ArkAngel: Bunnyhat: ADD and Asperger's?

The two most commonly miss or self diagnosed diseases for kids out there only rivaled by specific food allergies. Color me skeptical.

Not only this, but the supposed sleeping disorder is only speculation at this moment. I fell asleep in class before. It was because I was bored out of my mind

I'm dead certain that playing video games until 2am has nothing to do with it as well ;)

Krieghund: IMO some well meaning but dumb person came up with the brilliant idea of getting him moving and waking him up with the exercise from mowing.

Great idea isn't it? Kid falling asleep? Wear him out mowing the lawn! Brilliant!

He was perhaps sleeping because he had too much sex with teacher? My flame pants are on....

ArkAngel: Bunnyhat: ADD and Asperger's?

The two most commonly miss or self diagnosed diseases for kids out there only rivaled by specific food allergies. Color me skeptical.

Not only this, but the supposed sleeping disorder is only speculation at this moment. I fell asleep in class before. It was because I was bored out of my mind

He's ADD- hyperactive- AND falling asleep? How does that work, exactly?

Is Newt Gingrich the principal here?

/got nothing
//absolutely nothing

Did somebody say ass-burgers?



/Hot like a flame-broiled Whopper.

Stop medical-ising every kid in the US! Labelling kids who are lazy/naughty/stupid does nothing to address these issues which are poor parenting and crap teaching.

you are all missing the point.

If the kid is struggling in class, taking him OUT OF CLASS to mow the lawn as a punishment does what exactly?

cman: "He's 11 years old - a child with a disability - you cannot punish a child for having a disability," said Sloan-Ceron.


You cannot blanket pardon anyone because of a disability, too.

And you can punish him for not taking his meds like he's supposed to, which would have in theory prevented him from falling asleep as a result of the condition.

//Still no cure for falling asleep because the 5th and 6th grades are boring and pointless.

Oznog: ArkAngel: Bunnyhat: ADD and Asperger's?

The two most commonly miss or self diagnosed diseases for kids out there only rivaled by specific food allergies. Color me skeptical.

Not only this, but the supposed sleeping disorder is only speculation at this moment. I fell asleep in class before. It was because I was bored out of my mind

He's ADD- hyperactive- AND falling asleep? How does that work, exactly?

Simple. He runs around like crazy and then suddenly falls asleep, crashing to the ground.
/Also he does look likes he has Asperger's. No this isn't a variation on the "You sound fat" meme. I've been around enough people with it to notice that they look somewhat similar.
//Him not looking at the camera with a somewhat vacant expression helps.

He should head over the the geek tab and brew some COCA LEAF TEA I SAY GOD DAMN!

Sim Tree: And besides all that: mowing the lawn, the hell? The punishment for the kid missing class time is to ... pull him out of more class time every day? I fail to see how that solves anything long-term. How about making him stay after school to cover what he missed?

Yeah, but it's homeroom. So he's going to miss out on the lunch menu announcement and the student-made news. Big deal.

Keeping him after school to cover what he missed would be a better idea, though.

So the student was punished for the teacher being bad enough that students fall asleep in class? Even the most boring subject can be interesting if taught right.

if the kid's falling asleep, pump him full of Ritalin. If he develops anxiety, hook him up with Xanax. the solution to any kind of undesirable behavior is the same: drugs. I won't rest until every American child is diagnosed with some kind of disorder and is prescribed medication. ADD is an epidemic that is sweeping the nation and affecting more and more children every day! it must be stopped!

If you have a better idea to save money in the lawn care budget, I'd like to hear it.

When I was in elementary and middle school, you weren't allowed to walk or bike to school even if you lived 100 yards away. This school has some balls (or nuts possibly) forcing a kid to use a lawnmower. I mean not that kids shouldn't be able to mow the lawn, but schools are usually overly cautious, and you don't want a kid using machinery with blades spinning hundreds of miles an hour while he's falling asleep.

Hope he finds a better doctor and a better school. Those are hopefully the mother's goals.

Oznog: ArkAngel: Bunnyhat: ADD and Asperger's?

The two most commonly miss or self diagnosed diseases for kids out there only rivaled by specific food allergies. Color me skeptical.

Not only this, but the supposed sleeping disorder is only speculation at this moment. I fell asleep in class before. It was because I was bored out of my mind

He's ADD- hyperactive- AND falling asleep? How does that work, exactly?

from the article: Alice Ott Middle School student, 11-year-old Kyron Sloan, has ADD, Asperger's and maybe a medical condition, which doctors are still trying to figure out, causing him to sleep.


make him chew khat. works for those 11 year olds in the diamond mines.

Oznog: He's ADD- hyperactive- AND falling asleep? How does that work, exactly?

Easily. See in actual neurologically evident(can be seen on PET/fMRI) cases of ADHD the Meth they feed patients has a paradoxical effect. It literally slows them down not tweak them out. That's the whole idea behind prescribing such powerful 'stimulant' medications to them.

farking pharmacology, how does it work?

Meh. Everybody has special needs these days. Prescription: Man up.

His mother just found out this was happening to her son.

Sooo let me put this another way, when punishing a kid with a potentially dangerous activity you don't tell the parents? what an idiot. If that kid has allergies that kick off an asthma attack and the kid ends up in the ER unable to breathe, when do you tell the parents THAT tidbit of info?
He's eleven? and mowing a lawn? Our next door kid is eleven, his parents have him mow the lawn. the handle is up to his chin. He struggles to move the damn machine.
Was this kid coming to school wearing work-boots? with steel toes? Like I wear when I'm mowing?
Is anyone observing this kid while he's mowing?

This idiot needs to have a job with no contact or authority over kids . . . like sanitation or the highway department

yeah I know kids these days and uphill in the snow and all that crap - that doesn't count anymore - different world now - who knew you could be allergic to peanuts?

Adolf Oliver Nipples: All of the sudden everybody has "special needs", some exotic, never-before-seen disease, or is "hyperactive" and needs to be drugged into a stupor by his parents to conform to adult societal norms (or, more likely, to make the parents' lives easier).

I blame Sarah Palin.

The Ghost of Tom Ace: Did somebody say ass-burgers?

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/Hot like a flame-broiled Whopper.

Stop it! Stop it RIGHT NOW!! Release the mouse and step away from the keyboard...My wife has asspergers syndrome and now I will have a hard time doing her with a straight face...I will name the child that was prevented after you...Tom Ace....

Damn Man: Oznog: He's ADD- hyperactive- AND falling asleep? How does that work, exactly?

Easily. See in actual neurologically evident(can be seen on PET/fMRI) cases of ADHD the Meth they feed patients has a paradoxical effect. It literally slows them down not tweak them out. That's the whole idea behind prescribing such powerful 'stimulant' medications to them.

farking pharmacology, how does it work?

I know it can have a paradoxical effect- but you can't say he's ADHD because he's "running too fast" AND also falling asleep. You might say the falling asleep is a side effect of the medication, I suppose it's possible, but then it's a side effect. Generally you don't elevate side effects to a "Disorder" diagnosis.

whiterrabbit: The Ghost of Tom Ace: Did somebody say ass-burgers?

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/Hot like a flame-broiled Whopper.

Stop it! Stop it RIGHT NOW!! Release the mouse and step away from the keyboard...My wife has asspergers syndrome and now I will have a hard time doing her with a straight face...I will name the child that was prevented after you...Tom Ace....

I'm sorry man. You know, one of the hottest girls I have ever known in my life had Asperger's and I wanted to hit it so hard, but she was impossible to talk to in that kind of way. It was getting to the point where I was about to just whip it out and say, "can I put this in you"? She did not understand flirting whatsoever.

Kudos to you man.

I sound fat: you are all missing the point.

If the kid is struggling in class, taking him OUT OF CLASS to mow the lawn as a punishment does what exactly?

Makes it all of a sudden seem like a good idea to pay attention in class the next time instead of having to work hard and mow the lawn. Something that he might have to do for the rest of his life to earn a living if he doesn't pay attention in class.

Typical Right Wing Doosh: if the kid's falling asleep, pump him full of Ritalin. If he develops anxiety, hook him up with Xanax. the solution to any kind of undesirable behavior is the same: drugs. I won't rest until every American child is diagnosed with some kind of disorder and is prescribed medication. ADD is an epidemic that is sweeping the nation and affecting more and more children every day! it must be stopped!

I know you're trolling, but an FYI: I have narcolepsy and (even if I've gone long enough without to not have a tolerance) I can still fall asleep after 10-20mg of instant release Adderall.

I'm in the "it's either a sleep disorder temporarily called ADD for the similar treatments or it's a major sleep disorder to be showin through amphetamine-based treatment" camp.

/guess I could've just gone with the typical "I have Narcolepsy so I'm getting a kick" trope but I'm far too sleepy to get kicks
//great student in school and my grades started crashing because I slept so much at home and I was drowsy nonstop at school--somehow no one guessed I might have narcolepsy til 4 years after graduating high school
///teachers can be spectacularly dumb about students with health problems

swingerofbirches: ...you don't want a kid using machinery with blades spinning hundreds of miles an hour while he's falling asleep.

I don't think I've ever seen rotating machinery described in terms of HPM.

Radioactive Ass: I don't think I've ever seen rotating machinery described in terms of HPM.

Or MPH... whatever...

There are two types of ADD/ADHD: totally hyperactive, and mentally hyperactive. I take it you've never met the latter, but I assure you it's very obviously as much a disorder as the former. My mom has the latter form (undiagnosed since childhood because she's in her 50s and it was a different time) and honestly no one, even the most "ADHD is a blanket diagnosis of difficult kids" leaning people in her life, really doubts it in her.

With every kid in America being special needs, It would be more newsworthy if this had happened to a normal kid.

This story strike all the douchebag chords at once.

1) Mother has a hyphenated name. I hate those. Pick one and move on. Kid has a stupid name also.
2) Kid has ADD and Narcolepsy and Asperger's and Allergies and now probably PTSD. Get him off the medication and see if his system normalizes.
3) School is setting themself up for a lawsuit. You can't allow the kid to use a device that might maim him. Fire the idiot employee that though this was a good idea.
4) The school has a stupid name. I don't care if "Alice Ott" was Mother Teresa. Change the name to something generic.

So anlawnmower is like super ritalin?

Typical Right Wing Doosh: if the kid's falling asleep, pump him full of Ritalin. If he develops anxiety, hook him up with Xanax. the solution to any kind of undesirable behavior is the same: drugs. I won't rest until every American child is diagnosed with some kind of disorder and is prescribed medication. ADD is an epidemic that is sweeping the nation and affecting more and more children every day! it must be stopped!

Here's how it works. Plan A: Kid has a problem falling asleep in class. Concerned parent takes kid to doctor, tells parent to make sure kid gets enough exercise after school, feed kid properly and make sure he gets 10 hours of sleep at night. Parent takes kid home, follows doctor's orders, kid's problems stop. Doctor gets paid for one visit.

Plan B: Kid has a problem falling asleep in class. Concerned parent takes kid to doctor. Doctor diagnoses ADD, Asperger's, who knows what else, prescription drug required. Parent can't afford said prescriptions, kid gets signed up for public assistance for drug program. Parent takes kid home, very little changes, repeated visits to doctor, repeated changes to prescriptions, wash, lather, rinse, repeat. Doctor charges Medicaid for repeated visits, drug companies cash in on all the work they did getting those drugs approved through FDA, kid has caseworker (keeping all those MSW's gainfully employed on your tax dollars) parent appears to be concerned, loving parent while getting to play the victim and maybe even get a prescription out of it herself because of all the stress of dealing with a special needs kid, school district gets more money to deal with more special needs kids and, the grandest prize of all, the kid reaches adulthood believing that regular doctor visits are the norm for everyone, healthy or otherwise, and that everyone should be on government assistance.

Don't flame me - I know that there are children with legitimate need for drugs but not everyone diagnosed with special needs actually has them. And when so many child care and health care professionals see a profit opportunity, they will take it. It ain't only Wall Street that gets greedy around money.

ADD: Inability to concentrate or focus.
Asperger's: Tendancy to overconcentrate and focus obsessively.

ADD+Aspergers: Normal. They cancel out.

FTFA11-year-old Kyron Sloan, has ADD, Asperger's and maybe a medical condition, which doctors are still trying to figure out, causing him to sleep.

OK, I can see Narcolepsy or something similar being a problem. That's a serious medical condition.

But 'ADD' and 'Aspergers'? No such thing. Those are not medical conditions, those are personality flaws, usually caused by incompetent parenting, and are easily fixable. I've done it. Takes about 48 hours and repeated smacks upside the back of the head (not hard, just enough to startle them and cause them to react) as punishment for stupid actions or social faux-pas. There is no reason for anyone to claim that these 'conditions' hold them back or disable them in some way. They are an excuse used by incompetent parents and lazy children/adults to excuse the fact that they or their children are not fit for membership in society.

I'm not excusing the faculty for punishing a narcoleptic for his condition, that's careless and stupid. But I am calling this kid's parents out on their bullshiat in trying to get special treatment and privileges for their kid just because they're too lazy or stupid to fix the mistakes they made in raising him.