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2011-11-21 09:33:27 PM
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/ I heard Sandusky turned them down ...
 
2011-11-21 11:09:04 PM
Good, I can still hate Arizona.

I mean, the ASU loss would've felt bad this year if Stoops were still coaching. With Rodriguez as their coach, I can go back to really being angry at U of A.
 
2011-11-21 11:27:36 PM
Yeah, good luck with that. You want to run a guy who got run over by Big 10 offenses to run a lackluster team in one of the most offense heavy leagues in the nation? You don't have a farking shot.

At least Arizona will still look like everyone else by not having a spec of defense.
 
2011-11-21 11:47:04 PM
A return of the Desert Storm? Cool.
 
2011-11-22 12:05:21 AM
This is a great hire for Arizona. They would struggle to be relevant in a conference with USC, Oregon, Stanford and a re-emerging UW without a big name like this. And the expectations at Arizona are going to be far below what was expected at Michigan. He can go 8-4 every year and upset one of the big boys every third year and keep his job for as long as he wants there. And the PAC-12 South is woeful. USC is the best team and they're still on sanctions for a couple years. ASU has been revealed to have no clothes, UCLA is an inconsistent mess with likely a fired coach, Utah is adjusting to major conference play and Colorado is atrocious. Arizona could emerge as the #2 program in the P12 South in a couple years.

GAT_00: Yeah, good luck with that. You want to run a guy who got run over by Big 10 offenses to run a lackluster team in one of the most offense heavy leagues in the nation? You don't have a farking shot.


Arizona is not going to out recruit USC or Texas for the top defensive players in their area so the best shot they have is a well run gimmick offense that can put up enough points maybe to take advantage of an off night for one of the top programs in the conference.
 
2011-11-22 12:09:56 AM

bighasbeen: well run gimmick offense


RichRod's gimmick is to have a mobile quarterback, so good luck with that.
 
2011-11-22 12:11:11 AM
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2011-11-22 12:11:22 AM
Not surprisingly, the bus actually picked up speed.
 
2011-11-22 12:22:21 AM

GAT_00: bighasbeen: well run gimmick offense

RichRod's gimmick is to have a mobile quarterback, so good luck with that.


UCLA just recruited a guy out of Arizona (Brett Hundley) who would be perfect for a Rich Rod offense. There isn't a shortage of running QBs at the college level and there especially isn't a shortage of fast WRs and RBs out west.

He can be just as successful at Arizona as he was a West Virginia. That wasn't enough for Michigan, but should be just fine for Tuscon.
 
2011-11-22 12:32:45 AM

bighasbeen: the best shot they have is a well run gimmick offense


it's worked for Oregon

unless you count winning bowls, of course
 
2011-11-22 12:35:27 AM
Just wait until Jim Tressel winds up coaching Arizona State in a year or two.
 
2011-11-22 12:37:24 AM
I always thought the Pac 12 was better when it was the Pac 8

This just confirms my suspicion more.
 
2011-11-22 12:38:04 AM

Funk Brothers: Just wait until Jim Tressel winds up coaching Arizona State in a year or two.


veedeevadeevoodee: [www.answersfrommen.com image 500x382]

/ I heard Sandusky turned them down ...


Of all the people who shouldn't be talking about NCAA violations. Michigan violated the rules by holding extra practices. What did Oh-lie-O St do, I forget?
 
2011-11-22 12:38:09 AM

bighasbeen: USC is the best team and they're still on sanctions for a couple years.


Isn't this their last year of sanctions?
 
2011-11-22 12:39:16 AM

BigJake: bighasbeen: the best shot they have is a well run gimmick offense

it's worked for Oregon

unless you count winning bowls, of course


Which they won't at Arizona. 8-4 and a bowl loss or 7-5 and a bowl win will keep his job. Football is Arizona's second sport. As long as basketball does well Rich Rod will have some wiggle room.

I only wish UCLA's AD thought like a winner and not like that.
 
2011-11-22 12:41:10 AM

bighasbeen: Which they won't at Arizona. 8-4 and a bowl loss or 7-5 and a bowl win will keep his job. Football is Arizona's second sport. As long as basketball does well Rich Rod will have some wiggle room.


That's a mighty tall hill for RichRod to climb.
 
2011-11-22 12:42:25 AM

Neeek: bighasbeen: USC is the best team and they're still on sanctions for a couple years.

Isn't this their last year of sanctions?


The really damaging ones just started this year. Kiffin put them off last year by appealing so he could sign a massive freshman class. The scholarship/roster spot losses start in 2012 (loss of 10 per year) but the post season ban did start last year.
 
2011-11-22 12:47:52 AM

mikaloyd: bighasbeen: Which they won't at Arizona. 8-4 and a bowl loss or 7-5 and a bowl win will keep his job. Football is Arizona's second sport. As long as basketball does well Rich Rod will have some wiggle room.

That's a mighty tall hill for RichRod to climb.


It was only a year or two ago that Arizona went 8-4, nearly beat Oregon and was curb stomped by Nebraska in the Holiday Bowl. UCLA is no better since then, ASU is losing a lot of seniors this year (26), Colorado was added and USC will have fewer scholarships. It's good timing for him, IMO.

/UCLA fan
 
2011-11-22 12:56:19 AM

bighasbeen: Football is Arizona's second sport.


basketball schools are shameful schools
 
2011-11-22 01:05:08 AM

BigJake: bighasbeen: Football is Arizona's second sport.

basketball schools are shameful schools


You're a shameful school.
 
2011-11-22 01:07:57 AM

veedeevadeevoodee: [www.answersfrommen.com image 500x382]

/ I heard Sandusky turned them down ...


Pretty much every coach asked about the Michigan "violations" said any school the NCAA looked at would have similar violations if they combed through the practice time logs. The rules are so convoluted and the additional time practicing was essentially because they didn't realize that stretching counted as practice. I don't understand why, but I think Michigan is the only college team I know of where the home town media actually writes about the team with a negative slant. Even the AA news wrote a 4 part story that amounted to "athletes try to take easier classes".

And as of today, Arizona is my second favorite college team.
 
2011-11-22 01:20:26 AM

Farnn: I think Michigan is the only college team I know of where the home town media actually writes about the team with a negative slant.


come to Seattle
 
2011-11-22 01:28:37 AM
I would also like to take this opportunity to thank Rich for shafting Alabama.
 
2011-11-22 01:37:55 AM
Have fun with that Arizona.
 
2011-11-22 01:39:02 AM
" Arizona has long been a men's basketball power, winning a national title in 1997"
???

1 title makes you a power? really, come on writer.


to give some credit to lute, he was a helluva coach. good team, never a power house.
 
2011-11-22 01:44:41 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: " Arizona has long been a men's basketball power, winning a national title in 1997"
???

1 title makes you a power? really, come on writer.


to give some credit to lute, he was a helluva coach. good team, never a power house.


Being UCLA's lil brudder used to mean something =(
 
2011-11-22 01:47:22 AM
i40.tinypic.com

I'll just leave this here.
 
2011-11-22 01:58:30 AM

bighasbeen: This is a great hire for Arizona. They would struggle to be relevant in a conference with USC, Oregon, Stanford and a re-emerging UW without a big name like this. And the expectations at Arizona are going to be far below what was expected at Michigan. He can go 8-4 every year and upset one of the big boys every third year and keep his job for as long as he wants there. And the PAC-12 South is woeful. USC is the best team and they're still on sanctions for a couple years. ASU has been revealed to have no clothes, UCLA is an inconsistent mess with likely a fired coach, Utah is adjusting to major conference play and Colorado is atrocious. Arizona could emerge as the #2 program in the P12 South in a couple years.

GAT_00: Yeah, good luck with that. You want to run a guy who got run over by Big 10 offenses to run a lackluster team in one of the most offense heavy leagues in the nation? You don't have a farking shot.

Arizona is not going to out recruit USC or Texas for the top defensive players in their area so the best shot they have is a well run gimmick offense that can put up enough points maybe to take advantage of an off night for one of the top programs in the conference.


These are excellent points. The Pac 12 is quickly becoming like the Big 12 in style of play. RichRod can recruit the offensive side of the ball, and Arizona is a great place to go to school as a college kid. They should spring for a good DC though.
 
2011-11-22 02:30:55 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: " Arizona has long been a men's basketball power, winning a national title in 1997"
???

1 title makes you a power? really, come on writer.


to give some credit to lute, he was a helluva coach. good team, never a power house.


Making the NCAA tournament 25 years in a row (including 4 final fours) is pretty impressive if you ask me. I'd definitely put them among the top 10 overall programs over that time span.
 
2011-11-22 02:40:09 AM

BigJake: Farnn: I think Michigan is the only college team I know of where the home town media actually writes about the team with a negative slant.

come to Seattle


Or Minnesota. They can't even say anything positive in the good years. We've had those. I swear.
 
2011-11-22 02:47:49 AM
Could be worse. The Arizona pro team just threw it's bus under a defense.
 
2011-11-22 03:10:48 AM

Lou Brown: What_Would_Jimi_Do: " Arizona has long been a men's basketball power, winning a national title in 1997"
???

1 title makes you a power? really, come on writer.


to give some credit to lute, he was a helluva coach. good team, never a power house.

Making the NCAA tournament 25 years in a row (including 4 final fours) is pretty impressive if you ask me. I'd definitely put them among the top 10 overall programs over that time span.


the top 10 of the last 25 years? no particular order

unc
kentucky
duke
uconn
mich st
florida
syracuse
indiana
michigan
michigan st

arizona

making the tourny 25 years is a feet. but it's agony
 
2011-11-22 03:13:42 AM
agony of da feet
 
2011-11-22 03:20:41 AM
i forgot

kansas
unlv
nc state


go back 40 years

nc state
georgetown
villanova
louisville
maryland
 
2011-11-22 03:31:14 AM
4 final fours (1988, 1994, 1997, 2001) , 1 runner up (2001) 1 title( 1997) for arizona.

since arizona's first final 4 duke has 4 titles, final 4 10 times, they have been a great team, arizona, but not a power house.

accept it
 
2011-11-22 06:09:19 AM
^^
I agree, MSU is so good they should be on that list twice...
 
2011-11-22 08:13:02 AM

Mister Toast: [i40.tinypic.com image 320x240]

I'll just leave this here.


Co-champions in 1993 with USC and UCLA.
 
2011-11-22 08:38:17 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: 4 final fours (1988, 1994, 1997, 2001) , 1 runner up (2001) 1 title( 1997) for arizona.

since arizona's first final 4 duke has 4 titles, final 4 10 times, they have been a great team, arizona, but not a power house.

accept it


No team will ever be Duke. And your first inclination was to put Indiana in that list of "top 10 over last 25 years"? Ahead of Kansas? Michigan State twice? Syracuse and UNLV are teams that had a couple of spectacular years, a lot of great years, and few mediocre years. Arizona edges those teams out. NC State was relevant before Lute Olson showed up at Arizona, but that's the last time.
 
2011-11-22 09:21:27 AM

Nadie_AZ: A return of the Desert Storm? Cool.


I'd worry more about the Desert Shield part.

If RR hires Gibson and starts reassembling his Michigan defensive staff, then AU fans should panic. If he hires a strong DC and lets him run that side of the program, then it won't be so bad.

/I like RR as a person mostly
//I just like him a person associated with a different program
 
2011-11-22 09:35:39 AM

xelnia: Mister Toast: [i40.tinypic.com image 320x240]

I'll just leave this here.

Co-champions in 1993 with USC and UCLA.


And ASU was the Pac-10 co-champ just a few years ago, but they didn't play in the rose bowl either.

No rose bowl, no pac champ.
 
2011-11-22 10:18:01 AM

Krymson Tyde: I would also like to take this opportunity to thank Rich for shafting Alabama.


Remember, he also shafted WVA by using the Alabama offer to squeeze more money out of them, then bolted a year later. Real class act.

My headline would have been "NCAA begins probe of Arizona Football Program"
 
2011-11-22 10:49:50 AM
Cat Food Sandwiches:

My headline would have been "NCAA begins probe of Arizona Football Program"

nittanywhiteout.com

/ Arizona better pray to Tebus he doesn't bring GERG with him
 
2011-11-22 11:47:05 AM

ha-ha-guy: If RR hires Gibson and starts reassembling his Michigan defensive staff, then AU fans should panic. If he hires a strong DC and lets him run that side of the program, then it won't be so bad


I wouldn't be surprised if this time he makes sure he gets his DC from WVU. Their defense has been good at times and never remotely as bad as Michigan's got, and I think Holgorsen may want to bring in his own guy.
 
2011-11-22 12:03:37 PM

xelnia: Mister Toast: [i40.tinypic.com image 320x240]

I'll just leave this here.

Co-champions in 1993 with USC and UCLA.


All three teams had 2 PAC losses that year. Arizona lost to UCLA. USC lost to UCLA and Arizona. UCLA beat both USC and UCLA. Thus, head to head, UCLA was awarded the conference title and a trip to the Rose Bowl. That was a bit of a rip off because Arizona was easily the best PAC team that year: Arizona ripped Miami in the Fiesta while UCLA lost to Bucky in the Rose (really UofA's only decent bowl win in program history).

One thing is for sure, though; when you have more Salad Bowl appearances than Rose + Sugar + Orange + Cotton Bowls combined, your program has legacy of failure.
 
2011-11-22 03:31:12 PM

xelnia: No team will ever be Duke.


And who would want to be the Community College of New Jersey at Durham?
 
2011-11-22 04:22:33 PM

Cat Food Sandwiches:
My headline would have been "NCAA begins probe of Arizona Football Program"


As I told a friend last night when I first heard if this, the over/under on when the U of A will be investigated for NCAA violations is 2 years.

/Sincerely, an ASU alum
//One who thinks we need to find a new coach too.
 
2011-11-22 10:36:07 PM

desertgeek: Cat Food Sandwiches:
My headline would have been "NCAA begins probe of Arizona Football Program"

As I told a friend last night when I first heard if this, the over/under on when the U of A will be investigated for NCAA violations is 2 years.

/Sincerely, an ASU alum
//One who thinks we need to find a new coach too.


Part of what Michigan got in trouble for was having a compliance department that was all kinds of screwed up, which had nothing to do with RR. The other part was over practicing by 20 minutes a week a few times because they thought that stretching didn't count for the 20 countable hours of practice time a week. Every coach asked about the 'infractions' said that most programs in the country are probably guilty of the exact same thing. The whole ordeal was started because a couple of "journalists" had and agenda to get RR fired.
 
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