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2011-11-24 09:23:51 AM  
fark your commie light bulbs
I take my light as Jesus intended it:

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2011-11-24 09:29:37 AM  

EnviroDude: Isn't it funny how GE, maker of CFLs was able to lobby congress to insert verbiage into the energy act to eliminate the manufacture of traditional incandescents?

When you operate the propaganda wing of the Democrat party, is it a far stretch?

/Using LEDs in my house so I don't have to use hazmat protocols to clean up mercury from a broken bulb. Hopes that my fark brethren never have to ventilate their homes in the dead of a cold winter per US EPA recommendations.


I'll be careful and try not to break 17 CFLs in one day.
 
2011-11-24 09:32:19 AM  

Kibbler: "The lights switch on and off by pulling a string instead of flipping a switch, and Bunkley believes this is the secret to their longevity."

Ummmmmm OK.


She also beleives that electricity will leak out of empty sockets.
 
2011-11-24 09:32:47 AM  

SkunkWerks: In this Article: Homeowners bullshiatting about the life of their Incandescent bulbs to the thrill of a mostly not-gainfully-engaged media.

Alternatively: Dim bulbs.


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2011-11-24 09:33:53 AM  
You know Americans have their priorities screwed up when they're up in arms over government light bulb efficiency laws, but they go along with spending trillions of dollars and thousands of lives to invade foreign countries for no reason.
 
2011-11-24 09:37:13 AM  
It's a mystery to me how something as innocuous as the type of lightbulb has become such a derp issue.

"they've taken away our choice"

Boo hoo. For some, it's almost as though the Government had tried to take away their guns.
 
2011-11-24 09:38:01 AM  

SkunkWerks: In this Article: Homeowners bullshiatting about the life of their Incandescent bulbs to the thrill of a mostly not-gainfully-engaged media.

Alternatively: Dim bulbs.


Don't we mean DIM bulbs?

/DIMs! DIMs! DIMs! DIMs!
 
2011-11-24 09:40:15 AM  
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Something for the Farkettes.
 
2011-11-24 09:40:17 AM  

EnviroDude: Isn't it funny how GE, maker of CFLs was able to lobby congress to insert verbiage into the energy act to eliminate the manufacture of traditional incandescents?

When you operate the propaganda wing of the Democrat party, is it a far stretch?



You do realize that GE contributes almost exactly 50/50 to democrats and republicans, don't you? Placing it all on one party is a little partisan-hackish.
 
2011-11-24 09:40:23 AM  
Why, what is a flore, and how does it smell?
 
2011-11-24 09:40:29 AM  

Chummer45: You know Americans have their priorities screwed up when they're up in arms over government light bulb efficiency laws, but they go along with spending trillions of dollars and thousands of lives to invade foreign countries for no reason.


We are not OK with the "World Order Police" thing either. We are not OK with the militarization of the local police either. We are not happy with the Government Banking System. Yes America has lost her way. We have been hijacked by the people who are supposed to be protecting us. It is a sad time in American history.
 
2011-11-24 09:41:01 AM  
I replaced all my bulbs over a two year span staring 5 years ago (so last one replaced about 3 years ago). They've even been moved, and not a single CFL has failed since.

Really, the replace-once-a-decade quality is enough to get me to use them, to hell with anything else.

I'd be using LEDs if I could find any locally, not that I've looked in the last few years, as the CFLs haven't broke...
 
2011-11-24 09:43:02 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Well, yeah, this happens sometimes. Fifty years ago manufacturing standards and controls weren't particularly great, so sometimes you'd get lucky and a filament variation of some kind would settle by accident into a really favorable configuration. If you landed one of those bulbs, good for you, since _intentionally_ making one that good is quite expensive.


Problem is...the 'long lasting' bulbs use way more electricity and cost you more money in the long run.
 
2011-11-24 09:46:00 AM  

markfara: bigsteve3OOO: CFLs are fine. Government force is not. Keep your government dick beaters out of my lighting choices.

Light bulb legislation falls beneath my "who gives a sh*t" threshold. Am I part of the problem?


Well, kinda. See, our government is creating new levels of power for itself. It can reasonably do things which are strictly to protect society (like putting criminals in jail, building levies in flood-prone areas, raising an army to defend our borders, etc.) but it seems to be enacting legislation whose only purpose is to dictate the purchasing habits of everyday people, i.e. outlawing lightbulbs. The reason behind it seems to be simply for the purposes of eliminating an everyday item. Light bulbs aren't a real risk to people, neither are CFLs. So really it's just "These are obsolete! you can't use these anymore!" in a country where we kinda take care of our obsolete stuff. I mean, i still have a nice collection of VHS tapes, and own a combo VHS / DVD player (Last time I watched a Tape was two months ago though...)

Really, it seems like Congress is making busy work for itself so it doesn't have to deal with any real problems... like the financial crisis, social inequality, illegal immigration issues, etc. etc. etc.)
 
2011-11-24 09:47:17 AM  

SkunkWerks: Fool_Marquis: Only problem they have is that they are a single-frequency light, which some people dislike for lack of detail visibility.

Then CFLs aren't "obsolete".


Touche.
 
2011-11-24 09:47:39 AM  
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2011-11-24 09:48:46 AM  

Chummer45: You know Americans have their priorities screwed up when they're up in arms over government light bulb efficiency laws, but they go along with spending trillions of dollars and thousands of lives to invade foreign countries for no reason.


Right. That's exactly what "Support our Troops" means.
 
2011-11-24 09:51:30 AM  

EnviroDude: Thorndyke Barnhard: Hopes that my fark brethren never have to ventilate their homes in the dead of a cold winter per US EPA recommendations.

Dumbest post I've read all week ...right out the gate...

http://www.epa.gov/cfl/cflcleanup.html (new window)


What if I can't follow all the recommended steps? or I cleaned up a CFL but didn't do it properly?

Don't be alarmed; these steps are only precautions that reflect best practices for cleaning up a broken CFL. Keep in mind that CFLs contain a very small amount of mercury -- less than 1/100th of the amount in a mercury thermometer.


This is the derpiest derp in Derpistan. And how the hell do you break a CFL in the first place? They're way more robust than an incandescent. Anyway, between LEDs and the new high-efficiency incandescents, nobody's being forced to buy them. I put a bunch in my house because I have six ceiling floods in my kitchen. CFLs total 90 watts, vs. 330 (and a lot of unwanted heat) for incandescent.
 
2011-11-24 09:52:09 AM  

Fool_Marquis: markfara: bigsteve3OOO: CFLs are fine. Government force is not. Keep your government dick beaters out of my lighting choices.

Light bulb legislation falls beneath my "who gives a sh*t" threshold. Am I part of the problem?

Well, kinda. See, our government is creating new levels of power for itself. It can reasonably do things which are strictly to protect society (like putting criminals in jail, building levies in flood-prone areas, raising an army to defend our borders, etc.) but it seems to be enacting legislation whose only purpose is to dictate the purchasing habits of everyday people, i.e. outlawing lightbulbs. The reason behind it seems to be simply for the purposes of eliminating an everyday item. Light bulbs aren't a real risk to people, neither are CFLs. So really it's just "These are obsolete! you can't use these anymore!" in a country where we kinda take care of our obsolete stuff. I mean, i still have a nice collection of VHS tapes, and own a combo VHS / DVD player (Last time I watched a Tape was two months ago though...)

Really, it seems like Congress is making busy work for itself so it doesn't have to deal with any real problems... like the financial crisis, social inequality, illegal immigration issues, etc. etc. etc.)


Have you considered that there may be sound public policy reasons for banning incandescents?
 
2011-11-24 09:57:46 AM  

Fool_Marquis: LEDs use about half the energy of CFLs


Where did you find those? I've got some 15-watt BR30 LEDs, and they're great-- but they're about as bright as the 12-watt CFLs I have elsewhere. They seem to use a bit more energy than equivalent CFLs, and they cost about 30x as much.
 
2011-11-24 10:06:41 AM  

Chummer45: Have you considered that there may be sound public policy reasons for banning incandescents?


Yes. And there's not. Follow the money. The most inefficient incandescents are not being banned. The street lights in your neighborhood consume far more energy each night than every light in every house. They are unnecessary, but they make people feel more "secure." There are so many far more important ways we can conserve energy. Light bulbs are probably the most trivial.
 
2011-11-24 10:11:20 AM  

raygundan: Fool_Marquis: LEDs use about half the energy of CFLs

Where did you find those? I've got some 15-watt BR30 LEDs, and they're great-- but they're about as bright as the 12-watt CFLs I have elsewhere. They seem to use a bit more energy than equivalent CFLs, and they cost about 30x as much.


I bought four LED bulbs. It was the worst mistake I made in years. You can't really turn them off if your switches only kill the hot leg. These things catch the EMF from the neutral leg in the integral capacitor, and strobe like fire alarms when you turn them off. So they are used as porch lights, always on, until they eventually go out.
 
2011-11-24 10:14:11 AM  
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2011-11-24 10:14:56 AM  

JackieRabbit: The street lights in your neighborhood consume far more energy each night than every light in every house. They are unnecessary, but they make people feel more "secure."


Maybe they're "unnecessary" in your neighborhood, but not all neighborhoods.
 
2011-11-24 10:18:35 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Well, yeah, this happens sometimes. Fifty years ago manufacturing standards and controls weren't particularly great, so sometimes you'd get lucky and a filament variation of some kind would settle by accident into a really favorable configuration. If you landed one of those bulbs, good for you, since _intentionally_ making one that good is quite expensive.

Fluorescents have a more consistent failure mode, but still have some variation in lifespan for similar reasons and use a hell of a lot less energy.



Old stuff tended to be over-engineered and over-built to make up for loose manufacturing tolerances. As you say, luck of the draw. It probably has a big inefficient element. 60 watts equiv. today would be overkill for a pantry. I wonder how much those 50 year old bulbs cost, in comparison to today and adjusted for inflation.
 
2011-11-24 10:18:44 AM  
Relax, reactionaries. They are not being banned, The list of incandescent exceptions is lengthy (eg. 3-way lamps, chandelier lamps, appliance lamps). Virtually the only bulb affected is the standard 60-watt bulb you might have in your table lamp, and even then it's not getting banned, just made more efficient.

JackieRabbit: The most inefficient incandescents are not being banned. The street lights in your neighborhood...


Who has incandescent street lighting any more? You probably have sodium vapor, ie. not incandescent.
 
2011-11-24 10:20:50 AM  

billyboyxoxox: fridge



You should put one of those kill-a-watt meters on it and see what it uses in power. I bet a new fridge would pay for itself in 1 year with the energy savings.

Around here the power company will actually pay you to replace old fridges, and haul the old one away.
 
2011-11-24 10:23:27 AM  

lenfromak: raygundan: Fool_Marquis: LEDs use about half the energy of CFLs

Where did you find those? I've got some 15-watt BR30 LEDs, and they're great-- but they're about as bright as the 12-watt CFLs I have elsewhere. They seem to use a bit more energy than equivalent CFLs, and they cost about 30x as much.

I bought four LED bulbs. It was the worst mistake I made in years. You can't really turn them off if your switches only kill the hot leg. These things catch the EMF from the neutral leg in the integral capacitor, and strobe like fire alarms when you turn them off. So they are used as porch lights, always on, until they eventually go out.


I can at least say mine are better than that. They're Sylvania, I think. Light quality is a nice warm 2700k that's indistinguishable from the halogens next to them. On not-quite-instantly (no gradual warm-up, but there is a half-second of lag) and off without the craziness you describe. They dim smoothly, too. In fact, that's the only time you can tell they're not incandescents-- incandescents get gradually oranger when you dim them, but these just get dimmer. They DO cost an arm and a leg, though, so I'm using them only in a few commonly-used fixtures where we also regularly use the dimmer, and I'm only buying them when Lowes has sales or coupons.
 
2011-11-24 10:23:32 AM  

Buffet: 11of12: I am hijacking this thread before the light bulb derp really gets going.
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Excellent hijack man! Keep up the good work.


I find these pics more interesting than the same discussion that has been had on Fark 100000000000 times before.

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2011-11-24 10:23:57 AM  

Fool_Marquis: markfara: bigsteve3OOO: CFLs are fine. Government force is not. Keep your government dick beaters out of my lighting choices.

Light bulb legislation falls beneath my "who gives a sh*t" threshold. Am I part of the problem?

Well, kinda. See, our government is creating new levels of power for itself. It can reasonably do things which are strictly to protect society (like putting criminals in jail, building levies in flood-prone areas, raising an army to defend our borders, etc.) but it seems to be enacting legislation whose only purpose is to dictate the purchasing habits of everyday people, i.e. outlawing lightbulbs. The reason behind it seems to be simply for the purposes of eliminating an everyday item. Light bulbs aren't a real risk to people, neither are CFLs. So really it's just "These are obsolete! you can't use these anymore!" in a country where we kinda take care of our obsolete stuff. I mean, i still have a nice collection of VHS tapes, and own a combo VHS / DVD player (Last time I watched a Tape was two months ago though...)

Really, it seems like Congress is making busy work for itself so it doesn't have to deal with any real problems... like the financial crisis, social inequality, illegal immigration issues, etc. etc. etc.)


Yea, or even energy independence... oh wait.
 
2011-11-24 10:24:55 AM  
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2011-11-24 10:25:19 AM  
Ah yes, the CFL requirement part of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 sign into law by commie-socialist GW Bush.

Bush didn't try to veto it, and when Republicans tried to repeal that part early this year it couldn't pass the Republican controlled House.
 
2011-11-24 10:26:53 AM  
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2011-11-24 10:28:46 AM  
www.mlo.me
 
2011-11-24 10:30:46 AM  

JackieRabbit: The most inefficient incandescents are not being banned. The street lights in your neighborhood consume far more energy each night than every light in every house. They are unnecessary, but they make people feel more "secure."


I'll grant that they're annoying, wasteful, unnecessary, astronomy-wrecking, and counterproductive if intended to reduce crime... but they're usually sodium vapor lamps, not incandescents.

/Criminals can't work in the dark, either.
 
2011-11-24 10:31:00 AM  

JackieRabbit: The street lights in your neighborhood consume far more energy each night than every light in every house.


Why do you say this? The street lights don't use lightbulbs?
 
2011-11-24 10:33:02 AM  
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2011-11-24 11:01:26 AM  

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I think I just fell in love.
 
2011-11-24 11:03:03 AM  
CSB:

I had a house built nine years ago, and the builder put a bunch of no-name light bulbs in all the overhead fixtures (literally no-name... I have found no manufacturer names on them). In those nine years, only *one* of them has burned out.

Some don't get used that much, but I figured the one in the recessed canister in the shower would have burned out by now... it gets used 15-20 mins/day X 9 years = approx 20,000 hours and still going.
 
2011-11-24 11:04:01 AM  
lol, I now have picture directories titled 11of12 and red5ish.
 
2011-11-24 11:04:44 AM  
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2011-11-24 11:06:25 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: CFLs are fine. Government force is not. Keep your government dick beaters out of my lighting choices.


Why don't I have you on ignore yet?

Why are you guys breaking so many light bulbs?

billyboyxoxox: I use a 1960 Westinghouse refridgerator and stove. If you turn the fridge up too much it will freeze everything. The door seals are still in great shape and it runs oh so quietly. Sure you have to empty it and defrost it a few times a year but...1960. It's a year older than I am!


Old refrigerators use tons more energy. I bought a new refrigerator last year to replace my 70's vintage one --early 70's, probably. You could see the difference in my electric bill, just from that one thing.

I've been using CFLs for 20 years and the whargrblll about them is quite fascinating. I have real problems, but a lightbulb ain't one.
 
2011-11-24 11:07:23 AM  
Where am I supposed to get rid of the damn CFLs when they die?
 
2011-11-24 11:10:24 AM  

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You sir, are an American hero, a true patriot. Now don't forget about TFD (new window).
 
2011-11-24 11:14:33 AM  
She claims they're "Westinghouse", but are they really "Shelby" bulbs? We better investigate.

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2011-11-24 11:15:49 AM  
Ya know, Neon Lights don't require replacement...ever... they last forever so long as you don't smash the glass.
There's Neon Lights from the 1920s that still run today.

/also invented by Tesla.
 
2011-11-24 11:16:01 AM  

djh0101010: Where am I supposed to get rid of the damn CFLs when they die?


Around here, you just throw them away.

I use CFLs in table lamps and had one die, and the attendant at the local "convenience center" (recycling center and garbage dump) said they were instructed to just throw them in the dumpster.
 
2011-11-24 11:16:07 AM  

EnviroDude: Isn't it funny how GE, maker of CFLs was able to lobby congress to insert verbiage into the energy act to eliminate the manufacture of traditional incandescents?


Isn't it funny how the Candle company's attempts to sto-
You know what? Fark it. I'm not playing this game again.
 
2011-11-24 11:17:06 AM  

djh0101010: Where am I supposed to get rid of the damn CFLs when they die?


Home Depot, Lowes, and other places that sell them recycle them for you, so when you have to buy new ones, take the old ones back.

//Now, who takes the 8' florescent tubes, I couldn't tell you.
 
2011-11-24 11:17:08 AM  

neofonz: CSB:
I had a house built nine years ago, and the builder put a bunch of no-name light bulbs in all the overhead fixtures (literally no-name... I have found no manufacturer names on them). In those nine years, only *one* of them has burned out.
Some don't get used that much, but I figured the one in the recessed canister in the shower would have burned out by now... it gets used 15-20 mins/day X 9 years = approx 20,000 hours and still going.


I put CFLs all over my house when I bought it, almost four years ago. All of them are still fine. The one in the bathroom flickers a little, maybe because it gets used the most, or gets turned off and on the most. They are cheapies from Wal-Mart. I agree that the newer ones are crappier. But the prices have come down a lot. When they first came out, you could pay 6 or 8 dollars for one bulb.
 
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