Well, here's hoping it does.
And not in a nice and slow way.

they should all be facing a charge of criminal conspiracy of obstruction of justice.

If my employer had a policy of handling felonies internally, they would face charges.
Planning to cover up before or after the fact is a crime.

Screw them all.

PA open records law



/ you mean the same PA open records law that every OTHER university in PA has to adhere to ?

I don't think any of you read the point of the article.

DISCLAIMER: I am in no way defending PSU. I'm probably one of the few alums who is advocating shutting down the entire football program after this season until Sandusky's trial is over and everyone guilty (or not) is judged accordingly.

Spanier's whole "this will cost too much" argument is complete shiat. Most other public schools comply with this and have to deal with the expenses. Just get a few good lawyers and figure out how to throw away the requests from the "lizard people" wackjobs. That will cut out most of your costs. Then just make sure you don't cover up a child rape ring and you won't get record requests on things like that.

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veedeevadeevoodee: PA open records law

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/ you mean the same PA open records law that every OTHER university in PA has to adhere to ?

Except Pitt, Temple, and others.

iron_city_ap:

Except Pitt, Temple, and others Lincoln

/ FTFY ... and you are correct, sir

It's going to be really interesting when they turn around and say while they don't have to comply with PA FOIA, they have sovereign immunity to limit their liability per claim.

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Bwahahaha

Wasn't there a kerfluffle a few years ago about JoePa's salary that was along the same lines?

GaryPDX: I heard all judges in that jurisdiction have removed themselves..is that true?

All 5 Centre Cty judges have recused themselves due to association with Second Mile.

MFAWG: Wasn't there a kerfluffle a few years ago about JoePa's salary that was along the same lines?

That's where the quote is pulled from, a 2007 statement that was given in the context of not having to give up JoePa's salary information. The Philadelphia Inquirer was just referencing it in light of the university's similar protestations now that everyone found out about all the child rape stuff.

MFAWG: Wasn't there a kerfluffle a few years ago about JoePa's salary that was along the same lines?

That was actually one of the things that drove the exemption request. Reporters wanted to know, Penn St. said "fark you no" and reporters submitted FOIA request. Penn St. then turned around and asked for FOIA exemption and got it, which is pretty shocking.

All arguments for exemption are false. Cost? You can charge reasonable document duplication and retreival costs to the requestor. Research / development secrets? You can redact darn near anything that has proprietary or trade secrets or intellectual property. I don't wanna? Tough, you're an entity of state government, everyone else has to, so do you. If you don't like it go private and stop making the taxpayers support your godawful middle-of-the-Big10 crap-pack football team.

To me, this is the second-most bothersome aspect of the whole sordid affair. It's that a university would be managed with such cold-blooded arrogance that it gets to dictate the operational matters to be hidden from the public.
Screw that.
Bring ALL the courts down on your ass.
The Sandusky affair is a symptom of your downfall, Penn State, not the cause.

cefm: I don't wanna? Tough, you're an entity of state government, everyone else has to, so do you. If you don't like it go private and stop making the taxpayers support your godawful middle-of-the-Big10 crap-pack football team.


Read the farking article you jackass. PSU's argument was that they receive very little support from the state (10% or less) so they felt it would be unreasonable burden to place on them. Their contention was, if you want full compliance as if PSU is a public entity, then the state should FUND PSU (the proposed budget for next year cuts state funding to PSU by 52%) as if it's a public entity instead of providing it with the nominal level of funding it currently receives. Hell, the amount of research money PSU brings in and spends per year dwarfs ($650-$800 Million) whatever support it receives from the state gov't. Taxpayer's aren't supporting shiat.

veedeevadeevoodee: PA open records law

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/ you mean the same PA open records law that every OTHER university in PA has to adhere to ?

Um, FTFA other Universities in PA are exempt:

That's because the sweeping right-to-know law enacted in 2008 explicitly exempts Penn State and the other state-related universities - Temple, Lincoln, and Pitt.

But don't the facts get in the way... Close the entire University because of athletics.
/ Quit foot ball yes
// Academics no

cefm: Tough, you're an entity of state government,

Um, try again -- Penn State is a State Related (Meaning The University has it's own Control). To be precise, Penn State is a land grant university

JK47: cefm: I don't wanna? Tough, you're an entity of state government, everyone else has to, so do you. If you don't like it go private and stop making the taxpayers support your godawful middle-of-the-Big10 crap-pack football team.


Read the farking article you jackass. PSU's argument was that they receive very little support from the state (10% or less) so they felt it would be unreasonable burden to place on them. Their contention was, if you want full compliance as if PSU is a public entity, then the state should FUND PSU (the proposed budget for next year cuts state funding to PSU by 52%) as if it's a public entity instead of providing it with the nominal level of funding it currently receives. Hell, the amount of research money PSU brings in and spends per year dwarfs ($650-$800 Million) whatever support it receives from the state gov't. Taxpayer's aren't supporting shiat.

Good. Now they shouldn't claim that liabilties should be limited because they are a "STATE" entitiy.

JK47: Read the farking article you jackass. PSU's argument was that they receive very little support from the state (10% or less) so they felt it would be unreasonable burden to place on them. Their contention was, if you want full compliance as if PSU is a public entity, then the state should FUND PSU (the proposed budget for next year cuts state funding to PSU by 52%) as if it's a public entity instead of providing it with the nominal level of funding it currently receives. Hell, the amount of research money PSU brings in and spends per year dwarfs ($650-$800 Million) whatever support it receives from the state gov't. Taxpayer's aren't supporting shiat.

Then they should turn down the state funding they do receive. It may be less than 10% but it's still more than $200m/yr, and in return they want to provide zero accountability.

Penn State lawyers claimed that PA open records law would fark them in the ass find them in the Alps

// how am I the first?

nekom: feuerwehrmann: Um, try again -- Penn State is a State Related (Meaning The University has it's own Control). To be precise, Penn State is a land grant university

I like how they get some of my taxpayer money, but I don't get to know what they do with it. I think it's an awesome arrangement that TOTALLY won't result in any sort of cover ups or crimes or anything.

Seriously, what kind of shell game is this? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you're accountable or GTFO of my money.

The budget is open and public (as stated ITFA)

you can view it here: http://www.budget.psu.edu/openbudget/ new window

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damn that is funny.

JK47: cefm: I don't wanna? Tough, you're an entity of state government, everyone else has to, so do you. If you don't like it go private and stop making the taxpayers support your godawful middle-of-the-Big10 crap-pack football team.


Read the farking article you jackass. PSU's argument was that they receive very little support from the state (10% or less) so they felt it would be unreasonable burden to place on them. Their contention was, if you want full compliance as if PSU is a public entity, then the state should FUND PSU (the proposed budget for next year cuts state funding to PSU by 52%) as if it's a public entity instead of providing it with the nominal level of funding it currently receives. Hell, the amount of research money PSU brings in and spends per year dwarfs ($650-$800 Million) whatever support it receives from the state gov't. Taxpayer's aren't supporting shiat.

They need to take the money they were going to pay the AD, Paterno, and anyone else they fire with cause, and use it to hire the legal team.

"This bill does far more than feed the prurient interests of newspaper editors who are looking for a headline about how much Coach Paterno makes," he warned.

Prurient?

skrame: grabs thesaurus.

salacious, licentious, voyeuristic, lascivious, lecherous, libidinous, lubricious; formal concupiscent.

Oh, that clears it up. :)

video man: I always thought that Penn State was a public school, until I read it was this pseudo-public entity. What the hell Pennsylvania?

Next you will tell me that the University of Pennsylvania is a private school as well.

What the hell indeed.

The entire university should be abolished, there is no more PSU, it is nothing more than a memory.

Send the professors packing, send the students home, you should have thought about it before you started molesting young children.

Every day that PSU exists is a stain upon our nation.

TravisBickle62: The entire university should be abolished, there is no more PSU, it is nothing more than a memory.

Send the professors packing, send the students home, you should have thought about it before you started molesting young children.

Every day that PSU exists is a stain upon our nation.

This. This scandal extends to the whole university, not just the football program or the athletic department. SMU was given the death penalty for a grand total of $61k. Yes, they were on probation already but PennState covered for a criminal for close to 15 years.

Good!

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No you don't. That's fine already.

TravisBickle62: The entire university should be abolished, there is no more PSU, it is nothing more than a memory.

Send the professors packing, send the students home, you should have thought about it before you started molesting young children.

Every day that PSU exists is a stain upon our nation.

TravisBickle: "I don't over-react much, but when I do, I go effing nuts."

ddam: TravisBickle62: The entire university should be abolished, there is no more PSU, it is nothing more than a memory.

Send the professors packing, send the students home, you should have thought about it before you started molesting young children.

Every day that PSU exists is a stain upon our nation.

This. This scandal extends to the whole university, not just the football program or the athletic department. SMU was given the death penalty for a grand total of $61k. Yes, they were on probation already but PennState covered for a criminal for close to 15 years.

Penn State football program > serial child rape

Prove me wrong, Penn State, I dare you.

skrame:
TravisBickle62: The entire university should be abolished, there is no more PSU, it is nothing more than a memory.

Send the professors packing, send the students home, you should have thought about it before you started molesting young children.

Every day that PSU exists is a stain upon our nation.

TravisBickle: "I don't over-react much, but when I do, I go effing nuts."

What should the penalty be for covering for child rapist for 15 years? If covering for a criminal for 15 years doesn't reflect a systemic problem with Penn State I don't know what does.

UNC_Samurai: GaryPDX: I heard all judges in that jurisdiction have removed themselves..is that true?

All 5 Centre Cty judges have recused themselves due to association with Second Mile.

They hag yo be whacked with a national media 2X4 after one of them let Sandusky out on bail to get his last batch of boys butt raped before he goes to prison, but they finally recused themselves.


WE ARE!

video man: I always thought that Penn State was a public school, until I read it was this pseudo-public entity. What the hell Pennsylvania?

You can ask all 50 states and associated territories the same question. (new window)

Also, for those saying the University needs to go away because the administration covered for Jerry Sandusky...just DIAF. Stop painting with a broad brush. If the administration and faculty would be cleared out (I'm looking at you, too, Michael Mann), then that's sufficient for me.

/PSU Alum
//Went there for the Engineering school

SemiSpook: If the administration and faculty would be cleared out (I'm looking at you, too, Michael Mann), then that's sufficient for me.

What Penn State people think is "sufficient" doesnt always match what the rest of the world thinks is "sufficient". See the upcoming PSU handbook *What to do when kids are being raped in our showers by one of us* for more details. You cant miss it. There is a blue ribbon on the cover.

mikaloyd: SemiSpook: If the administration and faculty would be cleared out (I'm looking at you, too, Michael Mann), then that's sufficient for me.

What Penn State people think is "sufficient" doesnt always match what the rest of the world thinks is "sufficient". See the upcoming PSU handbook *What to do when kids are being raped in our showers by one of us* for more details. You cant miss it. There is a blue ribbon on the cover.

I've already stopped paying any more cash to them. I hope Jerry Sandusky and those willing and unwilling accomplices rot in hell. Even though I may bleed blue and white, and I wouldn't be where I am today without that education, don't think for one second that EVERY SINGLE GRAD is happy with this situation. There are a lot of people there that could care less about football, or the University for that matter.

Ultimately, the SYSTEM failed those kids. Whether that's Commonwealth law, University policy, or local ordinance, it FAILED. It's ugly, it's embarrassing, and it's disgusting, but the judgment needs to be targeted towards the perpetrators of the crimes, and not this whole "guilt by association" crap. I, for one, am sick and tired of it.

Penn State is NOT Joe Paterno, nor is it Graham Spanier, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz, or any of the other players in this fiasco. Again, stop painting with the damned broad brush and feeding into the meme that we're all child rapists and in on the conspiracy to protect the cash cow that is Penn State football. Never spent much time on the east part of campus during my time there, personally, and now finding out what WAS going there, I'm glad I didn't.

/Also, take your "handbook" and shove it up your arse. Not even sure if that's snark, but that just fails basic common decency.
//Take a look in the mirror next time you want to lecture morals to someone; everyone on the outside is just as guilty for whipping up this feeding frenzy as they are on the inside.

SemiSpook: //Take a look in the mirror next time you want to lecture morals to someone; everyone on the outside is just as guilty for whipping up this feeding frenzy as they are on the inside.

So everyone everywhere is now Sandusky in your book?

Penn State is NOT Joe Paterno, nor is it Graham Spanier, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz, or any of the other players in this fiasco. Again, stop painting with the damned broad brush and feeding into the meme that we're all child rapists and in on the conspiracy to protect the cash cow that is Penn State football. Never spent much time on the east part of campus during my time there, personally, and now finding out what WAS going there, I'm glad I didn't.

/Also, take your "handbook" and shove it up your arse. Not even sure if that's snark, but that just fails basic common decency.

And speaking of blue ribbon coverups of Sandusky, here they are covering up Sandusky on the mural of Penn State heroes. They put a blue ribbon in his sread.





JoePa is still there though. Overseeing the blue ribbon I suppose.

I wonder what the diseased tentacles in the mural represent?

ddam: skrame:
TravisBickle62: The entire university should be abolished, there is no more PSU, it is nothing more than a memory.

Send the professors packing, send the students home, you should have thought about it before you started molesting young children.

Every day that PSU exists is a stain upon our nation.

TravisBickle: "I don't over-react much, but when I do, I go effing nuts."

What should the penalty be for covering for child rapist for 15 years? If covering for a criminal for 15 years doesn't reflect a systemic problem with Penn State I don't know what does.

I haven't been on for a few days, so you'll probably never see this response. But just in case:

How about punishing all of the guilty people, and not those who are innocent? Get rid of everyone who is guilty. Lock 'em up. But the "system" isn't guilty. Did any professors do anything wrong? Did all of the students? Don't displace those providing and those striving for higher education. They are doing nothing but right.