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(Telegraph)   Remember Padre Pio, who claimed his stigmata which was observed and studied for 50 years provided UNDISPUTABLE PROOF of the existence of Christ? Um yeah, about that   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 225
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2011-11-22 08:27:08 AM  
"We would like to remind Mr Luzzatto that according to Catholic doctrine, canonisation carries with it papal infallibility."

That settles it.
 
2011-11-22 08:32:51 AM  

Garm: "We would like to remind Mr Luzzatto that according to Catholic doctrine, canonisation carries with it papal infallibility."

That settles it.


Came here to say exactly that.
"We didn't make a mistake because according to our beliefs, we don't make mistakes"

What a bunch of crooks and frauds.
 
2011-11-22 08:44:33 AM  
He would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids.
 
2011-11-22 08:52:17 AM  
I thought needing proof flew in the face of faith, and that faith in Christ's divinity was the cornerstone of Catholicism.

Are our beliefs in Bronze age oral legends that shaky?
 
2011-11-22 09:16:18 AM  
"Human beings - and particularly the most fragile among them - will still need to look at figures such as Padre Pio to get, if not miracles, then at least consolation and hope," Professor Luzzatto said, according the the Sun.

So it's better to lie to preserve the dogma because...you know...little people?
 
2011-11-22 09:27:50 AM  

Garm: "We would like to remind Mr Luzzatto that according to Catholic doctrine, canonisation carries with it papal infallibility."

That settles it.


Papal infallibility is considered retroactive? How can they possibly believe that, by the decree of a council, that a man who was once a german youngster, has NEVER EVER BEEN WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING?

Oh yeah, willful, pathetic ignorance. That's the answer.
 
2011-11-22 09:31:00 AM  

PainInTheASP: So it's better to lie to preserve the dogma because...you know...little people?


That particular rule is actually already PART of the dogma. Anyone who's ever been told to stop asking inconvenient questions at catechism can tell you that.

"This is comforting to people! Stop tearing it down! Now, moving on. YOU WILL ALL BURN IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THESE ODDLY-SPECIFIC RULES. Once again- comforting!"
 
2011-11-22 09:40:28 AM  
Maybe he put it in a smoke ball and breathed it in to avoid getting sick?

/Obscure.
 
2011-11-22 09:43:39 AM  

kingoomieiii: Papal infallibility is considered retroactive? How can they possibly believe that, by the decree of a council, that a man who was once a german youngster, has NEVER EVER BEEN WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING?

Oh yeah, willful, pathetic ignorance. That's the answer.


Not for anything, but isn't the doctrine of papal infallibility limited to matters of ecclesiastical proclamation?
 
2011-11-22 09:53:14 AM  

kingoomieiii: PainInTheASP: So it's better to lie to preserve the dogma because...you know...little people?

That particular rule is actually already PART of the dogma. Anyone who's ever been told to stop asking inconvenient questions at catechism can tell you that.

"This is comforting to people! Stop tearing it down! Now, moving on. YOU WILL ALL BURN IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THESE ODDLY-SPECIFIC RULES. Once again- comforting!"


I am so glad I dropped out of confirmation and never went back....I figured as long as I tried to follow one rule I'd be okay:

Don't be a douchebag.

/Paraphrased.
//Trolling doesn't count ;-)
 
2011-11-22 09:55:45 AM  

PainInTheASP: Don't be a douchebag.

/Paraphrased.
//Trolling doesn't count ;-)


That's like saying: "I don't drink. Except for tequila."
 
2011-11-22 10:00:37 AM  

gilgigamesh: PainInTheASP: Don't be a douchebag.

/Paraphrased.
//Trolling doesn't count ;-)

That's like saying: "I don't drink. Except for tequila Everclear."

 
2011-11-22 10:06:51 AM  

PainInTheASP: gilgigamesh: PainInTheASP: Don't be a douchebag.

/Paraphrased.
//Trolling doesn't count ;-)

That's like saying: "I don't drink. Except for tequila Everclear rubbing alcohol."

 
2011-11-22 10:09:19 AM  

PainInTheASP: kingoomieiii: PainInTheASP: So it's better to lie to preserve the dogma because...you know...little people?

That particular rule is actually already PART of the dogma. Anyone who's ever been told to stop asking inconvenient questions at catechism can tell you that.

"This is comforting to people! Stop tearing it down! Now, moving on. YOU WILL ALL BURN IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THESE ODDLY-SPECIFIC RULES. Once again- comforting!"

I am so glad I dropped out of confirmation and never went back....I figured as long as I tried to follow one rule I'd be okay:

Don't be a douchebag.

/Paraphrased.
//Trolling doesn't count ;-)


Heh. CBC Radio had a show recently where they asked people to call in with their favourite philosophical quotes and advice for living well. Some quoted Aristotle, Shakespeare, Rumi, etc. A huge number, however, called in saying "be excellent to each other."
 
2011-11-22 10:12:14 AM  
Pardon me while I pretend to be shocked.
 
2011-11-22 10:12:56 AM  
Maybe he was using the carbolic acid to disintegrate the corpses of young children
 
2011-11-22 10:12:59 AM  

Garm: "We would like to remind Mr Luzzatto that according to Catholic doctrine, canonisation carries with it papal infallibility."

That settles it.


I thought papal infallibility only applies when the pope is directly addressing matters of church doctrine? Though I suppose canonisation COULD fall under a broad interpretation of that. But individual Sainthood seems like a very specific instance where infallibility wouldn't apply. I could see maybe new procedures for cannonising Saints being a decree which could be infallible?

Eh. Whatever. Embamling and vaccuuming sealing corpses and then digging them up in a week and saying 'Oooo, look, almost no decay! Incorruptible! It's a miracle! He's a Saint!' already makes the whole process a joke.
 
2011-11-22 10:16:30 AM  
Padre Pio has a lot in common with every other case of stigmata that has ever existed.
 
2011-11-22 10:17:13 AM  
Yeah we all remember Padre. He was one hell of a guy - could really hold his liquor. Remember the time he depants Gail and ran her shorts up the flag pole. Good times.
 
2011-11-22 10:17:41 AM  
Buddy Christ does not approve.
 
2011-11-22 10:20:16 AM  
mlkshk.com
 
2011-11-22 10:20:29 AM  

gilgigamesh: PainInTheASP: gilgigamesh: PainInTheASP: Don't be a douchebag.

/Paraphrased.
//Trolling doesn't count ;-)

That's like saying: "I don't drink. Except for tequila Everclear rubbing alcohol."

Lindsey Lohan's pee.
 
2011-11-22 10:20:33 AM  

gilgigamesh: I thought needing proof flew in the face of faith, and that faith in Christ's divinity was the cornerstone of Catholicism.

Are our beliefs in Bronze age oral legends that shaky?


Hey, let's be fair. Christianity is firmly rooted in the Iron Age.
 
2011-11-22 10:21:26 AM  
It's that Scumbag Jesus again!

picsaga.com

"Don't Lie" is a mortal sin. Whole premise of story based on a litany of lies.
 
2011-11-22 10:21:33 AM  

BurnShrike: Garm: "We would like to remind Mr Luzzatto that according to Catholic doctrine, canonisation carries with it papal infallibility."

That settles it.

Came here to say exactly that.
"We didn't make a mistake because according to our beliefs, we don't make mistakes"

What a bunch of crooks and frauds.


And I just came here to say exactly that.
 
2011-11-22 10:23:36 AM  
Carbolic acid? Coulda just used a drill, a long screw and a GI Joe doll at Stewart's house.
 
2011-11-22 10:23:51 AM  
OOOOOOOOOOOOOH! Stigmata thread!

There's one instance where a well-aimed case of "stigmata" came in handy: just go watch the Butterfly Effect.

Okay, so maybe it's also quite handy when gulling the poor, the down-trodden and otherwise sorry people who need something to carry themselves through what would otherwise be a life of shiat. I just constantly wonder why they trade one kind of shiat for another, but most of us do the same things with politicians anyway, so at least that's something we all have in common.

Personally, I prefer going for the "don't be a douchebag"-philosophy. I may not always succeed, but it's worth working towards.
 
2011-11-22 10:24:54 AM  
Another religious nut exposed. What else is new?
 
2011-11-22 10:25:47 AM  

BurnShrike: Came here to say exactly that.
"We didn't make a mistake because according to our beliefs, we don't make mistakes"

What a bunch of crooks and frauds.


Ring ring ring!

Church thread on Fark, virulent Know Nothings power activate!

Ring ring ring!

Hey you know what carbonic acid was really used for? Antiseptic properties. It is as about effective as CAUSING bleeding as Spittle Soaked Atheists are at teaching tolerance.
 
2011-11-22 10:26:13 AM  

gilgigamesh: I thought needing proof flew in the face of faith, and that faith in Christ's divinity was the cornerstone of Catholicism.

Are our beliefs in Bronze age oral legends that shaky?


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-11-22 10:28:07 AM  
Padre Pio was a fraud. A bunko artist.
 
2011-11-22 10:28:40 AM  

RexTalionis: Maybe he put it in a smoke ball and breathed it in to avoid getting sick?

/Obscure.


The one annual formal dance at my law school was called the "Carbolic Ball." Nothing is obscure!
 
2011-11-22 10:29:23 AM  
I love those other cases where someone gets stigmata and well-meaning skeptics rationalize it as "psychosomatic", as in the person's zealous belief causes them to blister and bleed. Yeah, the mind is a powerful thing, and we are just beginning to understand how your mind can affect your body. However it's a lot simpler and more likely that the person is injuring themselves and lying.

I know that for some of us, that's a radical notion, that kindly old catholic men and pious catholic schoolgirls would injure themselves and lie about it for the attention. But come one, it's not some mind over matter that is doing this.
 
2011-11-22 10:30:59 AM  

RexTalionis: kingoomieiii: Papal infallibility is considered retroactive? How can they possibly believe that, by the decree of a council, that a man who was once a german youngster, has NEVER EVER BEEN WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING?

Oh yeah, willful, pathetic ignorance. That's the answer.

Not for anything, but isn't the doctrine of papal infallibility limited to matters of ecclesiastical proclamation?


Wonder what St Christopher has to say about that. Wait, he's not a saint anymore.
/ You are correct. According to dogma: does not state either that the Pope cannot sin in his own personal life or that he is necessarily free of error, even when speaking in his official capacity, outside the specific contexts in which the dogma applies. Therefor, the pope can be wrong, and is not impeccable, eg free from the possibility of sin.
 
2011-11-22 10:31:37 AM  
i568.photobucket.com
 
2011-11-22 10:36:45 AM  

SuperMeekrat: Wonder what St Christopher has to say about that. Wait, he's not a saint anymore.


Yes he is. his feast day was removed from the calandar, that is all.
 
2011-11-22 10:36:48 AM  
I was at the Vatican the day Padre Pio was canonized; it was an amazing upheaval of emotions for most people there. If it helps people sleep at night or makes them be better to their fellow man, live and let live. You don't need to discredit someone's beliefs, that just tends to make people stabby.
 
2011-11-22 10:42:13 AM  
Yeah right. Next they'll be trying to tell us that all those statues that cry blood and Jebus faces appearing on Tortilla chips and outhouse doors are fake too!
 
2011-11-22 10:42:53 AM  

Daniwould: that just tends to make people stabby.


That does make life more interesting, though.
 
2011-11-22 10:43:18 AM  

halfof33: BurnShrike: Came here to say exactly that.
"We didn't make a mistake because according to our beliefs, we don't make mistakes"

What a bunch of crooks and frauds.

Ring ring ring!

Church thread on Fark, virulent Know Nothings power activate!

Ring ring ring!

Hey you know what carbonic acid was really used for? Antiseptic properties. It is as about effective as CAUSING bleeding as Spittle Soaked Atheists are at teaching tolerance.


Think of it as the Jewish sky god's test for you.
 
2011-11-22 10:44:56 AM  

Daniwould: I was at the Vatican the day Padre Pio was canonized; it was an amazing upheaval of emotions for most people there. If it helps people sleep at night or makes them be better to their fellow man, live and let live. You don't need to discredit someone's beliefs, that just tends to make people stabby.


If you need a lie to make you a better person, instead of doing it because it's the right thing to do, you are probably a bad person.
 
2011-11-22 10:46:24 AM  
FTFA: "We would like to suggest to Mr Luzzatto that he dedicates his energies to studying religion properly."

Hmmm...seems to me that that's exactly what he was doing. Asking questions, seeking the truth behind the myth. Oh, wait...this is RELIGION we're talking about. Never mind.
 
2011-11-22 10:46:57 AM  

halfof33: Hey you know what carbonic acid was really used for? Antiseptic properties. It is as about effective as CAUSING bleeding as Spittle Soaked Atheists are at teaching tolerance.


First, it's carBOLic acid. Second, from the wiki:
It is only mildly acidic but requires careful handling due to its propensity to cause burns.

Repeated or prolonged skin contact with phenol may cause dermatitis, or even second and third-degree burns due to phenol's caustic and defatting properties.
 
2011-11-22 10:48:10 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: are at teaching tolerance.

Think of it as the Jewish sky god's test for you.


lulz. Thanks.

Welcome to the Neo-Know Nothing Party.

/Catholic threads on Fark sound one hell of a lot like Chick tracts and Westboro Baptist revivals. Good company!
 
2011-11-22 10:48:42 AM  

halfof33: ...Hey you know what carbonic acid was really used for? Antiseptic properties...


Ya know... that kinda fits with cutting into your hands. Or dealing with bleeding from your palms if you don't trust your god to take care of it. At any rate, I wasn't even aware that Carbonic Acid could be strong enough to be used as an antiseptic. I thought it was just what you get when you dissolve carbon dioxide in water, like fizzy water or in your blood. But if anyone is bothering to sell it, then I guess they must have a more concentrated solution.

/Either way, that must've HURT
 
2011-11-22 10:52:27 AM  

Daniwould: You don't need to discredit someone's beliefs, that just tends to make people stabby.


I really hate to say this, but most religion is based on people already being stabby without the discrediting. It never really stopped being stabby since its inception.

/Do unto others, etc.
 
2011-11-22 10:52:42 AM  

Humean_Nature: First, it's carBOLic acid. Second, from the wiki:
It is only mildly acidic but requires careful handling due to its propensity to cause burns.


Correction cheerfully noted!

Burns? Defatted tissue? But not bleeding?

Thanks for backing me up.

/I'm not saying that it could not cause bleeding, but it would be about as effective as using a match to take a blood sample.
 
2011-11-22 10:53:19 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: PainInTheASP: kingoomieiii: PainInTheASP: So it's better to lie to preserve the dogma because...you know...little people?

That particular rule is actually already PART of the dogma. Anyone who's ever been told to stop asking inconvenient questions at catechism can tell you that.

"This is comforting to people! Stop tearing it down! Now, moving on. YOU WILL ALL BURN IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THESE ODDLY-SPECIFIC RULES. Once again- comforting!"

I am so glad I dropped out of confirmation and never went back....I figured as long as I tried to follow one rule I'd be okay:

Don't be a douchebag.

/Paraphrased.
//Trolling doesn't count ;-)

Heh. CBC Radio had a show recently where they asked people to call in with their favourite philosophical quotes and advice for living well. Some quoted Aristotle, Shakespeare, Rumi, etc. A huge number, however, called in saying "be excellent fabulous to each other."

 
2011-11-22 10:53:49 AM  

GBmanNC: Daniwould: I was at the Vatican the day Padre Pio was canonized; it was an amazing upheaval of emotions for most people there. If it helps people sleep at night or makes them be better to their fellow man, live and let live. You don't need to discredit someone's beliefs, that just tends to make people stabby.

If you need a lie to make you a better person, instead of doing it because it's the right thing to do, you are probably a bad person.


Indeed. And if I need to humor someone's idiotic beliefs to keep them from being stabby, well that's why I'm a gun owner.

/knife to a gun fight
//meh
 
2011-11-22 10:54:56 AM  

Daniwould: I was at the Vatican the day Padre Pio was canonized; it was an amazing upheaval of emotions for most people there. If it helps people sleep at night or makes them be better to their fellow man, live and let live. You don't need to discredit someone's beliefs, that just tends to make people stabby.


What a coincidence, I was too! Never seen a bigger crowd in my life!
 
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