They're playing themselves out of drafting a relevant QB in what is likely to be the best QB draft in a decade.

That being said if Matt Moore is legit and continues to improve then perhaps my Dolphins don't need a QB so much after all.

As a Patriots fan, it pleases me that the Bills and Jets are losing... With Miami so far out of it right now, i can't be bothered.

Needless to say, good for Miami and Sparano (who i believe does a dayum good job with what he has.) Though, i still think he's on the skids and most likely out the door at the end of this season.

IKanHazaBukkit: Though, i still think he's on the skids and most likely out the door at the end of this season.

Short of winning out, making the playoffs, and going on an incredible run to the AFC championship or beyond Sparano and Jeff Ireland are toast at the end of the season.

In other news, the Panthers are the best team in South Florida at the moment.

SlothB77: Since they lost to Denver, Miami is 3-0. After having been blessed by his presence, Miami is rewarded with wins.
Oakland lost to Denver, since then they are 2-0.

Kansas City lost to Denver. They play New England tonight. I predict a KC win.

I'll give you $5 if you're right

Oh Jesus please let KC beat New England tonight.

GimpyNip: Is it not possible for people to be excited about a bevy of young players who are doing well? It's great for the league that Dalton, Tebow, Newton, and Moore are doing well.

Tebow is NOT doing well. Denver's running game and defense have been playing lights-out. Cam Newton, on the other hand, has been playing surprisingly well but the rest of the team hasn't been.

Cam's been completely out-playing Tebow, but the moral of the story is that the QB can't win games by himself. Cam will be fine, though, because it's pretty obvious he's not to blame for the Panthers' record. He's not perfect but he's doing what any NFL OC would call competent. The unfortunate thing for Tebow is that by actually getting a reputation as a "winner" and saving his best play for the 4th quarter, he might be setting himself up to take the disproporationate share of the blame if the Broncos' defense doesn't hold up.

SlothB77: Since they lost to Denver, Miami is 3-0

Didn't they lose to the Giants? I was at that game. The Denver game was after that?

Can the Giants pick him up, so we can finally dump Eli "The Lesser" Manning?

Tim Tebow is the new Vince Young. He' going to do things that look good, and then things that look totally terrible and we'll never get a sure answer of whether he's any good because of all the other variables involved. Needless to say he'll stay around too long and nobody will have any success with him.

Hey guys I have an idea! Let's turn this Matt Moore thread into a Tim Tebow thread! After all, Tebow is a lot more interesting to talk about. He's controversial, gets people's emotions going, has a great won-loss record and awful stats. I'd love to hear everyone's opinion.

good for him.
/don't like the dolphins.

Yeah they lost to the Giants the week after they lost to Denver. They're 3-0 after playing the Giants, and they barely lost that game. At some point in the 3rd quarter Matt Moore was leading the fantasy rushing stats.

The new stadium is nice, btw. Maybe that's the source of their inspiration.

Oh and also,

Miami over Dallas. BOOK IT!

OhMyTVC15: Oh and also,

Miami over Dallas. BOOK IT!

Let it go Lett!

MiamiBlues: Hey guys I have an idea! Let's turn this Matt Moore thread into a Tim Tebow thread! After all, Tebow is a lot more interesting to talk about. He's controversial, gets people's emotions going, has a great won-loss record and awful stats. I'd love to hear everyone's opinion.

I was wondering if we were going to get our regularly-scheduled Monday morning Two-Minute Hate for Tim Tebow thread.

This'll have to do.

The Smails Kid: MiamiBlues: Hey guys I have an idea! Let's turn this Matt Moore thread into a Tim Tebow thread! After all, Tebow is a lot more interesting to talk about. He's controversial, gets people's emotions going, has a great won-loss record and awful stats. I'd love to hear everyone's opinion.

I was wondering if we were going to get our regularly-scheduled Monday morning Two-Minute Hate for Tim Tebow thread.

This'll have to do.

Tebow is the reason i can't watch ESPN First Take anymore... too much Tebowing Tebow for Tebows.

barebacking?

Matt Moore actually could be a good QB to have at the helm.

Did you know he's completing 62.9% of his passes this year? Or that his career completion % is 59.4%? What about the fact that he went 6-2 his first two years with the Panthers where he saw any action? That for his career, he is 10-8 and two of those losses were by 3 points this year on a team that was winless?

All he really needs to do is cut over on his turnover ratio, but he's actually turning the ball over less than Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, DREW BREES, Mark Sanchez...you get the idea. *

* Going by INTs per game and not total number of INTs. All of them average one or more INT a game, Matt Moore averages slightly less(I believe around 0.83?)

Also, he just turned 27 this August.

Use your picks on the rest of the team, Dolphins, and give Matt Moore a chance.

Pratty: Use your picks on the rest of the team, Dolphins, and give Matt Moore a chance.

This would be the smart thing to do...so I bet they won't.
From the talking heads on ESPN there are a lot of good QBs in the draft this year (I don't follow NCAA enough to know for myself). So if they really want to get a QB they should do it in the later rounds.

/Depending on how Hanie does for the Bears an insurance QB for the Bears might be possible later, though I prefer they try to get youth in other areas.

IKanHazaBukkit:

Needless to say, good for Miami and Sparano (who i believe does a dayum good job with what he has.)

Huh? Sparano is a goddamn incompetent boob. Nothing is going to change that.

GimpyNip: I don't get the Matt Moore butthurt. Is it not possible for people to be excited about a bevy of young players who are doing well? It's great for the league that Dalton, Tebow, Newton, and Moore are doing well

Why no Colt McCoy?

Pratty: All he really needs to do is cut over on his turnover ratio, but he's actually turning the ball over less than Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, DREW BREES, Mark Sanchez...you get the idea. *

* Going by INTs per game and not total number of INTs. All of them average one or more INT a game, Matt Moore averages slightly less(I believe around 0.83?)

Yeah, he's not doing a terrible job. . . so why post this BS? You're saying he turns the ball over less than Drew Brees? That's because Brees throws so much. Brees' INT rate is 2.6%, significantly less than Moore's. And, his completion rate is over 70% against defenses that know he's going to throw over 30 times a game. Moore doesn't compare to Brees, at least not yet. Sanchez, Dalton, Newtone and Moore are basically at the same INT pace at 3.0-3.1%. Which is. . . acceptable. League average. Problem is, you cherry-pick your stats you lose credibility.

You also need to be careful looking at completion rate. It's highly dependent on other factors such as receiver drop rate and pass protection. With a good set of receivers and good protection, a 60+% completion rate should be a bare-minimum expectation for any decent NFL QB. Anything less is often a symptom of throwaways because they're getting rushed. NFL QBs are coached to avoid the INT and the sack (read - fumble), so in a pinch they'll throw to where the receiver maybe has a 10% chance of catching it but the defense has zero. They'll take those odds over an INT or sack, every time.

TL:DR; completion rate is often more a function of pass protection than QB competence. A competent QB has a low INT rate and a low sack rate. Moore's is. . . acceptable.

mynameisdouglas: Pratty: Use your picks on the rest of the team, Dolphins, and give Matt Moore a chance.

This would be the smart thing to do...so I bet they won't.
From the talking heads on ESPN there are a lot of good QBs in the draft this year (I don't follow NCAA enough to know for myself). So if they really want to get a QB they should do it in the later rounds.

/Depending on how Hanie does for the Bears an insurance QB for the Bears might be possible later, though I prefer they try to get youth in other areas.

There's five QBs to be aware of for this draft, in order of how I would draft them:
Andrew Luck out of Stanford(Actually a Junior who could come back another year if he doesn't like who gets #1)
Kellen Moore of Boise State
Nick Foles out of Arizona
Landry Jones out of Oklahoma(Junior, might not come out)
Case Keenum out of Houston

The talking heads will talk about Matt Barkley out of USC, but his stats don't match is hype. Barkley is also a junior, so he could stay a year if those five come out to get a better draft position next year.

If you wanted, you could probably get Keenum in the 4th-5th. I suspect all of Nick Foles, Kellen Moore, Andrew Luck and Landry Jones will be gone by the end of the second round, however. Barkley will probably go in the 3rd.

dragonchild: Pratty: All he really needs to do is cut over on his turnover ratio, but he's actually turning the ball over less than Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, DREW BREES, Mark Sanchez...you get the idea. *

* Going by INTs per game and not total number of INTs. All of them average one or more INT a game, Matt Moore averages slightly less(I believe around 0.83?)

Yeah, he's not doing a terrible job. . . so why post this BS? You're saying he turns the ball over less than Drew Brees? That's because Brees throws so much. Brees' INT rate is 2.6%, significantly less than Moore's. And, his completion rate is over 70% against defenses that know he's going to throw over 30 times a game. Moore doesn't compare to Brees, at least not yet. Sanchez, Dalton, Newtone and Moore are basically at the same INT pace at 3.0-3.1%. Which is. . . acceptable. League average. Problem is, you cherry-pick your stats you lose credibility.

You also need to be careful looking at completion rate. It's highly dependent on other factors such as receiver drop rate and pass protection. With a good set of receivers and good protection, a 60+% completion rate should be a bare-minimum expectation for any decent NFL QB. Anything less is often a symptom of throwaways because they're getting rushed. NFL QBs are coached to avoid the INT and the sack (read - fumble), so in a pinch they'll throw to where the receiver maybe has a 10% chance of catching it but the defense has zero. They'll take those odds over an INT or sack, every time.

TL:DR; completion rate is often more a function of pass protection than QB competence. A competent QB has a low INT rate and a low sack rate. Moore's is. . . acceptable.

I honestly didn't really think of it much. I just was suprised that Drew Brees threw so many INTs, so I figured I would post it.

I would say Moore is better than Sanchez at least. The INT % pace you posted seems about right, though Newton seems to be an INT machine so IDK about that one, but eh. (That's really the only problem I have with Newton)

The Bills were taken out by a formerly weak Dolphins team, and the Giants lose to the left for dead Eagles. Plus the Jets fail against the Broncos. Weak NY Football team Trifecta is complete for the week.

GimpyNip: I don't get the Matt Moore butthurt. Is it not possible for people to be excited about a bevy of young players who are doing well? It's great for the league that Dalton, Tebow, Newton, and Moore are doing well.

One of these things is not like the other. Moore has been in the league for 5 years, he's not anywhere near a rookie like the others you mention.

That being said, he's a 59% completion guy with pretty much 1:1 TD:INT ratio.

Also, he played at Oregon State which means he's automatically awesome.

/Beaver Believer

Pratty: I would say Moore is better than Sanchez at least. The INT % pace you posted seems about right, though Newton seems to be an INT machine so IDK about that one, but eh.

I haven't had a chance to watch Moore but I've watched me some Sanchez and yeah, the guy isn't impressive. He's not bad, but it seems the Jets aren't asking him to do too much. Reminds me of Eli Manning -- not in terms of style per se, but a guy with average skills who doesn't stupid enough to lose the game. Which is fine; not everyone can be Peyton Manning but if I can't have Peyton I'll pick the guy who doesn't pretend to be a superhero. I'd be OK with either Sanchez or Moore on my team.

The reason why Cam Newton seems to be throwing lots of picks is because he's throwing an awful lot for a young option QB. Surprisingly, his stats more closely resemble a league-average pocket passer. Heck, as of last week he had more pass attempts than Matt Hasselbeck.

dragonchild: Pratty: I would say Moore is better than Sanchez at least. The INT % pace you posted seems about right, though Newton seems to be an INT machine so IDK about that one, but eh.

I haven't had a chance to watch Moore but I've watched me some Sanchez and yeah, the guy isn't impressive. He's not bad, but it seems the Jets aren't asking him to do too much. Reminds me of Eli Manning -- not in terms of style per se, but a guy with average skills who doesn't stupid enough to lose the game. Which is fine; not everyone can be Peyton Manning but if I can't have Peyton I'll pick the guy who doesn't pretend to be a superhero. I'd be OK with either Sanchez or Moore on my team.

The reason why Cam Newton seems to be throwing lots of picks is because he's throwing an awful lot for a young option QB. Surprisingly, his stats more closely resemble a league-average pocket passer. Heck, as of last week he had more pass attempts than Matt Hasselbeck.

I'd really like Sanchez more if he had a better completion %: He's just now topping off 57%(Well, 57.1%) this year and before that never topped 54.8%. Dunno about his sack rate, but it always seems to me like he gets a decent amount of time on average. If he improved his descision making some he could be a textbook great game manager.

MayoSlather: They're playing themselves out of drafting a relevant QB in what is likely to be the best QB draft in a decade.

This is why I don't look at the Dolphins fan sites anymore; everybody crying about "their team" ruining everything by winning some games. I live in northern New England. I don't trudge through the snow to the sports bar every Sunday to see my team try to get into a good draft position.

One of those two other teams that won three in a row after starting 0-7, the '86 Colts, started 0-13 and then played themselves out of drafting Vinny Testaverde. I think he has a Super Bowl ring, right?

The psychological boost these wins are giving to all sixty guys on this long-suffering team is way more valuable than one over-hyped rookie. I'll take the wins, and let the Colts figure out if Luck sucks or not.

IKanHazaBukkit: Tebow is the reason i can't watch ESPN First Take anymore... too much Tebowing Tebow for Tebows.

Tebow saved this man from ESPN! Testify brother!

macadamnut: One of those two other teams that won three in a row after starting 0-7, the '86 Colts, started 0-13 and then played themselves out of drafting Vinny Testaverde. I think he has a Super Bowl ring, right?

Last time Indy had the first pick in the draft they chose Manning. Just sayin

Lets gooo Teebo, troll the league and take your team to the playoffs!

GimpyNip: Sanchez has been sacked almost as often this year as he was all of last year. The Jets OL has not been what it used to be. That said, no I wouldn't take Moore over Sanchez.

Sanchez has deteriorated over time.

MayoSlather: They're playing themselves out of drafting a relevant QB in what is likely to be the best QB draft in a decade.

Browns, Donks, and Squawks all won yesterday. Suck for Luck is right now: Colts - Vikes - Panthers - Rams - Skins. That's only two gaping QB holes in the first five picks. They're gonna drop.

The Smails Kid: I was wondering if we were going to get our regularly-scheduled Monday morning Two-Minute Hate Trolling for Tim Tebow thread.

This'll have to do.

Fixed.

muck4doo: Why no Colt McCoy?

People outside of Cleveland pay attention to the Browns?

Seriously, yesterday the O-line finally started to look somewhat cohesive, we had Little, Norwood, and MoMass healthy, Obi-Wannaya dropped 100 yards on the Jags, aaaaaaaaaaand we got 14 points with two blown red zone opportunities. Sure, the blocking's been erratic and I don't think Shurmur really trusts Colt, but I'm starting to think there's a reason he dropped to the third round. If RGIII is there at the Browns' pick, you can bet whose name I'd be calling.

Pratty:
There's five QBs to be aware of for this draft, in order of how I would draft them:
Andrew Luck out of Stanford(Actually a Junior who could come back another year if he doesn't like who gets #1)
Kellen Moore of Boise State
Nick Foles out of Arizona
Landry Jones out of Oklahoma(Junior, might not come out)
Case Keenum out of Houston

The talking heads will talk about Matt Barkley out of USC, but his stats don't match is hype. Barkley is also a junior, so he could stay a year if those five come out to get a better draft position next year.

If you wanted, you could probably get Keenum in the 4th-5th. I suspect all of Nick Foles, Kellen Moore, Andrew Luck and Landry Jones will be gone by the end of the second round, however. Barkley will probably go in the 3rd.

No Robert Griffin? That guy is going to be a top 20 pick. Matt Barkley in the third round? Seriously? Probably a top 10 pick. Landry Jones is also going in the top half of the first round.

Kellen Moore shouldn't be rated so highly. He'll be taken along with Keenum in the middle rounds.

You can't just look at what these guys produce in their college career, but how their skills would translate to the pro game.

Colts are going to get Luck.

MayoSlather: They're playing themselves out of drafting a relevant QB in what is likely to be the best QB draft in a decade.

That being said if Matt Moore is legit and continues to improve then perhaps my Dolphins don't need a QB so much after all.

Panthers fan here.

Draft a QB. Trust me.

That game in Miami in two weeks is starting to look a lot tougher.

Pratty: The talking heads will talk about Matt Barkley out of USC, but his stats don't match is hype. Barkley is also a junior, so he could stay a year if those five come out to get a better draft position next year.

The one plus to Barkley is that playing for Lane Kiffin means running an actual pro style, two-back offense. None of this 4 and 5 wide nonsense that in college football works by default since the average team doesn't have enough decent cover guys in the secondary to play anything but a weak zone where literally every route under 10-15 yards is wide open.

Don't know enough about Keenum but Houston's offense isn't very dissimilar to the ones ran historically by Hawaii and Texas Tech where the QB easily puts up 3,500+ yard seasons and a bunch of TD passes.

SlothB77: Since they lost to Denver, Miami is 3-0. After having been blessed by his presence, Miami is rewarded with wins.
Oakland lost to Denver, since then they are 2-0.

Kansas City lost to Denver. They play New England tonight. I predict a KC win.

As a Jets fan, I hope you're right on both counts.

coolio mack: Pratty:
There's five QBs to be aware of for this draft, in order of how I would draft them:
Andrew Luck out of Stanford(Actually a Junior who could come back another year if he doesn't like who gets #1)
Kellen Moore of Boise State
Nick Foles out of Arizona
Landry Jones out of Oklahoma(Junior, might not come out)
Case Keenum out of Houston

The talking heads will talk about Matt Barkley out of USC, but his stats don't match is hype. Barkley is also a junior, so he could stay a year if those five come out to get a better draft position next year.

If you wanted, you could probably get Keenum in the 4th-5th. I suspect all of Nick Foles, Kellen Moore, Andrew Luck and Landry Jones will be gone by the end of the second round, however. Barkley will probably go in the 3rd.

No Robert Griffin? That guy is going to be a top 20 pick. Matt Barkley in the third round? Seriously? Probably a top 10 pick. Landry Jones is also going in the top half of the first round.

Kellen Moore shouldn't be rated so highly. He'll be taken along with Keenum in the middle rounds.

You can't just look at what these guys produce in their college career, but how their skills would translate to the pro game.

Robert Griffin actually totally slipped my mind. I would probably put him above Moore/Foles(Who are interchangable IMO), really the only problem with Griffin is he might stay in another year if Luck and the other QBs go out, since he could be a #1.

Barkley's only plus is he runs a pro style offense, if you ask me.

What, you people thought that the Bills would stay good all year? HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

/Lions are staying good though. Surprisingly.
//If lions make the playoffs (and at this point, I'd say its extremely likely)... they can taunt the bills mercilessly.
///If the Texans make it... they can both taunt the bills mercilessly.

Arkanaut: As a Jets fan, I hope you're right on both counts.

He's not. Miami is 3-1 since the loss to Denver.

No way the Pats lose tonight.

As well as Moore has been playing of late, theres no way I'm comfortable betting he's going to be the cure to Miami's QB ills considering he caught fire against KC, a crashing Bills team, and the Redskins.