The Godfather 3 was amazing but the middle film was a waste.

Mugato: That's what he's regretful about? Did he not remember casting Keanu Reeves in Dracula?

His mind probably blocked out such a traumatic experience.

I can sort of see his point. The Godfather is a very well crafted self-contained story that doesn't really need a sequel. The fact that the second film is outstanding doesn't change the fact that it's unnecessary.


/And it insists on itself

Godfather 3, good version...

The second one is a great movie, but it doesn't hold a candle to the first, nor to the same year's The Conversation.

Never saw anything beyond parts of Part 1. It was okay, but pretentious.

I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Godfather 2 was really that great. Not nearly as good as the first one anyway. I think people are generally tricked into thinking it's one of the best movies ever because Robert De Niro was awesome in it. Take away all the De Niro/young Vito stuff, and all the Lake Tahoe/Cuba/Congress stuff that you're left with falls pretty flat.

I think it's worth pointing out that the young Vito stuff was part of the original Puzo novel but not included in the first movie. If you truly wanted to make the ultimate Godfather film, you'd get rid of the "present day" stuff from the second film and edit it all together like the book.

Mugato: That's what he's regretful about? Did he not remember casting Keanu Reeves in Dracula?

Dracula was awesome and Keanu was fine in his role.

Mugato: skinink: Off the top of my head, I can think of only two sequels that are as good or better than the original movie: Godfather 2, and Terminator 2.

The Empire Strikes Back
Wrath of Khan
Lethal Weapon 2
Evil Dead 2
Aliens (sort of equal to the original because they were so different)
The Dark Knight
Mad Max 2
Dawn of the Dead
The Silence of the Lambs

Say whaaaa?

Part II is one of my favorite movies. Every few years I start to think that maybe it isn't as good as I previously thought, and then I'll see it on AMC or Bravo and become fixated with it again.

Apos: ThisNameSux: Mugato: That's what he's regretful about? Did he not remember casting Keanu Reeves in Dracula?

Dracula was awesome and Keanu was fine in his role.


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Woah...vampires.

Dad?

*thunk*

Mugato: skinink: Off the top of my head, I can think of only two sequels that are as good or better than the original movie: Godfather 2, and Terminator 2.

The Empire Strikes Back
Wrath of Khan
Lethal Weapon 2
Evil Dead 2
Aliens (sort of equal to the original because they were so different)
The Dark Knight
Mad Max 2
Dawn of the Dead
The Silence of the Lambs
Sanjuro
Spiderman 2
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

Tax Boy: Dad?

*thunk*

Generally followed by wild applause...

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

Indy 3 was great but not as good as the first.

CowboyNinjaD: I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Godfather 2 was really that great. Not nearly as good as the first one anyway. I think people are generally tricked into thinking it's one of the best movies ever because Robert De Niro was awesome in it. Take away all the De Niro/young Vito stuff, and all the Lake Tahoe/Cuba/Congress stuff that you're left with falls pretty flat.

Soooo - take away all the good stuff about a movie and now a movie sucks? That's your argument? Really?

/Godfather 2 is a great movie
//Godfather 1 was better

bravian: CowboyNinjaD: I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Godfather 2 was really that great. Not nearly as good as the first one anyway. I think people are generally tricked into thinking it's one of the best movies ever because Robert De Niro was awesome in it. Take away all the De Niro/young Vito stuff, and all the Lake Tahoe/Cuba/Congress stuff that you're left with falls pretty flat.

Soooo - take away all the good stuff about a movie and now a movie sucks? That's your argument? Really?

/Godfather 2 is a great movie
//Godfather 1 was better


You're missing my point. When people talk about how Godfather 2 is one of the best movies ever - even better than the original - that means it should ALL be good. But it's not. The primary narrative is mediocre, undeservingly propped up by excellent flashbacks. Take De Niro out of the equation, and it's barely better than Godfather 3.

CowboyNinjaD: I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Godfather 2 was really that great. Not nearly as good as the first one anyway. I think people are generally tricked into thinking it's one of the best movies ever because Robert De Niro was awesome in it. Take away all the De Niro/young Vito stuff, and all the Lake Tahoe/Cuba/Congress stuff that you're left with falls pretty flat.

I think it's worth pointing out that the young Vito stuff was part of the original Puzo novel but not included in the first movie. If you truly wanted to make the ultimate Godfather film, you'd get rid of the "present day" stuff from the second film and edit it all together like the book.

I'm in that minority as well. My problem is not that the present-day stuff in 2 falls flat - I find it quite compelling - but the lack of thematic integration between the two stories (I'm not impressed by the connections commonly suggested).

I'll put it in SAT analogy format:

Godfather 3 : Godfather 1 & 2 :: Indy 4 : Indy 1 & 3

/Indy 2? Meh. Worth 2 hrs. but not got enough to see twice. Except ShortRound is cool. And the deal with heart. Actually, it's not that bad

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: Wrath of Khan

Is the first one over yet? "Spock's Brain" would have been more compelling than that snorefest.

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: The Silence of the Lambs

True that - But Manhunter was so little seen that Silence is hardly a sequel

MiamiBlues: And the deal with heart.

Oops - I mean "the deal with the heart". As in the dude pulling it out of the guy's chest. Cool.

/belated spoiler alert

With the exception of Tucker, how about everything after Apocalypse Now.

This thread makes me sad.

I tend to think of 1 and 2 as a single film anyway. They were only 2 years apart and the cast and crew were pretty much the same.

If he'd made the third within a few years of the second it probably would've been a better movie, not that there was any narrative reason to make 3 at all, just saying. Sequels rarely work after too much time has passed because expectations are too high.

thornhill: With the exception of Tucker, how about everything after Apocalypse Now.

The Outsiders?
The Cotton Club?
Peggy Sue Got Married?

/all quite good

Mugato: Even the Nazis weren't menacing.

oh, the Indy Nazis were never menacing.

/except Toht - dude was creepy

Miss Stein: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: Mugato: skinink: Off the top of my head, I can think of only two sequels that are as good or better than the original movie: Godfather 2, and Terminator 2.

The Empire Strikes Back
Wrath of Khan
Lethal Weapon 2
Evil Dead 2
Aliens (sort of equal to the original because they were so different)
The Dark Knight
Mad Max 2
Dawn of the Dead
The Silence of the Lambs
Sanjuro
Spiderman 2
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

Addams Family Values

Oldboy

/yeah, I know it's not really a sequel to Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance, but go with it okay?

I've always avoided seeing Godfather Part 3.

Anyone want to talk me into it? Is it as bad as they say?

Barakku: Apos: ThisNameSux: Dracula was awesome and Keanu was fine in his role.

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Woah...vampires.

nosferatuserious.jpg

Apos: Superman II(The Richard Donner Cut)

I still haven't seen that. I love the original version and the new one is supposedly even better.

I did get bummed out, however, when I read that

[spoilers]


he solves the crisis by simply turning back time, yet again, and preventing the Kryptonians from ever escaping. Like none of the movie you just watched even mattered.

The best version of the Godfather is the one that hasn't been released on DVD:

The Godfather: 1901-1980 - the Godfather story in the proper chronological order. Never released on DVD, and the massive VHS set goes for big bucks on eBay.

FerneJohn: Apos: Superman II(The Richard Donner Cut)

I still haven't seen that. I love the original version and the new one is supposedly even better.

I did get bummed out, however, when I read that

[spoilers]


he solves the crisis by simply turning back time, yet again, and preventing the Kryptonians from ever escaping. Like none of the movie you just watched even mattered.

I often thought to myself why didn't he just fly backwards again and solve the problem of them showing up.

Now for a harder challenge, name some movies where the third was the best in the series.

MrEricSir: I've always avoided seeing Godfather Part 3.

Anyone want to talk me into it? Is it as bad as they say?



It's really not that bad - there are definitely some problems - Sofia Coppola's cringe-worthy acting and a convoluted plot, bordering on the ridiculous are the most obvious flaws . But it's not Leonard Part 6 or anything. It mainly suffers in comparison to the previous films.

Godfather II is the LAST thing he should regret.

Jack. You asshole.

CowboyNinjaD: I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Godfather 2 was really that great. Not nearly as good as the first one anyway. I think people are generally tricked into thinking it's one of the best movies ever because Robert De Niro was awesome in it. Take away all the De Niro/young Vito stuff, and all the Lake Tahoe/Cuba/Congress stuff that you're left with falls pretty flat.

I think it's worth pointing out that the young Vito stuff was part of the original Puzo novel but not included in the first movie. If you truly wanted to make the ultimate Godfather film, you'd get rid of the "present day" stuff from the second film and edit it all together like the book.

Paramount did do that with one video release. Both films were shown together chronologically, with mixed results. While still good, the pacing was really off.

Apos: ADubs86: Miss Stein: Wasn't Looking at his Neck: Mugato: skinink: Off the top of my head, I can think of only two sequels that are as good or better than the original movie: Godfather 2, and Terminator 2.

The Empire Strikes Back
Wrath of Khan
Lethal Weapon 2
Evil Dead 2
Aliens (sort of equal to the original because they were so different)
The Dark Knight
Mad Max 2
Dawn of the Dead
The Silence of the Lambs
Sanjuro
Spiderman 2
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

Addams Family Values

Oldboy

/yeah, I know it's not really a sequel to Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance, but go with it okay?

Superman II(The Richard Donner Cut)

Batman Begins is better than the Dark Knight

Mugato: skinink: Off the top of my head, I can think of only two sequels that are as good or better than the original movie: Godfather 2, and Terminator 2.

The Empire Strikes Back
Wrath of Khan
Lethal Weapon 2
Evil Dead 2
Aliens (sort of equal to the original because they were so different)
The Dark Knight
Mad Max 2
Dawn of the Dead
The Silence of the Lambs

Before Sunrise
Superman II

Snapper Carr: Sofia Coppola's cringe-worthy acting and a convoluted plot, bordering on the ridiculous are the most obvious flaws . But it's not Leonard Part 6 or anything. It mainly suffers in comparison to the previous films.

Even with the convoluted plot, I think if Coppola had managed to get Duvall back, it would have been a hell of a lot better, but he wouldn't do it, so they had to rewrite and minimize that character's role, and the film suffered.

And cut that gnocchi-making shiat right out. Sofia Coppola belongs behind the camera.

MrEricSir: Is it as bad as they say?

It's not terrible. One of the more interesting turns was Connie having become an apologist/enabler with the passage of time. The Sopranos sort of did the same thing with Meadow toward the end of the series. Garcia was good, Pacino and Keaton had some good moments. But the whole Vatican thing was a bit too aggrandizing.

baufan2005: FerneJohn: Apos: Superman II(The Richard Donner Cut)

I still haven't seen that. I love the original version and the new one is supposedly even better.

I did get bummed out, however, when I read that

[spoilers]


he solves the crisis by simply turning back time, yet again, and preventing the Kryptonians from ever escaping. Like none of the movie you just watched even mattered.

I often thought to myself why didn't he just fly backwards again and solve the problem of them showing up.

Now for a harder challenge, name some movies where the third was the best in the series.

Army of Darkness

Rye_: Sofia Coppola belongs behind the camera.

Everyone rags on Sofia for her crap acting (and with justification), but remember that she replaced Winona Ryder, who is not exactly Meryl Streep. I mean, did people expect Ryder to save the film?

/that said; she was rather adorable back in the day