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2011-11-22 08:37:48 AM
Maybe they can use some of the savings to focus on basketball recruiting.
 
2011-11-22 08:44:15 AM
I was fine until they cut tumbling. NOBODY CUTS TUMBLING AND GETS AWAY WITH IT! NOT ON MY WATCH!
 
2011-11-22 08:51:05 AM
Thanks, Debbie Yow. We really needed all those luxury boxes at Byrd Stadium that nobody bought.

Oh, and Maryland alumni donations are pathetic.
 
2011-11-22 08:54:22 AM
Are they drowning in debt?
 
2011-11-22 09:03:54 AM
Arkanaut: Are they drowning in debt?

They are land turtles. They do not swim.
 
2011-11-22 09:07:57 AM
just a thought:

Suppose colleges and universities did away with all sports with exception of physicial education I wonder how much tuition and fees would be?
 
2011-11-22 09:22:41 AM
I used to be a huge Terps fan with season tickets to football and bball. When they won the bball title and moved from Cole to Comcast, I lost my seats and stopped going to games. When they won 30 football games in three years, I lost my seats and stopped going to games. Now that they are floundering, I could really care less.
 
2011-11-22 09:27:53 AM
Yanks_RSJ: Thanks, Debbie Yow. We really needed all those luxury boxes at Byrd Stadium that nobody bought.

Oh, and Maryland alumni donations are pathetic.


It's not really a school people are happy to go to. You can't expect people to open their wallets given that they spend 4 years among unhappy people in a neighborhood that is both back breakingly expensive and one of the most dangerous in the nation.
 
2011-11-22 09:47:07 AM
wrenchboy: just a thought:

Suppose colleges and universities did away with all sports with exception of physicial education I wonder how much tuition and fees would be?


According to my most recent tuition bill, about $200 less. So, basically, a drop in the bucket.
 
2011-11-22 09:50:04 AM
wrenchboy: just a thought:

Suppose colleges and universities did away with all sports with exception of physicial education I wonder how much tuition and fees would be?


Well if they could just keep football and mens basketball, then tuition would be lower then if they did away with them all. But becasue of silly gender politics, you need 3-4 women's teams in order to keep football alone.

Look at the sports that they are cutting
Mens: Tennis, Indoor Track, Cross Country, Outdoor Track, Swimming and Diving
Women: Acrobatics and Tumbling, Water Polo, Swimming and Diving

Besides the common denominator of Swimming and Diving, it appears they are cutting on the men's side actual sports (in the sense that they are common in high school in all regions). On the women's side they are cutting silly sports that exist for the sole reason of balancing out the gender ratio of the athletes due to Title IX. While maybe a good idea, fact is that more men play sports at all levels before college then women, so it seems silly that just because 50% of the students are women, 50% of the athletes have to be women. It forces men's sports to disproportionately get cut, and for silly women's sports to get added. Does anybody think that Acrobatics and Tumbling should have even been a sport in the first place? Do recruiters troll circuses looking to give away scholarships?

Not trying to be sexist (I do believe that women should have equal opportunities as men to compete athletically), but what is wrong with a little common sense? If it is about awarding scholarships, then just make it so that women are entitled to at least as many scholarships as men, and if more men get football scholarships, then instead of making up sports and awarding dubious athletic scholarships, make them academic scholarships that are funded from the athletic department. Wouldn't you rather have a great scholar attend the school then a great tumbler?
 
2011-11-22 10:02:40 AM
They have to save money to pay for the student riots.
 
2011-11-22 10:04:46 AM
Amanda Beard thread!

www.sports-wired.com

NSFW (new window)
 
2011-11-22 10:22:27 AM
wrenchboy: just a thought:

Suppose colleges and universities did away with all sports with exception of physicial education I wonder how much tuition and fees would be?


I'm failing to catch the cut of your jib. which way are you cutting here?

the tuition and fees would either be higher, or the university would have less to offer.

Having done my undergrad in a big sports school, at first I thought that the focus was too much on sports. Then I realized how much of the sports revenues went to fund my libraries, labs, and academic departments. Now I just say, hook 'em. If the athletics do better, and the fan base increases, so does the prestige and the academics because more funds are available to the university.
 
2011-11-22 10:53:42 AM
Rodbestboy: I used to be a huge Terps fan with season tickets to football and bball. When they won the bball title and moved from Cole to Comcast, I lost my seats and stopped going to games. When they won 30 football games in three years, I lost my seats and stopped going to games. Now that they are floundering, I could really care less.

Spoken like a true Maryland Alumnus.

/hey I went there when they sucked at football and basketball.
//Women's field hockey was the best thing we had
 
2011-11-22 10:54:26 AM
Or they could just drop football. Go the Ivy League route.
 
2011-11-22 11:03:09 AM
No
 
2011-11-22 11:26:50 AM
2wolves: Or they could just drop football. Go the Ivy League route.

Wat?
 
2011-11-22 12:01:11 PM
Yanks_RSJ: Thanks, Debbie Yow. We really needed all those luxury boxes at Byrd Stadium that nobody bought.

Oh, and Maryland alumni donations are pathetic.


Not to mention that she had a bonus attached to our standing in the presidents cup, leading to all those stupid sports being added to begin with.

Then to top it all off she used 25 years of Comcasts naming rights (along with other future incomes) to afford her bloated budget. Now she's gone and so is all of the money.
 
2011-11-22 12:01:40 PM
www.nerdist.com

"I'll always remember Maryland swimminMEMORY DELETED!"
 
2011-11-22 12:28:55 PM
PoochUMD: Yanks_RSJ: Thanks, Debbie Yow. We really needed all those luxury boxes at Byrd Stadium that nobody bought.

Oh, and Maryland alumni donations are pathetic.

Not to mention that she had a bonus attached to our standing in the presidents cup, leading to all those stupid sports being added to begin with.

Then to top it all off she used 25 years of Comcasts naming rights (along with other future incomes) to afford her bloated budget. Now she's gone and so is all of the money.


She's a farking C-word.
 
2011-11-22 01:48:53 PM
VictoryCabal: 2wolves: Or they could just drop football. Go the Ivy League route.

Wat?


Drop out of Div. 1, or whatever they're calling it this year, and do what the Ivys do: No scholarships, high school sized stadiums, no TV. You know, actual student athletics.
 
2011-11-22 02:04:08 PM
Rodbestboy: I used to be a huge Terps fan with season tickets to football and bball. When they won the bball title and moved from Cole to Comcast, I lost my seats and stopped going to games. When they won 30 football games in three years, I lost my seats and stopped going to games. Now that they are floundering, I could really care less.

How did you lose your seats? I know FSU can't bump people in favor of people with more money. Maybe I just figured that was the case everywhere.
 
2011-11-22 02:07:57 PM
As long as they still have partial competitive jazz dance scholarships.
 
2011-11-22 02:09:49 PM
2wolves: VictoryCabal: 2wolves: Or they could just drop football. Go the Ivy League route.

Wat?

Drop out of Div. 1, or whatever they're calling it this year, and do what the Ivys do: No scholarships, high school sized stadiums, no TV. You know, actual student athletics.


THIS - you know, education + kids get to play the sports they played in high school as part of the damn college experience, not as a farking job

/for the record - some Ivy league sports are televised
 
2011-11-22 02:41:48 PM
2wolves: Drop out of Div. 1, or whatever they're calling it this year, and do what the Ivys do: No scholarships, high school sized stadiums, no TV. You know, actual student athletics.

Oh, that's what you meant. You said "drop football" and "Ivy League", and since I watched Harvard play Yale in football on TV just last weekend, your post made no sense.
 
2011-11-22 02:46:18 PM
OK, so gotta ask: How much would they save if they stuck to one, normal farkin' football uniform set rather than having 13 helmets including that gawd awful Maryland flag version?

Or is all that equipment "donated" by Under Armour (based in Maryland)? If that's the case, then everyone still looks bad (both literaly and figuratively) because Under Armour is able to basically use the players as their models without really paying them a cent while the university is allowing it to happen without saying, "Hey, maybe we can just get some cash so these other athletes can still play, too."

College sports sometimes leads to the most head-shaking decision making. Yet everyone loves it so much and is so afraid to lose their jobs that they go along with it and don't challenge the all-powerful dollar, or those in charge. The result? Idiocy. Gah.
 
2011-11-22 03:44:49 PM
Pfighting Polish: Or is all that equipment "donated" by Under Armour (based in Maryland)? If that's the case, then everyone still looks bad (both literaly and figuratively) because Under Armour is able to basically use the players as their models without really paying them a cent while the university is allowing it to happen without saying, "Hey, maybe we can just get some cash so these other athletes can still play, too."

I hate to point out the obvious, but every major college football (and basketball) program is a walking billboard for whichever company signs a contract. It's not "donated" by anyone, Under Armour has a deal with Maryland, much like Nike has a deal with Oregon and about 5 dozen other athletic departments.
 
2011-11-22 04:09:30 PM
pute kisses like a man: wrenchboy: just a thought:

Suppose colleges and universities did away with all sports with exception of physicial education I wonder how much tuition and fees would be?

I'm failing to catch the cut of your jib. which way are you cutting here?

the tuition and fees would either be higher, or the university would have less to offer.

Having done my undergrad in a big sports school, at first I thought that the focus was too much on sports. Then I realized how much of the sports revenues went to fund my libraries, labs, and academic departments. Now I just say, hook 'em. If the athletics do better, and the fan base increases, so does the prestige and the academics because more funds are available to the university.


You Know how much your school's athletic program contributed to its academic one? None, none at all. In fact it probably actually took money away (to say nothing of the student fees they charge to further subsidize the program). There is a REASON schools routinely refuse to release any information about their school's athletic budgets. Not only do they largely suck up ALL the revenue they bring in, but they also drain the resources of wealthy alumni building stadiums and feild houses rather than dorms or labs
 
2011-11-22 04:31:20 PM
The way their basketball team got smoked by Iona (by 26!) a few days ago, maybe they should cut basketball.
 
2011-11-22 04:54:01 PM
VictoryCabal: 2wolves: Drop out of Div. 1, or whatever they're calling it this year, and do what the Ivys do: No scholarships, high school sized stadiums, no TV. You know, actual student athletics.

Oh, that's what you meant. You said "drop football" and "Ivy League", and since I watched Harvard play Yale in football on TV just last weekend, your post made no sense.


It happens. Glad I could clarify.

Take care.
 
2011-11-22 05:55:34 PM
Magorn: pute kisses like a man: wrenchboy: just a thought:

Suppose colleges and universities did away with all sports with exception of physicial education I wonder how much tuition and fees would be?

I'm failing to catch the cut of your jib. which way are you cutting here?

the tuition and fees would either be higher, or the university would have less to offer.

Having done my undergrad in a big sports school, at first I thought that the focus was too much on sports. Then I realized how much of the sports revenues went to fund my libraries, labs, and academic departments. Now I just say, hook 'em. If the athletics do better, and the fan base increases, so does the prestige and the academics because more funds are available to the university.

You Know how much your school's athletic program contributed to its academic one? None, none at all. In fact it probably actually took money away (to say nothing of the student fees they charge to further subsidize the program). There is a REASON schools routinely refuse to release any information about their school's athletic budgets. Not only do they largely suck up ALL the revenue they bring in, but they also drain the resources of wealthy alumni building stadiums and feild houses rather than dorms or labs


I went to the University of Texas. It has one of the few profitable athletic departments. Recently, in 2009 the Texas comptroller revealed that it turned a profit on its 125 million dollar budget. I remember previous profitable years, but I'm not going into a big research project off the bat. I found 3 news articles saying UT athletics were profitable, so I'm happy with my authorities for this venue.

However, it appears that for the most part you are right, most big spending schools are losing money. I was only familiar with UT spending, so I had erroneously presumed that other programs likewise profited from their athletics department.

In my opinion, I don't care too much what they spend if they're turning a profit. I remember a few years back, when I went to school there, they disclosed budgets and what they would do with the profits. A fraction of the profits went back into academics. Profit is profit, no matter the fraction that goes into academics. If athletics can turn a profit and put money in academics, the program is a success in my eyes. Not to mention, athletics programs attract students, who in turn do noteworthy academics such that the prestige of the school is heightened.

/ but, this research just made me a little more proud of my alma mater
// I put that school's name on my resume, that's why I have an interest in how the world sees the school.
/// just like I have a lot of esteem for my graduate school.
 
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