"They didn't specifically say pizza, only the tomato paste that is part of cheap pizzas. So clearly the entire argument is mistaken and republicans deserve to be president"

That's OK. The majority of Americans have decided the members of Congress are all vegetables.

What happened this week was that Congress blocked that change: Tomato paste will continue to get outsized credit, with one-eighth of a cup essentially counted as something four times larger.

Thus continuing to declare that pizza is a vegetable.

Fail argument is fail.

Codenamechaz: "They didn't specifically say pizza, only the tomato paste that is part of cheap pizzas. So clearly the entire argument is mistaken and republicans deserve to be president"

I actually thought that was a decent blog post, especially the bit:

Measuring fruit and vegetable servings by volume is a bit of an odd convention in the first place. When it comes to calories and nutrients, they're really all over the map. A half-cup of avocado is quite nutritionally different from a half-cup of zucchini.

See, they can't serve white pizza, you illiterate rubes! HA

Hey, farknuts. If pizza sauce is a vegetable, then that means that schools can serve shiatty pizza and say that kids got their vegetables. Ergo, pizza is a vegetable. Christ sakes, no one literally thought there was wording that actually said "pizza is a vegetable."

GAT_00: What happened this week was that Congress blocked that change: Tomato paste will continue to get outsized credit, with one-eighth of a cup essentially counted as something four times larger.

Thus continuing to declare that pizza is a vegetable.

Fail argument is fail.

No, pizza is a food composed of a variety of ingredients, one of which is a "vegetable" (tomato sauce, which, honestly, I would not consider a serving of vegetables, not to mention the tomato is a fruit, which is a whole other issue of government bungling). Pizza also has cheese, which is a dairy product and crust, a bread product. You'd have to be pretty stupid to say that calling the tomato sauce on a pizza a vegetable makes the whole damned pie a vegetable.

Also, I would add pizza isn't the best choice for getting your vegetables, and school lunches should have more vegetables than that, IMO. We always had that bad rectangular pizza and it always came with corn and a salad. I never could figure out who made the decision to pair corn with pizza.

Nabb1: No, pizza is a food composed of a variety of ingredients, one of which is a "vegetable" (tomato sauce, which, honestly, I would not consider a serving of vegetables, not to mention the tomato is a fruit, which is a whole other issue of government bungling). Pizza also has cheese, which is a dairy product and crust, a bread product. You'd have to be pretty stupid to say that calling the tomato sauce on a pizza a vegetable makes the whole damned pie a vegetable.


Nabb1: Also, I would add pizza isn't the best choice for getting your vegetables, and school lunches should have more vegetables than that, IMO. We always had that bad rectangular pizza and it always came with corn and a salad. I never could figure out who made the decision to pair corn with pizza.

The point... you're getting there...

Nabb1: I never could figure out who made the decision to pair corn with pizza.

It's cheap.

The way they used to boil those canned vegetables I doubt you're really getting the full nutritional weight of any of them.

Hoban Washburne: The point... you're getting there...

I'm unconvinced he will.

Hoban Washburne: The point... you're getting there...

I get the point, but saying "Congress declared pizza a vegetable" is stupid.

Nabb1: Hoban Washburne: The point... you're getting there...

I get the point, but saying "Congress declared pizza a vegetable" is stupid.

Okay. Congress effectively declared pizza a vegetable.

Better?

GAT_00: Hoban Washburne: The point... you're getting there...

I'm unconvinced he will.

I suspect you have problems being convinced of a great many things that require even the slightest modicum of thought.

Nabb1: I suspect you have problems being convinced of a great many things that require even the slightest modicum of thought.

Just because you use the word "modicum" doesn't make your position so much more intelligent. One side is making a slightly abstract statement about the consequences of tomato sauce being labeled a vegetable in our public schools. The other side can't get around calling bread and cheese a vegetable because duh it's totally not.

Nabb1: I never could figure out who made the decision to pair corn with pizza.

My friend lived in Turkey for a year, and she told me that pretty much all their pizza had corn on it. Every time someone would tell her about a "great" place that had pizza similar to the NY style, she'd get there and find out it was the same old corn pizza. So I'm guessing Turkey made that decision.

sweetmelissa31: Nabb1: I never could figure out who made the decision to pair corn with pizza.

My friend lived in Turkey for a year, and she told me that pretty much all their pizza had corn on it. Every time someone would tell her about a "great" place that had pizza similar to the NY style, she'd get there and find out it was the same old corn pizza. So I'm guessing Turkey made that decision.

My brother and I saw corn on pizza in Scotland years ago, too. Maybe the Scots had a hand in it. Then again, it wasn't deep fried, so maybe they didn't invent it. We had deep fried pizza at a different restaurant in Scotland.

French fries are also vegetables. Let's serve the kids nothing but French fries. It's cheap and, based on our criteria, it's nutritious!

RexTalionis: French fries are also vegetables. Let's serve the kids nothing but French fries. It's cheap and, based on our criteria, it's nutritious!

If they dip them in ketchup, that's two vegetables, right? We can start feeding them every other day now!

I'm having a hard time getting into this argument because being a logical person, I can see that if you took a medium tomato and scraped out the seeds, put it in a blender and reduced it to paste, you would have maybe 1/4 cup of paste if you were lucky.

1/8 cup paste would be the equivalent of a small tomato which you would count as a serving of vegetable. The fruit/vegetable argument is moot as while tomatoes are "technically" a fruit, they have always been counted as a vegetable.

Lean Cuisine, Weight Watchers, etc. sell pizzas that count the tomato sauce as a serving of vegetable. With low fat mozzarella cheese and sausage/pepperoni you have some protein, the crust counts as a bread serving so it's really a decent meal if you do it right. Like everything else, it's portion control.

Hoban Washburne: RexTalionis: French fries are also vegetables. Let's serve the kids nothing but French fries. It's cheap and, based on our criteria, it's nutritious!

If they dip them in ketchup, that's two vegetables, right?

You know, I wouldn't be shocked if someone actually made that argument in Congress.

Hoban Washburne: RexTalionis: French fries are also vegetables. Let's serve the kids nothing but French fries. It's cheap and, based on our criteria, it's nutritious!

If they dip them in ketchup, that's two vegetables, right? We can start feeding them every other day now!

The feds declared ketchup a vegetable serving for school lunches back in the early 1980's. I think that's far worse than calling tomato paste a vegetable.

Congress declared that the tomato sauce on a slice of pizza is the equivalent of a serving of vegetables.

No, that's not any less stupid.

What do they consider the globs of processed, high fat cheese, dough, and fatty meats that usually come with that tiny serving of "vegetable"?

Who you callin an illegitimate pube?

Lando Lincoln: Congress declared that the tomato sauce on a slice of pizza is the equivalent of a serving of vegetables.

No, that's not any less stupid.

I think it's a stretch to call 1/8 cup of tomato paste a vegetable serving at all regardless of whether it's attached to a slice of pizza or not.

Let's revisit the facts: Despite what one might expect from the headlines, if you scour the agriculture appropriations bill, referenced in numerous stories, you won't find a single mention of the word "pizza," or even "vegetable," for that matter.

So it turns out that the headline writers and smirking pundits who claimed Congress made pizza a vegetable were being dishonest about that. Well that comes as no surprise.

Nabb1: Lando Lincoln: Congress declared that the tomato sauce on a slice of pizza is the equivalent of a serving of vegetables.

No, that's not any less stupid.

I think it's a stretch to call 1/8 cup of tomato paste a vegetable serving at all regardless of whether it's attached to a slice of pizza or not.

Thus, logically it is stupid for them to count pizza as a vegetable serving because it contains 1/8th of a cup of tomato paste, yes?

I think you finally got it!

SkinnyHead: Let's revisit the facts: Despite what one might expect from the headlines, if you scour the agriculture appropriations bill, referenced in numerous stories, you won't find a single mention of the word "pizza," or even "vegetable," for that matter.

So it turns out that the headline writers and smirking pundits who claimed Congress made pizza a vegetable were being dishonest about that. Well that comes as no surprise.

Yes, because as we all know, you can't mean anything unless you literally say it. That's a major rule of the English language.

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Ronald Reagan approves

cameroncrazy1984: Yes, because as we all know, you can't mean anything unless you literally say it. That's a major rule of the English language.

It would help if people these days would be a little more literal and a little less sarcastic.

Did anyone else notice that he was comparing an eighth of a cup of tomato paste to Apples and Oranges?

As in, he was quite literally comparing apples and oranges.

/which, I just might point out, are fruits and thus are completely pointless when the author is trying to prove that tomato past is nutritionally comparable to vegetables.

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: Yes, because as we all know, you can't mean anything unless you literally say it. That's a major rule of the English language.

It would help if people these days would be a little more literal and a little less sarcastic.

Doesn't make you any less wrong.

Ok, people who are saying Congress didn't keep pizza a vegetable? SkinnyHead is on your side. If this does not shame you, stand up so you can be counted.

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: Yes, because as we all know, you can't mean anything unless you literally say it. That's a major rule of the English language.

It would help if people these days would be a little more literal and a little less sarcastic.

You're biatching about sarcasm?! That's just....awesome. You've found a way to top your idiocy.

SphericalTime: Did anyone else notice that he was comparing an eighth of a cup of tomato paste to Apples and Oranges?

As in, he was quite literally comparing apples and oranges.

/which, I just might point out, are fruits and thus are completely pointless when the author is trying to prove that tomato past is nutritionally comparable to vegetables.


The tomato IS actually a fruit. The US Supreme Court declared it a vegetable.

cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: Lando Lincoln: Congress declared that the tomato sauce on a slice of pizza is the equivalent of a serving of vegetables.

No, that's not any less stupid.

I think it's a stretch to call 1/8 cup of tomato paste a vegetable serving at all regardless of whether it's attached to a slice of pizza or not.

Thus, logically it is stupid for them to count pizza as a vegetable serving because it contains 1/8th of a cup of tomato paste, yes?

I think you finally got it!

I suppose if you want to narrow the issue to some hypothetical result of what actually happened (which was actually nothing) in order to frame the discussion that's up to you. And I don't disagree with that, but I think the issue is a bit broader than just whether someone can claim to be providing a serving of vegetables on a pizza because of the sauce.

vernonFL: While the U.S. Department of Agriculture writes guidelines for what school meals should look like, few schools actually follow them.

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Most of them don't have the money to do so.

Nabb1: cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: Lando Lincoln: Congress declared that the tomato sauce on a slice of pizza is the equivalent of a serving of vegetables.

No, that's not any less stupid.

I think it's a stretch to call 1/8 cup of tomato paste a vegetable serving at all regardless of whether it's attached to a slice of pizza or not.

Thus, logically it is stupid for them to count pizza as a vegetable serving because it contains 1/8th of a cup of tomato paste, yes?

I think you finally got it!

I suppose if you want to narrow the issue to some hypothetical result of what actually happened (which was actually nothing) in order to frame the discussion that's up to you. And I don't disagree with that, but I think the issue is a bit broader than just whether someone can claim to be providing a serving of vegetables on a pizza because of the sauce.

What is the broader issue here?

vernonFL: The tomato IS actually a fruit. The US Supreme Court declared it a vegetable.

This is true, but the point of the author was that it's comparable to vegetables . . . illustrated by apples and oranges.

vernonFL: The tomato IS actually a fruit. The US Supreme Court declared it a vegetable.

It's a fruit botanically, but in terms of how humans use it in cooking, it groups better with vegetables. I don't think that is outrageous.

The whole reason they voted on making pizza sauce a vegetable is so they could keep serving pizza in schools. It was their lobbyist paid for loophole to keep our kids fat. The author was probably paid quite handsomely for that piece of shiat article.