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2011-11-25 07:18:23 PM  
Build up the "threat" now so the response looks "reasonable."
 
2011-11-25 07:21:10 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Build up the "threat" now so the response looks "reasonable."


^^^THIS.
 
2011-11-25 07:22:52 PM  
And the moment a protester sneezes it will be "OH GOD ANARCHISTS! QUICK PEPPER SPRAY AND TEARGAS GO GO GO GO GO OH GOD THEY ARE SCREAMING! START SHOOTING PEOPLE NOW YOU FOOLS!"
 
2011-11-25 07:23:16 PM  
Anarchists will likely disguise themselves as lawful demonstrators.

So can't you be too careful! Pepper spray the whole lot just to be sure! You're sure to bag at least a couple anarchists!
 
2011-11-25 07:24:25 PM  
Anarchists really have no valid interest at a national political event.
 
2011-11-25 07:24:49 PM  
That article seemed designed to wind old people up into a spittle-flying frenzy. "Peaceful protestors! Bah, they fill their water guns with human urine, throw bricks at police officers and families with babies, then they dash behind a building so they can come running out with their peace signs. Peaceful my a$$."

Just in time for christmas and we won't even feel comfortable saying "Shut-up and go back to your rum grandpa." because of the disrespectful example it might set for the kids.
 
2011-11-25 07:26:45 PM  
Extreme right-wingers are pretty much anarchists: No Rules, No Regulation, Human Nature, jada, jada etc....
So it should not be any threat from them IMHO.
 
2011-11-25 07:30:04 PM  
The arrival of the RNC should stimulate Tampa's stripper, hooker and dominatrix industry.
 
2011-11-25 07:30:50 PM  
Read that as "Anti-Christ Invasion," which would be far more entertaining, not to mention appropriate.
 
2011-11-25 07:31:44 PM  
Norman Gates laughs.
 
2011-11-25 07:32:02 PM  
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2011-11-25 07:32:27 PM  

Lackofname: The arrival of the RNC should stimulate Tampa's stripper, hooker and dominatrix industry.


Dude it's gonna be like the Super Bowl at the Mons Venus. And if you see any Guy Fawkes masks at the gay clubs, it's not the anarchists that'll be hiding their faces, that's for sure.
 
2011-11-25 07:32:38 PM  
The Objectivists are coming?
 
2011-11-25 07:33:16 PM  
Awesome. Now Tampa taxpayers can pay for all kinds of Orwellian cameras/surveillance stuff and some neat Darth Vadar looking gizmos for their cops. They'll be assured that it's all temporary but of course it will all be there for years and years to come.
 
2011-11-25 07:34:50 PM  
"Anarchists will likely disguise themselves as lawful demonstrators."

how do you know they aren't just lawful demonstrators?

"They'll assault law enforcement officers,"

By assault do you mean they may bump into them while getting beaten into critical condition?

"And they'll attack businesses that represent capitalism.''

OH GOD NO THESE PEOPLE ARE AFTER CAPITALISM, GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER

targeted arrests will be necessary

odd, I thought you just arrested people that broke the law. What else could you possibly be targeting?

"And being prepared for the unknown," she said. "You just don't know what's going to happen."

I'm no Miss Cleo, but I'll go out on a limb and guess that at least one officer will get a shiat eating grin while assaulting and arresting a peaceful citizen for nothing other than resisting arrest (resisting arrest for what, you say? that's the joke!)

In St. Paul, law enforcement started planning months in advance. They held about 200 community meetings and infiltrated an anarchist group.

Their investigation led them to three Minneapolis homes, where they seized bombs, machetes, fireworks, knives, slingshots and marbles.


Really? REALLY? You found bombs? Why am I suspicious? I think if you had found bombs that might have made the news.

Just because someone is taken into custody doesn't mean they'll be charged, he said. Once they're with law enforcement, police supervisors and attorneys will examine the facts.

Hamlin said he couldn't say if this will happen at the jail or at temporary stations set up downtown.

"We don't want to give away secrets," he said. "But prosecutors and legal advisers will be embedded to the point where they will be weighing in on all the arrests."


So your arresting people without charging them and running downtown camps where a group of experts will help you trump up some charges that might stick. and apparently the public doesn't need to know about where or what these camps are.

And you call the kids throwing paint and firecrackers a threat to society?

I'm trying to be as reasonable and fair as I possibly can be with my below comment. And I say it with full knowledge that there are good responsible police officers out there (who apparently have no influence on the rest of them)


fark the police.


the rhetoric and seething prejudgement in this article is sickening. When I was a teenager reading about fictional dystopian societies... I never thought I'd actually get to live in one.
 
2011-11-25 07:35:05 PM  

cleveoh: Read that as "Anti-Christ Invasion," which would be far more entertaining, not to mention appropriate.


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i.usatoday.net
 
2011-11-25 07:41:58 PM  

Yakk: The Objectivists are coming?


Don't compare libertarians and Objectivists to anarchists. They're the biggest authoritarians around; they want a government that is specifically and only empowered to use the organs of state violence to act as an enforcement wing for the aristocracy.
 
2011-11-25 07:42:17 PM  
Just throw a crossword puzzle at them. They will be rendered helpless for years.
 
2011-11-25 07:44:16 PM  

MurphyMurphy: fark the police.


I live in Tampa, and I have a fair number of cops living in my neighborhood. We often go to the same social functions, BBQ's, kids birthday parties, block parties etc, where we all hang out and I pretend to be their friend.

I'm now convinced that that Thug Cob is the norm, and the good, decent hardworking cop is the exception. These guys just love to talk about the "kid they chased and roughed up last night", about the guy who's face they slammed against the hood of their car, and on and on...

It's a profession that attracts goons, thugs, and douchebags who get a high off of asserting their power.
 
2011-11-25 07:48:11 PM  

Pharque-it: Extreme right-wingers are pretty much anarchists: No Rules, No Regulation, Human Nature, jada, jada etc....
So it should not be any threat from them IMHO.


Pretty much. It's a very fine line that separates Libertarianism from Anarchism.
 
2011-11-25 07:50:15 PM  
Every hooker in the state is planning to visit Tampa next summer. I wonder if they'll get pepper sprayed too.
 
2011-11-25 07:57:40 PM  
FTA: They'll use water guns to spray urine at police. If I were a anarchist I would upgrade capsaicin extract. After all its "A Food Product, Essentially"
 
2011-11-25 07:59:21 PM  
Better go ahead and declare martial law and lock down the city now, just to be safe.
 
2011-11-25 07:59:33 PM  

Bucky Katt: Every hooker in the state is planning to visit Tampa next summer. I wonder if they'll get pepper sprayed too.


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COME AT ME BRO
 
2011-11-25 08:03:49 PM  
In St. Paul, authorities found an anarchist command center downtown with state-of-the-art communications equipment.

...smart phones?

"And they'll attack businesses that represent capitalism.''

Can I have a list of the businesses that don't represent capitalism? Or does he mean businesses like banks?
 
2011-11-25 08:07:58 PM  
It took me a moment to realize the anarchists they referred to were the black bloc types, not the RNC.
 
2011-11-25 08:08:19 PM  

Confabulat: Anarchists will likely disguise themselves as lawful demonstrators.


This is hilarious.
So did I miss the part where anarchists lost their first amendment rights?
Tea Party members will likely disguise themselves as lawful demonstrators, let's arrest and beat all of them.
 
2011-11-25 08:11:11 PM  

JimmyFartpants: MurphyMurphy: fark the police.

I live in Tampa, and I have a fair number of cops living in my neighborhood. We often go to the same social functions, BBQ's, kids birthday parties, block parties etc, where we all hang out and I pretend to be their friend.

I'm now convinced that that Thug Cob is the norm, and the good, decent hardworking cop is the exception. These guys just love to talk about the "kid they chased and roughed up last night", about the guy who's face they slammed against the hood of their car, and on and on...

It's a profession that attracts goons, thugs, and douchebags who get a high off of asserting their power.


I understand. The best friend I have in this world, whom I've known since i was 13 and used to run around getting in all kinds of trouble with, is now a grown man with family and is a law enforcement officer.

The problem seems to be, not figuring out if the rotten ones are the majority or the minority. The problem seems to be when the chips are down and it really counts, the rotten ones are always given the benefit of the doubt (shiat, not even that, the system looks the other way as much as possible)

Did you see how many other cops were at that university when that fat fascist fark just calmly walked up and down the row pepperspraying peaceful taxpayers?

Reminds me of the often used quote "all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Until the good cops and the good elements of the system start weeding out, arresting and prosecuting these fascists, they are all culpable.

And my friend? Do I think he'd put his career on the line to stop a colleague from stepping over the line? Probably not. He has a family to feed..... so this is something that needs to be legislated. Whistleblowers need to be protected. No more giving anyone the benefit of the doubt, leaning on the word of an officer, justice is supposed to be blind! The evidence should always speak.

We need to eliminate this 'protect your fellow members of the brotherhood fraternity at all costs' bullshiat and replace it with that 'never execute an illegal order' and 'relieve anyone unfit for duty' like most honorable soldiers understand well.
 
2011-11-25 08:11:16 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: They're the biggest authoritarians around; they want a government that is specifically and only empowered to use the organs of state violence to act as an enforcement wing for the aristocracy.


This.
Private property can not exist without some form of state.
There is no such thing as anarcho-capitalism. It's a contradiction in terms. "Libertarians" are anything but the original use of the term.
 
2011-11-25 08:11:19 PM  
Did the subby see the last Republican convention? The area outside the arena turned into the typical cesspool zoo that always happens when liberals congregate to "protest". Of course the Tampa Bay police department needs to prepare; the likelihood of felonies (including violent felonies) occurring by liberals is at 100%. A sad indictment on an entire political ideology, but a reality none-the-less.
 
2011-11-25 08:12:21 PM  

fusillade762: Pretty much. It's a very fine line that separates Libertarianism from Anarchism.


The two originally meant the same thing, but now "libertarian socialist/communist" gets a "but hurrr that's a contradiction" response.
 
2011-11-25 08:23:29 PM  

m2313: fusillade762: Pretty much. It's a very fine line that separates Libertarianism from Anarchism.

The two originally meant the same thing, but now "libertarian socialist/communist" gets a "but hurrr that's a contradiction" response.


So what exactly do socialism and communism have to do with anarchism?

And you're complaining about people using terms incorrectly?
 
2011-11-25 08:25:48 PM  

Sid_6.7: So what exactly do socialism and communism have to do with anarchism?

And you're complaining about people using terms incorrectly?


Socialism and communism are forms of economy compatible with anarchism. Anarchism is generally "no-state" socialism/collectivism/communism. There's also individualist anarchism which consists of owning your own means of production.
There's a reason the flag is red and black.
Socialism and communism don't necessitate a state, and in fact, can't really be successful with one. The Soviet Union was just one large capitalist workplace with the state as the boss. Same as every other "communist" country. It's state capitalism essentially.
 
2011-11-25 08:27:14 PM  

Sid_6.7: m2313: fusillade762: Pretty much. It's a very fine line that separates Libertarianism from Anarchism.

The two originally meant the same thing, but now "libertarian socialist/communist" gets a "but hurrr that's a contradiction" response.

So what exactly do socialism and communism have to do with anarchism?

And you're complaining about people using terms incorrectly?


www.famouswhy.com
every anarchist is a socialist but not every socialist is necessarily an anarchist
 
2011-11-25 08:27:46 PM  
Anarchists will likely disguise themselves as lawful demonstrators primary candidates.

/FTFY
 
2011-11-25 08:27:47 PM  
Authorities are preparing for hundreds of well-organized law breakers

at least they have organization.
 
2011-11-25 08:43:36 PM  
Okay boys, let's crack some skulls.
 
2011-11-25 09:13:55 PM  

m2313: fusillade762: Pretty much. It's a very fine line that separates Libertarianism from Anarchism.

The two originally meant the same thing, but now "libertarian socialist/communist" gets a "but hurrr that's a contradiction" response.


I told you, we're an anarcho-syndicalist commune.

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2011-11-25 09:27:43 PM  
Love the coments guys.. Let's hate the police even before they might do something. Given both the DNC in Denver and the RNC in Minneapolis had anarchist breaking shiat and burning things, do you not think it would be a good idea to train for such a possiblility?
 
2011-11-25 09:31:49 PM  

m2313: Confabulat: Anarchists will likely disguise themselves as lawful demonstrators.

So did I miss the part where anarchists lost their first amendment rights?


I think some people are trying to conflate anarchists with terrorists. As we learned from the last GOP debate terrorists don't deserve any civil liberties (they failed to address the issue of distinguishing between real terrorists and people that might possibly be terrorists - but it doesn't matter if some innocent Muslims get punished for terrorism because that is just collateral damage for people who refuse to denounce Islam).

So a theme will be anarchist don't have civil rights (because they are terrorists) and it is better to be safe if there is any question as to whether a protestor is an anarchist.
 
2011-11-25 09:36:52 PM  
So the conservative anger is just being raw from constantly pissing yourself in fear?
 
2011-11-25 09:48:12 PM  

jpo2269: Love the coments guys.. Let's hate the police even before they might do something. Given both the DNC in Denver and the RNC in Minneapolis had anarchist breaking shiat and burning things, do you not think it would be a good idea to train for such a possiblility?


yeah, you train for everything. doesn't mean you make your press release

"shiat is going to go down,

we aren't even going to try and make this a peaceful event. I'm already convinced we'll be targeting individuals and putting them down

It will be a contest to see how many people we can label as undesirable, arrest them, and have special legal professionals secretly charging them at an undisclosed location"

Any professional is already trained and will be prepared for anything. That's the job.

That doesn't even come close to explaining or excusing Tampa's assistant police chief's comments here.
 
2011-11-25 09:53:17 PM  

SunsetLament: Did the subby see the last Republican convention? The area outside the arena turned into the typical cesspool zoo that always happens when liberals congregate to "protest". Of course the Tampa Bay police department needs to prepare; the likelihood of felonies (including violent felonies) occurring by liberals is at 100%. A sad indictment on an entire political ideology, but a reality none-the-less.


While I assume this is a silly troll from one of our more clever TotalFarkers under an alt, I ACTUALLY KNOW GROWN ADULTS WHO THINK LIKE THIS. Many of them went to the same high school and attended the same classes at me, which is really upsetting.

It confuses me. How did their lives go so wrong? Did I distract them too often in history and civics classes with my drunken high school antics? Am I to blame in some way? What happened to these people?

Sigh
 
2011-11-25 09:56:36 PM  
Oh Yea, Me love to sees some Anarchists kicking the shiat out of them domestic terrorists(republicans).

/Whatttttt??? If I learned anything from Bush jr., is that domestic terrorists(republicans) need to be captured and taken to Gitmo to get their face washed 5 times a day.
//Caution: Too much face washing may cause death.
 
2011-11-25 11:19:46 PM  
FTA: ...spray urine at police.

Urine is only a food by-product. So who cares?
 
2011-11-25 11:37:56 PM  
FTFA: They'll use water guns to spray urine at police.

i.imgur.com

Planning to attend.
 
2011-11-25 11:41:10 PM  
Wow. There is not a single quote or source referenced in TFA from anyone except official law enforcement. Its like the author and editor aren't even trying to phone it in, much less write an actual piece of journalism.
 
2011-11-25 11:46:42 PM  
I love fake anarchists. They're so much fun.

These people are not anarchists but for all the screaming some people do about "fascists" if you'd like to see how actual honest to goodness fascists behave before they get in to power you need look no further than your local "anarchist" groups.
 
2011-11-25 11:57:48 PM  

randomjsa: I love fake anarchists. They're so much fun.

These people are not anarchists but for all the screaming some people do about "fascists" if you'd like to see how actual honest to goodness fascists behave before they get in to power you need look no further than your local "anarchist" groups.


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randomjsa has spoken
 
2011-11-26 12:40:10 AM  
Hot off the Internet Press:
The G20 Conspiracy Case: The Inside Story, the CrimethInc. report and analysis of poice infiltration and disruption of groups protesting the G20 in Canada last year.

"Here are some of the things that the G20 Main Conspiracy case is a precedent for:
-Investigations against activists beginning several years before the target event.
-Dozens of infiltrators used against every part of a social movement.
-Using conspiracy charges to cast a wide net over many activists while naming ringleaders from among them.
-Conspiracy to commit an inchoate (not specific) offense - the defendants here are not accused of planning specific acts themselves, but rather of planning to disrupt the summit and create chaos in downtown Toronto. This gives the crown a lot of flexibility and options as to how they make their case."

The techniques used against G20 protesters by the Canadian government are essentially identical to those used by American police and government agents.

The only kind of dissent that's tolerated is that which can either be coopted or ignored.
 
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