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(Daily Mail) Scary Put on your tin foil hats, friends, because malls are starting to track where and how long you shop by using your cell phone signal   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 114
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2011-11-25 12:05:50 AM
Not if you don't go to malls.
 
2011-11-25 12:06:42 AM
Lionel Mandrake: Not if you don't go to malls.

That's what they want you to think.
 
2011-11-25 12:25:35 AM
i184.photobucket.com

Whatever, dude. Batin'.
 
2011-11-25 12:57:23 AM
Crap. Then they'll know about my embarassing mall habits! My addiction to food court bourbon chicken...playing with the hermit crabs at the store with too much incense, then finishing my trip by buying a pound of jolly ranchers at the candy store!
 
2011-11-25 03:24:22 AM
No one must ever know about my secret shame: my Yankee Candle addiction.
 
2011-11-25 03:24:27 AM
Just wrap your phone in tinfoil.
 
2011-11-25 03:25:04 AM
jingks: Just wrap your phone in tinfoil.

And amplify the signal??

WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?
 
2011-11-25 03:27:12 AM
... So they'll know I collect Warmachine minis?.
 
2011-11-25 03:29:26 AM
FTA: Hackers' attempts will however be made more difficult by the fact the identification numbers will be scrambled twice.

Scrambled twice? That nothing, every hack knows 7 is the only way to be sure you arn't tracked. Hello 7 proxies!
 
2011-11-25 03:40:12 AM
rogue_L_chick: Crap. Then they'll know about my embarassing mall habits! My addiction to food court bourbon chicken...playing with the hermit crabs at the store with too much incense, then finishing my trip by buying a pound of jolly ranchers at the candy store!

Until they start showing personalized ads on your smartphone apps and searches.
 
2011-11-25 03:44:10 AM
So I... spend a lot of time in my car while my card is being swiped at various stores in the mall of the parking lot I'm in?

/ no, i don't take my phone with me into the mall, people who shop and gabble on their star trek device are annoying as shiat
 
2011-11-25 03:47:35 AM
starsrift: So I... spend a lot of time in my car while my card is being swiped at various stores in the mall of the parking lot I'm in?

/ no, i don't take my phone with me into the mall, people who shop and gabble on their star trek device are annoying as shiat


Just wondering. What kind of car do you drive? What mall do you usually go to?

Just wondering.
 
2011-11-25 03:47:36 AM
Of course, when you fall in a mall fountain you can't be tracked either.

i40.tinypic.com
 
2011-11-25 03:53:50 AM
OMG!! Everyone will know I spent a lot of time in bars and in liquor stores... What of it?
 
2011-11-25 04:04:27 AM
Hmmm, mall sets up a fake cell access point and steals all sorts of interesting data from my phone.

/So that heavy breathing I thought I heard on my cell phone, during a call in the mall, wasn't the NSA?
//And my phones ring tone changing to 'Kohl's friday song', was just a coincidence?
 
2011-11-25 04:09:02 AM
I'm a stalker, so I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2011-11-25 04:10:19 AM
I've never owned a cell phone and I'm also enjoying these replies.

why would anyone want to be a slave to a frickin' phone? i'd rather be a slave to a microwave for chrissakes
 
2011-11-25 04:15:58 AM
Maybe some on in the area can buy a bunch of old cell phones from a thrift store cheap and leave them around the mall.

If you do make sure to put your home number on them so when they are found that the mall calls you to come pick the up so you can do it the next time your at the mall.
 
2011-11-25 04:17:52 AM
Omahawg: I've never owned a cell phone and I'm also enjoying these replies.

why would anyone want to be a slave to a frickin' phone? i'd rather be a slave to a microwave for chrissakes


cellphones are becoming more and more like tiny computers, and since you can access the internet in 'em as well as calendars, games, medical programs (epocrates, for one), a lot of people use them more than the average computer.
 
2011-11-25 04:24:28 AM
Law enforcement have been using similar tech for years. But it shows up in a non-classified commercial application for the first time in a foreign country?
 
2011-11-25 04:28:49 AM
CygnusDarius: Omahawg: I've never owned a cell phone and I'm also enjoying these replies.

why would anyone want to be a slave to a frickin' phone? i'd rather be a slave to a microwave for chrissakes

cellphones are becoming more and more like tiny computers, and since you can access the internet in 'em as well as calendars, games, medical programs (epocrates, for one), a lot of people use them more than the average computer.


i still think its just silly
 
2011-11-25 04:35:35 AM
Good thing I don't go to malls.
 
2011-11-25 04:36:28 AM
It's a good way to get people to turn their cell phones off in public.
 
2011-11-25 04:53:39 AM
For the life of me I don't understand why no one appears to be up in arms about cell phone tracking.

Earlier this year when it came out phone companies were keeping info longer than some thought, I didn't know they were holding data at all. Why five days, for marketing? BS. Even if you can remove the battery, does that ensure it cannot be tracked? (I assume there is a back-up power source, a capacitor of some sort, to retain basic information.)

A private company tracking citizens seems against all that is Liberal, and those folks are the loudest these days.
 
2011-11-25 04:55:03 AM
Compared to what your credit card company and the stores in which you shop already know about you, tracking your movements around the mall is a drop in the bucket.
 
2011-11-25 04:56:54 AM
The only way to stop them from tracking you is to put your cellphone up your butt, then put on your tinfoil underwear


(anyone that doesn't already have tinfoil underwear prepared, please get in line to receive an I-told-you-so and a free copy of 'MurphyMurphys Guide to Battling the Militant Neo-Capitalist LizardPeople From Planet MKUltra')
 
2011-11-25 05:16:50 AM
Wait, people go to malls still?
 
2011-11-25 05:20:13 AM
Allen262: Maybe some on in the area can buy a bunch of old cell phones from a thrift store cheap and leave them around the mall.

If you do make sure to put your home number on them so when they are found that the mall calls you to come pick the up so you can do it the next time your at the mall.


Leave them? I would carry them around and have your friends do the same thing. Then wander the mall at really odd times to throw off the data. Make them think video gamers like sport stores that sell outdoor ware and camping gear. Go into all of the children's clothing stores and then spend the other half of the time in the back half of Spencer's gifts where they sell the porn and marital aides. The system isn't smart enough to identify numbers, just the call signals of any phone and it's location plus a time stamp.

Who's in?
 
2011-11-25 05:21:20 AM
tinfoil-hat maggie: Wait, people go to malls still?

You have never had an Orange Julius, have you?

\I don't go there to shop, I just happen to like some of the food
 
2011-11-25 05:22:40 AM
rogue_L_chick: Crap. Then they'll know about my embarassing mall habits! My addiction to food court bourbon chicken...playing with the hermit crabs at the store with too much incense, then finishing my trip by buying a pound of jolly ranchers at the candy store!weed

Apply a simple "munchies wander algorithm" on the data and you'll have a squad of mall cop commandos coming at you on segways before you're finished playing with the hermit crabs.
 
2011-11-25 05:23:37 AM
Sbarro
Victoria's Secret
Bathroom
Victoria's Secret
Bathroom
Victoria's Secret
Bathroom
 
2011-11-25 05:34:24 AM
L.D. Ablo: Sbarro
Victoria's Secret
Bathroom
Victoria's Secret
Bathroom
Victoria's Secret
Bathroom


...don't you need to make another trip to Sbarro somewhere in the middle there to refuel? You're burning a lot of carbs.
 
2011-11-25 05:35:33 AM
Stories like this make me glad I have never, and will never (unless my job requires it) own a cell phone..

I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, I just hate talking on the phone, and get bothered enough on my land line.

You should try it, it's pretty great to go through an entire day without having people call you every 5 minutes to remind you about things you don't need to be reminded about, or ask you inane questions. All day long at work I hear my co-workers answering calls and the entire conversation is 'Yes....yes....I will....I did....it's not till next week....uh-huh......uh-huh.....uh-huh.....ya.....uh-huh.....uh-huh.... .uh-huh.....ok....ok......ok.....ok......bye'.

Frankly, I can't fathom why people, especially married people, choose to have cell phones, as they very rarely seem to actually enjoy the conversations they're having on them.
 
2011-11-25 05:36:35 AM
gozar_the_destroyer: tinfoil-hat maggie: Wait, people go to malls still?

You have never had an Orange Julius, have you?

\I don't go there to shop, I just happen to like some of the food


Those disappeared here along with the Cold War.
 
2011-11-25 05:43:17 AM
L.D. Ablo: Sbarro
Victoria's Secret
Bathroom
Victoria's Secret
Bathroom
Victoria's Secret
Bathroom


The next day:

Teddy bear shop
Bathroom
Teddy bear shop
Bathroom
Teddy bear shop
Bathroom
Teddy bear shop
Bathroom

\new day, new fetish
 
2011-11-25 05:49:07 AM
gozar_the_destroyer: L.D. Ablo: Sbarro
Victoria's Secret
Bathroom
Victoria's Secret
Bathroom
Victoria's Secret
Bathroom

The next day:

Teddy bear shop
Bathroom
Teddy bear shop
Bathroom
Teddy bear shop
Bathroom
Teddy bear shop
Bathroom

\new day, new fetish


You should get better fetishes; )
/although if that works for you, hey. have fun, be safe
 
2011-11-25 05:52:17 AM
glassbottomboatcaptain: Stories like this make me glad I have never, and will never (unless my job requires it) own a cell phone..

I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, I just hate talking on the phone, and get bothered enough on my land line.

You should try it, it's pretty great to go through an entire day without having people call you every 5 minutes to remind you about things you don't need to be reminded about, or ask you inane questions. All day long at work I hear my co-workers answering calls and the entire conversation is 'Yes....yes....I will....I did....it's not till next week....uh-huh......uh-huh.....uh-huh.....ya.....uh-huh.....uh-huh.... .uh-huh.....ok....ok......ok.....ok......bye'.

Frankly, I can't fathom why people, especially married people, choose to have cell phones, as they very rarely seem to actually enjoy the conversations they're having on them.


Just because it rings doesn't mean you have to answer it. And answering the cell phones while at work when you are not on a break is pretty unprofessional.
 
2011-11-25 06:07:25 AM
gozar_the_destroyer: Leave them? I would carry them around and have your friends do the same thing. Then wander the mall at really odd times to throw off the data. Make them think video gamers like sport stores that sell outdoor ware and camping gear. Go into all of the children's clothing stores and then spend the other half of the time in the back half of Spencer's gifts where they sell the porn and marital aides. The system isn't smart enough to identify numbers, just the call signals of any phone and it's location plus a time stamp.

Who's in?


This was one of my first thoughts too. Combine it with L.D. Ablo's idea and create a flash-mob of sorts.

If one guy alternates between Victoria's Secret (or teddy bears) and the bathroom they'll just think he's weird, but if 50 people a day start doing this they'll think it's a movement. Then make the Christian book store your last stop before hanging out at the toy store in the Barbie section for an hour.
 
2011-11-25 06:15:37 AM
` Honest Question -
Between the Navstar in your new car and cell phone tracking pretty much everywhere, how long until it is ILLEGAL to be in public WITHOUT having a government approved tracking device on your person?
`
*not a CSB: I will be installing 2 more Sat/GPS trackers next week. If you rent a car, or charter a boat or plane the odds are going up that the owners* have a record of every place you visit and a real time log of your heading and speed between each stop.
*or government or your ex's lawyers.
 
2011-11-25 06:21:03 AM
Cell phones have this fancy new feature called "off". Give it a try!
 
2011-11-25 06:22:43 AM
grahambhg: Cell phones have this fancy new feature called "off". Give it a try!

Assuming I want to carry a cell phone with me into a store, why should I have to turn it off so I won't be tracked?

/don't carry a cell with me into stores, I just don't like the idea of something like this.
 
2011-11-25 06:47:53 AM
FTFA
i.dailymail.co.uk

Can I get two, please?

/I'd track her signal, if ya know what I mean and I think you do...
 
2011-11-25 06:59:12 AM
aspAddict: FTFA


Can I get two, please?

/I'd track her signal, if ya know what I mean and I think you do...


gigiggity
 
2011-11-25 07:07:00 AM
The only surprise here is that they are admitting to doing this.
People on cell phones in public are annoying as hell.
 
2011-11-25 07:20:58 AM
Actually, the technology used for tracking in these surveys relies on Bluetooth.

Which means only about 20% of the customers are tracked, and you don't even have to turn off your phone if you don't want to participate, just disable BT.

/yes, I looked it up
 
hej
2011-11-25 07:23:20 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: No one must ever know about my secret shame: my Yankee Candle addiction.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/victim-of-mall-shooting-determined-n o t-to-die-in-y,2390/
 
2011-11-25 07:30:29 AM
I just came here to say all of the above.

No surprise
get used to it
who goes to malls?
I resisted a cell phones for a long time -- pretty nice to have for a lot of reasons though
 
2011-11-25 07:45:00 AM
Mixed feelings about this.

On one hand, who the fark cares. If some mall wants to track my shopping habits, they can always use CCTV and get the same results. And I have the option of leaving the cell in the car or removing the battery and turning it off. It's like a consensual search - just opt out.

OTOH, it's a slippery slope. My cell phone is my personal property. In order not to be tracked I have to take measures to ensure that won't occur. And I may miss a call that is important to me. (Kid has flat tire, house on fire.)

But, I trashed my cell phone in the wash and never replaced it. So fark it.
 
2011-11-25 07:54:24 AM
starsrift:

/ no, i don't take my phone with me into the mall, people who shop and gabble on their star trek device are annoying as shiat


My cell phone is almost always off, shopping or not. When shopping I only turn it on to call to ask, for example, if she wants creamy or crunchy, or to tell her the Super Duper is out of stock so she'll have to pick some up herself elsewhere. Then I turn it back off.

At home I turn the ringer on my land line off and let the old answering machine take the messages, with the on that volume turned all the way down. For one thing, for some reason every bill collector in the country calls my number trying to reach everybody in the state whose name resembles mine; I got tired of calling them back and saying, e.g., 'Do I sound like a "Dorothy" to you?' So I just ignore them. The land line is for my DSL, and I'm only listed -- by last name and first initial -- because it costs extra not to be.

For the past 15 years everybody I want to hear has learns to put it in writing and wait for my reply (or not). My favorite tag line is 'I don't work for you': in this context that means that if someone wants to reach me on the phone at their convenience they better damn well earn the privilege, and make it worth my while, for as long as my interest lasts.

People should stop being sheep, or at least understand that some people ain't. If you want to give yourselves away for nothing that's your problem. And yes, being a cranky supercilious sonofabiatch does drastically limit the number of people (or businesses) who get to keep track of me (or even want to try), and when I want strangers to know something about me I'll post it to the Internet.

I wish cloaking devices weren't still SciFi. All that foil cuts into my booze budget.
 
2011-11-25 07:55:37 AM
They are already following you and tracking what you buy.
 
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