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(Telegraph)   "Practising yoga is Satanic, it leads to evil just like reading Harry Potter"   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 183
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2011-11-26 12:38:24 AM  

Jynxed: MannaxOne: [hotgiyp.com image 640x899]

You are all slipping. Emma Watson in Yoga Pants.
Now if I could just find a rear view.

I raise you...

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 480x700]

/Hot like the fires of damnation!


Well, I for one could be considered raised.
 
2011-11-26 12:52:00 AM  
I've never understood why these people think that others will wholeheartedly believe in stupid shiat as easily as they do. It. boggles my mind.
 
2011-11-26 12:52:59 AM  
Hunh, funny. Heard this meme a decade or so ago from my batshiat-crazy grandma.

/The same biatch who tried to blame me and mine for her son's heart attack...
//Says something that it's the scum of the Earth who spout this shiat, doesn't it?
 
2011-11-26 12:57:17 AM  
Wouldn't the belief in SATAN be, in itself, satanic?
 
2011-11-26 01:07:10 AM  

Daraymann: Wouldn't the belief in SATAN be, in itself, satanic?


When I was in high school, we had these jerkwads invited in to tell us about how evil D&D was. Of course at this time, I was an avid D&D player. This guy started spouting off about how D&D spells and witchcraft were real, and how it was leading us down the path to damnation. I raised my hand, told the guy that my friends and I were avid D&D players, and how we understood it was just fantasy and for fun, and the interior mechanics were about as enjoyable as double-entry bookkeping, that there were no real spells or magic, and if anyone had a problem with reality, it was this guy. He insisted that it was all real. and that we were just being duped by Satan. I rolled my eyes and rolled on.
 
2011-11-26 01:09:16 AM  
The funny thing is, the Catholics put Satan and Hell into the Bible. Neither were in the scriptures until the Catholic Church needed a way to scare up more converts, so they put a face to the random evil and a place for the wicked and non-Catholics to be burned for eternity.
 
2011-11-26 01:10:00 AM  

MeanJean: Its my understanding that yoga (that is, hatha yoga, which refers to the physical exercises) started out as simply a way to purify the body in preparation for the spiritual stuff (such as meditation).

Nothing religious about if you're just doing the exercises tho...


Oddly, that was my reading of the POPE's "warning" as well. He never said "yoga is evil" as this strange priest seems to think, his document was warning believers that it was possible for yoga to BECOME evil by becoming "confused" with Catholic dogma. He never said not to practice yoga.

I guess too many years of having Satan and his minions show him his dead mother in hell has rotted this poor fellow's mind, and made him think everyone is already possessed.
 
2011-11-26 01:10:03 AM  

buckler: Daraymann: Wouldn't the belief in SATAN be, in itself, satanic?

When I was in high school, we had these jerkwads invited in to tell us about how evil D&D was. Of course at this time, I was an avid D&D player. This guy started spouting off about how D&D spells and witchcraft were real, and how it was leading us down the path to damnation. I raised my hand, told the guy that my friends and I were avid D&D players, and how we understood it was just fantasy and for fun, and the interior mechanics were about as enjoyable as double-entry bookkeping, that there were no real spells or magic, and if anyone had a problem with reality, it was this guy. He insisted that it was all real. and that we were just being duped by Satan. I rolled my eyes and rolled on.


As someone who loved D&D (and still like it online) I have to say...anybody who believes magic missiles are real needs to just farking kill themselves and nuzzle in the bosom of Jesus.
 
2011-11-26 01:13:25 AM  

buckler: When I was in high school, we had these jerkwads invited in to tell us about how evil D&D was. Of course at this time, I was an avid D&D player. This guy started spouting off about how D&D spells and witchcraft were real, and how it was leading us down the path to damnation. I raised my hand, told the guy that my friends and I were avid D&D players, and how we understood it was just fantasy and for fun, and the interior mechanics were about as enjoyable as double-entry bookkeping, that there were no real spells or magic, and if anyone had a problem with reality, it was this guy. He insisted that it was all real. and that we were just being duped by Satan. I rolled my eyes and rolled on.


Drat, now my story about how a substitute teacher took a book away from me that I was reading in class before declaring it 'satanic' seems so mundane...

Here's the book cover...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Dragons_of_Winter_Night _ cover.jpg
 
2011-11-26 01:14:22 AM  
Damn, random-libby is still around? Doesn't he get sick of not getting bites?
 
2011-11-26 01:22:06 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: What I'm not used to is hearing it from Roman Catholics rather than crazy neopentecostal/NAR Jesus Campers, though.


Right there with you on that one. My mom's church was one of those southern Baptist type sects that would have watched Jesus Camp and thought those people to be way too permissive and Satanic due to the idolotry around the standee thing of Bush and their use of pop music.

Among the things that are evil:
Harry Potter or any fantasy not written by CS Lewis.
Rock music, especially Christian rock music, as rock music is based "on rhythms used in voodoo rituals" and adding Jesusy lyrics is blashphemy.
D&D, Magic cards, etc. Basically, Wizards of the Coast is Satan's merchandising arm.
Yoga and any martial arts not so much because of regligious aspects specifically but because they involve meditation that doesn't include staring at a Bible and thinking for yourself (or trying to attain non-thought) is iniquity.
"Iniquity," which, unlike "sin," isn't action in opposition to God but it taking any action God didn't specifically tell you to do. Eating a ham sandwich when you prayed and God told you to have egg salad would be sin. Eating the egg salad God would have told you to have without praying for permission first is iniquity.

In my experience, most of the preachers who do Christian radio sermons follow this sort of ideology anywhere in the nation so it's not exactly radicalized snake handlers in the woods. Just not used to see it from "Papists."
 
2011-11-26 01:27:01 AM  

beerbaron: Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Matthew 7:5
But hey, that was only JESUS talking. Not somebody important like the Pope.


LOL!

I've been Netflixing the (kinda boring and poorly acted) Canal TV show "Borgia". Despite its faults it gives you a really good insight into the chicanery behind the Pope and the college of cardinals.

/Desperate to get laid? Join the priesthood!
 
2011-11-26 01:29:28 AM  

buckler: I've never understood why these people think that others will wholeheartedly believe in stupid shiat as easily as they do. It. boggles my mind.


www.caleblack.com
 
2011-11-26 01:33:14 AM  

CitizenTed: You know what else is Satanic, padre? Molesting children. In fact, on the sliding scale of Satanic Stuff, I'd say a yoga-ing Harry Potter fan is a wee bit less Satanic than a Catholic priest. OK? So take your judgmental dogmatic bullcrap and shove it right on up your tired old ass. Thanks.



Well said!
 
2011-11-26 01:36:29 AM  
I'm thinking the only reason this creep didn't freak out about Bewitched is because he wanted to fark Liz Montgomery.

Or was it Tabitha..
 
2011-11-26 01:39:02 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: I'm thinking the only reason this creep didn't freak out about Bewitched is because he wanted to fark Liz Montgomery.

Or was it Tabitha..


Seriously, it was the second Darrin.
 
2011-11-26 01:40:55 AM  

kent_eh: buckler: I've never understood why these people think that others will wholeheartedly believe in stupid shiat as easily as they do. It. boggles my mind.

[www.caleblack.com image 230x347]


One of the few I haven't gotten around to, and putting in a library reservation. Thanks for the reminder.
 
2011-11-26 01:41:32 AM  

DORMAMU: MannaxOne: [hotgiyp.com image 640x899]

You are all slipping. Emma Watson in Yoga Pants.
Now if I could just find a rear view.

[t2.gstatic.com image 225x225]


FARK YOU! My penis actually retreated into me in defense!
 
2011-11-26 01:45:38 AM  

Sabyen91: Seriously, it was the second Darrin.


I thought of that after I posted.

-Both Darrins were Dicks
 
2011-11-26 01:47:29 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: Sabyen91: Seriously, it was the second Darrin.

I thought of that after I posted.

-Both Darrins were Dicks


Well, they both liked dicks, that is for sure. Can you imagine what sick, twisted shiat you would do if you had a hot genie? I can.
 
2011-11-26 01:50:10 AM  

Sabyen91: Herb Utsmelz: Sabyen91: Seriously, it was the second Darrin.

I thought of that after I posted.

-Both Darrins were Dicks

Well, they both liked dicks, that is for sure. Can you imagine what sick, twisted shiat you would do if you had a hot genie? I can.


I know, right? both of them were pretty indistinguishable, but when you...wait, what?
 
2011-11-26 01:52:18 AM  

Sabyen91: Can you imagine what sick, twisted shiat you would do if you had a hot genie? I can.


I'm here to help. (NSFW)
 
2011-11-26 01:54:44 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: Sabyen91: Can you imagine what sick, twisted shiat you would do if you had a hot genie? I can.

I'm here to help. (NSFW)


Pre-fake tit era.
 
2011-11-26 02:06:05 AM  

milkyshirt: I just want to say thanks for introducing me to this artist. This is fantasic stuff.


She also has some illustrated kids books (grade 3+) that are suitable for amusingly warping small minds. Useful as Xmas presents this time of year....
 
2011-11-26 02:06:29 AM  
 
2011-11-26 02:06:33 AM  
One way to deal with such people is to use their own logic to say that something they like is evil
 
2011-11-26 02:07:26 AM  

Sabyen91: GentlemanJ: Yeah, well, D&D and LOTR turned me into an occultist. And this guy's favorite movie is "The Exorcist"? "I've seen "The Exorcist 157 times, and it just keeps getting funnier every single time I see it!"

I wonder if BXVI's criticism of yoga was more reasonable, since I expect he's nowhere near as demented as old Father Scaryeyes here. Maybe something like "Concentrating exclusively on the body can inhibit one's spiritual development"--something many yogis would agree with.

D&D made me want to have sex with Succubi. Take that as you will.


Negative energy protection for the win!
 
2011-11-26 02:11:41 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Sabyen91: GentlemanJ: Yeah, well, D&D and LOTR turned me into an occultist. And this guy's favorite movie is "The Exorcist"? "I've seen "The Exorcist 157 times, and it just keeps getting funnier every single time I see it!"

I wonder if BXVI's criticism of yoga was more reasonable, since I expect he's nowhere near as demented as old Father Scaryeyes here. Maybe something like "Concentrating exclusively on the body can inhibit one's spiritual development"--something many yogis would agree with.

D&D made me want to have sex with Succubi. Take that as you will.

Negative energy protection for the win!


The wizard that made negative energy protection condoms made a shiatload of gold.
 
2011-11-26 02:16:24 AM  
senile old fool
 
2011-11-26 02:17:04 AM  

kent_eh: buckler: I've never understood why these people think that others will wholeheartedly believe in stupid shiat as easily as they do. It. boggles my mind.

[www.caleblack.com image 230x347]


Also this:

2.bp.blogspot.com


buckler: Daraymann: Wouldn't the belief in SATAN be, in itself, satanic?

When I was in high school, we had these jerkwads invited in to tell us about how evil D&D was. Of course at this time, I was an avid D&D player. This guy started spouting off about how D&D spells and witchcraft were real, and how it was leading us down the path to damnation. I raised my hand, told the guy that my friends and I were avid D&D players, and how we understood it was just fantasy and for fun, and the interior mechanics were about as enjoyable as double-entry bookkeping, that there were no real spells or magic, and if anyone had a problem with reality, it was this guy. He insisted that it was all real. and that we were just being duped by Satan. I rolled my eyes and rolled on.


No dude, it's true! Also, this is non-fiction:

www.chernobogslair.com
 
2011-11-26 02:21:04 AM  
LordOfThePings 2011-11-25 11:21:58 PM

[dog.jpg]

Dude, your dog is broken.
 
2011-11-26 02:21:42 AM  
...says a bunch of child rapists who withhold food to starving people in third-world countries until they do exactly what they're told, support the deaths of women if it means a dying fetus would also be terminated, and who tell countries with the highest incidence of HIV/AIDS that condoms are ineffective at preventing transmission.

Yay moral high ground!
 
2011-11-26 02:24:02 AM  

Kome: ...says a bunch of child rapists who withhold food to starving people in third-world countries until they do exactly what they're told, support the deaths of women if it means a dying fetus would also be terminated, and who tell countries with the highest incidence of HIV/AIDS that condoms are ineffective at preventing transmission.

Yay moral high ground!


But enough about Asmodeus.
 
2011-11-26 02:29:51 AM  
Satanic Yoga Video (new window)
 
2011-11-26 02:30:27 AM  
I've actually read his books (2 last count published) on exorcism. The first was an interesting read. The second seemed less interesting. The stories in the first book were very interesting and had some accounts which were similar to things I have experienced.

The problem is that the priest is disconnected to the life of secular people. The Catholic church has a number of rites that I find very interesting and, actually, because of their long standing longevity, good for a spiritual argument in favor of the authority of Catholicism. Where it goes left for me is when he starts talking about rock n' roll and hogwarts.

If you want a real good read on exorcism, read "Hostage to the Devil" by Malachi Martin. There's quite a deal of controversy over his book, but the accounts were the most chilling and similar to things I have actually experienced.
 
2011-11-26 02:33:13 AM  

FarkingStan: The stories in the first book were very interesting and had some accounts which were similar to things I have experienced.


You have experienced exorcism...in the 21st century?
 
2011-11-26 02:36:45 AM  

Kome: Satanic Yoga Video (new window)


Uh oh. Naughty thoughts.
 
2011-11-26 02:38:57 AM  

Notabunny: Kome: Satanic Yoga Video (new window)

Uh oh. Naughty thoughts.


That is anal-floss you can believe in.
 
2011-11-26 02:40:29 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: The Harry Potter books, which have sold millions of copies worldwide, "seem innocuous" but in fact encourage children to believe in black magic and wizardry, Father Amorth said.

Sorry bud, but people are able to determine which things are real and which are fictitious and fantasy, like magic wizards and god


In an attempt at snark, you provided a counterexample to your own point.
 
2011-11-26 02:40:57 AM  
Ok, so trolling aside, what do you think makes people susceptible to censoring these things from reality. In an honest, objective way, why do we think Harry Potter threatens our souls from Amorath's point of view?

Because if we want to really understand this argument we need to try and understand it from his perspective. In one of his books, I think the second one, he talks about how the rhythm of music in pop culture encourages sex, and implies the rhythm of sex...

What is inherently evil about sex, or the rhythm of music which suggests this? The roots trace back to Aquinus or Agustous. It's late and I forget which A I'm talking about. But essentially it was an aesthetic belief that the flesh itself was somehow evil, which there is little evidence of in the Bible. Some passages about Flesh being weak, but not suggestive, I think, to the large theophilosophy A encouraged as an aesthetic.

Still, there's the root of the problem and one of the ways the Catholic Church is disconnected from "us."

So, we hone in on silly examples, but we don't consider the source. What if Amorath has encountered Evil with a capital E, but he's speaking out of a limited understanding of the world and experience in general?

So the statements make sense to me, but I need to dismiss them as irrelevant regardless.
 
2011-11-26 02:44:15 AM  

fusillade762: kent_eh: buckler: I've never understood why these people think that others will wholeheartedly believe in stupid shiat as easily as they do. It. boggles my mind.

[www.caleblack.com image 230x347]

Also this:

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 322x500]


buckler: Daraymann: Wouldn't the belief in SATAN be, in itself, satanic?

When I was in high school, we had these jerkwads invited in to tell us about how evil D&D was. Of course at this time, I was an avid D&D player. This guy started spouting off about how D&D spells and witchcraft were real, and how it was leading us down the path to damnation. I raised my hand, told the guy that my friends and I were avid D&D players, and how we understood it was just fantasy and for fun, and the interior mechanics were about as enjoyable as double-entry bookkeping, that there were no real spells or magic, and if anyone had a problem with reality, it was this guy. He insisted that it was all real. and that we were just being duped by Satan. I rolled my eyes and rolled on.

No dude, it's true! Also, this is non-fiction:

[www.chernobogslair.com image 348x504]


I read "Idiot America" a few weeks ago. Good stuff.
 
2011-11-26 02:48:24 AM  

FarkingStan: Ok, so trolling aside, what do you think makes people susceptible to censoring these things from reality. In an honest, objective way, why do we think Harry Potter threatens our souls from Amorath's point of view?

Because if we want to really understand this argument we need to try and understand it from his perspective. In one of his books, I think the second one, he talks about how the rhythm of music in pop culture encourages sex, and implies the rhythm of sex...

What is inherently evil about sex, or the rhythm of music which suggests this? The roots trace back to Aquinus or Agustous. It's late and I forget which A I'm talking about. But essentially it was an aesthetic belief that the flesh itself was somehow evil, which there is little evidence of in the Bible. Some passages about Flesh being weak, but not suggestive, I think, to the large theophilosophy A encouraged as an aesthetic.

Still, there's the root of the problem and one of the ways the Catholic Church is disconnected from "us."

So, we hone in on silly examples, but we don't consider the source. What if Amorath has encountered Evil with a capital E, but he's speaking out of a limited understanding of the world and experience in general?

So the statements make sense to me, but I need to dismiss them as irrelevant regardless.


Woman listens to talking snake and eats fruit that makes her smart, shares it with man, God gets mad and breaks all of creation. Now everything we do that's not begging and pleading God for forgiveness = evil and sinful, along with our horrible fallen bodies that act as prisons for our souls.
 
2011-11-26 02:53:01 AM  
Sabyen91:

No, but I have experienced nearly all of the encounters of "Hostage to the Devil" which is a really good read. And as for Amorath's book, a number of his stories strike a chord. I can't impart personal experience well, and I certainly can't express my own personal experiences with the demonic which have any meaning to anyone that has not, so I don't generally bring it up.

I believe in the "thing" that these men are fighting. I just don't think their rationale for what constitutes a catalyst makes any sense. There are a number of reasons for this. The greatest being they live in a world of faith, do not experience the things they purport "cause" possessions, and these priests seem to only have a vague idea of the functional end of the demonic, not the practical.

I'm not saying I get it either. I'm just saying in his books he makes a number of claims on why possessions are occurring. If he doesn't use scientific reasoning to justify the claims, it is of little conversational value. Just announcing demons possess people because of Harry Potter and "black magic" is like saying Homosexuals will go to hell and Sodom and Gomorrah are examples of this as truth indicates someone who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. (hint: Sodom was much like America. Ezekiel 16:49.)
 
2011-11-26 02:56:57 AM  
Keizer_Ghidorah: taking one creation story which shows up in numerous cultures, given to a primitive people and transferred orally over the years and judging an entire faith and religion on only that is really, really unintelligent and has little to do with this thread, even though you're going to argue that it really, really does because all Christians are really dumb, and you've figured out how to dismiss centuries of organized religion by dismissing a single passage from before antiquity...
 
2011-11-26 02:57:07 AM  

Kome: Satanic Yoga Video (new window)


Thank you, that's a save. You should have put (NSFW), though...
 
2011-11-26 02:59:52 AM  
GentlemanJ Edit/Remove Favorite UserAdd Favorite User :

Where do you work, Rome?
 
2011-11-26 03:13:59 AM  

MannaxOne: [hotgiyp.com image 640x899]

You are all slipping. Emma Watson in Yoga Pants.
Now if I could just find a rear view.


Dammit, and I *just* rubbed one out before bed.

*Sigh* The shiat I put up with...*zip*
 
2011-11-26 03:29:34 AM  
Ahh another asshole with an invisible sky friend. This bozo needs to have a hand grenade detonated in his mouth.
 
2011-11-26 03:39:45 AM  

Kome: Satanic Yoga Video (new window)


Video could have been epic except they included that dork in the gray tshirt. Took me a minute to recognize the music as a remix of Steve Winwood. Interesting.
 
2011-11-26 03:43:30 AM  

FarkingStan: Sabyen91:

I believe in the "thing" that these men are fighting. I just don't think their rationale for what constitutes a catalyst makes any sense. There are a number of reasons for this. The greatest being they live in a world of faith, do not experience the things they purport "cause" possessions...


They most certainly do. There is ONE thing that is common amongst all of those who purportedly experience what is commonly called "demonic possession, and ONE thing only. That one thing, is a deeply held religious conviction. Not ONE case of demonic possession has occurred to an "unbeliever", or self-proclaimed atheist. Not ONCE - in the history of mankind.

That in itself, says volumes, about what YOU believe to be real.
 
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