Typical! When I was a lad, every Boy Scout had iodine tables to purify water and salt tablets, hatchets, axes, knives, manganese bars, sterno and a host of other stuff.

Yikes, we were a bad element.

I wonder when they're going after the pharmaceutical companies for what the doctors and patients do with their products. Frankly, I wonder when they're going after the matchstick manufacturers or the lumberjacks who cut down the trees to make the matches because they created some of the raw materials that ultimately went into meth manufacture.

It's all bullshiat. This guy had a right to make a living, and once his product was sold, he didn't have control of off-label use. He also didn't create the war on drugs that shut him down.

Look, the DEA needs a 5 to 10 percent growth rate, just like all government departments. How are they going to manage that if they don't outlaw something new every year? I mean if they didn't go after the iodine, they'd be coming for my nutmeg. So you have to make a trade-off somewhere.

Marcus Aurelius: they'd be coming for my nutmeg

*Reports Marcus Aurelius to DEA for illicit nutmeg*

I got some nutmeg, hit me up, dawgs.

DISBAND THE F*CKING DEA!!

St_Francis_P: Marcus Aurelius: they'd be coming for my nutmeg

*Reports Marcus Aurelius to DEA for illicit nutmeg*

Don't narc me, bro!

Shut down the DEA.

Put 1/2 of the agents on border security, 1/2 in DHS or FBI.

Use remaining DEA funds for drug education programs.

Also, I'm sure that Ford vehicles have been used in criminal activities. Why haven't these insidious perveyors of criminal travel been shut down?

Marcus Aurelius: St_Francis_P: Marcus Aurelius: they'd be coming for my nutmeg

*Reports Marcus Aurelius to DEA for illicit nutmeg*

Don't narc me, bro!

Someday when you've kicked that fragrant monkey off your back you'll thank me.

St_Francis_P: Marcus Aurelius: St_Francis_P: Marcus Aurelius: they'd be coming for my nutmeg

*Reports Marcus Aurelius to DEA for illicit nutmeg*

Don't narc me, bro!

Someday when you've kicked that fragrant monkey off your back you'll thank me.

You can have my Swedish meatballs when you pry them from my cold dead fingers.

That article is pretty light on details.

What are the stipulations he would be subject to in order to stay in business?

Are those stipulations standard?

How did the DEA arrive at his business as a contributor to meth production?

Surely he's not the only business in the United States that uses such a product?


Not saying I don't agree with the article (though it does come from the whining ass bags at Reason) but there's a lot of information here that we don't have that is pretty relevant.

Polar Pure? Holy crap, I've used that stuff. It's great.

Does this mean I'm going to jail?

Rev.K: That article is pretty light on details.

What are the stipulations he would be subject to in order to stay in business?

Are those stipulations standard?

How did the DEA arrive at his business as a contributor to meth production?

Surely he's not the only business in the United States that uses such a product?


Not saying I don't agree with the article (though it does come from the whining ass bags at Reason) but there's a lot of information here that we don't have that is pretty relevant.

Nevermind the Reason junk, read the actual article: Link (new window)

Well, I feel safer.

Why, I'm only half-cowering as I type this, because the nice DEA has gotten this mean old bogeyman out from under my bed!

make me some tea: Nevermind the Reason junk, read the actual article: Link (new window)

Yeah. Here we go.

First off:
"Methamphetamine is an insidious drug that causes enormous collateral damage," wrote Barbara Carreno, a DEA spokeswoman. "If Mr. Wallace is no longer in business he has perhaps become part of that collateral damage, for it was not a result of DEA regulations, but rather the selfish actions of criminal opportunists. Individuals that readily sacrifice human lives for money."

That's an absolutely asinine excuse. I suppose knife manufacturers will be next to suffer collateral damage since selfish, criminal opportunists sometimes stab people. Give me a f*cking break.

Second, to my previous point about why him:
In 2007, federal regulations were passed strictly regulating the chemical. Wallace said the new rules mandated that he had to pay a $1,200 regulatory fee, get federal and state permits, keep track of exactly who was buying his product and report anyone suspicious.

Wallace ignored the fee. And if they wanted a list of his customers, he fumed, all they would get would be camping equipment store managers and wholesalers.

What did he think would happen? I'm not sympathetic if he didn't follow federal regulations. It can be debated whether or not they should exist, but they do exist and ignoring them is a bad idea.

Third:
"Weird-looking people, 'Beavis and Butt-Head'-types, were coming into camping stores and buying everything they had on the shelves," Camps said. "Then they would take off into the mountains and try to cook meth with it." The DEA reported agents found Polar Pure at a meth lab they dismantled in Tennessee two years ago.

Again, more asinine DEA logic. I'm sure they pursued Big Pharma in exactly the same way, since all those cold pills can be used to make ephedrine.

For Wallace to comply, the state Department of Justice fingerprinted the couple and told Wallace he needed to show them such things as a solid security system for his product. Wallace sent a photograph of Buddy sitting on the front porch.

Similar to point #2. Thumbing your nose at the authorities who have provided details on what is going to keep you in business is a f*cking dumb idea. What in the f*ck did you think would happen?


Okay, enough points, now I get to my favorite part, lambasting Reason.


The Reason article is written in such a way that it makes it look like the DEA trampled an 88-year old man's business for no good reason, other than they come from big bad government.

Then, in the actual article, we see that there were actually several reasons why Mr. Wallace would have been investigated and then had action brought against him.

Don't interpret this as supporting the DEA. I'm just saying it's pretty damn obvious that Reason left out some very damning evidence.

Um, ya'll are taking a Reason article to be the absolute truth. It might be true, but I sure as hell wouldn't believe the source.

Rev.K: The Reason article is written in such a way that it makes it look like the DEA trampled an 88-year old man's business for no good reason, other than they come from big bad government.

Then, in the actual article, we see that there were actually several reasons why Mr. Wallace would have been investigated and then had action brought against him.

Don't interpret this as supporting the DEA. I'm just saying it's pretty damn obvious that Reason left out some very damning evidence.

Agreed. Sucks though, it's a really good product.

Secret plan G1: have various governmental agencies continually do stuff that enrages the populace just enough to distract them, thereby preventing the masses from thinking about the big picture and realizing how really, really farked they are.

Control of an Element huh. I wonder what they think of the Ammonia and Chlorine I have under my kitchen sink.

In the DEA's defense, it is odorless, tasteless, and dissolves instantly in liquid and is among the more deadly poisons known to man.

This is why you have sign in blood for cold medicine.

Punishing the innocent for the behavior of the guilty. Why? Because it's easier and it looks you're doing something. Same for the farking TSA.

If it weren't for DHMO, Natalie Wood would be alive today.

Looks like he'll need to send out smurfs to get his iodine tablets

GAT_00: Um, ya'll are taking a Reason article to be the absolute truth. It might be true, but I sure as hell wouldn't believe the source.

STFU hillbilly.

"If Mr. Wallace is no longer in business he has perhaps become part of that collateral damage, for it was not a result of DEA regulations, but rather the selfish actions of criminal opportunists. Individuals that readily sacrifice human lives for money." --Barbara Carreno, DEA spokeswoman

How farking disingenuous is that? Gah.