*golf clap*

I liked the way they ended The Sopranos. It was better than the ending for Deadwood, or Carnivale, or John From Cincinnati. I'm sure there's other series they farked up but I dumped HBO a few years ago.

Good one, subby.

Are people still whining about the way the Sopranos ended?

Tony died. That's it. Not the best ending, but it made perfect sense.

stoli n coke: Are people still whining about the way the Sopranos ended?

Tony died. That's it. Not the best ending, but it made perfect sense.

4/10.

Would be higher but it's been around the internet for so long now I'm pretty sure most people won't bite.

Mattyb710: stoli n coke: Are people still whining about the way the Sopranos ended?

Tony died. That's it. Not the best ending, but it made perfect sense.

4/10.

Would be higher but it's been around the internet for so long now I'm pretty sure most people won't bite.

Not trolling. Tony died, and just like the audience, he never saw it coming. Just because it wasn't a melodramatic bloodbath doesn't mean it wasn't a logical ending.

Sid_6.7: SnakeMan: His last name is like an Italian wizard or something.

No, it's like multiple Italian wizards.

stoli n coke: Not trolling. Tony died, and just like the audience, he never saw it coming. Just because it wasn't a melodramatic bloodbath doesn't mean it wasn't a logical ending.

Claiming that Tony died is like claiming that God exists. Give me some hard evidence and I might listen, but your opinion based on limited information is still just an opinion, regardless of how many other gullible people you can point to who also believe the same thing.

You won't ever get "hard evidence," but if you're willing to spend a little time reading a pretty thoughtful analysis, go here and see what you think.

http://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanat ion-of-the-end/

Sorry. Shouldn't Fark before coffee.

Link

slotz: Sid_6.7: SnakeMan: His last name is like an Italian wizard or something.

No, it's like multiple Italian wizards.

stoli n coke: Not trolling. Tony died, and just like the audience, he never saw it coming. Just because it wasn't a melodramatic bloodbath doesn't mean it wasn't a logical ending.

Claiming that Tony died is like claiming that God exists. Give me some hard evidence and I might listen, but your opinion based on limited information is still just an opinion, regardless of how many other gullible people you can point to who also believe the same thing.

You won't ever get "hard evidence," but if you're willing to spend a little time reading a pretty thoughtful analysis, go here and see what you think.

http://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanat ion-of-the-end/

oh boy, here we go again.

/Tony Died choking on bad diner food while having a stroke brought on by a terrible diet.
//better than dying on the can like Elvis

Sid_6.7: SnakeMan: His last name is like an Italian wizard or something.

No, it's like multiple Italian wizards.

stoli n coke: Not trolling. Tony died, and just like the audience, he never saw it coming. Just because it wasn't a melodramatic bloodbath doesn't mean it wasn't a logical ending.

Claiming that Tony died is like claiming that God exists. Give me some hard evidence and I might listen, but your opinion based on limited information is still just an opinion, regardless of how many other gullible people you can point to who also believe the same thing.

Well, David Chase came out and said it after everyone got pissed. It was a reference to the Castellano hit that happened in a restaurant and other mob killings where people were killed while doing something as mundane as getting a haircut.

How much more evidence do you need?

Tony didn't die. Actually it doesn't matter what happened. The series just ended.

stoli n coke: How much more evidence do you need?

I'm going to have to ask for a citation. I've seen too many interviews where he refused to answer and even hinted he specifically didn't kill Tony because that is what people wanted.

David Chase/The Sopranos had been going down in quality in the final seasons, and him doing things like taking more than a year off between seasons didn't help the show. The ending was a copout, that whole last episode was a dissapointment.

The Wire was a much better show than the Sopranos and showed how to end a series. Another great show with a perfect ending was The Shield.

The fact that people are STILL talking about the Sopranos ending means that it will go down as one of best endings of all time.

So, HBO is redoing George Carlin's show with Tony Soprano.

I'll probably check it out.

JJRRutgers: The fact that people are STILL talking about the Sopranos ending means that it will go down as one of best endings of all time.

People still cry about Lost and BSG, so...

Sid_6.7
Claiming that Tony died is like claiming that God exists. Give me some hard evidence and I might listen, but your opinion based on limited information is still just an opinion, regardless of how many other gullible people you can point to who also believe the same thing.

You're still looking for proof of what brought down the WTC aren't you.

So, uh, it's Borat in a cab?

Archie Bunker in a cab?
Edith as the dispatcher.

I'm still hoping they'll finish the story with a Soprano's movie...

/i want to believe

Will probably fail. Gandolfini has been in the business a long time.....a substantial baseline of work, and the only times he has shined was when he was playing a ruthless mobster. Of the times I have seen him on-screen, he has only stood out in True Romance (the scene where he was torturing Alabama and telling her what it was like to kill someone was epic) and of course Sopranos. He has been forgettable in everything else. This role is more like "everything else". If he has some bit player, it might be alright, but Tony Soprano anchoring some show that isn't crime oriented, where he can be ruthless, is going to fail

Bob_Laublaw: *golf clap*

Great headline subs.

MoronLessOff: Bob_Laublaw: *golf clap*

Great headline subs.

Would have been better if he's stopped it WITHOUT the hyphens, but that's a little too much like Candle Jack if you kn

Sid_6.7: Claiming that Tony died is like claiming that God exists. Give me some hard evidence and I might listen, but your opinion based on limited information is still just an opinion, regardless of how many other gullible people you can point to who also believe the same thing.

Sutff like this is covered in a very basic film studies class. There are things to be gleaned from the artist's representation of events onscreen. A good director will have a reason for putting things onscreen in the position they are, in the timing used, etc.

When Gus, the renegade slave, shows up onscreen in Birth of a Nation, you know he is up to no good. It doesn't matter that later it is shown what he does (your hard evidence). You can tell that he is evil from his positioning onscreen and the way he moves. It's the director's intent.

Bergman's Persona is another good instance. *SPOILER* You can tell from just the framing in certain shots that Alma and Elisabeth are the same person. Yes, you later get that info told to you, but if you're paying attention you can see it much earlier than that. The director is telling you something.

Just because something isn't shown explicitly doesn't mean it's not happening. It's there, under the waves, if you will.

The editing alone tells you what you need to know in the Sopranos finale, as shown in that extensive online article someone posted above.

1,2,3.
1,2,3.
1,2,3.
1,2,......

What comes next, as determined by previous visual and temporal cues? Why isn't it there? What is the director/trying to tell us?

Just saying "I can't see it so it didn't happen" is basically offensive to what the person who created it is trying to get across. We don't need to see Tony in a casket to know he's a goner. To say otherwise undermines the creator/artist's intent and abilities. Chase knows what he is doing and why he is doing it. It's not just about what you see in front of you, one must factor in what it means.

What was anyone's motivation for killing Tony? He made peace with everyone.

skinink: Another great show with a perfect ending was The Shield.

Winner!

FerneJohn: What was anyone's motivation for killing Tony? He made peace with everyone.

But they might not have made their peace with him.

Pumpernickel bread: Will probably fail. Gandolfini has been in the business a long time.....a substantial baseline of work, and the only times he has shined was when he was playing a ruthless mobster. Of the times I have seen him on-screen, he has only stood out in True Romance (the scene where he was torturing Alabama and telling her what it was like to kill someone was epic) and of course Sopranos. He has been forgettable in everything else. This role is more like "everything else". If he has some bit player, it might be alright, but Tony Soprano anchoring some show that isn't crime oriented, where he can be ruthless, is going to fail

What everyone is knows, even if they refuse to admit it.


/And yes, wonderful in True Romance.
//I loved how in "The Mexican" they made him a gay rutheless guy... because that's so against typecast!

centers on a politically incorrect cab driver in NYC struggling to keep his life together

Wow. It's set in NYC. How original.

Pumpernickel bread: Will probably fail. Gandolfini has been in the business a long time.....a substantial baseline of work, and the only times he has shined was when he was playing a ruthless mobster. Of the times I have seen him on-screen, he has only stood out in True Romance (the scene where he was torturing Alabama and telling her what it was like to kill someone was epic) and of course Sopranos. He has been forgettable in everything else. This role is more like "everything else". If he has some bit player, it might be alright, but Tony Soprano anchoring some show that isn't crime oriented, where he can be ruthless, is going to fail

You must have missed his sicko role in 8MM, I think I m gonna watch that again.

stoli n coke: Sid_6.7: SnakeMan: His last name is like an Italian wizard or something.

No, it's like multiple Italian wizards.

stoli n coke: Not trolling. Tony died, and just like the audience, he never saw it coming. Just because it wasn't a melodramatic bloodbath doesn't mean it wasn't a logical ending.

Claiming that Tony died is like claiming that God exists. Give me some hard evidence and I might listen, but your opinion based on limited information is still just an opinion, regardless of how many other gullible people you can point to who also believe the same thing.

Well, David Chase came out and said it after everyone got pissed. It was a reference to the Castellano hit that happened in a restaurant and other mob killings where people were killed while doing something as mundane as getting a haircut.

How much more evidence do you need?

This. Now, if anyone saw "The Godfather" who then subsequently saw "The Sopranos" still complains about how "The Sopranos" ended...well, can't help it if you're dense about it.

skinink: Another great show with a perfect ending was The Shield.

Yes, yes it was.

JJRRutgers: The fact that people are STILL talking about the Sopranos ending means that it will go down as one of best endings of all time.

This.

It's just like candleja

Sid_6.7: but your opinion based on limited information is still just an opinion

I look forward to someday meeting someone with unlimited information.

Why is no one, but me, tired of seeing someone getting rich re-writing someone else's idea.

Why can NO ONE in Hollywood come up with an original idea anymore?

It seems all movies and TV shows are reboots. And this one is from France...

MeinRS6: Why are "politically incorrect" characters so popular? Could it be because most people view political correctness as the height of douchyness?

MeinRS6: Why are "politically incorrect" characters so popular? Could it be because most people view political correctness as the height of douchyness?


Now Stuart, if you look at the soil around any large U.S. city with a big
underground homosexual population - Des Moines, Iowa, perfect example.
Look at the soil around Des Moines, Stuart. You can't build on it, you
can't grow anything in it. The government says it's due to poor farming.
But I know what's really going on, Stuart. I know it's the queers.
They're in it with the aliens. They're building landing strips for gay
Martians. I swear to God.

loral: Why is no one, but me, tired of seeing someone getting rich re-writing someone else's idea.

Why can NO ONE in Hollywood come up with an original idea anymore?

It seems all movies and TV shows are reboots. And this one is from France...

Your whole post is a remake. Complaining about Hollywood being unoriginal is very unoriginal.

Will definitely check it out but Gandolfini needs to lose some weight to pull of the lead.

stoli n coke: Sid_6.7: SnakeMan: His last name is like an Italian wizard or something.

No, it's like multiple Italian wizards.

stoli n coke: Not trolling. Tony died, and just like the audience, he never saw it coming. Just because it wasn't a melodramatic bloodbath doesn't mean it wasn't a logical ending.

Claiming that Tony died is like claiming that God exists. Give me some hard evidence and I might listen, but your opinion based on limited information is still just an opinion, regardless of how many other gullible people you can point to who also believe the same thing.

Well, David Chase came out and said it after everyone got pissed. It was a reference to the Castellano hit that happened in a restaurant and other mob killings where people were killed while doing something as mundane as getting a haircut.

How much more evidence do you need?

That and it was made pretty damn clear in the whole series is that the only way out is death. How the fark else would the show end? Besides, the show's form Tony's POV really. You end Tony you end the show.

mekkab: /Tony Died choking on bad diner food while having a stroke brought on by a terrible diet.
//better than dying on the can like Elvis

Jake Havechek: Tony didn't die. Actually it doesn't matter what happened. The series just ended.

You poor, poor bastards. I used to be exactly like you. "No way Tony died, there is no proof, its up to us as an audience to say what we think happened, and in reality theres no way to know, the show just ended"

Until you read this:

Link (new window)

Sure, I saw this link a few times in sopranos threads, scoffed at it, saw the length of it, didn't read it. Then one time I did, the first part explains definitively that Tony dies. It isn't conjecture either, it has proof. Proof that has been pointed out in this thread but is much easier to understand when you read the first part of that and then watch the final scene, it even has screencaps showing each moment. Give it a quick read, the first part, and then explain why you disagree with it.

I felt so much better after reading it, and I was as skeptical as it gets about the ending. I'm really glad I checked it out.

link didnt work. wtf

http://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explana t ion-of-the-end/

read part one. Hope the clicky works here too for the lazy ones out there

Link (new window)

Pumpernickel bread: Will probably fail. Gandolfini has been in the business a long time.....a substantial baseline of work, and the only times he has shined was when he was playing a ruthless mobster. Of the times I have seen him on-screen, he has only stood out in True Romance (the scene where he was torturing Alabama and telling her what it was like to kill someone was epic) and of course Sopranos. He has been forgettable in everything else. This role is more like "everything else". If he has some bit player, it might be alright, but Tony Soprano anchoring some show that isn't crime oriented, where he can be ruthless, is going to fail

He was good in "The Last Castle"