farking doubt. All of our gifts are already purchased and I did my best to shop hyperlocal for christmas for my family.

My wife's getting a new front door for our house carved by a guy who lives two blocks from us. Beautiful work, styled and painted to match our Cape Cod. She's also getting antique diamond Eve Alfille diamond earrings from an antique shop one town over.

My oldest daughter is getting a "gift certificate" for auto repairs at a shop owned by one of her friend's father.

My son is getting a year of lessons from the Gracie Jiu Jitsu school uptown.

My middle child is getting a shopping spree at the locally owned sports and bike shop also uptown. You cant go all the way local - there's an iPod touch and iPad2 in the mix - but you can avoid bullshiat like black friday altogether and put a dent in the multinational conglomorate machine at he same time by being creative and purchasing local goods and services
 
2011-11-26 05:41:09 AM  

LDM90: Retail worker here. Fark you America. Yes, I was given holiday pay. No, I did not have a choice whether or not to take it. Thanksgiving from here on is just a memory. I know, I should be more bootstrappy and get a different KIND of crappy job. Extra pay does not make up for missing a holiday. Did I mention fark you America?


Are you unhappy with the contract between you and your employer? Do you feel that you are being exploited?

You have the power to terminate that contract!

Yay capitalism!
 
2011-11-26 05:46:07 AM  

Pilikia: gunther_bumpass: You know... you don't actually have to rush out and buy stuff. Oh, but I guess it's tradition. Just like 'celebratory gunfire' in the middle east, or 'marrying a twelve-year-old' in India. Carry on, then. Carry on.

No farking doubt. All of our gifts are already purchased and I did my best to shop hyperlocal for christmas for my family.

My wife's getting a new front door for our house carved by a guy who lives two blocks from us. Beautiful work, styled and painted to match our Cape Cod. She's also getting antique diamond Eve Alfille diamond earrings from an antique shop one town over.

My oldest daughter is getting a "gift certificate" for auto repairs at a shop owned by one of her friend's father.

My son is getting a year of lessons from the Gracie Jiu Jitsu school uptown.

My middle child is getting a shopping spree at the locally owned sports and bike shop also uptown. You cant go all the way local - there's an iPod touch and iPad2 in the mix - but you can avoid bullshiat like black friday altogether and put a dent in the multinational conglomorate machine at he same time by being creative and purchasing local goods and services


That's actually really nice, the local thing and all, but my point was that you don't have to buy anything at all. Your family will still love you, the sun will still rise, and Jay Cutler's god damn thumb will still be broken %&##$% it. Christmas has gotten way out of hand. I can remember when kids got a few presents, the parents maybe gave each other one modest gift, and the point of it was to be (and bicker) with family. Now it's all about buying stuff. Sure, buying local is better, but it's still a huge societal pressure that (for me anyway) makes no sense. Hell, I buy people things all year long. Who says I have to do it on one given day?

Furious!
 
2011-11-26 05:47:13 AM  
Okay, here is a idea that can please both sides.

Let lindenlabs create a "second life" macy's, walmart, target, zellers, etc... and let them open the store 2 days before black friday so you can queue. Now all the retailers that sign up can let "virtual queues" form 48 hours before thier stores open. Now the fun part: if you sign up you must be willing to be relocated to a random part of the city and must find your way to the retailer to join the queue.

When the "Black friday" deal starts, you control your avatar from the queue and battle to get inside a virtual model of your local (Insert big box store here) looking for the deals you want.

No one dies, no one gets shot, and everyone can enjoy turkey day and shop from the comfort of thier own home surrounded by family cheering them on to find that 42" LCD while trampling other shoppers.

Also add controls like blocking, strongarming, etc to add to the realism!
 
2011-11-26 06:00:15 AM  

Mike_LowELL: So we're just going to keep pushing back Black Friday sales until we're sitting outside Wal-Mart in the beginning of October?


You've heard of the term Christmas in July. it will no longer refer to having a Christmas themed party in July. Instead it will refer to the beginning of the Christmas shopping season.
 
2011-11-26 06:01:52 AM  

LDM90: Retail worker here. Fark you America. Yes, I was given holiday pay. No, I did not have a choice whether or not to take it. Thanksgiving from here on is just a memory. I know, I should be more bootstrappy and get a different KIND of crappy job. Extra pay does not make up for missing a holiday. Did I mention fark you America?


You'll appreciate my new Move Thanksgiving To Friday And Screw The Stores plan.
 
2011-11-26 06:02:58 AM  

Teknowaffle: gadian: watching star trek reruns if anyone needs me.

TOS, TNG, DS9 or Voyager?

Inquiring minds want to know.


Right now we're on season 5 of DS9. Just finished the episode where Odo tries to raise the Changeling baby.
 
2011-11-26 06:04:16 AM  

RCraig: What I wonder about is how many young kids are left at home alone asleep while the greedy parents go out at midnight to spend money. Family values are going to crap and it is caused by what???


Television, the drug of a nation... breeding ignorance and feeding radiation
 
2011-11-26 06:10:59 AM  

stirfrybry: RCraig: What I wonder about is how many young kids are left at home alone asleep while the greedy parents go out at midnight to spend money. Family values are going to crap and it is caused by what???

Television,mass media the drug of a nation... breeding ignorance and feeding radiation


ftfy
 
2011-11-26 06:12:28 AM  

gunther_bumpass: Pilikia: gunther_bumpass: You know... you don't actually have to rush out and buy stuff. Oh, but I guess it's tradition. Just like 'celebratory gunfire' in the middle east, or 'marrying a twelve-year-old' in India. Carry on, then. Carry on.

No farking doubt. All of our gifts are already purchased and I did my best to shop hyperlocal for christmas for my family.

My wife's getting a new front door for our house carved by a guy who lives two blocks from us. Beautiful work, styled and painted to match our Cape Cod. She's also getting antique diamond Eve Alfille diamond earrings from an antique shop one town over.

My oldest daughter is getting a "gift certificate" for auto repairs at a shop owned by one of her friend's father.

My son is getting a year of lessons from the Gracie Jiu Jitsu school uptown.

My middle child is getting a shopping spree at the locally owned sports and bike shop also uptown. You cant go all the way local - there's an iPod touch and iPad2 in the mix - but you can avoid bullshiat like black friday altogether and put a dent in the multinational conglomorate machine at he same time by being creative and purchasing local goods and services

That's actually really nice, the local thing and all, but my point was that you don't have to buy anything at all. Your family will still love you, the sun will still rise, and Jay Cutler's god damn thumb will still be broken %&##$% it. Christmas has gotten way out of hand. I can remember when kids got a few presents, the parents maybe gave each other one modest gift, and the point of it was to be (and bicker) with family. Now it's all about buying stuff. Sure, buying local is better, but it's still a huge societal pressure that (for me anyway) makes no sense. Hell, I buy people things all year long. Who says I have to do it on one given day?

Furious!


You make a good point there. I just figure we live in a deeply entreched capitalist republic, a cultural context that has mores all its own. I like Christmas and I get a rush from "the buying season," so with that addiction in mind I choose to consume as much as possibe in a way that doesn't feed multinational corporations.
 
2011-11-26 06:16:51 AM  

sendtodave: LDM90: Retail worker here. Fark you America. Yes, I was given holiday pay. No, I did not have a choice whether or not to take it. Thanksgiving from here on is just a memory. I know, I should be more bootstrappy and get a different KIND of crappy job. Extra pay does not make up for missing a holiday. Did I mention fark you America?

Are you unhappy with the contract between you and your employer? Do you feel that you are being exploited?

You have the power to terminate that contract!

Yay capitalism!


prayidontalterthedealanyfurther.jpg

This it's apparently a valid response now to people who want to have one farking day off with their friends and families, like generations of Americans before them.

For what? Cheap stuff made in China.
 
2011-11-26 06:38:25 AM  

Siskabush: Okay, here is a idea that can please both sides.

Let lindenlabs create a "second life" macy's, walmart, target, zellers, etc... and let them open the store 2 days before black friday so you can queue. Now all the retailers that sign up can let "virtual queues" form 48 hours before thier stores open. Now the fun part: if you sign up you must be willing to be relocated to a random part of the city and must find your way to the retailer to join the queue.

When the "Black friday" deal starts, you control your avatar from the queue and battle to get inside a virtual model of your local (Insert big box store here) looking for the deals you want.

No one dies, no one gets shot, and everyone can enjoy turkey day and shop from the comfort of thier own home surrounded by family cheering them on to find that 42" LCD while trampling other shoppers.

Also add controls like blocking, strongarming, etc to add to the realism!


familymanssecrethq.files.wordpress.com

/aside: why the hell does the toolbar pre-fill-in "http://" in the img tag?
 
2011-11-26 06:47:44 AM  
It's not when you shop it's why you fell compelled to shop in the first place.

Don't get me wrong - I love Christmas. Baking cookies, decorating the tree, being with family. But why does just the holiday have to revolve around giving and getting stuff? The Destilleto family stopped buying Christmas gifts a few years ago. We reserve the gluttony for birthdays.
 
2011-11-26 06:47:53 AM  

sendtodave: LDM90: Retail worker here. Fark you America. Yes, I was given holiday pay. No, I did not have a choice whether or not to take it. Thanksgiving from here on is just a memory. I know, I should be more bootstrappy and get a different KIND of crappy job. Extra pay does not make up for missing a holiday. Did I mention fark you America?

Are you unhappy with the contract between you and your employer? Do you feel that you are being exploited?

You have the power to terminate that contract!

Yay capitalism!


Oh no, I don't have a problem with my employer. None of my bosses or their bosses want to deal with this crap either. My problem is with the swine who show up to feed at the trough. Any tips on "terminating my contract" with them would be much appreciated. Move to Sweden?
 
2011-11-26 06:55:38 AM  
Grrr bunch of stupid idiot consumer sheep. I'm going to turn on some Fight Club and dream of a world without people who want to buy stuff at crazy hours of the night.

Subvert the dominant paradigm!
 
2011-11-26 07:25:56 AM  
Why people don't buy absolutely everything on Amazon and get it shipped right to their house, I'll never know.
 
2011-11-26 07:26:01 AM  
Since most of my family members are unemployed, we are not buying anything this holiday season. We will have a grand time spending time together playing cards, games etc. (tradition anyways) thats the point of the holidays in the first place. I think it's going to be the most relaxing holiday season that I can remember and look forwards to it.
 
2011-11-26 07:28:10 AM  
Crass consumerism...the real American national religion. Well, that and the NFL.
 
2011-11-26 07:30:12 AM  

unyon: FirstNationalBastard: I made a quick trip out around 4:30 AM, just to see if there were any copies of Batman:Arkham City left.

The midnight rush was over, the 7 AM rush hadn't yet began, and the stores were no busier than a normal day. Everything was fine.

/wouldn't have joined the ravenous hordes at midnight if you had paid me.

O heavens no, that would be ludicrous. But apparently, shopping for video games at 4:30am makes perfect sense.


you sound old.
 
2011-11-26 07:45:46 AM  
I blame it on video game and movie release trends.
 
2011-11-26 07:48:30 AM  
I always enjoy reading about the walmart fights. The pepper-spraying incident was an especially sweet touch this year.
 
2011-11-26 07:49:25 AM  
HammerHeadSnark 2011-11-26 04:22:13 AM
ksdanj: HammerHeadSnark: I'm thinkin' it won't be too awful long before we have "Black November" eventually leading to "Black October," etc., until the entire calendar year becomes black and bleak.

That comment seems racist, but I'm not sure.

Can I get a ruling over here?

Hey! I didn't start all this "black" stuff. It was somebody else. It was the guy who first said I'd get a "black mark" for chewing gum in line and later called me "black hearted" for breaking up with my girlfriend of two years by texting. He was also the guy who called my neighbor a "black" Smith. Well, he was slightly darker in a dermatological sense and he did sometimes shoe horses, so I guess that was okay, although guys like that are usually called "farriers."


Gonna go with "not racist". And that's rare for me on FARK. Ask Drew.

/case dismissed
//pounds gavel
 
2011-11-26 08:12:45 AM  

VvonderJesus: I went to Target and, despite quite a long line to get in, getting out took less than 10 minutes. They had their shiat together. The woefully unprepared Best Buy across the street, however, had lines extending around the entire store from midnight to at least 3 A.M.

Black Friday is a terrible day to shop. However, I will say that meeting new people while waiting in line is one of the nicer aspects. Bring a group of friends and it makes for a fun night out.


Cue the Ricky Lee Jones picture.
 
2011-11-26 08:19:04 AM  
You know, I feel this is a pretty stupid thing to be upset about, in the grand scheme of things.

Hear me out.

I've worked most holidays in the past, except for at my current job where they will not allow you to work on said Holidays; but they don't give you Holiday pay they just make your PTO/Vacation account accrue faster than normal and give you money from that account. At any rate; while it is nice to have time off it is weird to count a day as "sacred" to an entire country and say "well pretty much no one should have to work." shiat, stuff has to get done. But that's not my point I'm getting to that.

If we collectively decide that holidays are stupidly important to us and make compromises in order to keep them sacred, the people that own our stupid asses say "well you have the holidays off" and then proceed to trample all over us the rest of the year.

The people crying about coming in on Thanksgiving- I wager your boss also makes you work six or seven day work weeks during other big projects or any time someone else calls in sick. I wager they also ask you to work off the clock or call you in on your day off. I wager that if you quit your last paycheck is going to be short. I bet you get paid just enough money to keep you coming in but not enough money to actually make it any where in life or to hire a lawyer to correct any wrongs.

My point is; why piss and moan about this particular thing, an arbitrary week day off, versus all the other complete shiat that the people who own us make us do?
 
2011-11-26 08:25:13 AM  

b04155: I blame it on video game and movie release trends.


I think they're feeding each other. Video game and movies are released because of increased holiday sales figures, which in turn causes more publishers to want to make more money, so they release more games closer to the holiday season, so they can get more sales, so the publishers want to make more money, etc...
 
2011-11-26 08:29:28 AM  
The thing that amuses me is that (obliviously) the common idiot does not stop and think about the fact that some of the "ZOMFG DOOR BUSTERZ" deals are planned months in advance...manufacturers and retailers get together to sell cheep products that look similar to the higher end models, but are very much so stripped down.

You think that off brand 42" flat screen tv that you are buying for $199 really has the same performance and features as a 42" Panasonic, Sharp or Samsung? Features have been stripped down to the max...no built in WiFi, comes with only one HDMI port, no widgets that make higher end tvs so much better (Netflix, VUDU, Pandora, etc). You think they carry the same warranties and levels of customer service? You get what you pay for.
 
2011-11-26 08:46:05 AM  
Don't like it, don't go. I dont, and I reallydont see why it bothers anyone. Though if I were going to fight the hordes, midnight sounds much better than 4am.

Also amusing, half the people biatching on here probably camped out for Star Wars.
 
2011-11-26 08:51:36 AM  
"If you liked starting your Black Friday at midnight, the retailers did too and plan on continuing it. Thanks, America"

Let's hear it! "USA! USA! USA!"

Err, I mean "Chi-nese crap! Chi-nese crap! Chi-nese crap!"
 
2011-11-26 08:52:31 AM  

NEDM: FirstNationalBastard: What's preventing them from spending time with family on the days they already have off? Do they need another "special" day off just for that?

And also, if you've ever worked retail, you know damn well that holidays are the busiest time, and a time you'll probably be required to work over. But it isn't like they're working it for free. If you can't handle the November and December period, which is the busiest time of the year and has been for ages, maybe you shouldn't be working retail.

So a Federal holiday is a "special" day off now?

And yes, I know that the Christmas season is the busiest retail time of the year. However, you should not be forced to give up (again for emphasis) a Federal Holiday just because you have a retail job.


Wow. You have no clue do you? A federal holiday does not mean jack shiat, except that if you work for the government, you get it off. Other than that, employers are under no obligation to give you the day off. Or to give you the day off with pay.
 
2011-11-26 08:53:02 AM  
A major benefit is that it gives shoppers more choices.

"I did Black Friday at Target (in a prior year), I stood in line from 12:30 to 6 o'clock in the morning. I don't have to do it this year," said Desiree Schoolfield...


Holy crap people are stupid.
 
2011-11-26 08:54:47 AM  

skoobx: NEDM: FirstNationalBastard: What's preventing them from spending time with family on the days they already have off? Do they need another "special" day off just for that?

And also, if you've ever worked retail, you know damn well that holidays are the busiest time, and a time you'll probably be required to work over. But it isn't like they're working it for free. If you can't handle the November and December period, which is the busiest time of the year and has been for ages, maybe you shouldn't be working retail.

So a Federal holiday is a "special" day off now?

And yes, I know that the Christmas season is the busiest retail time of the year. However, you should not be forced to give up (again for emphasis) a Federal Holiday just because you have a retail job.

Wow. You have no clue do you? A federal holiday does not mean jack shiat, except that if you work for the government, you get it off. Other than that, employers are under no obligation to give you the day off. Or to give you the day off with pay.


No shiat. I have a good, non-retail job, and don't get all federal holidays off.
 
2011-11-26 08:54:58 AM  
Damn! I was going to show a comparison, picture one of crazy Black Friday shoppers, the next picture of escaped "looney bin" patients from the movie Strange Brew. Couldn't locate the latter.
 
2011-11-26 09:22:56 AM  
I went with my Mom for a couple years. We'd get to Kohls around 545 and I'd be home by 7ish, not so bad. We'd just immediately get in the check-out line and then take turns looking around. It was mostly calm there; however, some old biatch tried to grab stuff from our cart and another lady tried to take a new Dyson from my Mom, who the fark does that? I'm glad I was there to stop both of those twunts. Interesting that saving a few bucks can turn people into such morons.
 
2011-11-26 09:24:38 AM  
Someone needs to reanimate Dickens.
 
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