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2011-11-19 02:09:23 PM  
What a Douchebag of Epic Proportions looks like:

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/he should be fat somewhere else
 
2011-11-19 02:21:06 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

"This is what you little punks get for taking me away from Skyrim!"
 
2011-11-19 02:25:25 PM  

24.media.tumblr.com
"Hey guys! Watch as I prove their point. I hope no one has a camera around."

 
2011-11-19 02:27:51 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-19 02:33:03 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
"Lt. Fatty McDicklesson sprays a group of protesters with Flavacol before eating them"
 
2011-11-19 02:33:49 PM  

Mordis: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x333]
"Lt. Fatty McDicklesson sprays a group of protesters with Flavacol before eating them"


bwahahah
 
2011-11-19 02:35:15 PM  
Someday, I hope that fatass is in a job interview and the HE department shows up and says, "We can't hire you. It's not because of your "face"book page, either"
 
2011-11-19 02:36:10 PM  

24.media.tumblr.com
"Wearin' waterproof boots with six inch pant cuffs? That's a sprayin'"

 
2011-11-19 02:38:34 PM  
Alternate caption: Contrary to popular belief, it's actually pretty easy bein' cheesy.
 
2011-11-19 02:49:27 PM  
The end of that video is actually pretty awesome.

The students crowd out the police and shame them into retreating.
 
2011-11-19 02:49:56 PM  
Gangster with a fat gut, a tiny ween, and a badge.
 
2011-11-19 02:51:46 PM  

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"Try Eau de Capsaicin? On sale this week at Macy's. Comes in fragrances for men and for women. Eau de Capsaicin? Eau de Capsiacin? On sale this week at Macy's..."

 
2011-11-19 02:53:51 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-19 03:14:13 PM  
On his walk back he tased them all.
 
2011-11-19 03:19:58 PM  
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2011-11-19 03:25:37 PM  
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2011-11-19 03:25:40 PM  
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2011-11-19 03:29:49 PM  
If you would like make your own head over to Roflbot and use the image URL of

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luwc2dAoBH1qat9xfo1_500.jpg

Have fun and I hope this cop is never entrusted with power again.
 
2011-11-19 03:31:51 PM  
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2011-11-19 03:38:40 PM  
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2011-11-19 04:05:37 PM  
looks like someone is getting a stern talking too about abusing the public while letting cameras catch the whole thing as it happens.
 
2011-11-19 04:13:13 PM  
This dude's life will now be a living hell. Thanks, Internet!
 
2011-11-19 04:42:08 PM  
i798.photobucket.com
 
2011-11-19 05:03:11 PM  
www.dailyhaiku.com
 
2011-11-19 05:38:46 PM  
Have fun, y'all. (new window)

California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable byimprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.
 
2011-11-19 05:46:40 PM  
Can Moderator retroactively turn this into a voting-enabled thread? This is because these captions are already giving me tons of LOLs, and I would like to see more.
 
2011-11-19 05:49:51 PM  

I Have The Touch of a Shocked Monkey: Can Moderator retroactively turn this into a voting-enabled thread? This is because these captions are already giving me tons of LOLs, and I would like to see more.


hmm...and here I was just thinking I'd like to see LESS police abuse.
 
2011-11-19 05:52:12 PM  
Normally I get pissed when a thread with a third of the comments of the other gets greened, but this has funnier images and a whole lot less Republican for the moment, so I'm ok with it.
 
2011-11-19 05:52:31 PM  
i241.photobucket.com
Officer Bozo shows off what he learned at Clown College to actual college students.
 
2011-11-19 05:52:52 PM  
If a group of people block a sidewalk, you have to let them. You can't use force to remove them. It's in the constitution.
 
2011-11-19 05:54:27 PM  
Mods, please remove the "HERO" tag. It is both trollish and disingenuous.

Thanks in advance.
 
2011-11-19 05:54:27 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: If a group of people block a sidewalk, you have to let them. You can't use force to remove them. It's in the constitution.


just redefine 'protest' and 'free speech' as 'terrorism' and that problem is solved!
 
2011-11-19 05:56:38 PM  

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 500x333]


And it has never been harder than right now.
 
2011-11-19 05:57:53 PM  
chanarchive.org
 
2011-11-19 05:58:27 PM  
k.wigflip.com
 
2011-11-19 06:00:09 PM  
Court decisions sure are a biatch when they directly relate to your inappropriate use of force.
 
2011-11-19 06:00:22 PM  
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2011-11-19 06:00:24 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2011-11-19 06:00:47 PM  

whidbey: Mods, please remove the "HERO" tag. It is both trollish and disingenuous.

Thanks in advance.


Real news sites can be found that-a-way.
 
2011-11-19 06:01:14 PM  

simsite9: Have fun, y'all. (new window)

California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable byimprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.


Yeah but the police in California rarely get punished for stupid decisions they make that could harm people.

See: LA, Oakland, and Bay Area Rapid Transit
 
2011-11-19 06:02:26 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
"Hey kids, I fully support your right to be here, but mosquitoes can get really bad this time of year. Here, have some bugspray. I'm only looking out for you."
 
2011-11-19 06:04:56 PM  

Attica!!! Attica!!! Attica!!


Of course nothing will happen to that cop for liberally pepper spraying non violent actions. If I went in public and did to a crowd of people what he just did, I'm sure I'd be facing a bunch of felony charges. The only thing these police Departments respond to is losing money so it would be nice if there was a way for civil lawsuits to be brought against the police force.

 
2011-11-19 06:05:39 PM  

simsite9: Have fun, y'all. (new window)

California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable byimprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.


Not that he'd be likely to face justice for this anyway, but it's worth noting that their official response is that they were forced to use pepper spray because they felt threatened by the size of the crowd -- i.e., they're claiming self-defense.
 
2011-11-19 06:06:47 PM  
A little after the 6 minute mark the little chick cop starts squeaking at the protesters. It reminds me of Police Academy.
 
2011-11-19 06:06:56 PM  
At first these Occupy people I thought were a bit annoying, but now with the cops taking such a hardline and being so inappropriate I am now in favor of them. Will be visiting Occupy San Jose.

Fark the cops who abuse people.
 
2011-11-19 06:07:24 PM  
 
2011-11-19 06:07:34 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: If a group of people block a sidewalk, you have to let them. You can't use force to remove them. It's in the constitution.


Clearly he was merely sharing a light nutritional spice, I see no force being used.
 
2011-11-19 06:08:09 PM  
UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza defended her officers' actions to KCRA. She argued that it just wasn't safe for students to camp on the quad. "It's not safe for multiple reasons," Spicuzza said.

The main one being that thug cops are going to attack them with chemical weapons.
 
2011-11-19 06:08:30 PM  

originalname138: simsite9: Have fun, y'all. (new window)

California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable byimprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.

Not that he'd be likely to face justice for this anyway, but it's worth noting that their official response is that they were forced to use pepper spray because they felt threatened by the size of the crowd -- i.e., they're claiming self-defense.


Yep...the article I posted from the Chronicle mentioned that police basically used that excuse
 
2011-11-19 06:09:49 PM  
When you've had a long day and haven't eaten lunch, everything looks like dry delicious popcorn beckoning seasoning.
 
2011-11-19 06:10:57 PM  
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2011-11-19 06:13:05 PM  
Radioactive Ass:

Execukkake
 
2011-11-19 06:13:44 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Well it looks like UC Davis officials are going to look into the matter END UP LOOKING THE OTHER WAY ON THIS.

 
2011-11-19 06:16:01 PM  
How many years behind bars do you suppose a citizen who sprays a line of cops with pepper spray would be looking at?
 
2011-11-19 06:16:16 PM  
I wonder when the lawsuits from this are going to start rolling in. And how about a federal investigation for civil rights violations.
 
2011-11-19 06:18:28 PM  

ongbok: I wonder when the lawsuits from this are going to start rolling in. And how about a federal investigation for civil rights violations.


No no, don't be absurd:

Tea Party=Peaceful
OWS=damn dirty apes who deserved it
 
2011-11-19 06:18:45 PM  

whidbey: Mrtraveler01: Well it looks like UC Davis officials are going to look into the matter END UP LOOKING THE OTHER WAY ON THIS.


You're probably right...the whole task force investigation that's being done with this is probably nothing more than a dog and pony show.
 
2011-11-19 06:19:55 PM  

GoldSpider: How many years behind bars do you suppose a citizen who sprays a line of cops with pepper spray would be looking at?


None. One of them would yell "GUN" and the perp would wind up with 93 holes in their body.
 
2011-11-19 06:20:06 PM  
You know, if the cops showed up and asked, the students would probably have gone along with being arrested.
 
2011-11-19 06:20:52 PM  
That use of force, from that brief video clip, appears warranted in ABSOLUTELY NO FARKING WAY WHATSOEVER!
 
2011-11-19 06:21:00 PM  
Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.
 
2011-11-19 06:21:42 PM  

Mrtraveler01: whidbey: Mrtraveler01: Well it looks like UC Davis officials are going to look into the matter END UP LOOKING THE OTHER WAY ON THIS.

You're probably right...the whole task force investigation that's being done with this is probably nothing more than a dog and pony show.


It's just the cynic in me. I wouldn't be surprised if their findings was a vote of "no wrongdoing."

[Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes.gif]
 
2011-11-19 06:22:50 PM  
There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
 
2011-11-19 06:23:00 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: You know, if the cops showed up and asked, the students would probably have gone along with being arrested.


Or they could've just issued tickets, and if the campus cops can't do that, call the Davis PD and have them write tickets.
 
2011-11-19 06:23:13 PM  

GoldSpider: How many years behind bars do you suppose a citizen who sprays a line of cops with pepper spray would be looking at?


Zero. He would be dead.
 
2011-11-19 06:23:13 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force.


When people refuse to move, guess what level of force is justified? Physically moving them. Sprays, tazers, rubber bullets, etc, should be reserved for subduing someone who is or is immintently threatening physical violence.

Wait wait wait, is that guy at 1:42 carrying a paintball gun?
 
2011-11-19 06:24:20 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.


Students should leave the quad in the middle of the day?
 
2011-11-19 06:25:58 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force.

When people refuse to move, guess what level of force is justified? Physically moving them. Sprays, tazers, rubber bullets, etc, should be reserved for subduing someone who is or is immintently threatening physical violence.

Wait wait wait, is that guy at 1:42 carrying a paintball gun?


or maybe, just maybe, just let them sit there. No, you can't setup a tent on a sidewalk, but you can sit there as long as you want.
 
2011-11-19 06:26:15 PM  
images.cheezburger.com
 
2011-11-19 06:26:24 PM  

Sabyen91: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.

Students should leave the quad in the middle of the day?


FTA: She said that UC Davis officials had warned the occupiers that they could not set up a tent city. They were given notice that they had to clear out their tents by 3 p.m. on Friday. Some complied. Others did not.

So yes, yes they should...
 
2011-11-19 06:26:54 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Wait wait wait, is that guy at 1:42 carrying a paintball gun?


Yep, with balls full of pepper spray.

Seriously.
 
2011-11-19 06:27:33 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.


Hey they gave them three minutes. How much time did they need? They should have broke out the truncheons after the first minute. Stupid peaceful protestors probably interrupted this guy's doughnut break.
 
2011-11-19 06:27:58 PM  

Mrtraveler01: originalname138: simsite9: Have fun, y'all. (new window)

California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable byimprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.

Not that he'd be likely to face justice for this anyway, but it's worth noting that their official response is that they were forced to use pepper spray because they felt threatened by the size of the crowd -- i.e., they're claiming self-defense.

Yep...the article I posted from the Chronicle mentioned that police basically used that excuse


Does California have a Castle Doctrine? If not, then you must retreat from a situation.

Secondly, I REALLY hope this doesn't fly. "I'm scared of a bunch of unarmed, non-violent students who are sitting on the ground". Please hand in your badge, cuffs and firearm. Their actions speak louder than their after the fact words.
 
2011-11-19 06:28:16 PM  

simsite9: Have fun, y'all. (new window)

California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable byimprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.


California Penal Code Section 12403.
Nothing in this chapter shall prohibit any person who is a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, from purchasing, possessing, transporting, or using any tear gas or tear gas weapon if the person has satisfactorily completed a course of instruction approved by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training in the use of tear gas.
 
2011-11-19 06:28:26 PM  

Radioactive Ass: [img402.imageshack.us image 640x470]


You found the blue marble in the oatmeal! You get to drink from the FIRE HOSE!
 
2011-11-19 06:28:36 PM  
This cop should be dead with his family mourning him.
 
2011-11-19 06:28:40 PM  

NotoriousFire: Sabyen91: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.

Students should leave the quad in the middle of the day?

FTA: She said that UC Davis officials had warned the occupiers that they could not set up a tent city. They were given notice that they had to clear out their tents by 3 p.m. on Friday. Some complied. Others did not.

So yes, yes they should...


I didn't see a tent city.
 
2011-11-19 06:28:40 PM  

pudding7: No, you can't setup a tent on a sidewalk, but you can sit there as long as you want.


I don't think you can block the sidewalk from public use (haven't researched, just conjucturing.) I will offer this anectdotal evidence: I was in a major city this week and walked past a protest of an unrelated issue. Every time someone approached the protestors (Who were circling on a street corner) someone yelled SIDEWALK and protestors immediately cleared to the side to allow the pediastrian to pass.

We they just being polite? Maybe. But I expect imeding others ability to carry on their day without undue delay or some shiat probably plays a part.
 
2011-11-19 06:28:51 PM  

shanrick: There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down


Far out, man. It's time to turn on, tune in and drop out. Groovey.

/PEACE!
 
2011-11-19 06:29:13 PM  
How long before this douche starts looking to get on a ticket with Joe the Plumber?
 
2011-11-19 06:29:45 PM  

NkThrasher: Yep, with balls full of pepper spray.


I figured that after I posted it. That's actually a sensible weapon for a situation like that, but again should not be used unless there is actual or an imminent threat of violence, IMHO. Which I know means jack shiat around here.
 
2011-11-19 06:29:58 PM  

the_innkeeper: Mrtraveler01: originalname138: simsite9: Have fun, y'all. (new window)

California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable byimprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.

Not that he'd be likely to face justice for this anyway, but it's worth noting that their official response is that they were forced to use pepper spray because they felt threatened by the size of the crowd -- i.e., they're claiming self-defense.

Yep...the article I posted from the Chronicle mentioned that police basically used that excuse

Does California have a Castle Doctrine? If not, then you must retreat from a situation.

Secondly, I REALLY hope this doesn't fly. "I'm scared of a bunch of unarmed, non-violent students who are sitting on the ground". Please hand in your badge, cuffs and firearm. Their actions speak louder than their after the fact words.


This is a state that gave a transit cop an involuntary manslaughter charge for mistaking a taser for a gun after he shot and killed a guy.

I have no faith that anything will be done about this.
 
2011-11-19 06:30:47 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force.

When people refuse to move, guess what level of force is justified? Physically moving them. Sprays, tazers, rubber bullets, etc, should be reserved for subduing someone who is or is immintently threatening physical violence.

Wait wait wait, is that guy at 1:42 carrying a paintball gun?


You are aware that manhandling someone to get them to move...which is what you are left with without non-lethals....is more likely to result in injury than not, right?

The paintball gun is loaded with pepperballs....paintballs filled with CS powder. Aim for the chest and the puff of powder gets them right in the face.

In the end though, like anything else, there is one sides version of what happened, the other sides version of what happened, and the truth.
 
2011-11-19 06:31:49 PM  

Sabyen91: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.

Students should leave the quad in the middle of the day?


When police tell you to move, you move.

Should you elect not to, well, whatever happens after is your elective decision.

I've been around a lot of years and I've learned to do what authorities tell me to do. If all citizens decided that they could always over rule what our legal and justice system says......i'm not sure what country that woud even equate us to.
 
2011-11-19 06:32:03 PM  
shanrick [TotalFark] Add Favorite User Quote 2011-11-19 06:22:50 PM
For What It's Worth


So far we've had Nash (Chicago) Young (Ohio) and now Stills.

So I guess Crosby was too whacked out on coke to come up with a protest song back in the day that might mean something if we played it now?
 
2011-11-19 06:32:16 PM  
Mrtravelerer01
Yeah but the police in California rarely get punished for stupid decisions they make that could harm people.

See: LA, Oakland, and Bay Area Rapid Transit


Well, let's see:

L.A.:
Ramparts - 12 suspended, 7 quit, 5 fired, Chief Parks let go. $125 million in civil damages
Rodney King: All four cops went to prison

Oakland:
Riders - Three of the four arrested and put on trial. Juries found not guilty or deadlocked on all counts. The fourth is still a fugitive.

B.A.R.T. -
Grant shooting - convicted of involuntary manslaughter, sent to prison.
 
2011-11-19 06:32:53 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: I figured that after I posted it. That's actually a sensible weapon for a situation like that, but again should not be used unless there is actual or an imminent threat of violence, IMHO. Which I know means jack shiat around here.


As a former Soldier, I completely agree. Exactly the right weapon to have raised in that situation, and should not be used unless there is clear threat to life limb or eyesight.
 
2011-11-19 06:34:08 PM  

Faraii: is more likely to result in injury than not, right?


Honest question:

From what you just said, I would assume then that ANY TIME a copy affects an arrest, you're okay with him giving them a shot of pepper spray in the face just in case?

If not, and I hope not, then you need to use the Graham test. Is the use of force both reasonable and NECESSARY?

Is it reasonable to use pepper spray to gain control? Sure. Is the size of the crowd a consideration? Certainly.

Was it necessary in that situation? Where the crowd has shown no violent intent whatsoever? And the video shows other protestors being cuffed and drug away with no vilent resistance?

Absolutely not, IMHO.

If I'm on the jury, and see that video, I find for the plaintiffs.
 
2011-11-19 06:35:08 PM  

MisterRonbo: B.A.R.T. -
Grant shooting - convicted of involuntary manslaughter, sent to prison.


For two years.

I'm sorry but 2 years is a piss poor sentence for killing a guy whether it was an accident or not.
 
2011-11-19 06:35:47 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-19 06:35:48 PM  

Fart_Machine: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.

Hey they gave them three minutes. How much time did they need? They should have broke out the truncheons after the first minute. Stupid peaceful protestors probably interrupted this guy's doughnut break.


I didn't see any info on how much warning they were given, but even three minutes should have been enough for the to leave. They bunkered down and took the spray like they knew it was coming. I'm impressed by their comittment, but don't try to tell me the cops were in the wrong. Those folks wanted to get sprayed to make a statement.
 
2011-11-19 06:35:56 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!:
I've been around a lot of years and I've learned to do what authorities tell me to do. If all citizens decided that they could always over rule what our legal and justice system says......i'm not sure what country that woud even equate us to.


I was raised to look for weaknesses and exploit them. I didn't learn about morality until I was much older.
 
2011-11-19 06:36:02 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: and see that video,


Speaking of which, kudos to the cops for allowing the bystanders to video.

Makes this kind of public discussion much more meaningful when we can actually see what the fark we are debating rather than depending on adrenaline charged accounts.
 
2011-11-19 06:37:39 PM  
for such a serious issue this thread is farking hilarious
congrats on the douchebag police man becoming a meme
 
2011-11-19 06:38:23 PM  
A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.
 
2011-11-19 06:38:39 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: If I'm on the jury, and see that video, I find for the plaintiffs.


yup. And right now the chief of police and his legal council are reviewing that video and quietly talking to the union about firing that idiot in return for some consideration during the next round of contract negotiations.
 
2011-11-19 06:38:45 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: They bunkered down and took the spray like they knew it was coming. I'm impressed by their comittment, but don't try to tell me the cops were in the wrong. Those folks wanted to get sprayed to make a statement.


All the more reason for the police not to do it. It only serves undermines their position more.

Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT
 
2011-11-19 06:38:48 PM  

Mrtraveler01: This is a state that gave a transit cop an involuntary manslaughter charge for mistaking a taser for a gun after he shot and killed a guy.


That's one of those cases where you can see how cops can be held to a lower standard than everyone else. The second the incident happened and he said he was going for his tazer but screwed up he should've been off the force so fast he'd fly out of his uniform. And as for the charge, second degree murder would work.
 
2011-11-19 06:39:31 PM  

LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.


I'm sure the cop was in on it amirite?
 
2011-11-19 06:39:35 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: You know, if the cops showed up and asked, the students would probably have gone along with being arrested.


No, the students wouldn't have left. It's called civil disobedience. You go, pick them up, and then arrest them. You don't attack them.
 
2011-11-19 06:40:21 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-19 06:40:48 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!:
Speaking of which, kudos to the cops for allowing the bystanders to video..


it's in a public place - the cops can't simply start seizing cameras at will. for one thing, that would be illegal. for another, they'd never get ALL the recording devices. someone would hide a smartphone and upload a video to youtube and that'd be all she wrote.
 
2011-11-19 06:42:07 PM  

NkThrasher: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Wait wait wait, is that guy at 1:42 carrying a paintball gun?

Yep, with balls full of pepper spray.

Seriously.


At first I thought "Less than lethal rounds"? Paint balls full of capsaicin pepper? Less than leathal? Shouldn't that be non-lethal? Then I did a little reading on... woah... it turns out pepper spray can be lethal. And now I know.
 
2011-11-19 06:42:36 PM  
One day, protestors will think far enough ahead to don gas masks when they get out the pepper spray.

/c'mon guys, they aren't that expensive.
 
2011-11-19 06:43:25 PM  
I just love how nonchalant he is. Even in the video, he just walks back and forth like he's spraying weeds.
 
2011-11-19 06:43:45 PM  

Fart_Machine: LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.

I'm sure the cop was in on it amirite?


He was likely wise the game, but I doubt he was "in on it."
 
2011-11-19 06:43:46 PM  

Weaver95: it's in a public place - the cops can't simply start seizing cameras at will.


I agree, but haven't there been a number of stories on this very site about cops ordering buystanders to stop taping? And then seizing the recording devise and arresting them for obstructing or interfering or some shiat?
 
2011-11-19 06:44:19 PM  

LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.


so you're saying that the cops are idiots? I mean if this was planned and the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted to have happen, then that means the protesters are waaaaaay smarter than the cops. the sheer smarts and discipline needed to pull off something like this....

wow!
 
2011-11-19 06:44:19 PM  

NkThrasher: IamKaiserSoze!!!: They bunkered down and took the spray like they knew it was coming. I'm impressed by their comittment, but don't try to tell me the cops were in the wrong. Those folks wanted to get sprayed to make a statement.

All the more reason for the police not to do it. It only serves undermines their position more.

Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT


OK, so the cops were given orders to move the protestors....how should it have happened? A bulldozed, rubber bullets, warter cannon, or what? These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

/well, that's my humble opinion

//they will love tellin their pepper spray story the rest of their lives
 
2011-11-19 06:44:20 PM  
Lack of patience is not due cause to use any weapon.

I do not buy you weapons for your job to have them used solely because you are impatient.

I am paying you by the hour. You're on overtime. Chill.
 
2011-11-19 06:45:10 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: One day, protestors will think far enough ahead to don gas masks when they get out the pepper spray.

/c'mon guys, they aren't that expensive.


They're considered probable cause.
 
2011-11-19 06:46:25 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: One day, protestors will think far enough ahead to don gas masks when they get out the pepper spray.

/c'mon guys, they aren't that expensive.


I don't think they were expecting to get a face full of pepperspray for sitting. Just like i'm pretty sure that 80 year old woman didn't expect to get a face full either. For months these have been peaceful protests, it only turned 'violent' because of the cops.
 
2011-11-19 06:46:25 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Weaver95: it's in a public place - the cops can't simply start seizing cameras at will.

I agree, but haven't there been a number of stories on this very site about cops ordering buystanders to stop taping? And then seizing the recording devise and arresting them for obstructing or interfering or some shiat?


I think it's been tried...but again, the sheer number of ways someone can quietly record the cops make it impossible to stop the public from recording what the cops are doing and instantly upload the raw footage to the web.

technology vs the law...and the law gets its ass kicked every time.
 
2011-11-19 06:46:37 PM  

Ghastly: NkThrasher: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Wait wait wait, is that guy at 1:42 carrying a paintball gun?

Yep, with balls full of pepper spray.

Seriously.

At first I thought "Less than lethal rounds"? Paint balls full of capsaicin pepper? Less than leathal? Shouldn't that be non-lethal? Then I did a little reading on... woah... it turns out pepper spray can be lethal. And now I know.


Arrrrg... less lethal... I meant to type less lethal. I'm an idiot.
 
2011-11-19 06:46:54 PM  

moralpanic: You go, pick them up, and then arrest them. Y


Or do what the Chicago cops did the other day, give them tickets.
 
2011-11-19 06:46:56 PM  
At the very most this asshole officer will be put on paid leave while internal affairs investigates. He might get a note in his personnel file, perhaps a verbal or written reprimand, but he'll still have his job when it's all over.
 
2011-11-19 06:47:20 PM  

Weaver95: LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.

so you're saying that the cops are idiots? I mean if this was planned and the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted to have happen, then that means the protesters are waaaaaay smarter than the cops. the sheer smarts and discipline needed to pull off something like this....

wow!


Yeah, I think that's a fair assumption. Does pepper spray man look like a particularly educated individual to you?
 
2011-11-19 06:47:20 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: One day, protestors will think far enough ahead to don gas masks when they get out the pepper spray.

/c'mon guys, they aren't that expensive.


They knew exacly that they were doing. Masks would have made it transparent that they intended to provoke this reaction and made them look less like innocent victims.
 
2011-11-19 06:47:55 PM  

moralpanic: I just love how nonchalant he is. Even in the video, he just walks back and forth like he's spraying weeds.


its called 'sociopathy'.
 
2011-11-19 06:47:56 PM  

Weaver95: LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.

so you're saying that the cops are idiots? I mean if this was planned and the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted to have happen, then that means the protesters are waaaaaay smarter than the cops. the sheer smarts and discipline needed to pull off something like this....

wow!


No. Please do not try to put words in my mouh.
 
2011-11-19 06:48:07 PM  

WhyteRaven74: moralpanic: You go, pick them up, and then arrest them. Y

Or do what the Chicago cops did the other day, give them tickets.


Did they really? If so, those are probably going to be badges of honor soon.
 
2011-11-19 06:48:21 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: At the very most this asshole officer will be put on paid leave while internal affairs investigates. He might get a note in his personnel file, perhaps a verbal or written reprimand, but he'll still have his job when it's all over.


Thank god for unions.

/ducks
 
2011-11-19 06:48:39 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: They're considered probable cause.


How so? Couldn't they just be an eccentric fashion statement? Genuinely curious.
 
2011-11-19 06:50:08 PM  

moralpanic: Did they really?


Yep. Protesters blocked up the LaSalle Street bridge, cops showed up, and not even a huge number and all in their regular uniforms and started writing tickets. That's it. No threats of arrest, no shoving people around. They wrote tickets, people milled about a bit and then moved on.
 
2011-11-19 06:50:27 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.


Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.
 
2011-11-19 06:50:51 PM  
holy crap. http://anoncentral.tumblr.com/post/13023795840/d0x-uc-davis-pepper-spr aying-officer-lt-john-pike

i1091.photobucket.com

Lieutenant John Pike

...

2010 PAY

Base pay: $116,454.00, Overtime: $0.00, Other:$0.00
Total pay: $110,243.12
 
2011-11-19 06:51:24 PM  

Kirkenhegelstein: Lenny_da_Hog: They're considered probable cause.

How so? Couldn't they just be an eccentric fashion statement? Genuinely curious.


Yes.

And they may also be an indicator of a pending airborne threat. This is the argument that the police will give when they use it as an excuse to stop and hold you.
 
2011-11-19 06:52:00 PM  

GoldSpider: How many years behind bars do you suppose a citizen who sprays a line of cops with pepper spray would be looking at?


None, we don't jail people killed by the police.
 
2011-11-19 06:53:15 PM  

zusya: holy crap. http://anoncentral.tumblr.com/post/13023795840/d0x-uc-davis-pepper-spr aying-officer-lt-john-pike

[i1091.photobucket.com image 216x295]

Lieutenant John Pike

...

2010 PAY

Base pay: $116,454.00, Overtime: $0.00, Other:$0.00
Total pay: $110,243.12


That's a nice salary.
 
2011-11-19 06:54:04 PM  

LargeCanine: Weaver95: LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.

so you're saying that the cops are idiots? I mean if this was planned and the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted to have happen, then that means the protesters are waaaaaay smarter than the cops. the sheer smarts and discipline needed to pull off something like this....

wow!

No. Please do not try to put words in my mouh.


that's what you said tho - you specifically said that this was staged by the protesters. that means the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted them to do...which rather implies some very sad things about the level of intelligence among the cops in question.

your comments implied that you believe the protesters are some very well disciplined and very smart people.
 
2011-11-19 06:55:33 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.


The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.

I assume you would guess they just walked up and started spraying......I doubt that was the case.
 
2011-11-19 06:55:37 PM  

BroVinny: zusya: holy crap. http://anoncentral.tumblr.com/post/13023795840/d0x-uc-davis-pepper-spr aying-officer-lt-john-pike

[i1091.photobucket.com image 216x295]

Lieutenant John Pike

...

2010 PAY

Base pay: $116,454.00, Overtime: $0.00, Other:$0.00
Total pay: $110,243.12

That's a nice salary.


that's good - it means he can afford to pay out all the damages the jury is going to award to his victims.
 
2011-11-19 06:57:23 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: One day, protestors will think far enough ahead to don gas masks when they get out the pepper spray.

/c'mon guys, they aren't that expensive.


In 1999, when protesters at the Battle of Seattle started wearing gas masks, the city responded by making the sale, purchase, and possession of gas masks illegal. I suspect the same thing would happen now.
 
2011-11-19 06:57:30 PM  
www.underconsideration.com
 
2011-11-19 07:00:22 PM  

Weaver95: that's good - it means he can afford to pay out all the damages the jury is going to award to his victims.


I'm dubious anything will come of that. Time will tell.

But the Revolution gets more publicity. That's what's important.
 
2011-11-19 07:01:31 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: One day, protestors will think far enough ahead to don gas masks when they get out the pepper spray.

/c'mon guys, they aren't that expensive.


During the 1999 WTO protests in Seattle, an emergency ordinance was passed prohibiting the possession or use of gas masks. They were confiscated off the shelves of the army surplus stores.
 
2011-11-19 07:02:42 PM  

NkThrasher: Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT


Headwaters case is completely different. That case was where police put tear gas in eyes using Q-tips. The arretees were already under arrest and in complete control of police,

In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.
 
2011-11-19 07:03:07 PM  

Weaver95: LargeCanine: Weaver95: LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.

so you're saying that the cops are idiots? I mean if this was planned and the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted to have happen, then that means the protesters are waaaaaay smarter than the cops. the sheer smarts and discipline needed to pull off something like this....

wow!

No. Please do not try to put words in my mouh.

that's what you said tho - you specifically said that this was staged by the protesters. that means the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted them to do...which rather implies some very sad things about the level of intelligence among the cops in question.

your comments implied that you believe the protesters are some very well disciplined and very smart people.


To be fair, banking on over-reaction IS a part of the strategy here. The cops are playing into that. Less well oiled machine, than the general strategy of non-violent protests.

What is shocking, is that the cops, when faced with over 30 years of non-violent protests, fall for the over-reaction so damn fast. And I suspect that is what the Big Dog was trying to point out.
 
2011-11-19 07:03:54 PM  

SkinnyHead: In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.


Bullsh*t.
 
2011-11-19 07:04:30 PM  
Oh. Wait. It's just Skinnyhead.

Never mind.
 
2011-11-19 07:04:54 PM  

SkinnyHead: the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police


You really are a cowardly grabasstic piece of shiat.
 
2011-11-19 07:05:45 PM  
Anonymous has all his info. Enjoy paying for all those pizzas you ordered, Lieutenant Pike.
 
2011-11-19 07:06:45 PM  

SkinnyHead: In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.


You realize that in the end, they're just going to strap a rat cage to your head, don't you?
 
2011-11-19 07:06:47 PM  
It's gonna get interesting when one of these "occupiers" decides to spray some cops with a 30-round magazine of AK fire.

/Inevitable if this keeps up.
 
2011-11-19 07:06:51 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.


Watch the rest. You see other, non-sprayed protestors in the background being plasti-cuffed and drug away.

And as to the "it looks like they just walked up and started spraying but probably didn't" in order for it be justifiable you would have to assume that the SECOND before the video starts rolling the protestor had been in a violent frother fury, and then all the sudden sat down and acted nice for the cameras.

Occam says: Unlikely.
 
2011-11-19 07:06:56 PM  

JesusJuice: This cop should be dead with his family mourning him.


If you think a person (anybody) should be dead for pepper spraying people, than you are just as over reactionary as this cop who peppers prays people for not following simple directions.
 
2011-11-19 07:07:02 PM  

MorrisBird: Anonymous has all his info. Enjoy paying for all those pizzas you ordered, Lieutenant Pike.


Sh*t, Anon is probably one of the delivery drivers...
 
2011-11-19 07:08:38 PM  
What a bunch of worthless excuses for human beings those cops are.
 
2011-11-19 07:10:19 PM  

xalres: What a bunch of worthless excuses for human beings those cops are.


They're useful idiots in that their overreactions keep people talking about the Occupy movement, and that's a good thing.
 
2011-11-19 07:10:46 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Fart_Machine: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.

Hey they gave them three minutes. How much time did they need? They should have broke out the truncheons after the first minute. Stupid peaceful protestors probably interrupted this guy's doughnut break.

I didn't see any info on how much warning they were given, but even three minutes should have been enough for the to leave. They bunkered down and took the spray like they knew it was coming. I'm impressed by their comittment, but don't try to tell me the cops were in the wrong. Those folks wanted to get sprayed to make a statement.


She was asking to be raped!
 
2011-11-19 07:10:47 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.

The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.

I assume you would guess they just walked up and started spraying......I doubt that was the case.


So you imagine a bunch of students acting like a mob until moments before the camera started rolling? They couldn't have just been sitting there the whole time?
 
2011-11-19 07:11:39 PM  

whidbey: shanrick [TotalFark] Add Favorite User Quote 2011-11-19 06:22:50 PM
For What It's Worth

So far we've had Nash (Chicago) Young (Ohio) and now Stills.

So I guess Crosby was too whacked out on coke to come up with a protest song back in the day that might mean something if we played it now?


He was the weakest link. Worthless no-talent hanger-on, even.
 
2011-11-19 07:12:05 PM  

Fido McCokefiend: Strutting Leo


As outraged as I am about this whole incident, that one almost made me shart I was laughing so hard.
 
2011-11-19 07:12:40 PM  
This is not going to end well.

If that cop is smart (an oxymoron) he'll be moving out of his house tomorrow morning and requesting a transfer to another planet.
 
2011-11-19 07:12:48 PM  
As expected, these thugs are claiming they were surrounded by protesters, so they had to spray. From the link up higher: "UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza told the Sacramento Bee (http://bit.ly/sKoP5T) that police used the pepper spray after they were surrounded. Protesters were warned repeatedly beforehand that force would be used if they didn't move, she said.

"There was no way out of that circle," Spicuzza said. "They were cutting the officers off from their support. It's a very volatile situation."
 
2011-11-19 07:14:22 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: NkThrasher: IamKaiserSoze!!!: They bunkered down and took the spray like they knew it was coming. I'm impressed by their comittment, but don't try to tell me the cops were in the wrong. Those folks wanted to get sprayed to make a statement.

All the more reason for the police not to do it. It only serves undermines their position more.

Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT

OK, so the cops were given orders to move the protestors....how should it have happened? A bulldozed, rubber bullets, warter cannon, or what? These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

/well, that's my humble opinion

//they will love tellin their pepper spray story the rest of their lives


And now we will never know because the Police officer broke the law and assaulted a group of people for no good reason. Shame isn't it?
 
2011-11-19 07:15:23 PM  

oukewldave: "There was no way out of that circle," Spicuzza said. "They were cutting the officers off from their support. It's a very volatile situation."


So they sprayed the guys sitting quietly in the middle of the circle, rather than the ones who were actually blocking their ability to retreat to safety?

Makes perfect sense.
 
2011-11-19 07:16:26 PM  

oukewldave: As expected, these thugs are claiming they were surrounded by protesters, so they had to spray. From the link up higher: "UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza told the Sacramento Bee (http://bit.ly/sKoP5T) that police used the pepper spray after they were surrounded. Protesters were warned repeatedly beforehand that force would be used if they didn't move, she said.

"There was no way out of that circle," Spicuzza said. "They were cutting the officers off from their support. It's a very volatile situation."


Those poor poor armed and armored cops. Frightened of being cut off from their donut supply by hordes of UC Davis students.

UC Davis is filled with *nerds*. WTF, these cops are enormous pussies.

Speaking of Davis cops, does anybody know of the infamous Davis midget cop was involved?
 
2011-11-19 07:16:26 PM  
The truly amazing thing about that video is the last 4 minutes or so. The students drove the cops off with nothing more than resolve and chants. They remained perfectly peaceful no one went so far as to throw evena wadded up peace of paper at the officers, they just chanted and won.
 
2011-11-19 07:16:30 PM  

BroVinny: But the Revolution gets more publicity. That's what's important.


Inconveniencing people using homeless camps wasn't exactly winning friends and influencing people.

Taking a beat-down for the cause will work a lot better than drum circles.
 
2011-11-19 07:16:32 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, so the cops were given orders to move the protestors....how should it have happened? A bulldozed, rubber bullets, warter cannon, or what? These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

/well, that's my humble opinion

//they will love tellin their pepper spray story the rest of their lives


Bring a van in, pick them up, handcuff them, drive them out. There is no need to use chemical agents to accomplish this. If they start actually threatening harm during this process, then you pepper spray them.

SkinnyHead: Headwaters case is completely different. That case was where police put tear gas in eyes using Q-tips. The arretees were already under arrest and in complete control of police,

In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.


I realize that quoting you is a violation of the cardinal rules of Fark, but you make at least somewhat of a valid point so I'll brave the "whhyyy quote skinyhead" to say that you didn't read far enough into the decision. Keep going and you'll find the part that applies.
 
2011-11-19 07:17:19 PM  

hubiestubert: Weaver95: LargeCanine: Weaver95: LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.

so you're saying that the cops are idiots? I mean if this was planned and the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted to have happen, then that means the protesters are waaaaaay smarter than the cops. the sheer smarts and discipline needed to pull off something like this....

wow!

No. Please do not try to put words in my mouh.

that's what you said tho - you specifically said that this was staged by the protesters. that means the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted them to do...which rather implies some very sad things about the level of intelligence among the cops in question.

your comments implied that you believe the protesters are some very well disciplined and very smart people.

To be fair, banking on over-reaction IS a part of the strategy here. The cops are playing into that. Less well oiled machine, than the general strategy of non-violent protests.

What is shocking, is that the cops, when faced with over 30 years of non-violent protests, fall for the over-reaction so damn fast. And I suspect that is what the Big Dog was trying to point out.


Hook, line and sinker. I don't doubt for a second that if the list of police acts of violence had not happened, Occupy would not have the traction it does. Look at Occupy Los Angeles. Other than the small deal at the BofA thing a couple days ago, which my understanding was that this splinter group wasn't "sanctioned" by the GA. The LA Occupation has gotten little attention other than that it has been tolerated by the cops, city council etc. Without the head crackin there isn't much sizzle to this story as far as the media is concerned.

I think the appropriate term for the police here is "useful idiots"...
 
2011-11-19 07:18:10 PM  

Rozotorical:
OK, so the cops were given orders to move the protestors....


This right here is the problem.
 
2011-11-19 07:18:45 PM  
If you can't have a political demonstration and practice your constitutional right of free speech on a college campus without getting pepper sprayed in the farking face, then where is left in America can you do it? These kids are paying thousands of dollars every year to this college, and they can't even use the campus without being pepper sprayed?

The idea that they needed the pepper spray because they were surrounded is retarded if the people you pepper spray are just some kids calmly sitting on the ground in front of you.
 
2011-11-19 07:19:43 PM  

IoSaturnalia: BroVinny: But the Revolution gets more publicity. That's what's important.

Inconveniencing people using homeless camps wasn't exactly winning friends and influencing people.

Taking a beat-down for the cause will work a lot better than drum circles.


But you need the drum circles and the chanting to summon up the beatdown.
 
2011-11-19 07:19:43 PM  
weknowmemes.com
 
2011-11-19 07:20:12 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.

The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.

I assume you would guess they just walked up and started spraying......I doubt that was the case.

So you imagine a bunch of students acting like a mob until moments before the camera started rolling? They couldn't have just been sitting there the whole time?


Nope, I imagine that there was a lot of backstory that either was edited out of not captured. As much as you may hate or distrust cops, they have very structured protocals they have to follow and aren't given the option of simply pepper spraying or billyclubbing as much as many of our farklefts would like to say they do. They risk their careers/pensions/etc by acting outside what is allowed.

I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.
 
2011-11-19 07:20:21 PM  
Oops, sorry Rozotorical, I misattributed that quote.
 
2011-11-19 07:20:54 PM  

organizm: [weknowmemes.com image 500x312]


Is that a Pride Parade? That's one jolly-as-f*ck cop.
 
2011-11-19 07:21:05 PM  
Ya know ... I still see when Skinnyhead posts shiat. Why do I do that? His GED in LAW doesn't do anything other than derail a conversation.
 
2011-11-19 07:21:32 PM  
Why would somebody do such a thing? Because he has been trained to follow orders.
 
2011-11-19 07:21:42 PM  

SkinnyHead: NkThrasher: Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT

Headwaters case is completely different. That case was where police put tear gas in eyes using Q-tips. The arretees were already under arrest and in complete control of police,

In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.


Wow. If you think a bunch of college kids (a "radical protest group"?? You never went to college, did you?) sitting on a sidewalk and protesting (as college students have been doing for generations, in case you haven't noticed) presents a "dangerous situation," the world must be a truly terrifying place for you. Tell us more of these horrors you so bravely navigate every day.
 
2011-11-19 07:22:13 PM  

ivan: Rozotorical:
OK, so the cops were given orders to move the protestors....

This right here is the problem.


?
 
2011-11-19 07:22:18 PM  

MorrisBird: Anonymous has all his info. Enjoy paying for all those pizzas you ordered, Lieutenant Pike.


Maybe the 20th pizza delivery guy pepper sprays this cop while wearing a Guy Fawkes mask?

The image of the deliveryman looking up from the stack of pizzas and hitting the fascist bastard in the mouth right between the "What the" and the "fark? tickles me greatly.
 
2011-11-19 07:22:19 PM  

ivan: Rozotorical:
OK, so the cops were given orders to move the protestors....

This right here is the problem.


B-b-but PERMITS!

ivan: whidbey: shanrick [TotalFark] Add Favorite User Quote 2011-11-19 06:22:50 PM
For What It's Worth

So far we've had Nash (Chicago) Young (Ohio) and now Stills.

So I guess Crosby was too whacked out on coke to come up with a protest song back in the day that might mean something if we played it now?

He was the weakest link. Worthless no-talent hanger-on, even.


Dude bite your tongue. He was in the freaking BYRDS. That's like insulting Keith Richards.

/well, not really
 
2011-11-19 07:22:38 PM  
k.wigflip.com
 
2011-11-19 07:23:01 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.


How about this, there is absolutely zero justification for using pepper spray against peaceful people ever, period.
 
2011-11-19 07:23:26 PM  

IoSaturnalia: BroVinny: But the Revolution gets more publicity. That's what's important.

Inconveniencing people using homeless camps wasn't exactly winning friends and influencing people.

Taking a beat-down for the cause will work a lot better than drum circles.


The ultimate PR coup for OWS will be when one of their own dies at the hands of police. It's just a matter of time. My guess is that one of these normally non-lethal attacks will get out of hand (maybe someone with a capsaicin allergy will get sprayed), and then the hearts and minds of mainstream America will awaken to the cause.

Viva la revolucion!
 
2011-11-19 07:23:28 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: The My Little Pony Killer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.

The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.

I assume you would guess they just walked up and started spraying......I doubt that was the case.

So you imagine a bunch of students acting like a mob until moments before the camera started rolling? They couldn't have just been sitting there the whole time?

Nope, I imagine that there was a lot of backstory that either was edited out of not captured. As much as you may hate or distrust cops, they have very structured protocals they have to follow and aren't given the option of simply pepper spraying or billyclubbing as much as many of our farklefts would like to say they do. They risk their careers/pensions/etc by acting outside what is allowed.

I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.


You sure about that? How much would you like to wager on that?
 
2011-11-19 07:25:30 PM  

WhyteRaven74: IamKaiserSoze!!!: I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.

How about this, there is absolutely zero justification for using pepper spray against peaceful people ever, period.


What if it was a very bland group of people?
 
2011-11-19 07:26:16 PM  
heh.

'lawsuit in a can' gets my vote for best comment picture so far.
 
2011-11-19 07:26:46 PM  
Most of my comments on this forum are critical of the Occupy movement. That said, this is a blatant act of police brutality and this officer needs to lose his job. Arrest them if need be. However, if they are not threatening you with violence you have no right to use weapons, even non lethal weapons, on peaceful protesters.
 
2011-11-19 07:28:58 PM  

Rozotorical: What if it was a very bland group of people?


You magnificent bastard.
 
2011-11-19 07:29:17 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: The My Little Pony Killer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.

The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.

I assume you would guess they just walked up and started spraying......I doubt that was the case.

So you imagine a bunch of students acting like a mob until moments before the camera started rolling? They couldn't have just been sitting there the whole time?

Nope, I imagine that there was a lot of backstory that either was edited out of not captured. As much as you may hate or distrust cops, they have very structured protocals they have to follow and aren't given the option of simply pepper spraying or billyclubbing as much as many of our farklefts would like to say they do. They risk their careers/pensions/etc by acting outside what is allowed.

I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.


At least they aren't heavily edited like where I'm sure you get your news from.
 
2011-11-19 07:31:37 PM  
One cannot help but wonder whether Lieutenant Pike likes anchovies?
 
SU
2011-11-19 07:32:16 PM  
And here's some for you, and you, and you...
 
2011-11-19 07:33:58 PM  

originalname138: Not that he'd be likely to face justice for this anyway, but it's worth noting that their official response is that they were forced to use pepper spray because they felt threatened by the size of the crowd -- i.e., they're claiming self-defense.


Because the obvious thing to do when feeling threatened by a crowd of standing spectators is to pepper spray the people sitting passively on the ground.
 
2011-11-19 07:34:01 PM  

WhyteRaven74: IamKaiserSoze!!!: I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.

How about this, there is absolutely zero justification for using pepper spray against peaceful people ever, period.


So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.

If they sit on the ambulance entry to a hospital, people die, but that's their right.

Good luck with your logic. I don't care how peaceful people are, when they break a law they are a criminal, no matter how much they may justify it by what they believe to be the high moral ground.

I'm guessing those folks were given plenty of options to leave and forced the issue. They are not innocent victims.
 
2011-11-19 07:34:06 PM  
It looks like a photo shoot. Staged propaganda.
 
2011-11-19 07:35:05 PM  

Weaver95: heh.

'lawsuit in a can' gets my vote for best comment picture so far.


Thanks. I should have enabled the voting option.
 
2011-11-19 07:35:06 PM  

organizm: [weknowmemes.com image 500x312]

weknowmemes.com


meanwhile, when people actually protest in canada...
www.sott.net

http://www.thestar.com/news/torontog20summit/article/887750--toronto -h earings-put-spotlight-on-g20-policing (new window)
 
2011-11-19 07:35:11 PM  

badhatharry: It looks like a photo shoot. Staged propaganda.


and yet...it wasn't.

amazing, isn't it?
 
2011-11-19 07:36:20 PM  

organizm: [weknowmemes.com image 500x312]


Umm yeah, not exactly. Aside from that being a pride parade photo, response has varied across Canada as it has across the US. A lot of the camps have already been shut down (albeit peacefully), with a couple more court decisions due to come in on Monday.

Occupy Edmonton is in a situation similar to New York, where the camp is on a privately owned public access park. The owners did previously (a couple weeks ago) put out an eviction notice, but then decided not to enforce it. The police said it's up to the owners. About half an hour ago the owners gave an eviction deadline of 11pm tomorrow night, citing liability and health and safety concerns. It's not really surprising, since it's currently -20C and I'm sure they don't want to be held liable if someone freezes to death.

In the spirit of the "friendly Canucks" stereotype, I will mention that on the Nov 17 Day of Action, unlike most US cities Occupy Edmonton didn't have a traffic-snarling march, they held a community appreciation BBQ.
 
2011-11-19 07:36:39 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: The My Little Pony Killer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.

The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.

I assume you would guess they just walked up and started spraying......I doubt that was the case.

So you imagine a bunch of students acting like a mob until moments before the camera started rolling? They couldn't have just been sitting there the whole time?

Nope, I imagine that there was a lot of backstory that either was edited out of not captured. As much as you may hate or distrust cops, they have very structured protocals they have to follow and aren't given the option of simply pepper spraying or billyclubbing as much as many of our farklefts would like to say they do. They risk their careers/pensions/etc by acting outside what is allowed.

I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.

At least they aren't heavily edited like where I'm sure you get your news from.


The only news I watch is Morning Joe in the am. You think they slant this in a conservative manner?

Jeezuz, don't be such an asswipe.
 
2011-11-19 07:36:51 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.


Because you have NO OPTION to move them other than spraying a caustic chemical, which may cause a deadly allergic reaction in their face.

Keep farking that chicken.
 
2011-11-19 07:37:36 PM  

MorrisBird: Anonymous has all his info. Enjoy paying for all those pizzas you ordered, Lieutenant Pike.


I can't condone this, but... I can chuckle at it.
 
2011-11-19 07:37:38 PM  
I love that there are still a couple people that defend authoritarian cops in these threads.

I always wonder what weird fascist country you guys are ok with living in when you see this and side with the cops...
 
2011-11-19 07:37:44 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.


Your driveway or a hospital entrance is not the same as a college campus.

when they break a law they are a criminal,

So then anything the cops do is justified?
 
2011-11-19 07:38:09 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: I'm guessing those folks were given plenty of options to leave and forced the issue. They are not innocent victims.


Yes, they are. They could be arrested for trespassing. That would have been a perfectly legitimate action. Attacking them with a weapon is not. Lt. Pike needs to lose his damn job.
 
2011-11-19 07:39:02 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: WhyteRaven74: IamKaiserSoze!!!: I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.

How about this, there is absolutely zero justification for using pepper spray against peaceful people ever, period.

So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.

If they sit on the ambulance entry to a hospital, people die, but that's their right.

Good luck with your logic. I don't care how peaceful people are, when they break a law they are a criminal, no matter how much they may justify it by what they believe to be the high moral ground.

I'm guessing those folks were given plenty of options to leave and forced the issue. They are not innocent victims.

Focus Man!
So where were they sitting again?
 
2011-11-19 07:39:03 PM  

WhyteRaven74: IamKaiserSoze!!!: So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.

Your driveway or a hospital entrance is not the same as a college campus.



Well, you can't have an argument without a strawman.
 
2011-11-19 07:39:48 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.

Because you have NO OPTION to move them other than spraying a caustic chemical, which may cause a deadly allergic reaction in their face.

Keep farking that chicken.


As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.
 
2011-11-19 07:40:27 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Good luck with your logic. I don't care how peaceful people are, when they break a law they are a criminal, no matter how much they may justify it by what they believe to be the high moral ground..


so the next time you get pulled over for speeding, you're ok if the cop rapes your daughter? i mean hey, you were speeding right? according to your logic, anything the cops do to you is totally cool because hey...you were breaking the law!
 
2011-11-19 07:41:26 PM  

Weaver95: badhatharry: It looks like a photo shoot. Staged propaganda.

and yet...it wasn't.

amazing, isn't it?


I'm waiting for some pinhead at Fox to spin it that the brave officer took the time to spritz down the over heated protestors with Orangina...
 
2011-11-19 07:42:00 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.


no, it's clear that the cop(s) were the f*ck up in this situation. why you are trying to spin this is beyond me.
 
2011-11-19 07:42:44 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manne


I believe! Link (new window)
 
2011-11-19 07:43:23 PM  
non story, overzealous can of pepper spray.
 
2011-11-19 07:43:34 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.

Because you have NO OPTION to move them other than spraying a caustic chemical, which may cause a deadly allergic reaction in their face.

Keep farking that chicken.

As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.


You're right, we have no way of verifying that the seated protesters weren't just taking a regularly scheduled break from their violent rioting.

Logic, how the fark does it work?
 
2011-11-19 07:43:36 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: o leave in a peaceful manner.


They chose to keep sitting in a peaceful manner. Also were the cops in riot gear? You have people sitting around peacefully, why wear riot gear? Why not just pull out the ticket book and hand out a bunch of tickets and be on your way?
 
2011-11-19 07:44:25 PM  

Weaver95: IamKaiserSoze!!!: As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.

no, it's clear that the cop(s) were the f*ck up in this situation. why you are trying to spin this is beyond me.


Because permits. Hippies. Because the Tea Party.

Did I already mention "hippies?"
 
2011-11-19 07:44:28 PM  
Hope that pig gets a Bhut Jolokia in the Bhut...
 
2011-11-19 07:45:10 PM  

WhyteRaven74: IamKaiserSoze!!!: So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my Antedeus: IamKaiserSoze!!!: I'm guessing those folks were given plenty of options to leave and forced the issue. They are not innocent victims.

Yes, they are. They could be arrested for trespassing. That would have been a perfectly legitimate action. Attacking them with a weapon is not. Lt. Pike needs to lose his damn job.

driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.

Your driveway or a hospital entrance is not the same as a college campus.

when they break a law they are a criminal,

So then anything the cops do is justified?


I would wager a couple weeks earnings that the cops were following protocal after attempting to get the protestors to comply with their orders. You may not like the law, but it is what it is.......these folks knew what was coming. These cops had an assload at risk if they did anything outside protocal and they all know everything they do is captured on video.

Now, I'm signing off because the original True Grit is on and I can't allow anything to disturb me.

/there are shades of gray
 
2011-11-19 07:45:23 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.


Lack of police patience is not cause for a physical attack.

It's that simple.
 
2011-11-19 07:45:23 PM  

whidbey: Weaver95: IamKaiserSoze!!!: As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.

no, it's clear that the cop(s) were the f*ck up in this situation. why you are trying to spin this is beyond me.

Because permits. Hippies. Because the Tea Party.

Did I already mention "hippies?"


Shut up you Lib Judge!
 
2011-11-19 07:46:12 PM  

whidbey: Weaver95: IamKaiserSoze!!!: As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.

no, it's clear that the cop(s) were the f*ck up in this situation. why you are trying to spin this is beyond me.

Because permits. Hippies. Because the Tea Party.

Did I already mention "hippies?"


I do so love the permits meme of late

/Thought these farkers were strict constitutionalists?
//oh right, the fantasy one only that only looks out for rich white people...
 
2011-11-19 07:46:18 PM  
Guys, we're losing focus here. The focus should be about economic injustice, not about the protesters' suffering. If we make it about the suffering, then those who suffered will have done so in vain.
 
2011-11-19 07:46:31 PM  
TFA: The pepper spray was used because they needed to get out of there

That's not how "self defense" works, you jackass. Police don't get to use chemical weapons to force compliance; if somebody disobeys what the officer believes is a lawful order, then that person can be arrested and the court decides his/her punishment. Cops are not there to pass judgement or carry out punishment. That the establishment is backing this heinous act is completely unacceptable.

Word to the wise: you can only beat, shock, burn, and otherwise traumatize peaceful protesters for so long before they become unpeaceful protesters. If we're not exceptionally careful, this situation could end up with a lot of people taking dirt naps.
 
2011-11-19 07:46:57 PM  
You mess with the BULL, you gonna get the horns! The protestors made a conscientious choice to get pepper sprayed. They hankered for it, they yearned for it, they wanted it. They achieved their goal and their 15 minutes of fame. They had a choice to not get pepper sprayed, but they chose to partake of the goodness. So be it.
 
2011-11-19 07:47:38 PM  

Weaver95: why you are trying to spin this is beyond me.


Nearly 200 posts in, I think I'm willing to give this one....

www.fantasticshakers.com
 
2011-11-19 07:48:50 PM  

NkThrasher: SkinnyHead: Headwaters case is completely different. That case was where police put tear gas in eyes using Q-tips. The arretees were already under arrest and in complete control of police,

In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.

I realize that quoting you is a violation of the cardinal rules of Fark, but you make at least somewhat of a valid point so I'll brave the "whhyyy quote skinyhead" to say that you didn't read far enough into the decision. Keep going and you'll find the part that applies.


I admire your bravery. I read the decision. It might be helpful if you were to quote the portion of the decision that you think is most significant.
 
2011-11-19 07:49:03 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!:
I would wager a couple weeks earnings that the cops were following protocal after attempting to get the protestors to comply with their orders. You may not like the law, but it is what it is.......these folks knew what was coming. These cops had an assload at risk if they did anything outside protocal and they all know everything they do is captured on video.

Now, I'm signing off because the original True Grit is on and I can't allow anything to disturb me.

/there are shades of gray


If their established protocol is to spray unarmed seated protesters in the face, then why has the chancellor of UCD called for an inquiry?
 
2011-11-19 07:50:44 PM  
Mmm, incapacitating...
 
2011-11-19 07:51:06 PM  
i.imgur.com

Huh, you say? Well what if Barney Fife became sheriff and his retarded son got a job as chair warmer in the Station.
 
2011-11-19 07:51:34 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: IamKaiserSoze!!!: As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.

Lack of police patience is not cause for a physical attack.

It's that simple.


It's getting to the point where the people are going to strip the police of their weapons because they are far to quick to resort to these "last resort" messures.

How did the cops of olde possibly keep the order with a wooden stick?

Everytime one of these incidents happen the victims should file assult charges against the offending cop. And I want it challenged if need be all the way up.

I want the SC on record saying that cops do not have to obey the laws of the land just 'cause.

Then enjoy the resurgance of the guillotine...
 
2011-11-19 07:54:43 PM  
I love how the police spokesperson claimed the officers were "trapped"....yet the officer pepper spraying the protestors just stepped over them with no issue. farking whimps.

I'm not going to shed any tears if a bunch of cops end up taking long dirt naps when the brutality like this keeps on.
 
2011-11-19 07:55:49 PM  

zusya: holy crap. http://anoncentral.tumblr.com/post/13023795840/d0x-uc-davis-pepper-spr aying-officer-lt-john-pike

[i1091.photobucket.com image 216x295]

Lieutenant John Pike


That guy looks like he snores while wide awake.

I do wonder, though, what will happen to him. Anonymous always talks a great game, but nothing really ever happens. And I'm sure the police department isn't going to do fark-all.

No, like most monumental dicks, he's going to keep on being a dick and no one can do anything about it.
 
2011-11-19 07:56:06 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: I would wager a couple weeks earnings that the cops were following protocal after attempting to get the protestors to comply with their orders.


So in your world "I'm just following orders" is a valid defense?

Friction8r: They had a choice to not get pepper sprayed,


The cops had a choice not to pepper spray them.
 
2011-11-19 07:57:09 PM  

wmoonfox: Police don't get to use chemical weapons to force compliance; if somebody disobeys what the officer believes is a lawful order, then that person can be arrested and the court decides his/her punishment.


Clearly you know zero about police department's use of force policies. Granted, it's different department to department, agency to agency. But gaining compliance is typically what use of force revolves around, whether that 's compliance in moving an individual, breaking up a physical altercation, or making an arrest.
 
2011-11-19 07:58:10 PM  

BroVinny: Guys, we're losing focus here. The focus should be about economic injustice, not about the protesters' suffering. If we make it about the suffering, then those who suffered will have done so in vain.


Police being used to stop protestors of economic injustice IS economic injustice.

They are not separate topics.
 
2011-11-19 07:58:41 PM  
I've asked this before but it was at the end of a long debate so there were not many responses.

Is there any time that a person can tell a police officer no? Can a person do anything to not get arrested if an officer wants to arrest you?

Police can override your right to assembly, your right to speech, your right to seek redress for wrongs, your right to property etc...

If you say no, they can arrest your for passively resisting arrest, causing a disturbance or failure to comply. They can arrest you, drag you away and not press charges.

Is there ever a time you can tell a cop no? or do you just have to obey whatever they tell you?

(I once heard a saying: Your entire life is at the mercy of one cop having a bad day.)
 
2011-11-19 07:59:46 PM  

SkinnyHead: NkThrasher: Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT

Headwaters case is completely different. That case was where police put tear gas in eyes using Q-tips. The arretees were already under arrest and in complete control of police,

In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.


Fail. In Headwaters, the protesters were locked together and the police pepper sprayed them to force compliance rather than, as they had successfully done before, using a grinder to painlessly separate them.
 
2011-11-19 08:00:27 PM  
www.harikari.com
 
2011-11-19 08:00:42 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: NkThrasher: IamKaiserSoze!!!: They bunkered down and took the spray like they knew it was coming. I'm impressed by their comittment, but don't try to tell me the cops were in the wrong. Those folks wanted to get sprayed to make a statement.

All the more reason for the police not to do it. It only serves undermines their position more.

Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT

OK, so the cops were given orders to move the protestors....how should it have happened? A bulldozed, rubber bullets, warter cannon, or what? These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

/well, that's my humble opinion

//they will love tellin their pepper spray story the rest of their lives


Here's how it generally works, and has for generations. If you're taking part in a sit-in, you know you're likely to be arrested. That's a given.

You are taught that you do nothing but sit. You do not resist, you do not speak, you sit. When the cops come up, they'll likely be a little rough on the arms, but not always, and they'll slap the zip-ties on your wrists and either lift you to your feet or drag you away.

That's how it works when you're a protester at these types of events. The protesters know it and the cops know it. I have a feeling you know it, too, but would rather see the cops bash some hippie heads in just for the fun of it.
 
2011-11-19 08:01:59 PM  

NotoriousFire: Clearly you know zero about police department's use of force policies.


Clearly, you're a moron. I am not debating any specific department's policy. Police do not have the right to attack people without cause. Period. Fark your policy.
 
2011-11-19 08:02:07 PM  

Weaver95: moralpanic: I just love how nonchalant he is. Even in the video, he just walks back and forth like he's spraying weeds.

its called 'sociopathy'.


Meanwhile the police in question are trying to proclaim that pepper spray what deployed in response to immanent threat.
This turd in question also violated pretty much every documented protocol on deploying pepper spray that can be found out there.

At some point we are going to have to realize two things:
1) The police are deliberately attempting to incite violence.
2) The police are eager, unabashed perjurers who will piss down everyone's backs and tell us it's raining. At what point do we finally admit that law enforcement is full of people with absolutely no integrity?

This degenerate thug is very lucky he is in a country where protesters are dedicated to nonviolence. This was a deliberate provocation and incitement and he's very lucky nobody took the bait.

ps. Don't you love how all the trolls have some sort of "dog" reference to them? Maybe it's just one.
 
2011-11-19 08:02:53 PM  

rdalton: Is there ever a time you can tell a cop no? or do you just have to obey whatever they tell you?


It all depends on if the cop's a dick or not.

I've known people to stand up for their rights and "get away with it." A lawyer friend challenged a drunk-driving stop, where the Anchorage PD were stopping every car on a highway and checking them. He drove through the checkpoint, handed them his business card through a crack in the window, and they waved him on. He said "no," and it was fine.

I've also known people to get beaten for saying no. Nothing ever happens to the cops -- nothing of note, anyway.

So it's all up to whether or not the cop is a dick. And it's a profession that attracts a lot of dicks.
 
2011-11-19 08:03:03 PM  

NotoriousFire: But gaining compliance is typically what use of force revolves around,


No it's not, and the SC would resoundling reject that. Is gaining compliance a consideration in use of force? Yes. But use of force revolves around the force being both reasonable and necessary.

Is pepper spraying a line of peaceful protestors to gain compliance necessary? No, no, a thousand times no. Had they attempted to use simple arrest control techniques that protestors resisted violently or struggled beyond the officers ability to reasonably control them, would it have then been necessary? Maybe.
 
2011-11-19 08:03:19 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: BroVinny: Guys, we're losing focus here. The focus should be about economic injustice, not about the protesters' suffering. If we make it about the suffering, then those who suffered will have done so in vain.

Police being used to stop protestors of economic injustice IS economic injustice.

They are not separate topics.


www.blogcdn.com
 
2011-11-19 08:03:51 PM  

rdalton: I've asked this before but it was at the end of a long debate so there were not many responses.

Is there any time that a person can tell a police officer no? Can a person do anything to not get arrested if an officer wants to arrest you?

Police can override your right to assembly, your right to speech, your right to seek redress for wrongs, your right to property etc...

If you say no, they can arrest your for passively resisting arrest, causing a disturbance or failure to comply. They can arrest you, drag you away and not press charges.

Is there ever a time you can tell a cop no? or do you just have to obey whatever they tell you?

(I once heard a saying: Your entire life is at the mercy of one cop having a bad day.)


You can say no all you want. However, I always recommend using your right to remain silent.
 
2011-11-19 08:04:16 PM  
His information is all over the internet now.

That officer will never again have a peaceful day in his life. He will forever be pestered by the unforgiving internet.

The problem with this, though, is that the officer probably drew the short straw of the lot.

However... I'm sure you all know who else was 'just following orders'.
 
2011-11-19 08:05:20 PM  

Daobaz: His information is all over the internet now.

That officer will never again have a peaceful day in his life. He will forever be pestered by the unforgiving internet.


Sheeeit, he'll probably get his own talk show.
 
2011-11-19 08:05:46 PM  

wmoonfox: NotoriousFire: Clearly you know zero about police department's use of force policies.

Clearly, you're a moron. I am not debating any specific department's policy. Police do not have the right to attack people without cause. Period. Fark your policy.


I concur with you - police do not have the right to attack people without cause. In this case, the police were lawfully present and had the authority to move these individuals from the property, as requested by UC Davis. Were they (the police) in compliance with their policy? Doubtful, but who knows. But whether you call me a moron for stating fact, or saying fark the policy, at the end of the day the writing of the policy will be what either gets this police agent in trouble or cleared. Not what you or I or the masses think. But fun to throw adjectives around, shall we continue?
 
2011-11-19 08:06:33 PM  
i198.photobucket.com
 
2011-11-19 08:07:12 PM  
So a bunch of college students sat in the quad at a University of California campus and the cops thought the best way to disburse them was pepper spray?

Hey Officer, all you need to do is place Doritos and Taco Bell within sight of the protestors and wait it out. The munchies are more powerful thank you can imagine.
 
2011-11-19 08:07:37 PM  

badhatharry: rdalton: I've asked this before but it was at the end of a long debate so there were not many responses.

Is there any time that a person can tell a police officer no? Can a person do anything to not get arrested if an officer wants to arrest you?

Police can override your right to assembly, your right to speech, your right to seek redress for wrongs, your right to property etc...

If you say no, they can arrest your for passively resisting arrest, causing a disturbance or failure to comply. They can arrest you, drag you away and not press charges.

Is there ever a time you can tell a cop no? or do you just have to obey whatever they tell you?

(I once heard a saying: Your entire life is at the mercy of one cop having a bad day.)

You can say no all you want. However, I always recommend using your right to remain silent.


Just my opinion here....

I would say as long as you aren't being told to do something reprehensible, like murder someone, go along and follow whatever instructio you need to to peacefully resolve the situation. Keep very good notes on who/what/when/where. Follow up with formal complaints and civil action as necessary.


Which seems to be what these people did...they all sat there and took it pretty damned well.
 
2011-11-19 08:07:48 PM  
 
2011-11-19 08:09:04 PM  
I think that Lt. Pike deserves a promotion.

To Captain.

upload.wikimedia.org

/Beep.
 
2011-11-19 08:10:28 PM  

Chunky Pumpkinhead: [i198.photobucket.com image 640x408]


As funny as this is, I just know this is the kind of asshole that had pussy up to his elbows in high school. Probably lettered in football.

Asshole.

/high school was lonely for me
 
2011-11-19 08:13:04 PM  
Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed.
 
2011-11-19 08:13:16 PM  
Pepper spray-check, silver bells - shiatt. I left my silver bells at the station.
 
2011-11-19 08:13:38 PM  
Also concur with this completely, with exception of your first sentence. How does use of force and gaining compliance

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: NotoriousFire: But gaining compliance is typically what use of force revolves around,

No it's not, and the SC would resoundling reject that. Is gaining compliance a consideration in use of force? Yes. But use of force revolves around the force being both reasonable and necessary.
.


I don't see how they are mutually exclusive - the force does indeed need to be both reasonable and necessary, but it also centers on the reason for using force, which is, typically, to gain compliance. Not quite sure how you're arguing it doesn't - care to elaborate?

Also, throwing out this link merely for informative purposes, as it somewhat relates:
http://www.nij.gov/nij/topics/technology/less-lethal/decide.htm
 
2011-11-19 08:14:00 PM  

Daobaz: His information is all over the internet now.

That officer will never again have a peaceful day in his life. He will forever be pestered by the unforgiving internet.

The problem with this, though, is that the officer probably drew the short straw of the lot.

However... I'm sure you all know who else was 'just following orders'.


Earlier today this photo was circulating on FB with all of his personal information shopped in. A comment on the photo said, "His voicemail is full, but you can still e-mail him."
 
2011-11-19 08:14:41 PM  

evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed


Yes because the proper response to people sitting in protest is pepper spray.
 
2011-11-19 08:14:45 PM  

evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed.


Aren't the courts supposed to determine if you're breaking the law?
 
2011-11-19 08:15:46 PM  
Do they owe us a living?
COURSE THEY DO!
COURSE THEY DO!
Do they owe us a living?
COURSE THEY DO!
COURSE THEY DO!

Thread needed more Crass


/amirite
 
2011-11-19 08:16:46 PM  
They should've used water to make those scumbags disperse. That's non-lethal, so nobody would have anything bad to say about the police.

img.ezinemark.com
 
2011-11-19 08:16:58 PM  

evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed.



I think we should have the death penalty for speeding.
 
2011-11-19 08:17:54 PM  

evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed.


www.rageboy.com
 
2011-11-19 08:18:07 PM  

Giltric: Thread needed more Crass


Are you Japanese?
 
2011-11-19 08:18:21 PM  

NotoriousFire: but it also centers on the reason for using force, which is, typically, to gain compliance.


Use of force is for a LOT of reasons, only one of which is to gain compliance, hence my objection to the claim that departmental policies on use of force are centered around gaining compliance. The way I read your post, it sounded like the logical conclusion would be:

Move.
No.
*Pepperspray*
Move.
No.
*tazer*
Move.
No.
*BLAM*

Escalation of force to gain compliance only in so far as the level of force used is necessary to gain compliance. Gaining compliance in and of itself does not justify an escalating use of force.
 
2011-11-19 08:19:34 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed.

Aren't the courts supposed to determine if you're breaking the law?


Yeah, the judge is right there with the cop when I get a speeding ticket.

(I'm supportive of OWS but that was a stupid statement. Of course the police make determination whether a law's been broken. They do it all the time.)
 
2011-11-19 08:19:50 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: SkinnyHead: NkThrasher: Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT

Headwaters case is completely different. That case was where police put tear gas in eyes using Q-tips. The arretees were already under arrest and in complete control of police,

In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.

Fail. In Headwaters, the protesters were locked together and the police pepper sprayed them to force compliance rather than, as they had successfully done before, using a grinder to painlessly separate them.


But the key difference in Headwaters is that the protesters were already under complete police control and were not a danger to police or others. In Davis, you had a large, uncontrolled mob. That's much more dangerous.

In the case of Forrester v. City of San Diego, 25 F. 3d 804,the 9th Circuit said it's OK to use pain compliance tactics to arrest a mob of protesters who were resisting arrest, same way these UC Davis radicals were resisting arrest.

The 9th Circuit quoted Justice Kennedy to explain why it is so much more dangerous when you're dealing with an uncontrolled mob of protesters: "Even in the context of political protest, persistent, organized, premeditated lawlessness menaces in a unique way the capacity of a State to maintain order and preserve the rights of its citizens. Such actions are designed to inflame, not inform. They subvert the civility and mutual respect that are the essential preconditions for the orderly resolution of social conflict in a free society."
 
2011-11-19 08:19:53 PM  

WhyteRaven74: evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed

Yes because the proper response to people sitting in protest is pepper spray.


The thing is, it was exactly what they wanted.
 
2011-11-19 08:20:27 PM  

Craptastic: Giltric: Thread needed more Crass

Are you Japanese?


Yeah, are you racist?
 
2011-11-19 08:21:06 PM  

evil saltine: WhyteRaven74: evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed

Yes because the proper response to people sitting in protest is pepper spray.

The thing is, it was exactly what they wanted.


Haha, stupid cops!
 
2011-11-19 08:21:09 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Gaining compliance in and of itself does not justify an escalating use of force.


well, not in any society that believes in the rule of law. OTHER forms of government and types of societies think nothing of crushing dissent by any/all means necessary. There is a name for such places, and we used to consider them horrible places to live. Now it seems as if our local authoritarians think those methods are just fine to use agains people protesting against economic injustice.
 
2011-11-19 08:21:18 PM  
The officer should be charged with assault and sued by those kids for everything he owns.

This is not American.
 
2011-11-19 08:21:24 PM  
*shaking*

Must. Not. Quote. SkinnyHead.


Must. resist.
 
2011-11-19 08:21:30 PM  
They were in the quad. The weather that night was in the mid-40s and windy--not freezing, but pretty nippy. It doesn't look like they were blocking traffic. It a little while it would have gotten dark and cold, and they'd be bored and hungry.

You want to break up that group? Order around 50 pizzas and a few boxes of coffee and distribute to the cops and protesters. Cops first, then protesters who aren't being disobedient. Put cops who went to that college on the front lines and have them talk to the students. Putting myself in the protesters' shoes: I'm linked up with a bunch of other students, I have to pee, and Officer Friendly is chilling with me while he eats free pizza and collects overtime? It would all get kind of silly after a while. And my arms would start to hurt.

Cops get time-and-a-half. Even with the overtime and the pizza it's probably cheaper than the lawsuits and less embarrassing than a criminal case. And, as a bonus, you don't have to spray a 19-year-old in the face with a caustic chemical.

What's the rush?
 
2011-11-19 08:21:46 PM  
Forget the Pepper Spray, break out those 150 decibel speakers and crank up some sweet Merle Haggard "The Fightin' Side of Me," sit back with earplugs on, grab some popcorn, and watch the masses of clueless protestors scatter. Give them a sample of the Noriega treatment and capture it on video for posterity. THAT will make for some humorous goodness!
 
2011-11-19 08:22:20 PM  

Giltric: Craptastic: Giltric: Thread needed more Crass

Are you Japanese?

Yeah, are you racist?


Yeah! Let's have some forbidden love, Fark-style!
 
2011-11-19 08:23:22 PM  

Friction8r: Forget the Pepper Spray, break out those 150 decibel speakers and crank up some sweet Merle Haggard "The Fightin' Side of Me," sit back with earplugs on, grab some popcorn, and watch the masses of clueless protestors scatter. Give them a sample of the Noriega treatment and capture it on video for posterity. THAT will make for some humorous goodness!


I wonder if bagpipes would make an effective counter to LRAD....
 
2011-11-19 08:23:40 PM  

evil saltine: WhyteRaven74: evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed

Yes because the proper response to people sitting in protest is pepper spray.

The thing is, it was exactly what they wanted.


At least in NY all the OWS people wanted were jobs.

Thats what I hate about all these protests with no common unifying message.


I hear the Occupy Joliet protesters wanted four fried chickens and some dry white toast.
 
2011-11-19 08:24:01 PM  

Sheila_McSly: They were in the quad. The weather that night was in the mid-40s and windy--not freezing, but pretty nippy. It doesn't look like they were blocking traffic. It a little while it would have gotten dark and cold, and they'd be bored and hungry.

You want to break up that group? Order around 50 pizzas and a few boxes of coffee and distribute to the cops and protesters. Cops first, then protesters who aren't being disobedient. Put cops who went to that college on the front lines and have them talk to the students. Putting myself in the protesters' shoes: I'm linked up with a bunch of other students, I have to pee, and Officer Friendly is chilling with me while he eats free pizza and collects overtime? It would all get kind of silly after a while. And my arms would start to hurt.

Cops get time-and-a-half. Even with the overtime and the pizza it's probably cheaper than the lawsuits and less embarrassing than a criminal case. And, as a bonus, you don't have to spray a 19-year-old in the face with a caustic chemical.

What's the rush?


Your jib...the cut of it...it's attractive.
 
2011-11-19 08:24:50 PM  

evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed.



So where do you draw the line? Electrocuted with a taser? Beaten unconscious by clubs? Shot with a gun?

If you were a real American who had any appreciation for civil rights, you would be outraged by this. This isn't farking Syria. Not all cops are heroes.
 
2011-11-19 08:25:21 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: And they may also be an indicator of a pending airborne threat. This is the argument that the police will give when they use it as an excuse to stop and hold you.


Perhaps. This seems more likely, though.

apoptotic: whizbangthedirtfarmer: One day, protestors will think far enough ahead to don gas masks when they get out the pepper spray.

/c'mon guys, they aren't that expensive.

In 1999, when protesters at the Battle of Seattle started wearing gas masks, the city responded by making the sale, purchase, and possession of gas masks illegal. I suspect the same thing would happen now.

 
2011-11-19 08:25:23 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: *shaking*

Must. Not. Quote. SkinnyHead.


Must. resist.


Who?

/Seriously kids: Ignore is your friend.
//Life is too short for some brands of stoopid...
 
2011-11-19 08:26:14 PM  

SkinnyHead: OBEY!!!!!

 
2011-11-19 08:27:30 PM  
The rules learned since the mid-sixties have rolled back. Non-violent protest will be met with violence.

If it is all about a warning then doing what the police want to do, then are we ten to fifteen years away from what is in Iran now.

Link (new window)

BTW I am tired of cops pulling excuses out of their asses about implicit threats to their safety for reasons to abuse people.

I am not talking about going into drug houses without armor. The reason cops get better than average salaries and benefit relative to the education they have is that they are sometimes putting their life on the line from the random domestic dispute or a coked up psychopath pulled up in that car.

Can't stand the heat, get the fark out of the fire.
 
2011-11-19 08:28:08 PM  
Now they are well seasoned protesters.
 
2011-11-19 08:28:29 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: NotoriousFire: but it also centers on the reason for using force, which is, typically, to gain compliance.

Use of force is for a LOT of reasons, only one of which is to gain compliance, hence my objection to the claim that departmental policies on use of force are centered around gaining compliance. .


True, my apologies, I misinterpreted your argument. I agree completely with what you're saying, and yeah, obviously excessive force isn't right to use. Obviously you wouldn't escalate something petty to using lethal force.

I do think gaining compliance, in the broad meaning, is indeed what use of force policies center upon. Protecting one's self or others - that's gaining compliance from the offender, to neutralize the threat. Maintaining public order - that's also gaining compliance in that you're having somebody do as you require to maintain the order. And lastly to detain or arrest - that's gaining compliance. One of the elements of an arrest is compliance. I'd venture to say most policies pertain to these actions, all of which could be seen as gaining compliance. Not in those two specific words, but along the same meaning.

Anyways, I think we both have the same understanding, merely arguing semantics.
 
2011-11-19 08:29:30 PM  
These goddamn kids just don't know how to protest. Yelling, "Shame on you!" does absolutely jack shiat. In fact, shut your farking mouth because you're doing nothing but making yourself look foolish. If you want to send a statement, remain silent as if the pepper spray had no effect. Sadists derive pleasure from witnessing pain. Take away that pleasure and they become ineffective.
 
2011-11-19 08:29:34 PM  

SkinnyHead: I admire your bravery. I read the decision. It might be helpful if you were to quote the portion of the decision that you think is most significant.


Certainly. From the decision:

Defendants asserted at trial that the protestors' use of "black bears" constituted "'active' resistance to arrest,'" meriting the use of force. The Eureka Police Department defines "active resistance" as occurring when the "subject is attempting to interfere with the officer's actions by inflicting pain or physical injury to the officer without the use of a weapon or object." 240 F.3d at 1202-3. Characterizing the protestors' activities as "active resistance" is contrary to the facts of the case, viewing them, as we must, in the light most favorable to the protestors: the protestors were sitting peacefully, were easily moved by the police, and did not threaten or harm the officers. In sum, it would be clear to a reasonable officer that it was excessive to use pepper spray against the nonviolent protestors under these circumstances.

The question at hand here is whether or not the individuals being sprayed posed a threat. Claims about the crowd are not related to that question, as they would justify spraying members of the crowd, not the individuals sitting on the ground. The only consideration that is significantly different here is that the protesters on the ground were not 'easily' moved, however not being able to be easily moved is not in any way threatening, and judging that to be worthy of force is questionable at best.

Until there is threat to life limb or eyesight, force is not justified. There was no threat to life limb or eyesight, thus force was not justified.
 
2011-11-19 08:31:57 PM  

rdalton: I've asked this before but it was at the end of a long debate so there were not many responses.

Is there any time that a person can tell a police officer no? Can a person do anything to not get arrested if an officer wants to arrest you?

Police can override your right to assembly, your right to speech, your right to seek redress for wrongs, your right to property etc...

If you say no, they can arrest your for passively resisting arrest, causing a disturbance or failure to comply. They can arrest you, drag you away and not press charges.

Is there ever a time you can tell a cop no? or do you just have to obey whatever they tell you?

(I once heard a saying: Your entire life is at the mercy of one cop having a bad day.)


Edwards v South Carolina (new window)
 
2011-11-19 08:32:26 PM  
NotoriousFire ,
Anyways, I think we both have the same understanding, merely arguing semantics.


Isn't that half the point of a fark discussion board.
 
2011-11-19 08:33:24 PM  

BroVinny: (I'm supportive of OWS but that was a stupid statement. Of course the police make determination whether a law's been broken. They do it all the time.)


No, they don't. They make a probability assessment.

Determination of guilt and the issuance of punishment is the responsibility of the courts, not the police.

Their force is not to be used as punishment.
 
2011-11-19 08:33:54 PM  

hubiestubert: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: *shaking*

Must. Not. Quote. SkinnyHead.


Must. resist.

Who?

/Seriously kids: Ignore is your friend.
//Life is too short for some brands of stoopid...


I dunno... His brand of stupid is amusing, so I've never favorited!ed him.
 
2011-11-19 08:34:59 PM  

BroVinny: I'm supportive of OWS but


apparently more supportive of the police who pepper-sprayed a bunch of peaceful protesters.

Yeah. I went there...
 
2011-11-19 08:36:20 PM  

evil saltine: The thing is, it was exactly what they wanted.


Actually I'm pretty sure they wanted to keep sitting and protesting. And the cops had other choices besides pepper spray.
 
2011-11-19 08:36:47 PM  

Craptastic: hubiestubert: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: *shaking*

Must. Not. Quote. SkinnyHead.


Must. resist.

Who?

/Seriously kids: Ignore is your friend.
//Life is too short for some brands of stoopid...

I dunno... His brand of stupid is amusing, so I've never favorited!ed him.


You have a much higher BS tolerance than I do, methinks...

Then again, maybe I've been on Fark long enough for disingenuous trolling without any humor to have lost its appeal...
 
2011-11-19 08:37:35 PM  

NotoriousFire: Anyways, I think we both have the same understanding, merely arguing semantics.


Reasoned, respectful, and rational discourse? In MY Fark?

We're through the looking glass here people!

/and yes, I agree. Semantics. You ninny-head.
 
2011-11-19 08:37:48 PM  

MorrisBird: Anonymous has all his info. Enjoy paying for all those pizzas you ordered, Lieutenant Pike.


Ideally every last one of them will come with extra hot peppers on top.
 
2011-11-19 08:37:51 PM  
By the way, all of this so-called police brutality is taking place under Obama's Watch!! HIS Watch!! He's watching!!!eleventy
 
2011-11-19 08:37:56 PM  

Doc Lee: ake away that pleasure and they become ineffective escalate further.


Wait until one of these pigs permanently injures someone. The calls for blood will be enormous.
 
2011-11-19 08:38:51 PM  

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Jeezuz, don't be such an asswipe.


Same to you, sweet cheeks.