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(Den Of Geek) Interesting A rationalization of why there were two more Spider-Man movies than necessary   (denofgeek.com) divider line 74
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2011-11-25 08:20:54 AM
Because they made a lot of money?
 
2011-11-25 09:16:36 AM
Because the public was absolutely clamoring to see Topher Grace's nuanced representation of Eddie Brock/Venom onscreen? What a performance! Oscar worthy!
 
2011-11-25 09:47:52 AM
I thought the second one was pretty good. Was I not supposed to think that?
 
2011-11-25 10:03:54 AM
The second one was one of the greatest super hero movies ever made.
 
2011-11-25 10:04:15 AM
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2011-11-25 10:05:13 AM
Mugato: I thought the second one was pretty good. Was I not supposed to think that?

I thought ti was good too.


I find Fark's fickleness over pop culture to be rather odd. EVERYONE loved the first 2 films, yet it seems like no one will admit to after the 3rd film came out. (see also: X-Men series).
 
2011-11-25 10:05:40 AM
As previously mentioned subby, 2 was great and far better then the first.

*3* was the abomination.
 
2011-11-25 10:08:28 AM
I found the first kind of tedious.. while I've heard lots of praise of the second, I still haven't gotten around to seeing it.
 
2011-11-25 10:11:02 AM
I thought the first was ok, which is why I didn't see 2 and 3 in the theater. They range from forgettable to horrible. I hope every pudgy Farker avoids the reboot, but it won't happen.
 
2011-11-25 10:11:36 AM
The third one was one of the biggest wastes of cinematic funds ever. Only Armageddon beats that one out in my opinion.
 
2011-11-25 10:13:45 AM
The second movie was very good, subby. The third one sucked road kill.
 
2011-11-25 10:14:01 AM
gopher321: Because the public was absolutely clamoring to see Topher Grace's nuanced representation of Eddie Brock/Venom onscreen? What a performance! Oscar worthy!

iseewhatyoudid.com
 
2011-11-25 10:16:03 AM
Nemo's Brother: I hope every pudgy Farker avoids the reboot, but it won't happen.

I'm hoping it turns out as well X-Men: First Class. That movie sounded like ass as well, yet it was much better than it really should've been.
 
2011-11-25 10:16:15 AM
I just want the Spidey film rights to go back to Marvel Studios. Same with Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Ghost Rider and X-Men.
 
2011-11-25 10:17:13 AM
Nemo's Brother: I hope every pudgy Farker avoids the reboot, but it won't happen.

This. Everything I've seen about the reboot (stills, trailers) suggests a high degree of sucktacularity.

/Not pudgy.
//Not wasting money on the reboot.
 
2011-11-25 10:17:43 AM
I seem to be the only person who got the concept of Peter's emo scenes in the movie.

The venom Symbiote brings out a persons evil side. Peter Parker is a total dork.

Dork+evil=emo

They were too cheesy and poorly done to be any good but the idea made sense to me.
 
2011-11-25 10:24:02 AM
Summer Glau's Love Slave: Nemo's Brother: I hope every pudgy Farker avoids the reboot, but it won't happen.

This. Everything I've seen about the reboot (stills, trailers) suggests a high degree of sucktacularity.

/Not pudgy.
//Not wasting money on the reboot.


Only the pudgy farkers will go to the movie I think.
 
2011-11-25 10:30:49 AM
Two more? You mean the first and third movies, right?
 
2011-11-25 10:41:43 AM
The second movie was fairly strong, but they f*cked up in their characterization of Doc Ock.

He's not a good man who falls under the influence of his talking hands, he's an arrogant, egotistical prick. He hates Spider-Man not because his arms convince him that Spidey is responsible for the death of his wife, but because he can't stand the fact that he's been bested by an "inferior" man. The only reason he would ever help someone would be to boost his own sense of self worth. He's angry, bitter, and feels he's been wronged by society because it doesn't recognize his greatness.
 
2011-11-25 10:44:29 AM
Digitalstrange: I seem to be the only person who got the concept of Peter's emo scenes in the movie.

The venom Symbiote brings out a persons evil side. Peter Parker is a total dork.

Dork+evil=emo

They were too cheesy and poorly done to be any good but the idea made sense to me.


It's not that you're the only one that got it, it's that everyone else agreed it was mind-blowingly STUPID. I remember being in the theater watching (big mistake, in hindsight) and hearing the audience audibly groan throughout those scenes, then the shot of Spiderman with the flag behind it near the end sealed it for me.
With Spiderman 2, even though I agree it's the best one of the 3, I could still understand someone hating it just because of Kirsten Dunst. I swear I could eviscerate her with my bare hands for always playing some obnoxious manipulative coont.

/oh, the rage I felt with "Venom" in SP3, it could power a small world.
 
2011-11-25 10:48:42 AM
As much as I liked the Spidey movies, I felt that Kirsten Dunst was the wrong choice for MJ.
 
2011-11-25 10:52:56 AM
texdent: As much as I liked the Spidey movies, I felt that Kirsten Dunst was the wrong choice for MJ.

Should have been

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2011-11-25 10:53:44 AM
Man, i never understand it. I like Spider-Man I and III, and think that the much-lauded II is the stinker of the series, for the following reasons.

-- Doc Ock is a total retread of Norman Osborne. I love Peter Parker like a son even though we've met twice! Grr, i must now kill everyone to prove my pet research project works!

-- Oh, look, Peter has bad luck all of a sudden. Everything's going wrong at once, whether he's delivering a pizza or trying to grab an hors d'oeuvre at a party, it goes bad! I seriously expected him to start walking into rakes like Sideshow Bob.

-- Aunt May's ludicrous and soppy speech. People need heroes, they line up for them at midnight, just like you good people did tonight, blaaah blaaah.

-- There's no way to stop my fusion reaction! (Just dump it in the river) Wait! Dump it... in the river.

-- There's no explanation why a pudgy scientist can walk around lugging what must be a few hundred pounds of metal. Not only does he not collapse, he instead gains mad strength for no reason.

-- JESUS TRAIN POSE.

-- Mary Jane just looks awful in that brown dress.
 
2011-11-25 10:57:14 AM
ELF Radio: Man, i never understand it. I like Spider-Man I and III, and think that the much-lauded II is the stinker of the series, for the following reasons.

-- Doc Ock is a total retread of Norman Osborne. I love Peter Parker like a son even though we've met twice! Grr, i must now kill everyone to prove my pet research project works!

-- Oh, look, Peter has bad luck all of a sudden. Everything's going wrong at once, whether he's delivering a pizza or trying to grab an hors d'oeuvre at a party, it goes bad! I seriously expected him to start walking into rakes like Sideshow Bob.

-- Aunt May's ludicrous and soppy speech. People need heroes, they line up for them at midnight, just like you good people did tonight, blaaah blaaah.

-- There's no way to stop my fusion reaction! (Just dump it in the river) Wait! Dump it... in the river.

-- There's no explanation why a pudgy scientist can walk around lugging what must be a few hundred pounds of metal. Not only does he not collapse, he instead gains mad strength for no reason.

-- JESUS TRAIN POSE.

-- Mary Jane just looks awful in that brown dress.


And I repeat:

iseewhatyoudid.com
 
2011-11-25 10:58:52 AM
ELF Radio: Aunt May's ludicrous and soppy speech. People need heroes, they line up for them at midnight, just like you good people did tonight, blaaah blaaah.

Peter needed a pep talk to get him back into the heroic spirit


ELF Radio: There's no explanation why a pudgy scientist can walk around lugging what must be a few hundred pounds of metal. Not only does he not collapse, he instead gains mad strength for no reason.

If Wolverine can walk around with adamantium fused to skeleton without any problems, then a pudgy scientist can do the same thing.
 
2011-11-25 11:03:49 AM
I think subby screwed up his headline. The premise of the article is that the 3rd movie would have been at least okay if it had been two movies. If you take that premise as true, then the headline approximates cleverness... I think. It still doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but I'm pretty sure Subby did not mean the headline to reference Spiderman 2, the only good one.

I'm certain, however, that the modmins approved the headline because its troll gold.
 
2011-11-25 11:13:19 AM
meh... it's a series of comic book movies, where they were put under stress and a microscope to produce anything they could.

I consider them entertaining, with nice effects that did put Spider-man on the big screen in a very realistic way. Something that couldn't have been done without such technology.

While they took liberties, what else can be done... I've never seen a single movie that really was able to follow a comic, or a book, in a way that made me consider that it was a "perfect" switchover.

So I enjoyed them all, just like I tend to enjoy most movies. It's entertainment, nothing more, and while I do agree that some movies could have been done better, could have followed the book/comic a bit more closely, I tend to look at it as an alternate version, which can offer something new, making the book/comic version stand on it's own, and hence, so does the movie.
 
2011-11-25 11:16:47 AM
texdent: ELF Radio: There's no explanation why a pudgy scientist can walk around lugging what must be a few hundred pounds of metal. Not only does he not collapse, he instead gains mad strength for no reason.

If Wolverine can walk around with adamantium fused to skeleton without any problems, then a pudgy scientist can do the same thing.



I believe that it's a question that the fictional metals used are both incredibly strong and incredibly light.

And I remember that Doc Oct uses the "arms" to lift himself up and move around quickly (at least he did in the comics)
 
2011-11-25 11:25:27 AM
imfallen_angel: And I remember that Doc Oct uses the "arms" to lift himself up and move around quickly (at least he did in the comics)

The comics have had their own weight/leverage issues...

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2011-11-25 11:26:12 AM
Nemo's Brother: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Nemo's Brother: I hope every pudgy Farker avoids the reboot, but it won't happen.

This. Everything I've seen about the reboot (stills, trailers) suggests a high degree of sucktacularity.

/Not pudgy.
//Not wasting money on the reboot.

Only the pudgy farkers will go to the movie I think.


You'll both be there opening night. Hype will be your downfall so stop kidding yourselves
 
2011-11-25 11:32:14 AM
Mentat: The second one was one of the greatest super hero movies ever made.

This. I can immediately dismiss a person the second I hear that they thought Spiderman 2 sucked, but the X-men series was awesome.
 
2011-11-25 11:35:46 AM
texdent: I just want the Spidey film rights to go back to Marvel Studios. Same with Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Ghost Rider and X-Men.

This is what needs to happen.
 
2011-11-25 11:40:56 AM
Wendy's Chili: The comics have had their own weight/leverage issues...

of course...

and (can't think of the name) but this artist (of the example you provided) is one of the worse for that.

Just the fact that he's made Doc. Oct's arms being almost limitless stretchable and the opened claws hitting the hulk without breaking is enough to just make even children weep in agony of it being far beyond acceptable... even for a comic.
 
2011-11-25 11:56:36 AM
I thought the second was easily as good as the first, if not better. The third was awful and rivals X-Men 3 for most disappointing end to a trilogy in superhero movies.
 
2011-11-25 11:58:50 AM
natural316: Nemo's Brother: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Nemo's Brother: I hope every pudgy Farker avoids the reboot, but it won't happen.

This. Everything I've seen about the reboot (stills, trailers) suggests a high degree of sucktacularity.

/Not pudgy.
//Not wasting money on the reboot.

Only the pudgy farkers will go to the movie I think.

You'll both be there opening night. Hype will be your downfall so stop kidding yourselves


Only if you Mom buys my ticket.

/Speaking of pudgy.
 
2011-11-25 12:27:43 PM
imfallen_angel: Wendy's Chili: The comics have had their own weight/leverage issues...

of course...

and (can't think of the name) but this artist (of the example you provided) is one of the worse for that.

Just the fact that he's made Doc. Oct's arms being almost limitless stretchable and the opened claws hitting the hulk without breaking is enough to just make even children weep in agony of it being far beyond acceptable... even for a comic.


It's Erik Larson, I believe.

The arms are new ones made of adamantium, so being able to bust Hulk in the chops is acceptable. Hoisting Hulk in the air while planted only on his two feet, however, is a little absurd.
 
2011-11-25 12:35:22 PM
Digitalstrange: Dork+evil=

mimg.ugo.com
 
2011-11-25 12:39:45 PM
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Spiderman thread?
 
2011-11-25 12:47:13 PM
Can we have a villain who isn't mad at Peter/Spidey due to some misunderstanding/evil influence?

Not a SINGLE villain is at fault for any of their crimes. It's always some corrupting force at work that compels them to do bad things. They're good people turned against their nature by some deus ex. Green Goblin/Osbourne and his steroids-induced psychosis, Doc Ock and his mind-controlling robot arms, Harry and his revenge, Sandman and his sick daughter, Venom/Brock and the symbiote.

How about a villain who is just an asshole for once. He starts out as an asshole, becomes an asshole super villain, hates Spidey for getting in his way, and in the end he must be destroyed because he'll never stop his asshole nature. Also, Spidey finally gets to kill someone instead of having that dude done in by his own contrivances/hubris.

Is that so much to ask?
 
2011-11-25 12:49:16 PM
A rationalization of why there were two more Spider-Man movies than necessary

You're short by one, subby.
 
2011-11-25 12:50:43 PM
tl dnr

Can answer the "why" in 1 character...

$
 
2011-11-25 12:51:44 PM
Yeah, 1 and 3.

/2 was neccessary.
 
2011-11-25 12:52:16 PM
Ishkur: Can we have a villain who isn't mad at Peter/Spidey due to some misunderstanding/evil influence?

Not a SINGLE villain is at fault for any of their crimes. It's always some corrupting force at work that compels them to do bad things. They're good people turned against their nature by some deus ex. Green Goblin/Osbourne and his steroids-induced psychosis, Doc Ock and his mind-controlling robot arms, Harry and his revenge, Sandman and his sick daughter, Venom/Brock and the symbiote.

How about a villain who is just an asshole for once. He starts out as an asshole, becomes an asshole super villain, hates Spidey for getting in his way, and in the end he must be destroyed because he'll never stop his asshole nature. Also, Spidey finally gets to kill someone instead of having that dude done in by his own contrivances/hubris.

Is that so much to ask?



So, Carnage?
 
2011-11-25 12:56:07 PM
Treygreen13: So, Carnage?

Would have to make the movie R-rated to do his character even a fraction of justice.

So yes.

Yes, please.

/It would have to be almost grindcore in its merciless depiction of senseless and random violence
 
2011-11-25 12:57:38 PM
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2011-11-25 01:01:00 PM
Ishkur: Treygreen13: So, Carnage?

Would have to make the movie R-rated to do his character even a fraction of justice.

So yes.

Yes, please.

/It would have to be almost grindcore in its merciless depiction of senseless and random violence


Just add Doppleganger and you have a Maximum Carnage movie. You'd have a psychopath serial killer and a mindless killing drone that can impersonate Spider Man and turn the city against him.

/which would be awesome
 
2011-11-25 01:03:13 PM
Oh, JK Simmons. Could they have cast that any better? (Really, one of my favorite little moments in the first movie is when Goblin shows up trying to get at Spidey through his photographer and JJJ's first instinct is to protect his crew, even if it's a kid photographer he barely knows. That's the mean, irascible, pain-in-the-ass loyal newspaper guy we all know.)
 
2011-11-25 01:40:13 PM
The article is completely wrong. The reason there were more movies than necessary is because Marvel clowned on all the movie studios.

When Marvel was negotiating licensing on their characters, they had a 'use it or lose it' clause in the contracts. If Sony failed to produce a Spider-man movie every few years, they would lose the licensing. While this wasn't such a big deal at the time, as Sony could always re-negotiate for the rights if they had to slow things down, as it became more and more clear that Marvel was going to be purchased by Disney, Sony knew they wouldn't give up the rights again.

This led to rushed scripts and bad movies, and it's going to continue to happen over the franchises which Marvel has licensed out, specifically X-Men and Spider-man. And it's only going to get worse.
 
2011-11-25 01:50:52 PM
Digitalstrange: I seem to be the only person who got the concept of Peter's emo scenes in the movie.

The venom Symbiote brings out a persons evil side. Peter Parker is a total dork.

Dork+evil=emo

They were too cheesy and poorly done to be any good but the idea made sense to me.


The problem is that emo isn't really Peter's dark side. The entire premise of Spider Man is "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility". As with many of the best heroes, Spidey's limitations are self-imposed based on his morality and ethics. In the comics, the symbiote suit started tearing down those walls. Peter became addicted to those powers and started becoming more aggressive to the point where he nearly killed a man. The shock of that act was what made him realize what the suit was doing to him. That really never came across in the film because he was strutting around like a moron.
 
2011-11-25 01:58:34 PM
Ishkur: How about a villain who is just an asshole for once. He starts out as an asshole, becomes an asshole super villain, hates Spidey for getting in his way, and in the end he must be destroyed because he'll never stop his asshole nature. Also, Spidey finally gets to kill someone instead of having that dude done in by his own contrivances/hubris.

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I always thought he was a dick.
 
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