Bottom line FTA: "If you're not doing anything wrong [...] then you don't have anything to worry about."

Where have I heard that before?

Marcus Aurelius: Amos Quito: Bottom line FTA: "If you're not doing anything wrong [...] then you don't have anything to worry about."

Where have I heard that before?

And every year, they make the list of criminal activities longer and longer.





Subversive overtones detected in speech patterns.

brigid_fitch: Meh, you're out in public so no privacy is being invaded. I don't have a problem w/CCTV's even the level at which they are in England. However, law enforcement is bound by the same rules, therefore I can film them. And take pictures of buildings.


You sound like a terrorist.

You have no privacy. Get over it.

/forget who first said that

BroVinny: You have no privacy. Get over it.

/forget who first said that


I think it was this guy

Peeping Tom Spotted Inside Portable Toilet (new window) (new window)

Lol. "New window".

brigid_fitch: Meh, you're out in public so no privacy is being invaded. I don't have a problem w/CCTV's even the level at which they are in England. However, law enforcement is bound by the same rules, therefore I can film them. And take pictures of buildings.

And yet - even at the level of England - they don't prevent crime.

bravian: brigid_fitch: Meh, you're out in public so no privacy is being invaded. I don't have a problem w/CCTV's even the level at which they are in England. However, law enforcement is bound by the same rules, therefore I can film them. And take pictures of buildings.

And yet - even at the level of England - they don't prevent crime.

The purpose of surveillance is not to PREVENT crime, any more than execution deters murderers and rapists. The purpose of surveillance is to make it easier to track people down after they COMMIT a crime.

I use/implemented one of the scanning cameras and they are a technological masterpiece. That said they are a but Orwellian, but mostly what we get, at least with my agency are expired tags, and I know I've heard enough people on here biatch about how cars pay for all the roads, so it seems a wash. The data isn't stored for a long period of time, and it only flags on people who would get hit if we ran the plate manually anyway.

Descartes: But police say the tag readers can give them a critical jump on a child abductor, information about when a vehicle left - or entered - a crime scene, and the ability to quickly identify a suspected terrorist's vehicle as it speeds down the highway, perhaps to an intended target.


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Yeah. Them terr-rists are SCARY!

/Give me your wallet. I'll protect you

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SQL injection to get around said license-plate cameras....Priceless

I didn't know that little Bobby Tables was old enough to drive!

Professor Kerr is a slimy bastard. If you read his blog (which sucks), he comes out in favor of pretty much any sort of surveillance that occurs in public, and never discusses there difference between the ubiquitous, cheap surveillance available now as compared to what the founders thought was possible.

So he just gets through life as a concern troll on this.

fark him.

"If you're not doing anything wrong [...] then you don't have anything to worry about.". Move along, citizen.

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I think we've found Little Bobby Tables' mother's car.

If the technology is no different than a policeman standing on a public corner watching things, I'm OK with it.

If the technology is the same as having a policeman chained to me everywhere I go, I have a problem with it.

I wouldn't mind ALPR cameras being pretty much everywhere, just so long as it was mandated that they could NOT log all plates, but only return hits from a 'wanted' file... and that violating that rule would result in jail time for everyone from the tech who set it up through the manager and as high as you could manage, and then back down the chain again to hammer everyone who USED the data.

This same rule should apply for private ALPR - you can use it to control access to your lot, but can't log unrecognized plates, and you can't turn over any log files without a judicial order to do so.

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I didn't know that little Bobby Tables was old enough to drive!

Damn you.... damn you to hell... THAT'S MY JOKE.

mark12A: If the technology is no different than a policeman standing on a public corner watching things, I'm OK with it.

If the technology is the same as having a policeman chained to me everywhere I go, I have a problem with it.

I think it's more of the latter.

The technology is the same as having a policeman on every street corner marking in a common shared notebook everyone who passes by.

What's the difference between that and having a policeman chained to you everywhere you go?

I guess it would be okay for me to attach a GPS tracking device to a police car then. They are out in public so they should have no expectation of privacy. I'm sure they wouldn't mind since they have nothing to hide.

"We didn't start the fire"

too bad no one gives a *BOING* about putting it out

Give it time. When it's technologically feasible, you won't be able to start your car without permission from the state.

I wonder how useful it's going to be to show who your local representative has been seeing on the side? I can't see this not being used by one political party against another.

I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it if it could only be activated like a code adam alert, specifically looking for a criminal in the act. Not if they're just gathering information at random to see who they can catch at something.

The one justification I can see is that they're only monitoring public locations. This isn't as bad as the warrantless wiretapping of American citizens that's already allowed.

brigid_fitch: Meh, you're out in public so no privacy is being invaded.

Ergo stalking should be legal as long as the stalker does not enter private property.

Erebus1954: I guess it would be okay for me to attach a GPS tracking device to a police car then. They are out in public so they should have no expectation of privacy. I'm sure they wouldn't mind since they have nothing to hide.


Indeed, why not ALL police cars? And judges? And politicians?

As they are public servants, should we not be able to track all of their movements in real-time via the internet?

If they've done nothing wrong, they have noting to fear.

Right?

j0ndas: The purpose of surveillance is to make it easier to track people down after they COMMIT a crime.

FTFY

I have some serious concerns about this. About a decade ago my brother started farking up everything in his life, and every time he got caught farking up he'd give them my name and SS number. So I have all these warrants floating around out there now that he's in jail in Arizona. I expect to get pulled over every time there's a cop behind me at a stop light for example. It happens about twice a year, and usually involves some time in the back of a police car and/or the station, sometimes a strip search looking for tattoos, and on rare occasions they're reasonable and actually read the notes on their computer screen and let me go.

Anyway, this kind of surveillance is going to make my life a living hell. It'll go from twice a year to twice a week or more.

And yes, I've tried to fix this. Three lawyers in three different states, the intervention of a state senator, and two trips across the country to try to prove I wasn't driving drunk in Oregon in August of 1997 (where were you on August 13, 1997--yeah, I can't prove it, either). Guess what? This shiat doesn't go away. My only hope is that when my brother gets out of jail he goes to all these different places and turns himself in. Think that'll happen?

Yeah, I'm bitter. This is going to be AWFUL.

Give it time. When it's technologically feasible, you won't be able to start your car without permission from the state.

The hardware is already in place. It's called OnStar.

Which is why i refuse to have anything to do with OnStar.

/I'm moving to the country, gonna raise me a lot of peaches

Whatever happened to the old days of remote-controlled flip-down phony license plates?

JerkStore: I have some serious concerns about this. About a decade ago my brother started farking up everything in his life, and every time he got caught farking up he'd give them my name and SS number. So I have all these warrants floating around out there now that he's in jail in Arizona. I expect to get pulled over every time there's a cop behind me at a stop light for example. It happens about twice a year, and usually involves some time in the back of a police car and/or the station, sometimes a strip search looking for tattoos, and on rare occasions they're reasonable and actually read the notes on their computer screen and let me go.

Anyway, this kind of surveillance is going to make my life a living hell. It'll go from twice a year to twice a week or more.

And yes, I've tried to fix this. Three lawyers in three different states, the intervention of a state senator, and two trips across the country to try to prove I wasn't driving drunk in Oregon in August of 1997 (where were you on August 13, 1997--yeah, I can't prove it, either). Guess what? This shiat doesn't go away. My only hope is that when my brother gets out of jail he goes to all these different places and turns himself in. Think that'll happen?

Yeah, I'm bitter. This is going to be AWFUL.


Welcome my son
Welcome to the machine
Where have you been?
It's alright we know where you've been

/Have a cigar

generallyso: brigid_fitch: Meh, you're out in public so no privacy is being invaded.

Ergo stalking should be legal as long as the stalker does not enter private property.

isn't it?

I keep saying it over and over. We ARE a police State.

/I blame bush

skillett: I keep saying it over and over. We ARE a police State.

/I blame bush


He's nowhere near old enough to be blamed.

/Long time coming
//Nature of the beast

badhatharry: I can't believe how safe I feel now! Totally safe.

Has nobody in power read 1984. Seriously, WTF?

Dude, most of them were little kids in 1984.

/Do it to Julia!

badhatharry: I can't believe how safe I feel now! Totally safe.

Has nobody in power read 1984. Seriously, WTF?

As the old joke says, of course they read 1984. And they are using it as a shopping list.

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Hahaha, very nice

Yet another reason not to own a car.

Frankly.. as the image above showes... I'm ok with this! Sure, I have my own things to hide... but nothing that some officer is going to come arrest me for and that I may find the need to speed away in my car to hide from. In fact, I want this to be the case! There are two things that need to happen to bring people to justice for doing bad things, #1 a system that can accurately judge that a person has done wrong, and #2 the ability to find that person no matter where he is. #1 needs some buff and polish, but I would like #2 to be perfect so that we can put all available resources on #1 to make sure that we only need to use #2 when needed.

The sad thing is #1 requires that people be educated, and that is an ongoing problem in society.

JerkStore: I have some serious concerns about this. About a decade ago my brother started farking up everything in his life, and every time he got caught farking up he'd give them my name and SS number. So I have all these warrants floating around out there now that he's in jail in Arizona. I expect to get pulled over every time there's a cop behind me at a stop light for example. It happens about twice a year, and usually involves some time in the back of a police car and/or the station, sometimes a strip search looking for tattoos, and on rare occasions they're reasonable and actually read the notes on their computer screen and let me go.

Anyway, this kind of surveillance is going to make my life a living hell. It'll go from twice a year to twice a week or more.

And yes, I've tried to fix this. Three lawyers in three different states, the intervention of a state senator, and two trips across the country to try to prove I wasn't driving drunk in Oregon in August of 1997 (where were you on August 13, 1997--yeah, I can't prove it, either). Guess what? This shiat doesn't go away. My only hope is that when my brother gets out of jail he goes to all these different places and turns himself in. Think that'll happen?

Yeah, I'm bitter. This is going to be AWFUL.

Well with a name like JerkStore, hell yeah you're gonna get pulled over!
/i keed
//that must really suck

JeffMD: Frankly.. as the image above showes... I'm ok with this! Sure, I have my own things to hide... but nothing that some officer is going to come arrest me for and that I may find the need to speed away in my car to hide from. In fact, I want this to be the case! There are two things that need to happen to bring people to justice for doing bad things, #1 a system that can accurately judge that a person has done wrong, and #2 the ability to find that person no matter where he is. #1 needs some buff and polish, but I would like #2 to be perfect so that we can put all available resources on #1 to make sure that we only need to use #2 when needed.

The sad thing is #1 requires that people be educated, and that is an ongoing problem in society.


#1 may be hard to swallow, but #2 just stinks.

That's basic biology

Amos Quito: Marcus Aurelius: Amos Quito: Bottom line FTA: "If you're not doing anything wrong [...] then you don't have anything to worry about."

Where have I heard that before?

And every year, they make the list of criminal activities longer and longer.

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Subversive overtones detected in speech patterns.

Every dream is designed and broadcasted,
From the masters to the masses,
From the antennas on top of the shrines,
As far as the receiving planet during a panic is shorted,
It reports back everything in your mind,
Everything is lying,
Everything is dying,
Everything is a rule,
And everything is a crime

Lupe Fiasco, Streets On Fire (new window)