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2011-11-23 11:25:33 AM
Aldon Smith will go down as the best player from this class. Book it, done. The guy is turning into an absolute monster.
 
2011-11-23 11:28:54 AM
Torrey Smith was about 3 dreads from tying Green's TDs and getting near his yardage. Certainly less consistent than Green though.
 
2011-11-23 11:41:20 AM
Give him 2 years. Von Miller will be a terror.
 
2011-11-23 11:48:33 AM
Von Miller, LB, Denver Broncos. Farking stallion!

//Part of the REAL reason the Broncos are mediocre instead of horrible.
 
2011-11-23 11:50:26 AM
Once he got the system down, Danny Watkins as been pretty good. Jason Kelce's been pretty solid too.
 
2011-11-23 12:05:49 PM
Von Miller is a BEAST. Look at how bad the Aggie's D is this year without him.
He will go down as one of the best pass rushers of all time. He's a pro-bowler this year and should be rookie of the year.

Agree with Brooks Reed too. Mario Williams is a freak, but to be honest, Brooks read is almost as good a pass rusher and a better all around package. I almost think it's worth Houston considering dumping Williams in the off season considering how often he's injured and how much money he costs.
 
2011-11-23 12:12:01 PM
I wish Julio Jones would stay healthy.
 
2011-11-23 12:33:03 PM
Moore for the raiders is playing really well, had a couple huge games.

What a great year for rookies.
 
2011-11-23 12:41:43 PM
k4mi: Von Miller is a BEAST. Look at how bad the Aggie's D is this year without him.
He will go down as one of the best pass rushers of all time. He's a pro-bowler this year and should be rookie of the year.


Agreed wholeheartedly. He has a chance to eventually be considered among the best linebackers of all time...and that's a pretty big statement coming from a Ravens fan.

Deneb81: Torrey Smith was about 3 dreads from tying Green's TDs and getting near his yardage. Certainly less consistent than Green though.

If he can develop that consistency when it comes to catching the damn ball (and to a lesser extent, Flacco can be more consistent in putting it in a catchable spot), I legitimately think Smith could produce Randy Moss-like numbers.

/For those who didn't notice (which would be anyone who didn't watch the game carefully), Lee Evans returned to action for the Ravens last Sunday. Evans finished 0-0, while Smith hauled in 6 for 165 and a TD.
 
2011-11-23 12:51:20 PM
Why I never pay attention to pre-draft analysis (new window)

/he's not the only one either. There's a number of pre-draft articles about how 2011 was the weakest rookie class in recent history.
 
2011-11-23 12:51:28 PM
Why Would I Read the Article: Aldon Smith will go down as the best player from this class. Book it, done. The guy is turning into an absolute monster.

www.nevertoyieldfoundation.com

This is Cam's LOL face.
 
2011-11-23 01:06:13 PM
Snapper Carr: Why I never pay attention to pre-draft analysis (new window)

/he's not the only one either. There's a number of pre-draft articles about how 2011 was the weakest rookie class in recent history.


I know there were some people, who's opinion I otherwise value, were down on the Bengals selecting Dalton. They were down on his arm strength, mainly. They've been cool enough to admit their mistakes since then, however.
Personally, I thought Dalton was going to be a good QB. Arm strength aside, he's got good decision making abilities, is an accurate passer, and has a lot of competitive fire to him. None of those things are coachable, so I figured he'd have a leg up.

I was WAY wrong on Newton however. I thought he'd be Jamarcus Russell. Turns out he may be the next coming of Steve McNair.
 
2011-11-23 01:18:41 PM
Deneb81: Torrey Smith was about 3 dreads from tying Green's TDs and getting near his yardage. Certainly less consistent than Green though.

The undrafted Doug Baldwin is right there with them, minus the TDs.

Of course, the undrafted former practice squad body Victor Cruz is ahead of all of them... though I guess he's technically not a rookie since he got into a couple of games last year (but never touched the ball).
 
2011-11-23 01:21:17 PM
List definitely fails without Torrey Smith. He had some drop issues, but he's been on point lately, and he's on pace for close to 1,000 yards and 8 or 9 TDs. He's not the offensive ROTY, but he's top 3 in that department, IMO.
 
2011-11-23 01:44:35 PM
LoneDoggie: This is Cam's LOL face.

What will his face look like after Aldon curbstomps him into the turf?
 
2011-11-23 01:47:40 PM
Not sure I would have gone with Brooks Reed over J. J. Watt, who has been incredibly solid for the Texans.
 
2011-11-23 02:02:15 PM
DeMarco Murray's rise cannot be stated enough, even if it's not a Von Miller, A.J. Green, etc. kind of rise. It really helps Romo to have a good running game, which I don't think they've had since...what, Marion Barber, Felix Jones and that other guy all played there at once?
 
2011-11-23 02:03:47 PM
Sorry, it was Julius Jones at that time, not Felix Jones. I think.

/What is with Cowboys and Joneses?
//Jonsii?
 
2011-11-23 02:06:03 PM
They have Kerrigan and Orakpo that can get to the quarterback. That has allowed them to beone of the better defenses in the league.

While they're potential to be amongst the best is certainly there, they most certainly are not at the present time. Of course, it doesn't help that the offense only seems to be on the field for 20 minutes of game time each week.
 
2011-11-23 02:14:21 PM
udeng01: They have Kerrigan and Orakpo that can get to the quarterback. That has allowed them to beone of the better defenses in the league.

While they're potential to be amongst the best is certainly there, they most certainly are not at the present time. Of course, it doesn't help that the offense only seems to be on the field for 20 minutes of game time each week.


Redskins are 14th in the league in yardage and actually 11th in points allowed. They're also 10th in the league in passing defense. When you add in that the Redskins offense is 24th in yards gained, 21st in 3rd down %(Only 36%!) and, most damingly, 24th in Time of Possession per game, saying the Redskins are "one of the better" defenses in the league isn't untrue.
 
2011-11-23 02:20:16 PM
4NSpy: Moore for the raiders is playing really well, had a couple huge games.

What a great year for rookies.


Yep and at the price difference I'd easily take him over AJ Green.
 
2011-11-23 02:23:02 PM
4NSpy: Moore for the raiders is playing really well, had a couple huge games.

What a great year for rookies.


And, btw, how does Stefen Wisniewski not get a mention in that article? He's been starting at G but fills in for Satele at C on a regular basis. He's playing really well at both positions too.
 
2011-11-23 02:24:00 PM
Hey Marcell, watch this! *channel change* Marcell! *channel change* Marcell!
 
2011-11-23 02:50:34 PM
SilentStrider: Once he got the system down, Danny Watkins as been pretty good. Jason Kelce's been pretty solid too.

huh? we watching the same team? these clowns don't belong in the same breath with the others on this list. That is unless the breath is a last dying gasp, like the Eagles playoff chances.
 
2011-11-23 03:00:04 PM
Randall Cobb is there yet (part of it that is simply with our depth you won't play him as much) but I think he'll be considered the steal of the draft in 3 years.
 
2011-11-23 03:21:52 PM
Pratty: DeMarco Murray's rise cannot be stated enough, even if it's not a Von Miller, A.J. Green, etc. kind of rise. It really helps Romo to have a good running game, which I don't think they've had since...what, Marion Barber, Felix Jones and that other guy all played there at once?

I agree. Murray's presence has lifted the entire team in a sort of happy domino effect. Tony has less pressure on him to throw, the O-line seems to be taking pride in their new lil buddy, and everyone just seems to have much higher spirits. Well, except Felix Jones, that is. He's probably none too thrilled.
 
2011-11-23 03:22:07 PM
Newton will win the Rookie of the Year award. I think DeMarco Murray has been the most valuable. The Cowboys are a completely different team with him in the backfield. I don't think you can say the same for the other rookies.
 
2011-11-23 03:27:15 PM
sign_of_Zeta: Randall Cobb is there yet (part of it that is simply with our depth you won't play him as much) but I think he'll be considered the steal of the draft in 3 years.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-11-23 03:28:27 PM
Pratty: DeMarco Murray's rise cannot be stated enough, even if it's not a Von Miller, A.J. Green, etc. kind of rise. It really helps Romo to have a good running game, which I don't think they've had since...what, Marion Barber, Felix Jones and that other guy all played there at once?

Smash, Dash, and Tash, respectively
 
2011-11-23 03:51:43 PM
Dan Bailey for Rookie of the Year.

25-26 Field goals
25-25 extra points
1 game tying FG to send a game to overtime.
2 game winning overtime FG
Rookie Record 6 FG in one game.

Dan Bailey for Rookie of the Year.
 
2011-11-23 03:55:49 PM
GimpyNip: murp0837: Newton will win the Rookie of the Year award. I think DeMarco Murray has been the most valuable. The Cowboys are a completely different team with him in the backfield. I don't think you can say the same for the other rookies.

I've heard the argument that Dalton should win over Newton "because he doesn't turn the ball over".
Huh?
Andy Dalton 15 TD 12 INT 1 Rushing TD 1 Fumble
Cam Newton 12 TD 14 INT 9 Rushing TD 2 Fumble

Dalton 16 TDS 13 Turnovers 1.23 TD/TO ratio
Newton 21 TDs 16 Turnovers 1.31 TD/TO ratio

both are too high but that's not an argument for Dalton.

Newton also has 600 more passing yards and 370 more rushing yards.
On the otherhand Dalton has 4 more wins.


And this number is the only one that matters.
 
2011-11-23 04:08:44 PM
Harv72b: If he can develop that consistency when it comes to catching the damn ball (and to a lesser extent, Flacco can be more consistent in putting it in a catchable spot), I legitimately think Smith could produce Randy Moss-like numbers.

Torrey Smith will never be consistent if his role remains the home run threat. The Ravens tell him 'for a few plays a game, run as fast as you can by the whole defense and we'll take a shot if you're open. Either you catch it or not.' You can never put up consistent numbers on low percentage plays like those. You hit big one game, a dud the next.
 
2011-11-23 04:37:12 PM
GimpyNip: GimpyNip: Dalton 16 TDS 13 Turnovers 1.23 TD/TO ratio
Newton 21 TDs 16 Turnovers 1.31 TD/TO ratio

Addendum

Dalton has 12 INTS, 1 pass fum & 1 Rush Fum
Newton has 14 INTs, 3 pass fum & 2 rush Fum
Dalton - 16TD/14TO = 1.14
Newton - 21TD/19TO = 1.10

Point still stands that "Andy Dalton doesn't turn it over while Newton does" is false. They're basically the same ratio.


Dalton had 3 of those INTs last week (BAL), and 2 more the week before(PIT), so his TD to TO ratio was much better two weeks ago. Probably why people talked about him not turnIng it over.
 
2011-11-23 04:40:42 PM
SlothB77: Harv72b: If he can develop that consistency when it comes to catching the damn ball (and to a lesser extent, Flacco can be more consistent in putting it in a catchable spot), I legitimately think Smith could produce Randy Moss-like numbers.

Torrey Smith will never be consistent if his role remains the home run threat. The Ravens tell him 'for a few plays a game, run as fast as you can by the whole defense and we'll take a shot if you're open. Either you catch it or not.' You can never put up consistent numbers on low percentage plays like those. You hit big one game, a dud the next.


A) he's a rookie without an off-season - depth of skill base takes practice.
B) The Dread-tackle happened on a slant route - not just a man cover sprint.
C) they've used him on more patterns than just 9's and posts as he's had a chance to get experience.
 
2011-11-23 04:45:54 PM
Harv72b: k4mi: Von Miller is a BEAST. Look at how bad the Aggie's D is this year without him.
He will go down as one of the best pass rushers of all time. He's a pro-bowler this year and should be rookie of the year.

Agreed wholeheartedly. He has a chance to eventually be considered among the best linebackers of all time...and that's a pretty big statement coming from a Ravens fan.

Deneb81: Torrey Smith was about 3 dreads from tying Green's TDs and getting near his yardage. Certainly less consistent than Green though.

If he can develop that consistency when it comes to catching the damn ball (and to a lesser extent, Flacco can be more consistent in putting it in a catchable spot), I legitimately think Smith could produce Randy Moss-like numbers.

/For those who didn't notice (which would be anyone who didn't watch the game carefully), Lee Evans returned to action for the Ravens last Sunday. Evans finished 0-0, while Smith hauled in 6 for 165 and a TD.


As a ravens fan... Umm no. Moss put up 17TDs as a rookie. That's ridiculous. Stupid. 3 times what Torrey has now falls short.

Torrey might be the next Mike Wallace though.
 
2011-11-23 04:54:01 PM
So are the rookies this good, or did the lockout affect the veterans that much?
 
2011-11-23 05:00:18 PM
Von Miller is excellent and will be for a long time, but he's also getting some boost by being on the opposite end as Elvis Dumervil. Teams can't double team both of them.
 
2011-11-23 05:00:59 PM
HaywoodJablonski: So are the rookies this good, or did the lockout affect the veterans that much?

Rookies don't have huge contracts to sit on, if they want their big paydays now they'll have to earn them.

Not like the old days:

i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-23 05:51:02 PM
Sin_City_Superhero: I wish Julio Jones would stay healthy.

He's on your team too, huh? I have Ryan and Jones, so when they're both clicking it's a wonder to watch, especially against great O lines. Jones is the next Reggie Wayne if he can stay healthy.
 
2011-11-23 05:51:52 PM
caddisfly: Sin_City_Superhero: I wish Julio Jones would stay healthy.

He's on your team too, huh? I have Ryan and Jones, so when they're both clicking it's a wonder to watch, especially against great OD lines. Jones is the next Reggie Wayne if he can stay healthy.


FTFM
 
2011-11-23 07:12:21 PM
Cam Newton vs top 1/3 of the league passing defenses:

95/164 (58%), 1244 yds, 4 TD, 8 INT, 69.7 passer rating, 1-3 record (win against JAX, the 12th best passing D)

Maybe they should actually try running the ball against those teams. Nope, Cam throws it pretty, so let's continue to hurt the team by having him throw against good defenses!

Dalton isn't better; he's 72/125 for 770 yards, 4 TD and 6 INT with a 2-2 record (thanks again, Jags!) The only other win the Bengals got against a top passing defense was against Cleveland, thanks in part to the fact that it's the Browns...and the fact that they limited Dalton to just 15 passes in that game.

Every single game where Dalton or Newton have gone for over 300 yards, they've lost. Why? In those five games they've accounted for 7 TD and 8 INT.

In Newton's 400+ yard games, they passed nearly 50 times each game instead of using their two RBs, who each had fewer than 10 carries. They either had the lead or were within a score for all but a few minutes of both games. Why do coaches have to lose their damn minds every time they get a QB who can make some plays?

In the Arizona game, the Panthers ran the ball with a RB THREE times in the fourth quarter as the Cardinals came back from 7 down to win by 7. They gained 6 yards, 6 yards, and -1 yard (on a first down run). They ran the ball intentionally 0 times once they were down a TD with 7+ minutes to go. That's idiotic.

Against Chicago, they're down 1 in the 4th and get gifted a possession in Chicago territory thanks to a Cutler pick. What do they do? How about incompletion, incompletion, incompletion, missed FG? Williams and Stewart each averaged over 6 YPC against the Bears. Give 'em the f*cking ball! Again, they're down less than a TD for nearly the entire fourth quarter...number of runs? One, for two yards.

You want to talk offenses that DON'T f*cking work with rookie QBs? Relying on them to win the game for you doesn't work.
 
2011-11-23 08:25:34 PM
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"Hey guise, what's going on in this thread?"

/bust
 
2011-11-23 10:50:40 PM
Deneb81: As a ravens fan... Umm no. Moss put up 17TDs as a rookie. That's ridiculous. Stupid. 3 times what Torrey has now falls short.

Torrey might be the next Mike Wallace though.


Not this season, what I meant is long-term. Moss averaged about 1150 yards & 11 TDs per season over his career; those are numbers I could see Smith hitting (with the caveats above).
 
2011-11-23 11:59:43 PM
sign_of_Zeta: Randall Cobb is there yet (part of it that is simply with our depth you won't play him as much) but I think he'll be considered the steal of the draft in 3 years.

This...

www.wkdp.com

... is his face, when he found out he be catching passes from the best QB in the league right now, and for the foreseeable future.
 
2011-11-24 12:19:06 AM
GimpyNip: Oh FML, Fred Jackson out vs Jets and possibly rest of season. Down goes my Fantasy Team

Oh noes! I mean, not about your fantasy team, like I freakin care, but I do like Fred Jackson. He's a cool cat. :((((((
 
2011-11-24 09:23:19 AM
GimpyNip: I think the problem is you're comparing him to Randy Moss. I saw Moss's rookie season. Torrey Smith is not having anything close to Moss's rookie season. Now, obviously you didn't mean to imply he was but you can't compare WR X and say 'hey, this rookie could be like the greatest WR of all time who also had the greatest rookie WR season of all time' without catching heat for the hyperbole.

I compared him to Randy Moss, not Jerry Rice. :p

But it's a fair point, perhaps I was a bit overzealous. Can we amend "Randy Moss-like numbers" to read "Pro Bowl-type numbers"?
 
2011-11-24 10:14:50 AM
Btw, wtf did the Thanksgiving football thread get pulled?
 
2011-11-24 11:26:25 AM
ZMugg: sign_of_Zeta: Randall Cobb is there yet (part of it that is simply with our depth you won't play him as much) but I think he'll be considered the steal of the draft in 3 years.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 360x269]


"Well, Sailor figures if life gets too shiatty, he'd just pull the pin, and see what's next."
 
2011-11-25 03:14:25 AM
IAmRight: In the Arizona game, the Panthers ran the ball with a RB THREE times in the fourth quarter as the Cardinals came back from 7 down to win by 7. They gained 6 yards, 6 yards, and -1 yard (on a first down run). They ran the ball intentionally 0 times once they were down a TD with 7+ minutes to go. That's idiotic.

Against Chicago, they're down 1 in the 4th and get gifted a possession in Chicago territory thanks to a Cutler pick. What do they do? How about incompletion, incompletion, incompletion, missed FG? Williams and Stewart each averaged over 6 YPC against the Bears. Give 'em the f*cking ball! Again, they're down less than a TD for nearly the entire fourth quarter...number of runs? One, for two yards.

You want to talk offenses that DON'T f*cking work with rookie QBs? Relying on them to win the game for you doesn't work.


To further elaborate: The Packers have the best QB in the league right now. With a lead over the Lions in the 4th quarter, they ran the ball frequently. Why can't teams with rookie QBs be smart enough to just run the ball on occasion in the 4th with a lead?
 
2011-11-25 11:49:37 AM
GimpyNip

Sorry,....Randy Moss had the TALENT to be the best ever, but not the head for it. And this is coming from a Vikings fan. As much as I hate the Niners, Rice is it.
 
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