Kangaroos apparently cheat.

For some reason, California seems to be ground zero for this kind of nonsense. I've been to carnivals where I've seen wrestling bears, strippers wrestling pythons (first time I ever saw somebody get killed), and alligators by the truckload.

there were stories (I hope they were stories) about an underground show in San Francisco where men could wrestle chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans. The apes were viscous beyond belief and somebody always got maimed or crippled everytime there was a show.

Came in for cat juggling. Leaving disappointed.

Came for Hippety Hop. Moving on...

When will they think about the poor elephants??

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Thanks for that. I'd hitherto successfully purged that game from memory.

This kind of nonsense makes me embarrased to be a Californian. Why in the hell would anybody need a permit just to bring a kangaroo into the state? What kind of insane crap is that?

Coelacanth: For some reason, California seems to be ground zero for this kind of nonsense. I've been to carnivals where I've seen wrestling bears, strippers wrestling pythons (first time I ever saw somebody get killed), and alligators by the truckload.

there were stories (I hope they were stories) about an underground show in San Francisco where men could wrestle chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans. The apes were viscous beyond belief and somebody always got maimed or crippled everytime there was a show.

Primates? meh, that isn't a big deal.

Since there were no kangaroos found, nor even mentioned by the circus, this is a false complaint. The police should charge those idiots at peta for the man-hours.

Oh, by the way, peta, plants are alive too, you hypocrites.

thermo: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

Once again. Of course PETA puts down animals. But it's as a last resort. Most of the animals that PETA gets are the ones that nobody else wants. Such as pets that aren't adoptable due to sickness, temperament, or whatever reason. They try to find alternate situations for them. There just aren't enough spaces for all of the animals. Euthanasia is sometimes preferable to having them live under inhumane conditions.

/not a supporter of PETA
//I think they're often ridiculously silly.
///But this is a non-issue
////yes, I do support doctor assisted suicide

Coelacanth: For some reason, California seems to be ground zero for this kind of nonsense. I've been to carnivals where I've seen wrestling bears, strippers wrestling pythons (first time I ever saw somebody get killed), and alligators by the truckload.

I'd love to see more snake wrestling places. Sucks being the only person in my area who has a thing for men and women in the coils of a big snake.



\favorite live-action Disney movie for this sole reason

It's about time PETA made the news without doing something stupid.

Philbb: thermo: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

Once again. Of course PETA puts down animals. But it's as a last resort. Most of the animals that PETA gets are the ones that nobody else wants. Such as pets that aren't adoptable due to sickness, temperament, or whatever reason. They try to find alternate situations for them. There just aren't enough spaces for all of the animals. Euthanasia is sometimes preferable to having them live under inhumane conditions.

/not a supporter of PETA
//I think they're often ridiculously silly.
///But this is a non-issue
////yes, I do support doctor assisted suicide

PETA puts down a massively higher percentage of animals than any other shelter, all while pretending that they don't kill animals, protesting against animal shelters that do euthanizations.

The point i'm trying to make here, is that they're hypocrites. Just like Ingrid Newkirk and her Insuluin.

And also, silly? I don't call organizations that fund terrorists "silly"

nonzero: Coelacanth: For some reason, California seems to be ground zero for this kind of nonsense. I've been to carnivals where I've seen wrestling bears, strippers wrestling pythons (first time I ever saw somebody get killed), and alligators by the truckload.

there were stories (I hope they were stories) about an underground show in San Francisco where men could wrestle chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans. The apes were viscous beyond belief and somebody always got maimed or crippled everytime there was a show.

Primates? meh, that isn't a big deal.

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StormnMormon: PETA puts down a massively higher percentage of animals than any other shelter, all while pretending that they don't kill animals, protesting against animal shelters that do euthanizations.

I don't recall ever hearing about PETA pretending that they don't kill animals. Again, it's an option of last resort. Now, I also recall them protesting animal shelters because they euthanize animals. I know they protest the conditions in which the animals are kept.

Of course, I don't go out of my way to keep up with what PETA does, so maybe I just haven't seen anything like that.

The point i'm trying to make here, is that they're hypocrites. Just like Ingrid Newkirk and her Insuluin.

Newkirk and her use of insulin is a clear and valid case of hypocrisy. I agree with you on that, I just don't agree that putting animals down when the only other choices are letting them roam free or housing them in horrid conditions is hypocrisy.

And also, silly? I don't call organizations that fund terrorists "silly"

I'm not sure which terrorists you're referring to. But I believe that the amount going to such groups is a pittance compared to all of the other over-the-top nonsense that they're involved in.

Once again, I am not a PETA apologist. I don't belong to or support PETA. I do have strong feelings about animal rights, but PETA is too for out there for me take them seriously.

I'm done with PETA's ridiculous "look I'm an attention whore!" moves. I just wanted to let everyone know that the "Killable Children" mod has been made for Skyrim pc version! Go grab it at skyrimnexus.com, just type in "children" at the search bar and you'll find it!

I happily invite any member of PETA to hug a kangaroo-- preferably near a small, shallow body of water.

Rufus_T_Firefly: The low light of Woody 's career. (You might want to mute the silly music.)

farking his daughter doesn't count?

Philbb: StormnMormon: And also, silly? I don't call organizations that fund terrorists "silly"

I'm not sure which terrorists you're referring to. But I believe that the amount going to such groups is a pittance compared to all of the other over-the-top nonsense that they're involved in.

Once again, I am not a PETA apologist. I don't belong to or support PETA. I do have strong feelings about animal rights, but PETA is too for out there for me take them seriously.

The Animal Liberation Front (ALF). They're PETA's favorite little eco-terrorist cell, and they've done a lot of criminal acts, as well as blatant retardation regarding how they handle the animals they love so much (several times releasing several thousand mink from fur farms, the minks promptly gobbled up thousands of wild animals, attacked pets and children, and became general nuisances for nearby towns and cities).

You know the movies and TV episodes where some animal welfare group releases animals that are infected with deadly disease or dangerous? Because of ALF, and they'd do it in a heartbeat if they got the chance.

Seems your friend here is running a black market orangutan boxing ring!



/Oh Rusty.

I blame Jerry Brukheimer.

Keizer_Ghidorah: I'd love to see more snake wrestling places. Sucks being the only person in my area who has a thing for men and women in the coils of a big snake.

Right after I graduated high school, I took a year off to sow my wild oats. I used to go to sports & RV shows and wrestle bears. Let's say it was a great way to impress the ladies. But there was this one time I went down to a traveling carnival outside of San Diego with some friends. After we got there, we found out that the bear hadn't appeared as scheduled, so we took in the other shows.

One of the shows had women wrestling pythons. Most of the women were carny wives, but a few of them were underage runaways who wanted to join the circus. The act was pretty simple. Topless women would "challenge" the snake. Tussle with it. Wrap it around themselves so the only thing you see was a head and tits. The woman would then fall over and the snake would pin the protesting woman to the canvas.

My friends and I decided to catch a few shows. The last show featured this baby-faced Bode broad who could've had been more than sixteen. The python she was wrestling was huge. I'm talking Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom huge. She goes through the motions and just before the snake pins her, there's this loud CRACK!

The girl falls over stone dead. Something had upset the snake and he decided that he didn't want to play anymore. A bunch of cops showed up. We were there until the following morning giving our statements. And then we went home.

Ima4nic8or: This kind of nonsense makes me embarrased to be a Californian. Why in the hell would anybody need a permit just to bring a kangaroo into the state? What kind of insane crap is that?

You don't want kangaroos coming in and taking your jobs, now do you? Unlimited kangaroo importation and you'd be up to your ears in the hopping, pouchy bastards.

We thought it was funny at first. A kangaroo working as a bank teller. Then that kangaroo was promoted to bank manager and anyone with a pouch was given preferential loans while the rest of us were left out in the cold. They bought up the businesses, bought up the land for a fraction of its value. Now they lord over us as if they were God's gift to the world and we haven't got a pot to piss in. And that's why we're Occcupying this billabong.

mmmmmm... On a cold night Kangaroo steak marinated in garlic, seared and cooked medium served with fried onions, fresh veges in season and mashed potato is seriously "good tucker" as they say in OZ.

Oh yeah, fark PETA and the marsupials they rode in on.

Forcing a kangaroo to box in a circus is just disgraceful.

They should be in a boxing ring, like professionals. Absolutely no respect.

Coelacanth: Keizer_Ghidorah: I'd love to see more snake wrestling places. Sucks being the only person in my area who has a thing for men and women in the coils of a big snake.

Right after I graduated high school, I took a year off to sow my wild oats. I used to go to sports & RV shows and wrestle bears. Let's say it was a great way to impress the ladies. But there was this one time I went down to a traveling carnival outside of San Diego with some friends. After we got there, we found out that the bear hadn't appeared as scheduled, so we took in the other shows.

One of the shows had women wrestling pythons. Most of the women were carny wives, but a few of them were underage runaways who wanted to join the circus. The act was pretty simple. Topless women would "challenge" the snake. Tussle with it. Wrap it around themselves so the only thing you see was a head and tits. The woman would then fall over and the snake would pin the protesting woman to the canvas.

My friends and I decided to catch a few shows. The last show featured this baby-faced Bode broad who could've had been more than sixteen. The python she was wrestling was huge. I'm talking Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom huge. She goes through the motions and just before the snake pins her, there's this loud CRACK!

The girl falls over stone dead. Something had upset the snake and he decided that he didn't want to play anymore. A bunch of cops showed up. We were there until the following morning giving our statements. And then we went home.

Whoops. That's why you match the person to the snake, putting a weedy teenager with a fully-grown python is asking for trouble.

There are guys I would pay through my nose to watch wrestle a snake. Zeb Atlas and Mark Dalton in particular, seeing those muscled chunks of beefcake wrapped in coils would make my life worth living.

Philbb: StormnMormon: PETA puts down a massively higher percentage of animals than any other shelter, all while pretending that they don't kill animals, protesting against animal shelters that do euthanizations.

I don't recall ever hearing about PETA pretending that they don't kill animals. Again, it's an option of last resort. Now, I also recall them protesting animal shelters because they euthanize animals. I know they protest the conditions in which the animals are kept.

Of course, I don't go out of my way to keep up with what PETA does, so maybe I just haven't seen anything like that.

The point i'm trying to make here, is that they're hypocrites. Just like Ingrid Newkirk and her Insuluin.

Newkirk and her use of insulin is a clear and valid case of hypocrisy. I agree with you on that, I just don't agree that putting animals down when the only other choices are letting them roam free or housing them in horrid conditions is hypocrisy.

And also, silly? I don't call organizations that fund terrorists "silly"

I'm not sure which terrorists you're referring to. But I believe that the amount going to such groups is a pittance compared to all of the other over-the-top nonsense that they're involved in.

Once again, I am not a PETA apologist. I don't belong to or support PETA. I do have strong feelings about animal rights, but PETA is too for out there for me take them seriously.

Rodney Coronado for one, a guy who firebombed labratories.

Kangaroo Jack (Dempsey)...?

Cyno01: Ima4nic8or: This kind of nonsense makes me embarrased to be a Californian. Why in the hell would anybody need a permit just to bring a kangaroo into the state? What kind of insane crap is that?

Uh, theyre a non-native species... they could escape and breed and disrupt the local ecosystem. Kinda like whats been happening in australia for decades now. What in california would eat a kangaroo? Theyre basically 2 legged deer, but they could probably kick the ass of a medium sized mountain lion. Kangaroos invading california would be way more awesome than cane toads invading australia though.

Country Member: mmmmmm... On a cold night Kangaroo steak marinated in garlic, seared and cooked medium served with fried onions, fresh veges in season and mashed potato is seriously "good tucker" as they say in OZ.

Oh yeah, fark PETA and the marsupials they rode in on.

I've had kangaroo, it was ground up and in chili, and it was still really gamey.

Never had kangaroo (it's on my to-do list of things I do want to try before I'm dead) but I'd presume it's like most other wild meats--which is to say, to get the gaminess out you wanna soak it for a day in milk beforehand. (At least that's the trick my relatives always used for venison barbecue...good stuff.)

(Just presuming this because I've heard kangaroo steak is quite good, but rather like elk you pretty much want it rare.)

Squirrel, on the other hand--my one experience with squirrel was rather similar: ground up and in chili, tasted like ground beef that had stayed in the fridge until it had gone off and turned grey in colour. Hadn't been soaked because the maternal-unit-in-law was pretty much explicitly hiding the fact from the paternal-unit-in-law that it was squirrel chili :P

/might have been decent fixed properly, but no real urge to try tree rat anytime soon again
//bunneh, on the other hand...rabbits are cute and tasty :D

Cyno01: Ima4nic8or: This kind of nonsense makes me embarrased to be a Californian. Why in the hell would anybody need a permit just to bring a kangaroo into the state? What kind of insane crap is that?

Uh, theyre a non-native species... they could escape and breed and disrupt the local ecosystem. Kinda like whats been happening in australia for decades now. What in california would eat a kangaroo? Theyre basically 2 legged deer, but they could probably kick the ass of a medium sized mountain lion. Kangaroos invading california would be way more awesome than cane toads invading australia though.

Country Member: mmmmmm... On a cold night Kangaroo steak marinated in garlic, seared and cooked medium served with fried onions, fresh veges in season and mashed potato is seriously "good tucker" as they say in OZ.

Oh yeah, fark PETA and the marsupials they rode in on.

I've had kangaroo, it was ground up and in chili, and it was still really gamey.

Getting back to the point of the original post, though...

Even for states with fairly strong exotic animals laws (Kentucky, surprisingly, is among these--though fairly recently) California has some unusual laws--it's my understanding that domestic ferrets are still illegal in CA (even though there's been an effective rabies vaccine program for the better part of a decade, which is the main reason most places that had a ban on ferrets had those laws in place; this is also why a number of places ban pet skunks, because the ferret rabies vaccine hasn't been officially approved yet).

And unlike most areas with bans on even unusual domestic critters, as you noted, CA actually justifies this not on grounds of banning trade in CITES protected species or preventing zoonotic diseases (which is actually where most of KY's anti-exotics laws come in) or because of mauling incidents with Great Big Kitties...but on Australia-esque grounds that it could disrupt the ecosystem.

Only places I know outside of Oz and New Zealand with such laws (and they actually do have reasonable grounds to ban imports of critters under protection laws) is the silly law in Alberta that bans possession of pet domestic rats. (No, that law did not and does not make sense to me. Firstly, last I checked, Manitoba and Saskatchewan grow more grain crops that Norway rats would be attracted to. Second, Alberta may be North Texas but isn't an island; there's nothing that would stop Norway rats (or any other species of rats) from sauntering into the province from Saskatchewan, British Columbia, Montana, or Idaho. I could see it if it were an island, yes, but when you're directly connected to other land masses...)

And yeah, the "oh noes they could get loose and disrupt the environment!" laws in California honestly make about as much sense to me (in the justification) as Alberta's rat ban...I could see it if California was an island, but otherwise there's nothing to stop an invasive exotic from sauntering in from another state. More reasonable (IMHO) would be laws to ban exotics due to zoonotic risk or trade in threatened or endangered species (which is how "strong" laws re exotics work in most states that have 'em); if you're actually worried about plagues of feral exotics, you'll almost need national if not North America-wide laws and enforcement save for those critters known not to survive in a non-tropical climate.

(This is not to say that feral exotics are NOT a problem. Pretty much ask anyone involved in animal control in Florida, for instance, where they're starting to have some non-negligible issues with feral boas and monkeys in some areas--much less feral budgies, which are starting to take on the role in nature that the now-extinct Carolina parakeet did. Hell, in temperate regions there's starlings and house sparrows and "pigeons" (actually feral rock doves) that nest densely enough to cause a legitimate risk of histoplasmosis outbreaks in areas which historically were major nesting sites for passenger pigeons...)

(That said, though, it's very difficult to control a feral exotic or ward against a zoonotic unless its biology restricts it to a particular climate zone (which is why feral boas will probably remain a problem just for Florida, maybe the bayou regions along the Gulf) OR if you live on an island. Even the vaunted rabies quarantine that the UK and Australia and New Zealand have (due to having eliminated that particular zoonotic disease in domesticated critters) haven't been completely effective in keeping rabies-like illnesses completely at bay; the local bat populations carry lyssaviruses that are close enough kin to rabies proper to be treatable with rabies vaccine and anti-rabies immunoglobulin, and they've had to begin advising people in those areas to start taking rabies precautions with bats in the same manner that we have to do in "bat rabies country".)

(Also, as a completely unrelated aside--seeing as we are talking about wild critters and animal control and the implications of letting exotics into the wild--I would like to assure people that not all Kentuckians are like a certain eccentric wildlife rescuer who has somehow ended up going from Kentucky Afield (a local show put on by the KY Fish and Wildlife dept.) to national fame on Animal Planet. That said, Turtleman does do some good work, but wow, he's...there's eccentric, and then there's Appalachia eccentric. :D)

Gyrfalcon: Cyno01: Ima4nic8or: This kind of nonsense makes me embarrased to be a Californian. Why in the hell would anybody need a permit just to bring a kangaroo into the state? What kind of insane crap is that?

Uh, theyre a non-native species... they could escape and breed and disrupt the local ecosystem. Kinda like whats been happening in australia for decades now. What in california would eat a kangaroo? Theyre basically 2 legged deer, but they could probably kick the ass of a medium sized mountain lion. Kangaroos invading california would be way more awesome than cane toads invading australia though.

Country Member: mmmmmm... On a cold night Kangaroo steak marinated in garlic, seared and cooked medium served with fried onions, fresh veges in season and mashed potato is seriously "good tucker" as they say in OZ.

Oh yeah, fark PETA and the marsupials they rode in on.

I've had kangaroo, it was ground up and in chili, and it was still really gamey.

I would pay good money to see kangaroo as an invasive species anywhere on the planet. They are not your ideal invaders, given their limitations for open space, slow reproductive rates, and intolerance for weather extremes.

Still, they'd do well in the Great Plains. Not so good in California, tho.

If we're talking big grey and red kangaroos, yes, definitely agreed.

Wallabies...might have an easier time (there have been documented and verifiable cases of feral wallabies in several spots in the UK and the Netherlands; enough where wildlife experts in the UK are now legitimately worried about feral wallaby populations establishing themselves in Great Britain). Then again, to my knowledge, they don't normally use wallabies in "kangaroo boxing".

I would think that deer would outcompete the big grey and red 'roos in the Great Plains, but that's partly because white-tailed deer breed like crazy :D

Great Porn Dragon: Cyno01: Ima4nic8or: This kind of nonsense makes me embarrased to be a Californian. Why in the hell would anybody need a permit just to bring a kangaroo into the state? What kind of insane crap is that?

Uh, theyre a non-native species... they could escape and breed and disrupt the local ecosystem. Kinda like whats been happening in australia for decades now. What in california would eat a kangaroo? Theyre basically 2 legged deer, but they could probably kick the ass of a medium sized mountain lion. Kangaroos invading california would be way more awesome than cane toads invading australia though.

Country Member: mmmmmm... On a cold night Kangaroo steak marinated in garlic, seared and cooked medium served with fried onions, fresh veges in season and mashed potato is seriously "good tucker" as they say in OZ.

Oh yeah, fark PETA and the marsupials they rode in on.

I've had kangaroo, it was ground up and in chili, and it was still really gamey.

Getting back to the point of the original post, though...

Even for states with fairly strong exotic animals laws (Kentucky, surprisingly, is among these--though fairly recently) California has some unusual laws--it's my understanding that domestic ferrets are still illegal in CA (even though there's been an effective rabies vaccine program for the better part of a decade, which is the main reason most places that had a ban on ferrets had those laws in place; this is also why a number of places ban pet skunks, because the ferret rabies vaccine hasn't been officially approved yet).

And unlike most areas with bans on even unusual domestic critters, as you noted, CA actually justifies this not on grounds of banning trade in CITES protected species or preventing zoonotic diseases (which is actually where most of KY's anti-exotics laws come in) or because of mauling incidents with Great Big Kitties...but on Australia-esque grounds that it could disrupt the ecosystem.

Only places I know outside of Oz and New Zealand with such laws (and they actually do have reasonable grounds to ban imports of critters under protection laws) is the silly law in Alberta that bans possession of pet domestic rats. (No, that law did not and does not make sense to me. Firstly, last I checked, Manitoba and Saskatchewan grow more grain crops that Norway rats would be attracted to. Second, Alberta may be North Texas but isn't an island; there's nothing that would stop Norway rats (or any other species of rats) from sauntering into the province from Saskatchewan, British Columbia, Montana, or Idaho. I could see it if it were an island, yes, but when you're directly connected to other land masses...)

And yeah, the "oh noes they could get loose and disrupt the environment!" laws in California honestly make about as much sense to me (in the justification) as Alberta's rat ban...I could see it if California was an island, but otherwise there's nothing to stop an invasive exotic from sauntering in from another state. More reasonable (IMHO) would be laws to ban exotics due to zoonotic risk or trade in threatened or endangered species (which is how "strong" laws re exotics work in most states that have 'em); if you're actually worried about plagues of feral exotics, you'll almost need national if not North America-wide laws and enforcement save for those critters known not to survive in a non-tropical climate.

(This is not to say that feral exotics are NOT a problem. Pretty much ask anyone involved in animal control in Florida, for instance, where they're starting to have some non-negligible issues with feral boas and monkeys in some areas--much less feral budgies, which are starting to take on the role in nature that the now-extinct Carolina parakeet did. Hell, in temperate regions there's starlings and house sparrows and "pigeons" (actually feral rock doves) that nest densely enough to cause a legitimate risk of histoplasmosis outbreaks in areas which historically were major nesting sites for passenger pigeons...)

(That said, though, it's very difficult to control a feral exotic or ward against a zoonotic ...

California's biggest "concern" from what I've heard is the gerbil, they're afraid if gerbils got loose they'd destroy the state or something.

The Burmese pythons in Florida are pretty much gonna stay there, I think. They're a tropical/subtropical species that requires permanent water and high temperatures. Fortunately they're also the most docile species of python, so incident with humans are gonna be limited to morons or careless kids.

Keizer_Ghidorah: The Burmese pythons in Florida are pretty much gonna stay there, I think. They're a tropical/subtropical species that requires permanent water and high temperatures. Fortunately they're also the most docile species of python, so incident with humans are gonna be limited to morons or careless kids.

I expect Florida to be totally depopulated by 2020 then.

Coelacanth: Keizer_Ghidorah: The Burmese pythons in Florida are pretty much gonna stay there, I think. They're a tropical/subtropical species that requires permanent water and high temperatures. Fortunately they're also the most docile species of python, so incident with humans are gonna be limited to morons or careless kids.

I expect Florida to be totally depopulated by 2020 then.

Maybe, but I don't think pythons have a taste for aged meat. Besides, if Floridians haven't been wiped out by alligators and hurricanes by this point, nothing's gonna take them out.

StormnMormon: Rodney Coronado for one, a guy who firebombed labratories.

I thought you might be referring to the Alf or Elf type. I just can't bring myself to classify them as terrorists even if the FBI does. I see them more as shortsighted misguided dimwitted idiots engaging in criminal activities for all the wrong reasons. They would be laughable if they weren't so unintentionally dangerous.

Still, even if you consider these people to be terrorists, the amount of support they get from Peta is trivial compared to the Peta budget as a whole.

From what I know about kangaroo boxing, the problem kinda takes care of itself. The kangaroo is going to win against anyone that's not a seasoned professional boxer. It is in fact going to beat your ass down. And it may disembowel you with its feet in the process. The Sylvester cartoon is pretty much what you can expect to have happen to you in real life unless you're Manny Pacquiao.