Can I try my dady joke again in this thread and see if anyone gets it?

stvdallas: As for the pepper spraying, I have no problems with the police using it when the protesters won't stop blocking major streets here in Seattle when asked to vacate. The protesters had a permit to protest, but that permit wasn't for standing in the street blocking traffic during rush hour.

Police are only allowed to use pepper spray to prevent violence against themselves or others or to subdue someone resisting arrest or escaping. They are not allowed to use it on people who are not being violent prior to an arrest attempt.

If this woman was lying about having a miscarriage, then that means that we should end all regulations on investment banks and cut taxes for the richest 1% even more.

Not even a dozen posts and already someone is praising the cops for macing a pedestrian who was jaywalking, loitering and/or obstructing traffic.

I THOUGHT YOU WHERE A FAT CHICK
THEN I REALIZED YOU WHERE PREGNANT
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FUNNY IF YOUR BABY DIED
SO I KICKED YOU IN THE STOMACH

I KICKED YOU, YOUR BABY'S DEAD
I KICKED YOU, YOUR BABY'S DEAD
I KICKED YOU, YOUR BABY'S DEAD
HA HA HA YOUR BABY'S DEAD

THERE WERE NO STAIRS TO THROW YOU DOWN
THERE WAS NO ROOF TO THROUGH YOU OFF
THERE WERE NO COAT HANGERS AROUND
SO I KICKED YOU IN THE STOMACH

I KICKED YOU, YOUR BABY'S DEAD
I KICKED YOU, YOUR BABY'S DEAD
I KICKED YOU, YOUR BABY'S DEAD
HA HA HA YOUR BABY'S DEAD

"It's not the accuracy of the report, it's the seriousness of the charge."

sirgrim: sprawl15: Police are only allowed to use pepper spray to prevent violence against themselves or others or to subdue someone resisting arrest or escaping. They are not allowed to use it on people who are not being violent prior to an arrest attempt.

This is what you actually believe? That's adorable.

He's right. Of course the police do whatever the fark they want with little consequence outside of a paid two week vacation, but he's right.

Lot of wannabe brown shirts in this thread.

sprawl15: stvdallas: As for the pepper spraying, I have no problems with the police using it when the protesters won't stop blocking major streets here in Seattle when asked to vacate. The protesters had a permit to protest, but that permit wasn't for standing in the street blocking traffic during rush hour.

Police are only allowed to use pepper spray to prevent violence against themselves or others or to subdue someone resisting arrest or escaping. They are not allowed to use it on people who are not being violent prior to an arrest attempt.

Aww, but why should a good police officer have to strain his arms trying to haul protesters from the scene of an alleged crime?

An OWS Attention Whore? Clearly, she is plant by Fox News and paid for by the Koch brothers.

Wyalt Derp: Can I try my dady joke again in this thread and see if anyone gets it?

Please do, because I don't want to sift through 700 posts in the other thread to find it.

sirgrim: This is what you actually believe? That's adorable.

serial_crusher: Is this "allowed" in the sense that there are written rules about it [citation needed]?

From here:
a federal appeals court ruled in the case of North Coast logging protesters that officers can legally use the caustic chemical only to prevent harm to themselves or someone else.

The California Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training, which advises police agencies and officers statewide, says pepper spray "can have very serious and debilitating consequences," and "should only be generally used as a defensive weapon" and never to intimidate or retaliate.

Gulper Eel: Jennifer Fox, 19, said Monday that at three months pregnant, she had miscarried her child, a girl who she was planning to name "Miracle Tawana Brawley."

Fixed for the proud non-mommy.

The attack is real, and on camera. So try again.

stvdallas: Seriously, can someone who supports this woman please explain to me why continuing to support what is an obvious fabrication is productive to the OWS cause?

It's not even about OWS it's how police treat people period. There's been not one place where cops coming out in riot gear has been justified, and in every place it's happened it's turned into a total mess. Instead of just letting people protest you have cities sending out cops because apparently some people don't get to enjoy first amendment protections.

serial_crusher: sprawl15: stvdallas: As for the pepper spraying, I have no problems with the police using it when the protesters won't stop blocking major streets here in Seattle when asked to vacate. The protesters had a permit to protest, but that permit wasn't for standing in the street blocking traffic during rush hour.

Police are only allowed to use pepper spray to prevent violence against themselves or others or to subdue someone resisting arrest or escaping. They are not allowed to use it on people who are not being violent prior to an arrest attempt.

Is this "allowed" in the sense that there are written rules about it [citation needed]? Or did you just mean that in your personal opinion that's the only time it should be allowed?

It falls under excessive force. See: Headwaters v. Humboldt. It's no more allowed than a policeman beating you with his Maglite because you're jaywalking.

sirgrim: sprawl15: Police are only allowed to use pepper spray to prevent violence against themselves or others or to subdue someone resisting arrest or escaping. They are not allowed to use it on people who are not being violent prior to an arrest attempt.

This is what you actually believe? That's adorable.

Hehe I know. I'm with you, police should be allowed to use whatever force they deem necessary. Like if a protester won't voluntarily handcuff himself and a cop decides to shoot him in the face, that's totally fine because they were committing a crime so the cop gets to punish them on the spot. That's how this country works, why doesn't sprawl15 know that? I mean really Judge Dredd was a non fiction movie.

I'm going to get a bit loud for a second, so forgive me.

The police are not there to punish people. The police are not there to deal pain to people who commit crimes or disrupt the peace. If you think the protesters "deserved it," and that they got properly punished, not dispersed or detained or otherwise removed legally, by the police, then you are a farking fascist who doesn't believe in the rule of law or the ideals of due process upon which this nation was founded. It is not the place of the police to hurt people because they do something wrong. Punishment is a judicial issue, not an enforcement issue.

elchip: I THOUGHT YOU WHERE A FAT CHICK
THEN I REALIZED YOU WHERE PREGNANT
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FUNNY IF YOUR BABY DIED
SO I KICKED YOU IN THE STOMACH

I KICKED YOU, YOUR BABY'S DEAD
I KICKED YOU, YOUR BABY'S DEAD
I KICKED YOU, YOUR BABY'S DEAD
HA HA HA YOUR BABY'S DEAD

THERE WERE NO STAIRS TO THROW YOU DOWN
THERE WAS NO ROOF TO THROUGH YOU OFF
THERE WERE NO COAT HANGERS AROUND
SO I KICKED YOU IN THE STOMACH

I KICKED YOU, YOUR BABY'S DEAD
I KICKED YOU, YOUR BABY'S DEAD
I KICKED YOU, YOUR BABY'S DEAD
HA HA HA YOUR BABY'S DEAD

lol \m/

WhyteRaven74: It's not even about OWS it's how police treat people period. There's been not one place where cops coming out in riot gear has been justified, and in every place it's happened it's turned into a total mess. Instead of just letting people protest you have cities sending out cops because apparently some people don't get to enjoy first amendment protections.

Police forces need to justify swat teams and riot gear.

Whether it is a swat team with a no-knock warrant at 3am for a worthless drug dealer or 4 dozen officers in riot gear teargassing and pepper spraying people that have decided to camp in a park for two months.

Sure, they might go in to the wrong house and shoot an Iraqi war veteran or they might pepper spray non-violent protesters...but, come on, who cares?

The overall reaction from the super-authoritarian smackdown to massively non-violent protests is extremely small. And, there is a large enough percentage of the population that is ok with the response that it won't matter. It'll get brushed under the rug and drowned out by Christmas and we'll all move along to the next big story.

sprawl15: stvdallas: As for the pepper spraying, I have no problems with the police using it when the protesters won't stop blocking major streets here in Seattle when asked to vacate. The protesters had a permit to protest, but that permit wasn't for standing in the street blocking traffic during rush hour.

Police are only allowed to use pepper spray to prevent violence against themselves or others or to subdue someone resisting arrest or escaping. They are not allowed to use it on people who are not being violent prior to an arrest attempt.

Citation Needed.jpg

Is that your own version of their rules, or is that based on reading some police manual someplace? If it's true, how do you know?

WhyteRaven74: stvdallas: Seriously, can someone who supports this woman please explain to me why continuing to support what is an obvious fabrication is productive to the OWS cause?

It's not even about OWS it's how police treat people period. There's been not one place where cops coming out in riot gear has been justified, and in every place it's happened it's turned into a total mess. Instead of just letting people protest you have cities sending out cops because apparently some people don't get to enjoy first amendment protections.

So let's fabricate because it's a good cause and all.

/Didn't work out so well for Dan Rather either.

Koch plant.

Once again:

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OWS has legitimate gripes (income inequality, no chance at economic mobility, yadda). This woman has a legitimate gripe (while nonviolently protesting, she was pepper sprayed).

That's bad enough. Adding a (possibly) fake pregnancy only tugs at the heartstrings and is logically irrelevant to the movement.

It allows the media to put a "human face" on the story, and it allows this woman to get her mug all over the news (and possibly donations, which she likely needs anyway for medical care and housing), and it opens the door for all manner of asshats to claim that a homeless pregnant woman should be nowhere near a protest (is 10km far enough?), that she shouldn't be near cops, that she shouldn't have been out of the kitchen...

...all taking focus from the actual argument.

You're not helping the OWS movement, ma'am. Sorry for your loss.

// any cop who pepper-sprays should have to go through the same hearings/investigations as when they their weapons

The police are over stepping lawful boundaries. That's going to bring a ton more violence towards them. -shrugs- It's the way of the mob.

Pizza sauce can NOT be a veggie. It's made from a fruit ya doinks. ROFL!

Bloody William: I'm going to get a bit loud for a second, so forgive me.

The police are not there to punish people. The police are not there to deal pain to people who commit crimes or disrupt the peace. If you think the protesters "deserved it," and that they got properly punished, not dispersed or detained or otherwise removed legally, by the police, then you are a farking fascist who doesn't believe in the rule of law or the ideals of due process upon which this nation was founded. It is not the place of the police to hurt people because they do something wrong. Punishment is a judicial issue, not an enforcement issue.

That sounds good, however if someone is actively resisting (even if it's just trying to stay in the same sitting position when someone tries to pick them up), they've crossed the line into using physical force against an officer.

Say I'm laying on the ground, and an officer cuffs me and tries to pick me up. If I wriggle about out of his grasp and lay back down on the ground, I've used my physical force to escape him. It really is that simple. Even if you're being nonviolent, once you use force to escape an officer in any way, you're subject to force being used on you.

Its sad that ol' Jennifer was lying about being knocked up, now we have to call off the search to find the man who was brave enough to bang that ditch pig. She still has plenty of time to get knocked up and have all the dirty, unemployable children like herself that she wants to.

stvdallas: GAT_00: Well, that makes pepper spraying her in the face totally acceptable then.

Well, that's an entirely different issue from the story at hand here....which is her "claim" that she was kicked and pepper sprayed. No videos have surfaced of her being kicked, even though pretty much every protester here at Occupy Seattle has a camera phone just for such an occasion as this.

As for the pepper spraying, I have no problems with the police using it when the protesters won't stop blocking major streets here in Seattle when asked to vacate. The protesters had a permit to protest, but that permit wasn't for standing in the street blocking traffic during rush hour.

Well, that's not what pepper spray is for, but it's always nice when fascists out themselves.

Boxingoutsider: Say I'm laying on the ground, and an officer cuffs me and tries to pick me up. If I wriggle about out of his grasp and lay back down on the ground, I've used my physical force to escape him. It really is that simple. Even if you're being nonviolent, once you use force to escape an officer in any way, you're subject to force being used on you.

And, the reasonable escalation of force is to pepper spray people?

sprawl15 2011-11-23 09:27:16 AM

Police are only allowed to use pepper spray to prevent violence against themselves or others or to subdue someone resisting arrest or escaping. They are not allowed to use it on people who are not being violent prior to an arrest attempt.

It would be great to live in your fantasy world. Just flip on COPs and watch what happens to the people who do not comply with police orders.

stvdallas: GAT_00: Well, that makes pepper spraying her in the face totally acceptable then.

Well, that's an entirely different issue from the story at hand here....which is her "claim" that she was kicked and pepper sprayed. No videos have surfaced of her being kicked, even though pretty much every protester here at Occupy Seattle has a camera phone just for such an occasion as this.

As for the pepper spraying, I have no problems with the police using it when the protesters won't stop blocking major streets here in Seattle when asked to vacate. The protesters had a permit to protest, but that permit wasn't for standing in the street blocking traffic during rush hour.

THIS

TheCruxOfTheBiscuitIsTheApostrophe: So let's fabricate because it's a good cause and all.

What happened to her was recorded, her personal details don't matter, what was done to her matters.

Guidette Frankentits 2011-11-23 09:56:40 AM

Koch Krotch plant.

/FTFY

Boxingoutsider: Citation Needed.jpg

sprawl15: serial_crusher: sprawl15: stvdallas: As for the pepper spraying, I have no problems with the police using it when the protesters won't stop blocking major streets here in Seattle when asked to vacate. The protesters had a permit to protest, but that permit wasn't for standing in the street blocking traffic during rush hour.

Police are only allowed to use pepper spray to prevent violence against themselves or others or to subdue someone resisting arrest or escaping. They are not allowed to use it on people who are not being violent prior to an arrest attempt.

Is this "allowed" in the sense that there are written rules about it [citation needed]? Or did you just mean that in your personal opinion that's the only time it should be allowed?

It falls under excessive force. See: Headwaters v. Humboldt. It's no more allowed than a policeman beating you with his Maglite because you're jaywalking.

Does that farking answer it for you? The police are beholden to more than police regulations. They have to obey the laws of the land and the jurisprudence based upon it.

Boxingoutsider: Even if you're being nonviolent, once you use force to escape an officer in any way, you're subject to force being used on you.

And the justification for breaking up a peaceful protest is?