Everything Frum says has been said before by disgruntled ex-GOPers.
The Jonathan Chait article on the Democratic side is both more interesting and more provoking, although it's probably wrong entirely as well.

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: There's a giant red GOP Clown on every page! Collect all 5!

Luckily there is no giant red Santorum.

gross

GAT_00: Copying myself from the redlit thread:

No matter what he likes to pretend, he left the GOP, not the other way around. He lead them to where they are now. They just stopped listening to him, and when he got mad at them for daring not to listen to him, they kicked him out. The Teabaggers weren't his idea, but they were the next logical step that he didn't see.

We've really gone downhill on intelligent conservative thought if we think a Dubya speechwriter is pretty good.

The poison was in the pipeline for quite a while.

He's the cock stroke who wrote that "Axis of Evil" speech.

Thanks for realizing you screwed up after you advocated policies that helped to bankrupt a nation and kill thousands of young Americans. You were paid well.

Now that the checks have all dried up, your personal opinions shine through.

Jackson Herring: I don't really agree with a lot of his broad statements on Obama's policy, but that was a well-written and reasonable article. Of course since this thread is posting to the main page, this thread will soon turn into an utter cesspit.

The interesting thing about his statements on Obama's policies is that he recognizes and acknowledges that many of his positions are moderate policies and not socialism. He states that he tried to explain to Republican leaders that they ought to make a deal with Obama on the healthcare bill, because a) a lot of the ideas are ideas that had originally been proposed by Republicans in years past; and b) that broadening healthcare coverage is a worthwhile goal. He laments the healthcare bill in this article because a) the Republicans had an unprecedented opportunity to influence and shape the healthcare bill to soften its financial impacts; and b) they missed this opportunity out of their own ideological madness, resulting in a far more liberal entitlement that may never be reversed.

Frum protrays himself as a moderate in a party that has shifted to the right in ways that are virtually unrecognizable. He states that the characterization of Obama as a hard-core socialist is absurd in the face of actual evidence, but that the Republicans in their Fox News-constructed fact cocoon cannot be convinced otherwise.

This is the same guy who quit NPR's Marketplace radio show because he realized he could no longer understand the conservative side as it was being argued in Washington (new window). He's good in my book.

Tigger: I had a conversation with a Republican this weekend.

There were two notable points.

1) He explained stagnant middle class wage growth resulted from the fact that over the last thirty years the tax burden on people earning over one million dollars a year has gone up

2) He explained that if you earn a million dollars a year you are middle class

It's pretty awesome wrongness.

In 1991 I was paying 100% of my employee's medical/prescription drug insurance. It cost me $40 per person per month for an HMO.

As time passed and prices rose, the employee was asked to participate, Now that a similar plan costs over $350 per month, the incremental pay raises that one might expect are being diverted towards paying a higher insurance bill.

Your Doctor/Hospital/Drug Co. is raping you.

Jake Havechek: He's the cock stroke who wrote that "Axis of Evil" speech.

Yeah, not happy about that. I'll let it go. He talks here about ending a cycle of revenge. I'm willing to do that. The #1 beef with the GOP I have is that they completely shut down all hope of debate as a matter of routine. Do everything we say or the country burns. Go against us once and we will make you pay for it the rest of your life. I don't want to go down that road.

The way I've operated is 'when you're ready to discuss things like an adult, I'm right here'. Frum's ready to discuss things like an adult. I'm not going to slam the door on him.

I haven't had a lot of time for David Frum in a long, long time, but this piece is pretty good. As a very left wing Canadian, I actually can see his viewpoint about the Obama government and policies, about Media and conflict. I hated what he stood for (and probably still do) but compared to the current set of Republicans, he seems almost reasonable.

Thanks for the link. Interesting read.

recall that frum dared to take a swipe at limbaugh, then claimed he was blackballed by fox.

THIS IS WHAT LIBERALS BELIEVE Republicans are capable of.

// we're not angry, GOP; we're just disappointed

"You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts."

The right's becoming a victim of their epistemic closure. The logic literally goes like this:

- Liberally-biased sources of information are not to be trusted.
- If an entity mentions a fact that contradicts conservative dogma, that is evidence of liberal bias.
- Therefore, there are no trustworthy contradictions of conservative dogma, therefore conservative dogma is completely correct.

AirForceVet:

I really miss Americans like Frum who are great counter-balances to going too far with liberal ideas. It's such a shame that the current GOP has mutated into such a dismal organization.

If you mean 'North American' than yeah, Frum is "American"....

dogdaze: [i219.photobucket.com image 600x508]

The date on that comic is so depressing.