Who's Tyler Perry?

Women have displaced men in the workforce everywhere else; I guess Hollywood is next.

In a survey of the top 100-grossing movies of 2009

Well, there's your problem.
I'm sure the numbers will even out once you add all the porn movies.

Brainwash: Women have displaced men in the workforce everywhere else; I guess Hollywood is next.

That's only because companies can pay them less.

You only need one attractive woman to be the love interest, and every guy in the movie can lust after her and compete for her attention. Whereas if you have several women in the movie, you have to have a variety of men for them to spurn.

Just like real life.

My brain exploded the moment someone pointed out to me that women rarely talk to other women in movies.

Once you notice that, you cannot stop noticing it.

MrEricSir: My brain exploded the moment someone pointed out to me that women rarely talk to other women in movies.

Once you notice that, you cannot stop noticing it.

Ah yes, the Bechdel test.

The problem is that there aren't enough female character actors out there, possibly because there aren't enough defined female 'character' archetypes outside of a few straightjackets in the movie industry generally. Think about it this way: how would you recast Ocean's 11 with all female characters? Would you be able to? Probably not, because of the lack of variety.

/my not particularly well thought-through two cents

Headline: Women found to make up less than a third of all movie roles...

TFA: In a survey of the top 100-grossing movies of 2009...

Apparently there have only been 100 movies made, and all of them were in 2009. Who knew?

Seth'n'Spectrum: MrEricSir: My brain exploded the moment someone pointed out to me that women rarely talk to other women in movies.

Once you notice that, you cannot stop noticing it.

Ah yes, the Bechdel test.

The problem is that there aren't enough female character actors out there, possibly because there aren't enough defined female 'character' archetypes outside of a few straightjackets in the movie industry generally. Think about it this way: how would you recast Ocean's 11 with all female characters? Would you be able to? Probably not, because of the lack of variety.

/my not particularly well thought-through two cents

There's about a quarter of a million actors in Hollywood. I'm going to wager a guess that they can find some if they squint hard enough.

Seth'n'Spectrum: Think about it this way: how would you recast Ocean's 11 with all female characters? Would you be able to? Probably not, because of the lack of variety.

I smell a challenge and I accept.

Danny Ocean - Sandra Bullock
Rusty Ryan - Jennifer Aniston
Linus Caldwell - Anne Hathaway
Frank Catton - Neicy Nash
Reuben Tishkoff - Bette Midler
Basher Tarr - Freema Agyeman
Saul Bloom - Betty White
Terry Benedict - Selma Hayek
Virgil Malloy - Ginnifer Goodwin
Turk Malloy - Jaimie Alexander
Livingston Dell - Kristen Wiig
(I have no idea who can play Yen.)

Anyone else want to have a go?

mekki: Seth'n'Spectrum: Think about it this way: how would you recast Ocean's 11 with all female characters? Would you be able to? Probably not, because of the lack of variety.

I smell a challenge and I accept.

Danny Ocean - Sandra Bullock
Rusty Ryan - Jennifer Aniston
Linus Caldwell - Anne Hathaway
Frank Catton - Neicy Nash
Reuben Tishkoff - Bette Midler
Basher Tarr - Freema Agyeman
Saul Bloom - Betty White
Terry Benedict - Selma Hayek
Virgil Malloy - Ginnifer Goodwin
Turk Malloy - Jaimie Alexander
Livingston Dell - Kristen Wiig
(I have no idea who can play Yen.)

Anyone else want to have a go?

Linda Hunt could play Yen

Obviously we need more Sex in the City sequels.

Well, summer blockbusters are almost uniformly action movies, so they go with action actors, like 4 of which in the entire industry are female. The other big seller is romantic comedies, which require some of each sex to be a big seller. So not really a big surprise that overall you see more male actors than female.

Genevieve Marie: I don't generally enjoy movies that don't pass the Bechdel test.

I had no idea there was a name for this. What a strange bit of trivia!

mekki: Seth'n'Spectrum: Think about it this way: how would you recast Ocean's 11 with all female characters? Would you be able to? Probably not, because of the lack of variety.

I smell a challenge and I accept.

Danny Ocean - Sandra Bullock
Rusty Ryan - Jennifer Aniston
Linus Caldwell - Anne Hathaway
Frank Catton - Neicy Nash
Reuben Tishkoff - Bette Midler
Basher Tarr - Freema Agyeman
Saul Bloom - Betty White
Terry Benedict - Selma Hayek
Virgil Malloy - Ginnifer Goodwin
Turk Malloy - Jaimie Alexander
Livingston Dell - Kristen Wiig
(I have no idea who can play Yen.)

Anyone else want to have a go?

Good call on Basher, but I'll switch with Thandie Newton for name value.

MrEricSir: Genevieve Marie: I don't generally enjoy movies that don't pass the Bechdel test.

I had no idea there was a name for this. What a strange bit of trivia!

Welcome to the internet, I guess? Or obligatory undergrad womyns studies seminar (don't give me that look, I didn't name that shiat), I guess.

sephjnr: mekki: Seth'n'Spectrum: Think about it this way: how would you recast Ocean's 11 with all female characters? Would you be able to? Probably not, because of the lack of variety.

I smell a challenge and I accept.

Danny Ocean - Sandra Bullock
Rusty Ryan - Jennifer Aniston
Linus Caldwell - Anne Hathaway
Frank Catton - Neicy Nash
Reuben Tishkoff - Bette Midler
Basher Tarr - Freema Agyeman
Saul Bloom - Betty White
Terry Benedict - Selma Hayek
Virgil Malloy - Ginnifer Goodwin
Turk Malloy - Jaimie Alexander
Livingston Dell - Kristen Wiig
(I have no idea who can play Yen.)

Anyone else want to have a go?

Good call on Basher, but I'll switch with Thandie Newton for name value.

Scratch that, leave Freema there- Thandie would be a good Benedict.

tits

or gtfo

in any case

replace the affirmative aping in every scene

mekki: Seth'n'Spectrum: Think about it this way: how would you recast Ocean's 11 with all female characters? Would you be able to? Probably not, because of the lack of variety.

I smell a challenge and I accept.

Danny Ocean - Sandra Bullock
Rusty Ryan - Jennifer Aniston
Linus Caldwell - Anne Hathaway
Frank Catton - Neicy Nash
Reuben Tishkoff - Bette Midler
Basher Tarr - Freema Agyeman
Saul Bloom - Betty White
Terry Benedict - Selma Hayek
Virgil Malloy - Ginnifer Goodwin
Turk Malloy - Jaimie Alexander
Livingston Dell - Kristen Wiig
(I have no idea who can play Yen.)

Anyone else want to have a go?

Good, but:

Terry Benedict -- Angelina Jolie (too good to cast opposite your Rusty)
Would rather use Tina Fey for Livingston, but I can't argue Wiig
I think you could get away with Evan Rachel Wood as your Linus, but the top three there are really farking hard to argue with.

Don't see good places where you could use Scarlett Johansson or Natalie Portman. Nicole Kidman and Keira Knighley don't really fit in this kind of movie. And dear god keep Reese Witherspoon away.

Part of me wants to tell you to use the Williams sisters as Virgil and Turk, but I don't know enough about them to say.

Now do the same thing for television. Women generally watch television shows and men generally watch movies (on television). Just look at how much reality shiat is on TV. You think men are watching that?

Nine times out of 10, I could guess someone's gender from their DVD collection. Star Wars, Tarantino, Alien boxset? Man. Sex and the City and Friends boxset? Woman.

It's not about excluding discrimination, it's about genres, and generally crime, sci-fi, war and action have more men featuring.

Well if they'd drop their no-nudity clause ther would be more roles

Imagine taking a chick-flick and re-casting it with men in all the roles. It would end up as Secret of the Yaya Sisterhood of the Traveling Circus in my Pants.

farkeruk: Nine times out of 10, I could guess someone's gender from their DVD collection. Star Wars, Tarantino, Alien boxset? Man. Sex and the City and Friends boxset? Woman.

heh, my wife has:

LOST
House
Always Sunny in Philadelphia

She watches Community, Parks and Rec, Archer, Wilfred, Tosh.0, The Soup, Criminal Minds, and Burn Notice. She did watch Law and Order until there was nothing left but SVU (she hates SVU).

About the most girly thing she watches is probably Project Runway, but she likes the design process and end results more then the drama (she will fast forward through the drama).

/marry a tom boy, they are more fun to be around

Mugato: Eddie Murphy? Damn subby, is it 1997 already? I think you mean Tyler Perry.

Over in one.

Tat'dGreaser: Who cares? You can't just rewrite a script because OMG THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE WOMEN IN THIS.

Sounds like the company I used to work for. It didn't matter what their qualifications were, they just wanted to hire more women to look better.

Sure you can. It's how WWII movies regularly feature integrated units. People complained there weren't enough roles for black actors and that the few there were were cooks, servants and the like, so they couldn't cast them in the roles they would have actually played in the scenario.

mekki: Seth'n'Spectrum: Think about it this way: how would you recast Ocean's 11 with all female characters? Would you be able to? Probably not, because of the lack of variety.

I smell a challenge and I accept.

Danny Ocean - Sandra Bullock
Rusty Ryan - Jennifer Aniston
Linus Caldwell - Anne Hathaway
Frank Catton - Neicy Nash
Reuben Tishkoff - Bette Midler
Basher Tarr - Freema Agyeman
Saul Bloom - Betty White
Terry Benedict - Selma Hayek
Virgil Malloy - Ginnifer Goodwin
Turk Malloy - Jaimie Alexander
Livingston Dell - Kristen Wiig
(I have no idea who can play Yen.)

Anyone else want to have a go?

So that's why there are more male than female roles: it would make it a real shiatty movie

Well duh. One of the reasons we go to movies is so we DON'T have to listen to women talk.

ChuDogg: mekki: Seth'n'Spectrum: Think about it this way: how would you recast Ocean's 11 with all female characters? Would you be able to? Probably not, because of the lack of variety.

I smell a challenge and I accept.

Danny Ocean - Sandra Bullock
Rusty Ryan - Jennifer Aniston
Linus Caldwell - Anne Hathaway
Frank Catton - Neicy Nash
Reuben Tishkoff - Bette Midler
Basher Tarr - Freema Agyeman
Saul Bloom - Betty White
Terry Benedict - Selma Hayek
Virgil Malloy - Ginnifer Goodwin
Turk Malloy - Jaimie Alexander
Livingston Dell - Kristen Wiig
(I have no idea who can play Yen.)

Anyone else want to have a go?

So that's why there are more male than female roles: it would make it a real shiatty movie

Ocean's trilogy aren't exactly Merchant Ivory films.

The problem with the lack of women roles in Hollywood is that the vast majority of writers are men and they, mistakenly, believe they don't know how to write roles for women. The truth is, they do. With the exception of action and, ironically enough, romantic comedies, many so called male roles could be played by women. A few things may be needed to be tweaked here and there but the great deal of these roles weren't gender specific. They just happen to go to male actors because a lack of imagination on the part of the producers, directors and casting agents. Strange enough, with the exception of the very, very few roles that were originally written for men but were given to women, all roles for women were written specifically for women. Or at least, how writers think women roles should be. And, again, going to back to what I said about writers thinking they don't know how to write for women, seem to try to avoid writing for women least they come across as sexist or wrong.

SharkTrager: Sure you can. It's how WWII movies regularly feature integrated units. People complained there weren't enough roles for black actors and that the few there were were cooks, servants and the like, so they couldn't cast them in the roles they would have actually played in the scenario.

Movies and TV are frequently fantasies, for either men or women. Women watch Sex and the City because they want a life of shopping for shoes, brunching with fabulous witty friends and not doing any actual work. Men project themselves as Arnie or Bruce Willis. And that means killing the bad guys and getting the girl. Reverse the roles and they don't get the girl.

It's taken a while for black actors to get to be starring, but it still works because they can still nail women. They still get a chick.

Look, I'm farking tired of women whining about this shiat. Shane Carruth made Primer for $7000. Robert Rodriguez made El Mariachi for $7000. Kevin Smith made Clerks for $27000. Edward Burns made The Brothers McMullan for $24000. In 3 of those cases, they shot on film, which probably ate up a lot of the cost. There is no high barrier to entry in making films.

The thing with most women is that they lack opportunistic drive. They expect that they can follow rules (qualifications, time serving) to get things, rather than spotting things that appear. They see linear paths which rarely exist in work now. Look at all the videos on YouTube, stuff that people are shooting for almost nothing. It's nearly all being made by men picking up an HD camcorder, then working out how to use Adobe Premiere or After Effects to get the shiat done.

mekki: ChuDogg: mekki: Seth'n'Spectrum: Think about it this way: how would you recast Ocean's 11 with all female characters? Would you be able to? Probably not, because of the lack of variety.

I smell a challenge and I accept.

Danny Ocean - Sandra Bullock
Rusty Ryan - Jennifer Aniston
Linus Caldwell - Anne Hathaway
Frank Catton - Neicy Nash
Reuben Tishkoff - Bette Midler
Basher Tarr - Freema Agyeman
Saul Bloom - Betty White
Terry Benedict - Selma Hayek
Virgil Malloy - Ginnifer Goodwin
Turk Malloy - Jaimie Alexander
Livingston Dell - Kristen Wiig
(I have no idea who can play Yen.)

Anyone else want to have a go?

So that's why there are more male than female roles: it would make it a real shiatty movie

Ocean's trilogy aren't exactly Merchant Ivory films.

The problem with the lack of women roles in Hollywood is that the vast majority of writers are men and they, mistakenly, believe they don't know how to write roles for women. The truth is, they do. With the exception of action and, ironically enough, romantic comedies, many so called male roles could be played by women. A few things may be needed to be tweaked here and there but the great deal of these roles weren't gender specific. They just happen to go to male actors because a lack of imagination on the part of the producers, directors and casting agents. Strange enough, with the exception of the very, very few roles that were originally written for men but were given to women, all roles for women were written specifically for women. Or at least, how writers think women roles should be. And, again, going to back to what I said about writers thinking they don't know how to write for women, seem to try to avoid writing for women least they come across as sexist or wrong.

It's easy to write roles for women. Just write the character as a man, then take away reason and accountability.

Trapper439: Ask the mindless twunt who wrote the Twilight series why she didn't put in more big female roles.

You shut your whore mouth, Ashley Greene was worth it. And if you think there aren't any other hotties in the movie, just do a gis.

Pandora's Litterbox: Out of abject curiosity, which recent(ish) films do you consider as passing that test?

Ironically, any porn with a lesbian scene would probably pass the test.

Tyrone Slothrop:
It's easy to write roles for women. Just write the character as a man, then take away reason and accountability.



/Approves

Tyrone Slothrop: mekki: ChuDogg: mekki: Seth'n'Spectrum: Think about it this way: how would you recast Ocean's 11 with all female characters? Would you be able to? Probably not, because of the lack of variety.

I smell a challenge and I accept.

Danny Ocean - Sandra Bullock
Rusty Ryan - Jennifer Aniston
Linus Caldwell - Anne Hathaway
Frank Catton - Neicy Nash
Reuben Tishkoff - Bette Midler
Basher Tarr - Freema Agyeman
Saul Bloom - Betty White
Terry Benedict - Selma Hayek
Virgil Malloy - Ginnifer Goodwin
Turk Malloy - Jaimie Alexander
Livingston Dell - Kristen Wiig
(I have no idea who can play Yen.)

Anyone else want to have a go?

So that's why there are more male than female roles: it would make it a real shiatty movie

Ocean's trilogy aren't exactly Merchant Ivory films.

The problem with the lack of women roles in Hollywood is that the vast majority of writers are men and they, mistakenly, believe they don't know how to write roles for women. The truth is, they do. With the exception of action and, ironically enough, romantic comedies, many so called male roles could be played by women. A few things may be needed to be tweaked here and there but the great deal of these roles weren't gender specific. They just happen to go to male actors because a lack of imagination on the part of the producers, directors and casting agents. Strange enough, with the exception of the very, very few roles that were originally written for men but were given to women, all roles for women were written specifically for women. Or at least, how writers think women roles should be. And, again, going to back to what I said about writers thinking they don't know how to write for women, seem to try to avoid writing for women least they come across as sexist or wrong.

It's easy to write roles for women. Just write the character as a man, then take away reason and accountability.

heh. think of it this way - ocean's 11 wouldn't work with a female cast because there is no way in hell 11 women would ever get any damn thing at all done. plus, at least half of the women would hate the other half. at least one would be actively trying to kill at least one of the other women, two would quit because one of the others farked both of their men....

/get it? women can't get along. try working in an almost all female office sometime. ewwww. nothing no-how-no-way gets done.

farkeruk: Look, I'm farking tired of women whining about this shiat. Shane Carruth made Primer for $7000. Robert Rodriguez made El Mariachi for $7000. Kevin Smith made Clerks for $27000. Edward Burns made The Brothers McMullan for $24000. In 3 of those cases, they shot on film, which probably ate up a lot of the cost. There is no high barrier to entry in making films.

The thing with most women is that they lack opportunistic drive. They expect that they can follow rules (qualifications, time serving) to get things, rather than spotting things that appear. They see linear paths which rarely exist in work now. Look at all the videos on YouTube, stuff that people are shooting for almost nothing. It's nearly all being made by men picking up an HD camcorder, then working out how to use Adobe Premiere or After Effects to get the shiat done.

I totally see your point and I get tired of this thing too. I mean in the US there are more women then men. I mean I can understand the complaints minorities might have about being under-represented in movies. But women are the majority. If they want to more control over movies, either infront of or behind the camera, why don't they just take it?