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(Huffington Post)   Police officer bravely pepper sprays 20 violent student protesters at UC Davis. Thank goodness he saved us all   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 756
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2011-11-19 02:09:23 PM  
What a Douchebag of Epic Proportions looks like:

1.bp.blogspot.com

24.media.tumblr.com

/he should be fat somewhere else
 
2011-11-19 02:21:06 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

"This is what you little punks get for taking me away from Skyrim!"
 
2011-11-19 02:25:25 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
"Hey guys! Watch as I prove their point. I hope no one has a camera around."
 
2011-11-19 02:27:51 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-19 02:33:03 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
"Lt. Fatty McDicklesson sprays a group of protesters with Flavacol before eating them"
 
2011-11-19 02:33:49 PM  

Mordis: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x333]
"Lt. Fatty McDicklesson sprays a group of protesters with Flavacol before eating them"


bwahahah
 
2011-11-19 02:35:15 PM  
Someday, I hope that fatass is in a job interview and the HE department shows up and says, "We can't hire you. It's not because of your "face"book page, either"
 
2011-11-19 02:36:10 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
"Wearin' waterproof boots with six inch pant cuffs? That's a sprayin'"
 
2011-11-19 02:38:34 PM  
Alternate caption: Contrary to popular belief, it's actually pretty easy bein' cheesy.
 
2011-11-19 02:49:27 PM  
The end of that video is actually pretty awesome.

The students crowd out the police and shame them into retreating.
 
2011-11-19 02:49:56 PM  
Gangster with a fat gut, a tiny ween, and a badge.
 
2011-11-19 02:51:46 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

"Try Eau de Capsaicin? On sale this week at Macy's. Comes in fragrances for men and for women. Eau de Capsaicin? Eau de Capsiacin? On sale this week at Macy's..."
 
2011-11-19 02:53:51 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-19 03:14:13 PM  
On his walk back he tased them all.
 
2011-11-19 03:19:58 PM  
img546.imageshack.us
 
2011-11-19 03:25:37 PM  
k.wigflip.com
 
2011-11-19 03:25:40 PM  
k.wigflip.com
 
2011-11-19 03:29:49 PM  
If you would like make your own head over to Roflbot and use the image URL of

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luwc2dAoBH1qat9xfo1_500.jpg

Have fun and I hope this cop is never entrusted with power again.
 
2011-11-19 03:31:51 PM  
k.wigflip.com
 
2011-11-19 03:38:40 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-19 04:05:37 PM  
looks like someone is getting a stern talking too about abusing the public while letting cameras catch the whole thing as it happens.
 
2011-11-19 04:13:13 PM  
This dude's life will now be a living hell. Thanks, Internet!
 
2011-11-19 04:42:08 PM  
i798.photobucket.com
 
2011-11-19 05:03:11 PM  
www.dailyhaiku.com
 
2011-11-19 05:38:46 PM  
Have fun, y'all. (new window)

California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable byimprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.
 
2011-11-19 05:46:40 PM  
Can Moderator retroactively turn this into a voting-enabled thread? This is because these captions are already giving me tons of LOLs, and I would like to see more.
 
2011-11-19 05:49:51 PM  

I Have The Touch of a Shocked Monkey: Can Moderator retroactively turn this into a voting-enabled thread? This is because these captions are already giving me tons of LOLs, and I would like to see more.


hmm...and here I was just thinking I'd like to see LESS police abuse.
 
2011-11-19 05:52:12 PM  
Normally I get pissed when a thread with a third of the comments of the other gets greened, but this has funnier images and a whole lot less Republican for the moment, so I'm ok with it.
 
2011-11-19 05:52:31 PM  
i241.photobucket.com
Officer Bozo shows off what he learned at Clown College to actual college students.
 
2011-11-19 05:52:52 PM  
If a group of people block a sidewalk, you have to let them. You can't use force to remove them. It's in the constitution.
 
2011-11-19 05:54:27 PM  
Mods, please remove the "HERO" tag. It is both trollish and disingenuous.

Thanks in advance.
 
2011-11-19 05:54:27 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: If a group of people block a sidewalk, you have to let them. You can't use force to remove them. It's in the constitution.


just redefine 'protest' and 'free speech' as 'terrorism' and that problem is solved!
 
2011-11-19 05:56:38 PM  

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 500x333]


And it has never been harder than right now.
 
2011-11-19 05:57:53 PM  
chanarchive.org
 
2011-11-19 05:58:27 PM  
k.wigflip.com
 
2011-11-19 06:00:09 PM  
Court decisions sure are a biatch when they directly relate to your inappropriate use of force.
 
2011-11-19 06:00:22 PM  
img403.imageshack.us
 
2011-11-19 06:00:24 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2011-11-19 06:00:47 PM  

whidbey: Mods, please remove the "HERO" tag. It is both trollish and disingenuous.

Thanks in advance.


Real news sites can be found that-a-way.
 
2011-11-19 06:01:14 PM  

simsite9: Have fun, y'all. (new window)

California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable byimprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.


Yeah but the police in California rarely get punished for stupid decisions they make that could harm people.

See: LA, Oakland, and Bay Area Rapid Transit
 
2011-11-19 06:02:26 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
"Hey kids, I fully support your right to be here, but mosquitoes can get really bad this time of year. Here, have some bugspray. I'm only looking out for you."
 
2011-11-19 06:04:56 PM  

Attica!!! Attica!!! Attica!!


Of course nothing will happen to that cop for liberally pepper spraying non violent actions. If I went in public and did to a crowd of people what he just did, I'm sure I'd be facing a bunch of felony charges. The only thing these police Departments respond to is losing money so it would be nice if there was a way for civil lawsuits to be brought against the police force.

 
2011-11-19 06:05:39 PM  

simsite9: Have fun, y'all. (new window)

California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable byimprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.


Not that he'd be likely to face justice for this anyway, but it's worth noting that their official response is that they were forced to use pepper spray because they felt threatened by the size of the crowd -- i.e., they're claiming self-defense.
 
2011-11-19 06:06:47 PM  
A little after the 6 minute mark the little chick cop starts squeaking at the protesters. It reminds me of Police Academy.
 
2011-11-19 06:06:56 PM  
At first these Occupy people I thought were a bit annoying, but now with the cops taking such a hardline and being so inappropriate I am now in favor of them. Will be visiting Occupy San Jose.

Fark the cops who abuse people.
 
2011-11-19 06:07:24 PM  
 
2011-11-19 06:07:34 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: If a group of people block a sidewalk, you have to let them. You can't use force to remove them. It's in the constitution.


Clearly he was merely sharing a light nutritional spice, I see no force being used.
 
2011-11-19 06:08:09 PM  
UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza defended her officers' actions to KCRA. She argued that it just wasn't safe for students to camp on the quad. "It's not safe for multiple reasons," Spicuzza said.

The main one being that thug cops are going to attack them with chemical weapons.
 
2011-11-19 06:08:30 PM  

originalname138: simsite9: Have fun, y'all. (new window)

California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable byimprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.

Not that he'd be likely to face justice for this anyway, but it's worth noting that their official response is that they were forced to use pepper spray because they felt threatened by the size of the crowd -- i.e., they're claiming self-defense.


Yep...the article I posted from the Chronicle mentioned that police basically used that excuse
 
2011-11-19 06:09:49 PM  
When you've had a long day and haven't eaten lunch, everything looks like dry delicious popcorn beckoning seasoning.
 
2011-11-19 06:10:57 PM  
img402.imageshack.us
 
2011-11-19 06:13:05 PM  

Radioactive Ass:


Execukkake
 
2011-11-19 06:13:44 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Well it looks like UC Davis officials are going to look into the matter END UP LOOKING THE OTHER WAY ON THIS.

 
2011-11-19 06:16:01 PM  
How many years behind bars do you suppose a citizen who sprays a line of cops with pepper spray would be looking at?
 
2011-11-19 06:16:16 PM  
I wonder when the lawsuits from this are going to start rolling in. And how about a federal investigation for civil rights violations.
 
2011-11-19 06:18:28 PM  

ongbok: I wonder when the lawsuits from this are going to start rolling in. And how about a federal investigation for civil rights violations.


No no, don't be absurd:

Tea Party=Peaceful
OWS=damn dirty apes who deserved it
 
2011-11-19 06:18:45 PM  

whidbey: Mrtraveler01: Well it looks like UC Davis officials are going to look into the matter END UP LOOKING THE OTHER WAY ON THIS.


You're probably right...the whole task force investigation that's being done with this is probably nothing more than a dog and pony show.
 
2011-11-19 06:19:55 PM  

GoldSpider: How many years behind bars do you suppose a citizen who sprays a line of cops with pepper spray would be looking at?


None. One of them would yell "GUN" and the perp would wind up with 93 holes in their body.
 
2011-11-19 06:20:06 PM  
You know, if the cops showed up and asked, the students would probably have gone along with being arrested.
 
2011-11-19 06:20:52 PM  
That use of force, from that brief video clip, appears warranted in ABSOLUTELY NO FARKING WAY WHATSOEVER!
 
2011-11-19 06:21:00 PM  
Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.
 
2011-11-19 06:21:42 PM  

Mrtraveler01: whidbey: Mrtraveler01: Well it looks like UC Davis officials are going to look into the matter END UP LOOKING THE OTHER WAY ON THIS.

You're probably right...the whole task force investigation that's being done with this is probably nothing more than a dog and pony show.


It's just the cynic in me. I wouldn't be surprised if their findings was a vote of "no wrongdoing."

[Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes.gif]
 
2011-11-19 06:22:50 PM  
There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
 
2011-11-19 06:23:00 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: You know, if the cops showed up and asked, the students would probably have gone along with being arrested.


Or they could've just issued tickets, and if the campus cops can't do that, call the Davis PD and have them write tickets.
 
2011-11-19 06:23:13 PM  

GoldSpider: How many years behind bars do you suppose a citizen who sprays a line of cops with pepper spray would be looking at?


Zero. He would be dead.
 
2011-11-19 06:23:13 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force.


When people refuse to move, guess what level of force is justified? Physically moving them. Sprays, tazers, rubber bullets, etc, should be reserved for subduing someone who is or is immintently threatening physical violence.

Wait wait wait, is that guy at 1:42 carrying a paintball gun?
 
2011-11-19 06:24:20 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.


Students should leave the quad in the middle of the day?
 
2011-11-19 06:25:58 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force.

When people refuse to move, guess what level of force is justified? Physically moving them. Sprays, tazers, rubber bullets, etc, should be reserved for subduing someone who is or is immintently threatening physical violence.

Wait wait wait, is that guy at 1:42 carrying a paintball gun?


or maybe, just maybe, just let them sit there. No, you can't setup a tent on a sidewalk, but you can sit there as long as you want.
 
2011-11-19 06:26:15 PM  
images.cheezburger.com
 
2011-11-19 06:26:24 PM  

Sabyen91: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.

Students should leave the quad in the middle of the day?


FTA: She said that UC Davis officials had warned the occupiers that they could not set up a tent city. They were given notice that they had to clear out their tents by 3 p.m. on Friday. Some complied. Others did not.

So yes, yes they should...
 
2011-11-19 06:26:54 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Wait wait wait, is that guy at 1:42 carrying a paintball gun?


Yep, with balls full of pepper spray.

Seriously.
 
2011-11-19 06:27:33 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.


Hey they gave them three minutes. How much time did they need? They should have broke out the truncheons after the first minute. Stupid peaceful protestors probably interrupted this guy's doughnut break.
 
2011-11-19 06:27:58 PM  

Mrtraveler01: originalname138: simsite9: Have fun, y'all. (new window)

California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable byimprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.

Not that he'd be likely to face justice for this anyway, but it's worth noting that their official response is that they were forced to use pepper spray because they felt threatened by the size of the crowd -- i.e., they're claiming self-defense.

Yep...the article I posted from the Chronicle mentioned that police basically used that excuse


Does California have a Castle Doctrine? If not, then you must retreat from a situation.

Secondly, I REALLY hope this doesn't fly. "I'm scared of a bunch of unarmed, non-violent students who are sitting on the ground". Please hand in your badge, cuffs and firearm. Their actions speak louder than their after the fact words.
 
2011-11-19 06:28:16 PM  

simsite9: Have fun, y'all. (new window)

California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable byimprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.


California Penal Code Section 12403.
Nothing in this chapter shall prohibit any person who is a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, from purchasing, possessing, transporting, or using any tear gas or tear gas weapon if the person has satisfactorily completed a course of instruction approved by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training in the use of tear gas.
 
2011-11-19 06:28:26 PM  

Radioactive Ass: [img402.imageshack.us image 640x470]


You found the blue marble in the oatmeal! You get to drink from the FIRE HOSE!
 
2011-11-19 06:28:36 PM  
This cop should be dead with his family mourning him.
 
2011-11-19 06:28:40 PM  

NotoriousFire: Sabyen91: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.

Students should leave the quad in the middle of the day?

FTA: She said that UC Davis officials had warned the occupiers that they could not set up a tent city. They were given notice that they had to clear out their tents by 3 p.m. on Friday. Some complied. Others did not.

So yes, yes they should...


I didn't see a tent city.
 
2011-11-19 06:28:40 PM  

pudding7: No, you can't setup a tent on a sidewalk, but you can sit there as long as you want.


I don't think you can block the sidewalk from public use (haven't researched, just conjucturing.) I will offer this anectdotal evidence: I was in a major city this week and walked past a protest of an unrelated issue. Every time someone approached the protestors (Who were circling on a street corner) someone yelled SIDEWALK and protestors immediately cleared to the side to allow the pediastrian to pass.

We they just being polite? Maybe. But I expect imeding others ability to carry on their day without undue delay or some shiat probably plays a part.
 
2011-11-19 06:28:51 PM  

shanrick: There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down


Far out, man. It's time to turn on, tune in and drop out. Groovey.

/PEACE!
 
2011-11-19 06:29:13 PM  
How long before this douche starts looking to get on a ticket with Joe the Plumber?
 
2011-11-19 06:29:45 PM  

NkThrasher: Yep, with balls full of pepper spray.


I figured that after I posted it. That's actually a sensible weapon for a situation like that, but again should not be used unless there is actual or an imminent threat of violence, IMHO. Which I know means jack shiat around here.
 
2011-11-19 06:29:58 PM  

the_innkeeper: Mrtraveler01: originalname138: simsite9: Have fun, y'all. (new window)

California Penal Code Section 12403.7 (a) (8)
(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable byimprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.

Not that he'd be likely to face justice for this anyway, but it's worth noting that their official response is that they were forced to use pepper spray because they felt threatened by the size of the crowd -- i.e., they're claiming self-defense.

Yep...the article I posted from the Chronicle mentioned that police basically used that excuse

Does California have a Castle Doctrine? If not, then you must retreat from a situation.

Secondly, I REALLY hope this doesn't fly. "I'm scared of a bunch of unarmed, non-violent students who are sitting on the ground". Please hand in your badge, cuffs and firearm. Their actions speak louder than their after the fact words.


This is a state that gave a transit cop an involuntary manslaughter charge for mistaking a taser for a gun after he shot and killed a guy.

I have no faith that anything will be done about this.
 
2011-11-19 06:30:47 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force.

When people refuse to move, guess what level of force is justified? Physically moving them. Sprays, tazers, rubber bullets, etc, should be reserved for subduing someone who is or is immintently threatening physical violence.

Wait wait wait, is that guy at 1:42 carrying a paintball gun?


You are aware that manhandling someone to get them to move...which is what you are left with without non-lethals....is more likely to result in injury than not, right?

The paintball gun is loaded with pepperballs....paintballs filled with CS powder. Aim for the chest and the puff of powder gets them right in the face.

In the end though, like anything else, there is one sides version of what happened, the other sides version of what happened, and the truth.
 
2011-11-19 06:31:49 PM  

Sabyen91: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.

Students should leave the quad in the middle of the day?


When police tell you to move, you move.

Should you elect not to, well, whatever happens after is your elective decision.

I've been around a lot of years and I've learned to do what authorities tell me to do. If all citizens decided that they could always over rule what our legal and justice system says......i'm not sure what country that woud even equate us to.
 
2011-11-19 06:32:03 PM  
shanrick [TotalFark] Add Favorite User Quote 2011-11-19 06:22:50 PM
For What It's Worth


So far we've had Nash (Chicago) Young (Ohio) and now Stills.

So I guess Crosby was too whacked out on coke to come up with a protest song back in the day that might mean something if we played it now?
 
2011-11-19 06:32:16 PM  
Mrtravelerer01
Yeah but the police in California rarely get punished for stupid decisions they make that could harm people.

See: LA, Oakland, and Bay Area Rapid Transit


Well, let's see:

L.A.:
Ramparts - 12 suspended, 7 quit, 5 fired, Chief Parks let go. $125 million in civil damages
Rodney King: All four cops went to prison

Oakland:
Riders - Three of the four arrested and put on trial. Juries found not guilty or deadlocked on all counts. The fourth is still a fugitive.

B.A.R.T. -
Grant shooting - convicted of involuntary manslaughter, sent to prison.
 
2011-11-19 06:32:53 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: I figured that after I posted it. That's actually a sensible weapon for a situation like that, but again should not be used unless there is actual or an imminent threat of violence, IMHO. Which I know means jack shiat around here.


As a former Soldier, I completely agree. Exactly the right weapon to have raised in that situation, and should not be used unless there is clear threat to life limb or eyesight.
 
2011-11-19 06:34:08 PM  

Faraii: is more likely to result in injury than not, right?


Honest question:

From what you just said, I would assume then that ANY TIME a copy affects an arrest, you're okay with him giving them a shot of pepper spray in the face just in case?

If not, and I hope not, then you need to use the Graham test. Is the use of force both reasonable and NECESSARY?

Is it reasonable to use pepper spray to gain control? Sure. Is the size of the crowd a consideration? Certainly.

Was it necessary in that situation? Where the crowd has shown no violent intent whatsoever? And the video shows other protestors being cuffed and drug away with no vilent resistance?

Absolutely not, IMHO.

If I'm on the jury, and see that video, I find for the plaintiffs.
 
2011-11-19 06:35:08 PM  

MisterRonbo: B.A.R.T. -
Grant shooting - convicted of involuntary manslaughter, sent to prison.


For two years.

I'm sorry but 2 years is a piss poor sentence for killing a guy whether it was an accident or not.
 
2011-11-19 06:35:47 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-19 06:35:48 PM  

Fart_Machine: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.

Hey they gave them three minutes. How much time did they need? They should have broke out the truncheons after the first minute. Stupid peaceful protestors probably interrupted this guy's doughnut break.


I didn't see any info on how much warning they were given, but even three minutes should have been enough for the to leave. They bunkered down and took the spray like they knew it was coming. I'm impressed by their comittment, but don't try to tell me the cops were in the wrong. Those folks wanted to get sprayed to make a statement.
 
2011-11-19 06:35:56 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!:
I've been around a lot of years and I've learned to do what authorities tell me to do. If all citizens decided that they could always over rule what our legal and justice system says......i'm not sure what country that woud even equate us to.


I was raised to look for weaknesses and exploit them. I didn't learn about morality until I was much older.
 
2011-11-19 06:36:02 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: and see that video,


Speaking of which, kudos to the cops for allowing the bystanders to video.

Makes this kind of public discussion much more meaningful when we can actually see what the fark we are debating rather than depending on adrenaline charged accounts.
 
2011-11-19 06:37:39 PM  
for such a serious issue this thread is farking hilarious
congrats on the douchebag police man becoming a meme
 
2011-11-19 06:38:23 PM  
A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.
 
2011-11-19 06:38:39 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: If I'm on the jury, and see that video, I find for the plaintiffs.


yup. And right now the chief of police and his legal council are reviewing that video and quietly talking to the union about firing that idiot in return for some consideration during the next round of contract negotiations.
 
2011-11-19 06:38:45 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: They bunkered down and took the spray like they knew it was coming. I'm impressed by their comittment, but don't try to tell me the cops were in the wrong. Those folks wanted to get sprayed to make a statement.


All the more reason for the police not to do it. It only serves undermines their position more.

Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT
 
2011-11-19 06:38:48 PM  

Mrtraveler01: This is a state that gave a transit cop an involuntary manslaughter charge for mistaking a taser for a gun after he shot and killed a guy.


That's one of those cases where you can see how cops can be held to a lower standard than everyone else. The second the incident happened and he said he was going for his tazer but screwed up he should've been off the force so fast he'd fly out of his uniform. And as for the charge, second degree murder would work.
 
2011-11-19 06:39:31 PM  

LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.


I'm sure the cop was in on it amirite?
 
2011-11-19 06:39:35 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: You know, if the cops showed up and asked, the students would probably have gone along with being arrested.


No, the students wouldn't have left. It's called civil disobedience. You go, pick them up, and then arrest them. You don't attack them.
 
2011-11-19 06:40:21 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-19 06:40:48 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!:
Speaking of which, kudos to the cops for allowing the bystanders to video..


it's in a public place - the cops can't simply start seizing cameras at will. for one thing, that would be illegal. for another, they'd never get ALL the recording devices. someone would hide a smartphone and upload a video to youtube and that'd be all she wrote.
 
2011-11-19 06:42:07 PM  

NkThrasher: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Wait wait wait, is that guy at 1:42 carrying a paintball gun?

Yep, with balls full of pepper spray.

Seriously.


At first I thought "Less than lethal rounds"? Paint balls full of capsaicin pepper? Less than leathal? Shouldn't that be non-lethal? Then I did a little reading on... woah... it turns out pepper spray can be lethal. And now I know.
 
2011-11-19 06:42:36 PM  
One day, protestors will think far enough ahead to don gas masks when they get out the pepper spray.

/c'mon guys, they aren't that expensive.
 
2011-11-19 06:43:25 PM  
I just love how nonchalant he is. Even in the video, he just walks back and forth like he's spraying weeds.
 
2011-11-19 06:43:45 PM  

Fart_Machine: LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.

I'm sure the cop was in on it amirite?


He was likely wise the game, but I doubt he was "in on it."
 
2011-11-19 06:43:46 PM  

Weaver95: it's in a public place - the cops can't simply start seizing cameras at will.


I agree, but haven't there been a number of stories on this very site about cops ordering buystanders to stop taping? And then seizing the recording devise and arresting them for obstructing or interfering or some shiat?
 
2011-11-19 06:44:19 PM  

LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.


so you're saying that the cops are idiots? I mean if this was planned and the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted to have happen, then that means the protesters are waaaaaay smarter than the cops. the sheer smarts and discipline needed to pull off something like this....

wow!
 
2011-11-19 06:44:19 PM  

NkThrasher: IamKaiserSoze!!!: They bunkered down and took the spray like they knew it was coming. I'm impressed by their comittment, but don't try to tell me the cops were in the wrong. Those folks wanted to get sprayed to make a statement.

All the more reason for the police not to do it. It only serves undermines their position more.

Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT


OK, so the cops were given orders to move the protestors....how should it have happened? A bulldozed, rubber bullets, warter cannon, or what? These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

/well, that's my humble opinion

//they will love tellin their pepper spray story the rest of their lives
 
2011-11-19 06:44:20 PM  
Lack of patience is not due cause to use any weapon.

I do not buy you weapons for your job to have them used solely because you are impatient.

I am paying you by the hour. You're on overtime. Chill.
 
2011-11-19 06:45:10 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: One day, protestors will think far enough ahead to don gas masks when they get out the pepper spray.

/c'mon guys, they aren't that expensive.


They're considered probable cause.
 
2011-11-19 06:46:25 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: One day, protestors will think far enough ahead to don gas masks when they get out the pepper spray.

/c'mon guys, they aren't that expensive.


I don't think they were expecting to get a face full of pepperspray for sitting. Just like i'm pretty sure that 80 year old woman didn't expect to get a face full either. For months these have been peaceful protests, it only turned 'violent' because of the cops.
 
2011-11-19 06:46:25 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Weaver95: it's in a public place - the cops can't simply start seizing cameras at will.

I agree, but haven't there been a number of stories on this very site about cops ordering buystanders to stop taping? And then seizing the recording devise and arresting them for obstructing or interfering or some shiat?


I think it's been tried...but again, the sheer number of ways someone can quietly record the cops make it impossible to stop the public from recording what the cops are doing and instantly upload the raw footage to the web.

technology vs the law...and the law gets its ass kicked every time.
 
2011-11-19 06:46:37 PM  

Ghastly: NkThrasher: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Wait wait wait, is that guy at 1:42 carrying a paintball gun?

Yep, with balls full of pepper spray.

Seriously.

At first I thought "Less than lethal rounds"? Paint balls full of capsaicin pepper? Less than leathal? Shouldn't that be non-lethal? Then I did a little reading on... woah... it turns out pepper spray can be lethal. And now I know.


Arrrrg... less lethal... I meant to type less lethal. I'm an idiot.
 
2011-11-19 06:46:54 PM  

moralpanic: You go, pick them up, and then arrest them. Y


Or do what the Chicago cops did the other day, give them tickets.
 
2011-11-19 06:46:56 PM  
At the very most this asshole officer will be put on paid leave while internal affairs investigates. He might get a note in his personnel file, perhaps a verbal or written reprimand, but he'll still have his job when it's all over.
 
2011-11-19 06:47:20 PM  

Weaver95: LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.

so you're saying that the cops are idiots? I mean if this was planned and the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted to have happen, then that means the protesters are waaaaaay smarter than the cops. the sheer smarts and discipline needed to pull off something like this....

wow!


Yeah, I think that's a fair assumption. Does pepper spray man look like a particularly educated individual to you?
 
2011-11-19 06:47:20 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: One day, protestors will think far enough ahead to don gas masks when they get out the pepper spray.

/c'mon guys, they aren't that expensive.


They knew exacly that they were doing. Masks would have made it transparent that they intended to provoke this reaction and made them look less like innocent victims.
 
2011-11-19 06:47:55 PM  

moralpanic: I just love how nonchalant he is. Even in the video, he just walks back and forth like he's spraying weeds.


its called 'sociopathy'.
 
2011-11-19 06:47:56 PM  

Weaver95: LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.

so you're saying that the cops are idiots? I mean if this was planned and the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted to have happen, then that means the protesters are waaaaaay smarter than the cops. the sheer smarts and discipline needed to pull off something like this....

wow!


No. Please do not try to put words in my mouh.
 
2011-11-19 06:48:07 PM  

WhyteRaven74: moralpanic: You go, pick them up, and then arrest them. Y

Or do what the Chicago cops did the other day, give them tickets.


Did they really? If so, those are probably going to be badges of honor soon.
 
2011-11-19 06:48:21 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: At the very most this asshole officer will be put on paid leave while internal affairs investigates. He might get a note in his personnel file, perhaps a verbal or written reprimand, but he'll still have his job when it's all over.


Thank god for unions.

/ducks
 
2011-11-19 06:48:39 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: They're considered probable cause.


How so? Couldn't they just be an eccentric fashion statement? Genuinely curious.
 
2011-11-19 06:50:08 PM  

moralpanic: Did they really?


Yep. Protesters blocked up the LaSalle Street bridge, cops showed up, and not even a huge number and all in their regular uniforms and started writing tickets. That's it. No threats of arrest, no shoving people around. They wrote tickets, people milled about a bit and then moved on.
 
2011-11-19 06:50:27 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.


Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.
 
2011-11-19 06:50:51 PM  
holy crap. http://anoncentral.tumblr.com/post/13023795840/d0x-uc-davis-pepper-spr aying-officer-lt-john-pike

i1091.photobucket.com

Lieutenant John Pike

...

2010 PAY

Base pay: $116,454.00, Overtime: $0.00, Other:$0.00
Total pay: $110,243.12
 
2011-11-19 06:51:24 PM  

Kirkenhegelstein: Lenny_da_Hog: They're considered probable cause.

How so? Couldn't they just be an eccentric fashion statement? Genuinely curious.


Yes.

And they may also be an indicator of a pending airborne threat. This is the argument that the police will give when they use it as an excuse to stop and hold you.
 
2011-11-19 06:52:00 PM  

GoldSpider: How many years behind bars do you suppose a citizen who sprays a line of cops with pepper spray would be looking at?


None, we don't jail people killed by the police.
 
2011-11-19 06:53:15 PM  

zusya: holy crap. http://anoncentral.tumblr.com/post/13023795840/d0x-uc-davis-pepper-spr aying-officer-lt-john-pike

[i1091.photobucket.com image 216x295]

Lieutenant John Pike

...

2010 PAY

Base pay: $116,454.00, Overtime: $0.00, Other:$0.00
Total pay: $110,243.12


That's a nice salary.
 
2011-11-19 06:54:04 PM  

LargeCanine: Weaver95: LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.

so you're saying that the cops are idiots? I mean if this was planned and the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted to have happen, then that means the protesters are waaaaaay smarter than the cops. the sheer smarts and discipline needed to pull off something like this....

wow!

No. Please do not try to put words in my mouh.


that's what you said tho - you specifically said that this was staged by the protesters. that means the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted them to do...which rather implies some very sad things about the level of intelligence among the cops in question.

your comments implied that you believe the protesters are some very well disciplined and very smart people.
 
2011-11-19 06:55:33 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.


The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.

I assume you would guess they just walked up and started spraying......I doubt that was the case.
 
2011-11-19 06:55:37 PM  

BroVinny: zusya: holy crap. http://anoncentral.tumblr.com/post/13023795840/d0x-uc-davis-pepper-spr aying-officer-lt-john-pike

[i1091.photobucket.com image 216x295]

Lieutenant John Pike

...

2010 PAY

Base pay: $116,454.00, Overtime: $0.00, Other:$0.00
Total pay: $110,243.12

That's a nice salary.


that's good - it means he can afford to pay out all the damages the jury is going to award to his victims.
 
2011-11-19 06:57:23 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: One day, protestors will think far enough ahead to don gas masks when they get out the pepper spray.

/c'mon guys, they aren't that expensive.


In 1999, when protesters at the Battle of Seattle started wearing gas masks, the city responded by making the sale, purchase, and possession of gas masks illegal. I suspect the same thing would happen now.
 
2011-11-19 06:57:30 PM  
www.underconsideration.com
 
2011-11-19 07:00:22 PM  

Weaver95: that's good - it means he can afford to pay out all the damages the jury is going to award to his victims.


I'm dubious anything will come of that. Time will tell.

But the Revolution gets more publicity. That's what's important.
 
2011-11-19 07:01:31 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: One day, protestors will think far enough ahead to don gas masks when they get out the pepper spray.

/c'mon guys, they aren't that expensive.


During the 1999 WTO protests in Seattle, an emergency ordinance was passed prohibiting the possession or use of gas masks. They were confiscated off the shelves of the army surplus stores.
 
2011-11-19 07:02:42 PM  

NkThrasher: Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT


Headwaters case is completely different. That case was where police put tear gas in eyes using Q-tips. The arretees were already under arrest and in complete control of police,

In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.
 
2011-11-19 07:03:07 PM  

Weaver95: LargeCanine: Weaver95: LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.

so you're saying that the cops are idiots? I mean if this was planned and the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted to have happen, then that means the protesters are waaaaaay smarter than the cops. the sheer smarts and discipline needed to pull off something like this....

wow!

No. Please do not try to put words in my mouh.

that's what you said tho - you specifically said that this was staged by the protesters. that means the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted them to do...which rather implies some very sad things about the level of intelligence among the cops in question.

your comments implied that you believe the protesters are some very well disciplined and very smart people.


To be fair, banking on over-reaction IS a part of the strategy here. The cops are playing into that. Less well oiled machine, than the general strategy of non-violent protests.

What is shocking, is that the cops, when faced with over 30 years of non-violent protests, fall for the over-reaction so damn fast. And I suspect that is what the Big Dog was trying to point out.
 
2011-11-19 07:03:54 PM  

SkinnyHead: In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.


Bullsh*t.
 
2011-11-19 07:04:30 PM  
Oh. Wait. It's just Skinnyhead.

Never mind.
 
2011-11-19 07:04:54 PM  

SkinnyHead: the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police


You really are a cowardly grabasstic piece of shiat.
 
2011-11-19 07:05:45 PM  
Anonymous has all his info. Enjoy paying for all those pizzas you ordered, Lieutenant Pike.
 
2011-11-19 07:06:45 PM  

SkinnyHead: In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.


You realize that in the end, they're just going to strap a rat cage to your head, don't you?
 
2011-11-19 07:06:47 PM  
It's gonna get interesting when one of these "occupiers" decides to spray some cops with a 30-round magazine of AK fire.

/Inevitable if this keeps up.
 
2011-11-19 07:06:51 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.


Watch the rest. You see other, non-sprayed protestors in the background being plasti-cuffed and drug away.

And as to the "it looks like they just walked up and started spraying but probably didn't" in order for it be justifiable you would have to assume that the SECOND before the video starts rolling the protestor had been in a violent frother fury, and then all the sudden sat down and acted nice for the cameras.

Occam says: Unlikely.
 
2011-11-19 07:06:56 PM  

JesusJuice: This cop should be dead with his family mourning him.


If you think a person (anybody) should be dead for pepper spraying people, than you are just as over reactionary as this cop who peppers prays people for not following simple directions.
 
2011-11-19 07:07:02 PM  

MorrisBird: Anonymous has all his info. Enjoy paying for all those pizzas you ordered, Lieutenant Pike.


Sh*t, Anon is probably one of the delivery drivers...
 
2011-11-19 07:08:38 PM  
What a bunch of worthless excuses for human beings those cops are.
 
2011-11-19 07:10:19 PM  

xalres: What a bunch of worthless excuses for human beings those cops are.


They're useful idiots in that their overreactions keep people talking about the Occupy movement, and that's a good thing.
 
2011-11-19 07:10:46 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Fart_Machine: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.

Hey they gave them three minutes. How much time did they need? They should have broke out the truncheons after the first minute. Stupid peaceful protestors probably interrupted this guy's doughnut break.

I didn't see any info on how much warning they were given, but even three minutes should have been enough for the to leave. They bunkered down and took the spray like they knew it was coming. I'm impressed by their comittment, but don't try to tell me the cops were in the wrong. Those folks wanted to get sprayed to make a statement.


She was asking to be raped!
 
2011-11-19 07:10:47 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.

The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.

I assume you would guess they just walked up and started spraying......I doubt that was the case.


So you imagine a bunch of students acting like a mob until moments before the camera started rolling? They couldn't have just been sitting there the whole time?
 
2011-11-19 07:11:39 PM  

whidbey: shanrick [TotalFark] Add Favorite User Quote 2011-11-19 06:22:50 PM
For What It's Worth

So far we've had Nash (Chicago) Young (Ohio) and now Stills.

So I guess Crosby was too whacked out on coke to come up with a protest song back in the day that might mean something if we played it now?


He was the weakest link. Worthless no-talent hanger-on, even.
 
2011-11-19 07:12:05 PM  

Fido McCokefiend: Strutting Leo


As outraged as I am about this whole incident, that one almost made me shart I was laughing so hard.
 
2011-11-19 07:12:40 PM  
This is not going to end well.

If that cop is smart (an oxymoron) he'll be moving out of his house tomorrow morning and requesting a transfer to another planet.
 
2011-11-19 07:12:48 PM  
As expected, these thugs are claiming they were surrounded by protesters, so they had to spray. From the link up higher: "UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza told the Sacramento Bee (http://bit.ly/sKoP5T) that police used the pepper spray after they were surrounded. Protesters were warned repeatedly beforehand that force would be used if they didn't move, she said.

"There was no way out of that circle," Spicuzza said. "They were cutting the officers off from their support. It's a very volatile situation."
 
2011-11-19 07:14:22 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: NkThrasher: IamKaiserSoze!!!: They bunkered down and took the spray like they knew it was coming. I'm impressed by their comittment, but don't try to tell me the cops were in the wrong. Those folks wanted to get sprayed to make a statement.

All the more reason for the police not to do it. It only serves undermines their position more.

Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT

OK, so the cops were given orders to move the protestors....how should it have happened? A bulldozed, rubber bullets, warter cannon, or what? These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

/well, that's my humble opinion

//they will love tellin their pepper spray story the rest of their lives


And now we will never know because the Police officer broke the law and assaulted a group of people for no good reason. Shame isn't it?
 
2011-11-19 07:15:23 PM  

oukewldave: "There was no way out of that circle," Spicuzza said. "They were cutting the officers off from their support. It's a very volatile situation."


So they sprayed the guys sitting quietly in the middle of the circle, rather than the ones who were actually blocking their ability to retreat to safety?

Makes perfect sense.
 
2011-11-19 07:16:26 PM  

oukewldave: As expected, these thugs are claiming they were surrounded by protesters, so they had to spray. From the link up higher: "UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza told the Sacramento Bee (http://bit.ly/sKoP5T) that police used the pepper spray after they were surrounded. Protesters were warned repeatedly beforehand that force would be used if they didn't move, she said.

"There was no way out of that circle," Spicuzza said. "They were cutting the officers off from their support. It's a very volatile situation."


Those poor poor armed and armored cops. Frightened of being cut off from their donut supply by hordes of UC Davis students.

UC Davis is filled with *nerds*. WTF, these cops are enormous pussies.

Speaking of Davis cops, does anybody know of the infamous Davis midget cop was involved?
 
2011-11-19 07:16:26 PM  
The truly amazing thing about that video is the last 4 minutes or so. The students drove the cops off with nothing more than resolve and chants. They remained perfectly peaceful no one went so far as to throw evena wadded up peace of paper at the officers, they just chanted and won.
 
2011-11-19 07:16:30 PM  

BroVinny: But the Revolution gets more publicity. That's what's important.


Inconveniencing people using homeless camps wasn't exactly winning friends and influencing people.

Taking a beat-down for the cause will work a lot better than drum circles.
 
2011-11-19 07:16:32 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, so the cops were given orders to move the protestors....how should it have happened? A bulldozed, rubber bullets, warter cannon, or what? These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

/well, that's my humble opinion

//they will love tellin their pepper spray story the rest of their lives


Bring a van in, pick them up, handcuff them, drive them out. There is no need to use chemical agents to accomplish this. If they start actually threatening harm during this process, then you pepper spray them.

SkinnyHead: Headwaters case is completely different. That case was where police put tear gas in eyes using Q-tips. The arretees were already under arrest and in complete control of police,

In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.


I realize that quoting you is a violation of the cardinal rules of Fark, but you make at least somewhat of a valid point so I'll brave the "whhyyy quote skinyhead" to say that you didn't read far enough into the decision. Keep going and you'll find the part that applies.
 
2011-11-19 07:17:19 PM  

hubiestubert: Weaver95: LargeCanine: Weaver95: LargeCanine: A practiced and well staged piece of street theater by the Occupiers.

so you're saying that the cops are idiots? I mean if this was planned and the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted to have happen, then that means the protesters are waaaaaay smarter than the cops. the sheer smarts and discipline needed to pull off something like this....

wow!

No. Please do not try to put words in my mouh.

that's what you said tho - you specifically said that this was staged by the protesters. that means the cops did exactly what the protesters wanted them to do...which rather implies some very sad things about the level of intelligence among the cops in question.

your comments implied that you believe the protesters are some very well disciplined and very smart people.

To be fair, banking on over-reaction IS a part of the strategy here. The cops are playing into that. Less well oiled machine, than the general strategy of non-violent protests.

What is shocking, is that the cops, when faced with over 30 years of non-violent protests, fall for the over-reaction so damn fast. And I suspect that is what the Big Dog was trying to point out.


Hook, line and sinker. I don't doubt for a second that if the list of police acts of violence had not happened, Occupy would not have the traction it does. Look at Occupy Los Angeles. Other than the small deal at the BofA thing a couple days ago, which my understanding was that this splinter group wasn't "sanctioned" by the GA. The LA Occupation has gotten little attention other than that it has been tolerated by the cops, city council etc. Without the head crackin there isn't much sizzle to this story as far as the media is concerned.

I think the appropriate term for the police here is "useful idiots"...
 
2011-11-19 07:18:10 PM  

Rozotorical:
OK, so the cops were given orders to move the protestors....


This right here is the problem.
 
2011-11-19 07:18:45 PM  
If you can't have a political demonstration and practice your constitutional right of free speech on a college campus without getting pepper sprayed in the farking face, then where is left in America can you do it? These kids are paying thousands of dollars every year to this college, and they can't even use the campus without being pepper sprayed?

The idea that they needed the pepper spray because they were surrounded is retarded if the people you pepper spray are just some kids calmly sitting on the ground in front of you.
 
2011-11-19 07:19:43 PM  

IoSaturnalia: BroVinny: But the Revolution gets more publicity. That's what's important.

Inconveniencing people using homeless camps wasn't exactly winning friends and influencing people.

Taking a beat-down for the cause will work a lot better than drum circles.


But you need the drum circles and the chanting to summon up the beatdown.
 
2011-11-19 07:19:43 PM  
weknowmemes.com
 
2011-11-19 07:20:12 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.

The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.

I assume you would guess they just walked up and started spraying......I doubt that was the case.

So you imagine a bunch of students acting like a mob until moments before the camera started rolling? They couldn't have just been sitting there the whole time?


Nope, I imagine that there was a lot of backstory that either was edited out of not captured. As much as you may hate or distrust cops, they have very structured protocals they have to follow and aren't given the option of simply pepper spraying or billyclubbing as much as many of our farklefts would like to say they do. They risk their careers/pensions/etc by acting outside what is allowed.

I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.
 
2011-11-19 07:20:21 PM  
Oops, sorry Rozotorical, I misattributed that quote.
 
2011-11-19 07:20:54 PM  

organizm: [weknowmemes.com image 500x312]


Is that a Pride Parade? That's one jolly-as-f*ck cop.
 
2011-11-19 07:21:05 PM  
Ya know ... I still see when Skinnyhead posts shiat. Why do I do that? His GED in LAW doesn't do anything other than derail a conversation.
 
2011-11-19 07:21:32 PM  
Why would somebody do such a thing? Because he has been trained to follow orders.
 
2011-11-19 07:21:42 PM  

SkinnyHead: NkThrasher: Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT

Headwaters case is completely different. That case was where police put tear gas in eyes using Q-tips. The arretees were already under arrest and in complete control of police,

In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.


Wow. If you think a bunch of college kids (a "radical protest group"?? You never went to college, did you?) sitting on a sidewalk and protesting (as college students have been doing for generations, in case you haven't noticed) presents a "dangerous situation," the world must be a truly terrifying place for you. Tell us more of these horrors you so bravely navigate every day.
 
2011-11-19 07:22:13 PM  

ivan: Rozotorical:
OK, so the cops were given orders to move the protestors....

This right here is the problem.


?
 
2011-11-19 07:22:18 PM  

MorrisBird: Anonymous has all his info. Enjoy paying for all those pizzas you ordered, Lieutenant Pike.


Maybe the 20th pizza delivery guy pepper sprays this cop while wearing a Guy Fawkes mask?

The image of the deliveryman looking up from the stack of pizzas and hitting the fascist bastard in the mouth right between the "What the" and the "fark? tickles me greatly.
 
2011-11-19 07:22:19 PM  

ivan: Rozotorical:
OK, so the cops were given orders to move the protestors....

This right here is the problem.


B-b-but PERMITS!

ivan: whidbey: shanrick [TotalFark] Add Favorite User Quote 2011-11-19 06:22:50 PM
For What It's Worth

So far we've had Nash (Chicago) Young (Ohio) and now Stills.

So I guess Crosby was too whacked out on coke to come up with a protest song back in the day that might mean something if we played it now?

He was the weakest link. Worthless no-talent hanger-on, even.


Dude bite your tongue. He was in the freaking BYRDS. That's like insulting Keith Richards.

/well, not really
 
2011-11-19 07:22:38 PM  
k.wigflip.com
 
2011-11-19 07:23:01 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.


How about this, there is absolutely zero justification for using pepper spray against peaceful people ever, period.
 
2011-11-19 07:23:26 PM  

IoSaturnalia: BroVinny: But the Revolution gets more publicity. That's what's important.

Inconveniencing people using homeless camps wasn't exactly winning friends and influencing people.

Taking a beat-down for the cause will work a lot better than drum circles.


The ultimate PR coup for OWS will be when one of their own dies at the hands of police. It's just a matter of time. My guess is that one of these normally non-lethal attacks will get out of hand (maybe someone with a capsaicin allergy will get sprayed), and then the hearts and minds of mainstream America will awaken to the cause.

Viva la revolucion!
 
2011-11-19 07:23:28 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: The My Little Pony Killer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.

The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.

I assume you would guess they just walked up and started spraying......I doubt that was the case.

So you imagine a bunch of students acting like a mob until moments before the camera started rolling? They couldn't have just been sitting there the whole time?

Nope, I imagine that there was a lot of backstory that either was edited out of not captured. As much as you may hate or distrust cops, they have very structured protocals they have to follow and aren't given the option of simply pepper spraying or billyclubbing as much as many of our farklefts would like to say they do. They risk their careers/pensions/etc by acting outside what is allowed.

I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.


You sure about that? How much would you like to wager on that?
 
2011-11-19 07:25:30 PM  

WhyteRaven74: IamKaiserSoze!!!: I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.

How about this, there is absolutely zero justification for using pepper spray against peaceful people ever, period.


What if it was a very bland group of people?
 
2011-11-19 07:26:16 PM  
heh.

'lawsuit in a can' gets my vote for best comment picture so far.
 
2011-11-19 07:26:46 PM  
Most of my comments on this forum are critical of the Occupy movement. That said, this is a blatant act of police brutality and this officer needs to lose his job. Arrest them if need be. However, if they are not threatening you with violence you have no right to use weapons, even non lethal weapons, on peaceful protesters.
 
2011-11-19 07:28:58 PM  

Rozotorical: What if it was a very bland group of people?


You magnificent bastard.
 
2011-11-19 07:29:17 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: The My Little Pony Killer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.

The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.

I assume you would guess they just walked up and started spraying......I doubt that was the case.

So you imagine a bunch of students acting like a mob until moments before the camera started rolling? They couldn't have just been sitting there the whole time?

Nope, I imagine that there was a lot of backstory that either was edited out of not captured. As much as you may hate or distrust cops, they have very structured protocals they have to follow and aren't given the option of simply pepper spraying or billyclubbing as much as many of our farklefts would like to say they do. They risk their careers/pensions/etc by acting outside what is allowed.

I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.


At least they aren't heavily edited like where I'm sure you get your news from.
 
2011-11-19 07:31:37 PM  
One cannot help but wonder whether Lieutenant Pike likes anchovies?
 
SU
2011-11-19 07:32:16 PM  
And here's some for you, and you, and you...
 
2011-11-19 07:33:58 PM  

originalname138: Not that he'd be likely to face justice for this anyway, but it's worth noting that their official response is that they were forced to use pepper spray because they felt threatened by the size of the crowd -- i.e., they're claiming self-defense.


Because the obvious thing to do when feeling threatened by a crowd of standing spectators is to pepper spray the people sitting passively on the ground.
 
2011-11-19 07:34:01 PM  

WhyteRaven74: IamKaiserSoze!!!: I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.

How about this, there is absolutely zero justification for using pepper spray against peaceful people ever, period.


So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.

If they sit on the ambulance entry to a hospital, people die, but that's their right.

Good luck with your logic. I don't care how peaceful people are, when they break a law they are a criminal, no matter how much they may justify it by what they believe to be the high moral ground.

I'm guessing those folks were given plenty of options to leave and forced the issue. They are not innocent victims.
 
2011-11-19 07:34:06 PM  
It looks like a photo shoot. Staged propaganda.
 
2011-11-19 07:35:05 PM  

Weaver95: heh.

'lawsuit in a can' gets my vote for best comment picture so far.


Thanks. I should have enabled the voting option.
 
2011-11-19 07:35:06 PM  

organizm: [weknowmemes.com image 500x312]

weknowmemes.com


meanwhile, when people actually protest in canada...
www.sott.net

http://www.thestar.com/news/torontog20summit/article/887750--toronto -h earings-put-spotlight-on-g20-policing (new window)
 
2011-11-19 07:35:11 PM  

badhatharry: It looks like a photo shoot. Staged propaganda.


and yet...it wasn't.

amazing, isn't it?
 
2011-11-19 07:36:20 PM  

organizm: [weknowmemes.com image 500x312]


Umm yeah, not exactly. Aside from that being a pride parade photo, response has varied across Canada as it has across the US. A lot of the camps have already been shut down (albeit peacefully), with a couple more court decisions due to come in on Monday.

Occupy Edmonton is in a situation similar to New York, where the camp is on a privately owned public access park. The owners did previously (a couple weeks ago) put out an eviction notice, but then decided not to enforce it. The police said it's up to the owners. About half an hour ago the owners gave an eviction deadline of 11pm tomorrow night, citing liability and health and safety concerns. It's not really surprising, since it's currently -20C and I'm sure they don't want to be held liable if someone freezes to death.

In the spirit of the "friendly Canucks" stereotype, I will mention that on the Nov 17 Day of Action, unlike most US cities Occupy Edmonton didn't have a traffic-snarling march, they held a community appreciation BBQ.
 
2011-11-19 07:36:39 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: The My Little Pony Killer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.

The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.

I assume you would guess they just walked up and started spraying......I doubt that was the case.

So you imagine a bunch of students acting like a mob until moments before the camera started rolling? They couldn't have just been sitting there the whole time?

Nope, I imagine that there was a lot of backstory that either was edited out of not captured. As much as you may hate or distrust cops, they have very structured protocals they have to follow and aren't given the option of simply pepper spraying or billyclubbing as much as many of our farklefts would like to say they do. They risk their careers/pensions/etc by acting outside what is allowed.

I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.

At least they aren't heavily edited like where I'm sure you get your news from.


The only news I watch is Morning Joe in the am. You think they slant this in a conservative manner?

Jeezuz, don't be such an asswipe.
 
2011-11-19 07:36:51 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.


Because you have NO OPTION to move them other than spraying a caustic chemical, which may cause a deadly allergic reaction in their face.

Keep farking that chicken.
 
2011-11-19 07:37:36 PM  

MorrisBird: Anonymous has all his info. Enjoy paying for all those pizzas you ordered, Lieutenant Pike.


I can't condone this, but... I can chuckle at it.
 
2011-11-19 07:37:38 PM  
I love that there are still a couple people that defend authoritarian cops in these threads.

I always wonder what weird fascist country you guys are ok with living in when you see this and side with the cops...
 
2011-11-19 07:37:44 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.


Your driveway or a hospital entrance is not the same as a college campus.

when they break a law they are a criminal,

So then anything the cops do is justified?
 
2011-11-19 07:38:09 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: I'm guessing those folks were given plenty of options to leave and forced the issue. They are not innocent victims.


Yes, they are. They could be arrested for trespassing. That would have been a perfectly legitimate action. Attacking them with a weapon is not. Lt. Pike needs to lose his damn job.
 
2011-11-19 07:39:02 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: WhyteRaven74: IamKaiserSoze!!!: I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.

How about this, there is absolutely zero justification for using pepper spray against peaceful people ever, period.

So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.

If they sit on the ambulance entry to a hospital, people die, but that's their right.

Good luck with your logic. I don't care how peaceful people are, when they break a law they are a criminal, no matter how much they may justify it by what they believe to be the high moral ground.

I'm guessing those folks were given plenty of options to leave and forced the issue. They are not innocent victims.

Focus Man!
So where were they sitting again?
 
2011-11-19 07:39:03 PM  

WhyteRaven74: IamKaiserSoze!!!: So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.

Your driveway or a hospital entrance is not the same as a college campus.



Well, you can't have an argument without a strawman.
 
2011-11-19 07:39:48 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.

Because you have NO OPTION to move them other than spraying a caustic chemical, which may cause a deadly allergic reaction in their face.

Keep farking that chicken.


As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.
 
2011-11-19 07:40:27 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Good luck with your logic. I don't care how peaceful people are, when they break a law they are a criminal, no matter how much they may justify it by what they believe to be the high moral ground..


so the next time you get pulled over for speeding, you're ok if the cop rapes your daughter? i mean hey, you were speeding right? according to your logic, anything the cops do to you is totally cool because hey...you were breaking the law!
 
2011-11-19 07:41:26 PM  

Weaver95: badhatharry: It looks like a photo shoot. Staged propaganda.

and yet...it wasn't.

amazing, isn't it?


I'm waiting for some pinhead at Fox to spin it that the brave officer took the time to spritz down the over heated protestors with Orangina...
 
2011-11-19 07:42:00 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.


no, it's clear that the cop(s) were the f*ck up in this situation. why you are trying to spin this is beyond me.
 
2011-11-19 07:42:44 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manne


I believe! Link (new window)
 
2011-11-19 07:43:23 PM  
non story, overzealous can of pepper spray.
 
2011-11-19 07:43:34 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.

Because you have NO OPTION to move them other than spraying a caustic chemical, which may cause a deadly allergic reaction in their face.

Keep farking that chicken.

As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.


You're right, we have no way of verifying that the seated protesters weren't just taking a regularly scheduled break from their violent rioting.

Logic, how the fark does it work?
 
2011-11-19 07:43:36 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: o leave in a peaceful manner.


They chose to keep sitting in a peaceful manner. Also were the cops in riot gear? You have people sitting around peacefully, why wear riot gear? Why not just pull out the ticket book and hand out a bunch of tickets and be on your way?
 
2011-11-19 07:44:25 PM  

Weaver95: IamKaiserSoze!!!: As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.

no, it's clear that the cop(s) were the f*ck up in this situation. why you are trying to spin this is beyond me.


Because permits. Hippies. Because the Tea Party.

Did I already mention "hippies?"
 
2011-11-19 07:44:28 PM  
Hope that pig gets a Bhut Jolokia in the Bhut...
 
2011-11-19 07:45:10 PM  

WhyteRaven74: IamKaiserSoze!!!: So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my Antedeus: IamKaiserSoze!!!: I'm guessing those folks were given plenty of options to leave and forced the issue. They are not innocent victims.

Yes, they are. They could be arrested for trespassing. That would have been a perfectly legitimate action. Attacking them with a weapon is not. Lt. Pike needs to lose his damn job.

driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.

Your driveway or a hospital entrance is not the same as a college campus.

when they break a law they are a criminal,

So then anything the cops do is justified?


I would wager a couple weeks earnings that the cops were following protocal after attempting to get the protestors to comply with their orders. You may not like the law, but it is what it is.......these folks knew what was coming. These cops had an assload at risk if they did anything outside protocal and they all know everything they do is captured on video.

Now, I'm signing off because the original True Grit is on and I can't allow anything to disturb me.

/there are shades of gray
 
2011-11-19 07:45:23 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.


Lack of police patience is not cause for a physical attack.

It's that simple.
 
2011-11-19 07:45:23 PM  

whidbey: Weaver95: IamKaiserSoze!!!: As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.

no, it's clear that the cop(s) were the f*ck up in this situation. why you are trying to spin this is beyond me.

Because permits. Hippies. Because the Tea Party.

Did I already mention "hippies?"


Shut up you Lib Judge!
 
2011-11-19 07:46:12 PM  

whidbey: Weaver95: IamKaiserSoze!!!: As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.

no, it's clear that the cop(s) were the f*ck up in this situation. why you are trying to spin this is beyond me.

Because permits. Hippies. Because the Tea Party.

Did I already mention "hippies?"


I do so love the permits meme of late

/Thought these farkers were strict constitutionalists?
//oh right, the fantasy one only that only looks out for rich white people...
 
2011-11-19 07:46:18 PM  
Guys, we're losing focus here. The focus should be about economic injustice, not about the protesters' suffering. If we make it about the suffering, then those who suffered will have done so in vain.
 
2011-11-19 07:46:31 PM  
TFA: The pepper spray was used because they needed to get out of there

That's not how "self defense" works, you jackass. Police don't get to use chemical weapons to force compliance; if somebody disobeys what the officer believes is a lawful order, then that person can be arrested and the court decides his/her punishment. Cops are not there to pass judgement or carry out punishment. That the establishment is backing this heinous act is completely unacceptable.

Word to the wise: you can only beat, shock, burn, and otherwise traumatize peaceful protesters for so long before they become unpeaceful protesters. If we're not exceptionally careful, this situation could end up with a lot of people taking dirt naps.
 
2011-11-19 07:46:57 PM  
You mess with the BULL, you gonna get the horns! The protestors made a conscientious choice to get pepper sprayed. They hankered for it, they yearned for it, they wanted it. They achieved their goal and their 15 minutes of fame. They had a choice to not get pepper sprayed, but they chose to partake of the goodness. So be it.
 
2011-11-19 07:47:38 PM  

Weaver95: why you are trying to spin this is beyond me.


Nearly 200 posts in, I think I'm willing to give this one....

www.fantasticshakers.com
 
2011-11-19 07:47:54 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: WhyteRaven74: IamKaiserSoze!!!: So if a bunch of peaceful people decide to sit on my Antedeus: IamKaiserSoze!!!: I'm guessing those folks were given plenty of options to leave and forced the issue. They are not innocent victims.

Yes, they are. They could be arrested for trespassing. That would have been a perfectly legitimate action. Attacking them with a weapon is not. Lt. Pike needs to lose his damn job.

driveway, keeping me from going to work, I'm screwed.

Your driveway or a hospital entrance is not the same as a college campus.

when they break a law they are a criminal,

So then anything the cops do is justified?

I would wager a couple weeks earnings that the cops were following protocal after attempting to get the protestors to comply with their orders. You may not like the law, but it is what it is.......these folks knew what was coming. These cops had an assload at risk if they did anything outside protocal and they all know everything they do is captured on video.

Now, I'm signing off because the original True Grit is on and I can't allow anything to disturb me.

/there are shades of gray


They were only following orders protocol.
 
2011-11-19 07:48:50 PM  

NkThrasher: SkinnyHead: Headwaters case is completely different. That case was where police put tear gas in eyes using Q-tips. The arretees were already under arrest and in complete control of police,

In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.

I realize that quoting you is a violation of the cardinal rules of Fark, but you make at least somewhat of a valid point so I'll brave the "whhyyy quote skinyhead" to say that you didn't read far enough into the decision. Keep going and you'll find the part that applies.


I admire your bravery. I read the decision. It might be helpful if you were to quote the portion of the decision that you think is most significant.
 
2011-11-19 07:49:03 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!:
I would wager a couple weeks earnings that the cops were following protocal after attempting to get the protestors to comply with their orders. You may not like the law, but it is what it is.......these folks knew what was coming. These cops had an assload at risk if they did anything outside protocal and they all know everything they do is captured on video.

Now, I'm signing off because the original True Grit is on and I can't allow anything to disturb me.

/there are shades of gray


If their established protocol is to spray unarmed seated protesters in the face, then why has the chancellor of UCD called for an inquiry?
 
2011-11-19 07:50:44 PM  
Mmm, incapacitating...
 
2011-11-19 07:51:06 PM  
i.imgur.com

Huh, you say? Well what if Barney Fife became sheriff and his retarded son got a job as chair warmer in the Station.
 
2011-11-19 07:51:34 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: IamKaiserSoze!!!: As I said before, I believe they were given options to move and didn't elect to leave in a peaceful manner. Without knowing the backstory that occured before the video, neither of us can know who was the fark up in this situation.

Lack of police patience is not cause for a physical attack.

It's that simple.


It's getting to the point where the people are going to strip the police of their weapons because they are far to quick to resort to these "last resort" messures.

How did the cops of olde possibly keep the order with a wooden stick?

Everytime one of these incidents happen the victims should file assult charges against the offending cop. And I want it challenged if need be all the way up.

I want the SC on record saying that cops do not have to obey the laws of the land just 'cause.

Then enjoy the resurgance of the guillotine...
 
2011-11-19 07:54:43 PM  
I love how the police spokesperson claimed the officers were "trapped"....yet the officer pepper spraying the protestors just stepped over them with no issue. farking whimps.

I'm not going to shed any tears if a bunch of cops end up taking long dirt naps when the brutality like this keeps on.
 
2011-11-19 07:55:49 PM  

zusya: holy crap. http://anoncentral.tumblr.com/post/13023795840/d0x-uc-davis-pepper-spr aying-officer-lt-john-pike

[i1091.photobucket.com image 216x295]

Lieutenant John Pike


That guy looks like he snores while wide awake.

I do wonder, though, what will happen to him. Anonymous always talks a great game, but nothing really ever happens. And I'm sure the police department isn't going to do fark-all.

No, like most monumental dicks, he's going to keep on being a dick and no one can do anything about it.
 
2011-11-19 07:56:06 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: I would wager a couple weeks earnings that the cops were following protocal after attempting to get the protestors to comply with their orders.


So in your world "I'm just following orders" is a valid defense?

Friction8r: They had a choice to not get pepper sprayed,


The cops had a choice not to pepper spray them.
 
2011-11-19 07:57:09 PM  

wmoonfox: Police don't get to use chemical weapons to force compliance; if somebody disobeys what the officer believes is a lawful order, then that person can be arrested and the court decides his/her punishment.


Clearly you know zero about police department's use of force policies. Granted, it's different department to department, agency to agency. But gaining compliance is typically what use of force revolves around, whether that 's compliance in moving an individual, breaking up a physical altercation, or making an arrest.
 
2011-11-19 07:58:10 PM  

BroVinny: Guys, we're losing focus here. The focus should be about economic injustice, not about the protesters' suffering. If we make it about the suffering, then those who suffered will have done so in vain.


Police being used to stop protestors of economic injustice IS economic injustice.

They are not separate topics.
 
2011-11-19 07:58:41 PM  
I've asked this before but it was at the end of a long debate so there were not many responses.

Is there any time that a person can tell a police officer no? Can a person do anything to not get arrested if an officer wants to arrest you?

Police can override your right to assembly, your right to speech, your right to seek redress for wrongs, your right to property etc...

If you say no, they can arrest your for passively resisting arrest, causing a disturbance or failure to comply. They can arrest you, drag you away and not press charges.

Is there ever a time you can tell a cop no? or do you just have to obey whatever they tell you?

(I once heard a saying: Your entire life is at the mercy of one cop having a bad day.)
 
2011-11-19 07:59:46 PM  

SkinnyHead: NkThrasher: Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT

Headwaters case is completely different. That case was where police put tear gas in eyes using Q-tips. The arretees were already under arrest and in complete control of police,

In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.


Fail. In Headwaters, the protesters were locked together and the police pepper sprayed them to force compliance rather than, as they had successfully done before, using a grinder to painlessly separate them.
 
2011-11-19 08:00:27 PM  
www.harikari.com
 
2011-11-19 08:00:42 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: NkThrasher: IamKaiserSoze!!!: They bunkered down and took the spray like they knew it was coming. I'm impressed by their comittment, but don't try to tell me the cops were in the wrong. Those folks wanted to get sprayed to make a statement.

All the more reason for the police not to do it. It only serves undermines their position more.

Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT

OK, so the cops were given orders to move the protestors....how should it have happened? A bulldozed, rubber bullets, warter cannon, or what? These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

/well, that's my humble opinion

//they will love tellin their pepper spray story the rest of their lives


Here's how it generally works, and has for generations. If you're taking part in a sit-in, you know you're likely to be arrested. That's a given.

You are taught that you do nothing but sit. You do not resist, you do not speak, you sit. When the cops come up, they'll likely be a little rough on the arms, but not always, and they'll slap the zip-ties on your wrists and either lift you to your feet or drag you away.

That's how it works when you're a protester at these types of events. The protesters know it and the cops know it. I have a feeling you know it, too, but would rather see the cops bash some hippie heads in just for the fun of it.
 
2011-11-19 08:01:59 PM  

NotoriousFire: Clearly you know zero about police department's use of force policies.


Clearly, you're a moron. I am not debating any specific department's policy. Police do not have the right to attack people without cause. Period. Fark your policy.
 
2011-11-19 08:02:07 PM  

Weaver95: moralpanic: I just love how nonchalant he is. Even in the video, he just walks back and forth like he's spraying weeds.

its called 'sociopathy'.


Meanwhile the police in question are trying to proclaim that pepper spray what deployed in response to immanent threat.
This turd in question also violated pretty much every documented protocol on deploying pepper spray that can be found out there.

At some point we are going to have to realize two things:
1) The police are deliberately attempting to incite violence.
2) The police are eager, unabashed perjurers who will piss down everyone's backs and tell us it's raining. At what point do we finally admit that law enforcement is full of people with absolutely no integrity?

This degenerate thug is very lucky he is in a country where protesters are dedicated to nonviolence. This was a deliberate provocation and incitement and he's very lucky nobody took the bait.

ps. Don't you love how all the trolls have some sort of "dog" reference to them? Maybe it's just one.
 
2011-11-19 08:02:53 PM  

rdalton: Is there ever a time you can tell a cop no? or do you just have to obey whatever they tell you?


It all depends on if the cop's a dick or not.

I've known people to stand up for their rights and "get away with it." A lawyer friend challenged a drunk-driving stop, where the Anchorage PD were stopping every car on a highway and checking them. He drove through the checkpoint, handed them his business card through a crack in the window, and they waved him on. He said "no," and it was fine.

I've also known people to get beaten for saying no. Nothing ever happens to the cops -- nothing of note, anyway.

So it's all up to whether or not the cop is a dick. And it's a profession that attracts a lot of dicks.
 
2011-11-19 08:03:03 PM  

NotoriousFire: But gaining compliance is typically what use of force revolves around,


No it's not, and the SC would resoundling reject that. Is gaining compliance a consideration in use of force? Yes. But use of force revolves around the force being both reasonable and necessary.

Is pepper spraying a line of peaceful protestors to gain compliance necessary? No, no, a thousand times no. Had they attempted to use simple arrest control techniques that protestors resisted violently or struggled beyond the officers ability to reasonably control them, would it have then been necessary? Maybe.
 
2011-11-19 08:03:19 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: BroVinny: Guys, we're losing focus here. The focus should be about economic injustice, not about the protesters' suffering. If we make it about the suffering, then those who suffered will have done so in vain.

Police being used to stop protestors of economic injustice IS economic injustice.

They are not separate topics.


www.blogcdn.com
 
2011-11-19 08:03:51 PM  

rdalton: I've asked this before but it was at the end of a long debate so there were not many responses.

Is there any time that a person can tell a police officer no? Can a person do anything to not get arrested if an officer wants to arrest you?

Police can override your right to assembly, your right to speech, your right to seek redress for wrongs, your right to property etc...

If you say no, they can arrest your for passively resisting arrest, causing a disturbance or failure to comply. They can arrest you, drag you away and not press charges.

Is there ever a time you can tell a cop no? or do you just have to obey whatever they tell you?

(I once heard a saying: Your entire life is at the mercy of one cop having a bad day.)


You can say no all you want. However, I always recommend using your right to remain silent.
 
2011-11-19 08:04:16 PM  
His information is all over the internet now.

That officer will never again have a peaceful day in his life. He will forever be pestered by the unforgiving internet.

The problem with this, though, is that the officer probably drew the short straw of the lot.

However... I'm sure you all know who else was 'just following orders'.
 
2011-11-19 08:05:20 PM  

Daobaz: His information is all over the internet now.

That officer will never again have a peaceful day in his life. He will forever be pestered by the unforgiving internet.


Sheeeit, he'll probably get his own talk show.
 
2011-11-19 08:05:46 PM  

wmoonfox: NotoriousFire: Clearly you know zero about police department's use of force policies.

Clearly, you're a moron. I am not debating any specific department's policy. Police do not have the right to attack people without cause. Period. Fark your policy.


I concur with you - police do not have the right to attack people without cause. In this case, the police were lawfully present and had the authority to move these individuals from the property, as requested by UC Davis. Were they (the police) in compliance with their policy? Doubtful, but who knows. But whether you call me a moron for stating fact, or saying fark the policy, at the end of the day the writing of the policy will be what either gets this police agent in trouble or cleared. Not what you or I or the masses think. But fun to throw adjectives around, shall we continue?
 
2011-11-19 08:06:33 PM  
i198.photobucket.com
 
2011-11-19 08:07:12 PM  
So a bunch of college students sat in the quad at a University of California campus and the cops thought the best way to disburse them was pepper spray?

Hey Officer, all you need to do is place Doritos and Taco Bell within sight of the protestors and wait it out. The munchies are more powerful thank you can imagine.
 
2011-11-19 08:07:37 PM  

badhatharry: rdalton: I've asked this before but it was at the end of a long debate so there were not many responses.

Is there any time that a person can tell a police officer no? Can a person do anything to not get arrested if an officer wants to arrest you?

Police can override your right to assembly, your right to speech, your right to seek redress for wrongs, your right to property etc...

If you say no, they can arrest your for passively resisting arrest, causing a disturbance or failure to comply. They can arrest you, drag you away and not press charges.

Is there ever a time you can tell a cop no? or do you just have to obey whatever they tell you?

(I once heard a saying: Your entire life is at the mercy of one cop having a bad day.)

You can say no all you want. However, I always recommend using your right to remain silent.


Just my opinion here....

I would say as long as you aren't being told to do something reprehensible, like murder someone, go along and follow whatever instructio you need to to peacefully resolve the situation. Keep very good notes on who/what/when/where. Follow up with formal complaints and civil action as necessary.


Which seems to be what these people did...they all sat there and took it pretty damned well.
 
2011-11-19 08:07:48 PM  
 
2011-11-19 08:09:04 PM  
I think that Lt. Pike deserves a promotion.

To Captain.

upload.wikimedia.org

/Beep.
 
2011-11-19 08:10:28 PM  

Chunky Pumpkinhead: [i198.photobucket.com image 640x408]


As funny as this is, I just know this is the kind of asshole that had pussy up to his elbows in high school. Probably lettered in football.

Asshole.

/high school was lonely for me
 
2011-11-19 08:13:04 PM  
Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed.
 
2011-11-19 08:13:16 PM  
Pepper spray-check, silver bells - shiatt. I left my silver bells at the station.
 
2011-11-19 08:13:38 PM  
Also concur with this completely, with exception of your first sentence. How does use of force and gaining compliance

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: NotoriousFire: But gaining compliance is typically what use of force revolves around,

No it's not, and the SC would resoundling reject that. Is gaining compliance a consideration in use of force? Yes. But use of force revolves around the force being both reasonable and necessary.
.


I don't see how they are mutually exclusive - the force does indeed need to be both reasonable and necessary, but it also centers on the reason for using force, which is, typically, to gain compliance. Not quite sure how you're arguing it doesn't - care to elaborate?

Also, throwing out this link merely for informative purposes, as it somewhat relates:
http://www.nij.gov/nij/topics/technology/less-lethal/decide.htm
 
2011-11-19 08:14:00 PM  

Daobaz: His information is all over the internet now.

That officer will never again have a peaceful day in his life. He will forever be pestered by the unforgiving internet.

The problem with this, though, is that the officer probably drew the short straw of the lot.

However... I'm sure you all know who else was 'just following orders'.


Earlier today this photo was circulating on FB with all of his personal information shopped in. A comment on the photo said, "His voicemail is full, but you can still e-mail him."
 
2011-11-19 08:14:41 PM  

evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed


Yes because the proper response to people sitting in protest is pepper spray.
 
2011-11-19 08:14:45 PM  

evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed.


Aren't the courts supposed to determine if you're breaking the law?
 
2011-11-19 08:15:46 PM  
Do they owe us a living?
COURSE THEY DO!
COURSE THEY DO!
Do they owe us a living?
COURSE THEY DO!
COURSE THEY DO!

Thread needed more Crass


/amirite
 
2011-11-19 08:16:46 PM  
They should've used water to make those scumbags disperse. That's non-lethal, so nobody would have anything bad to say about the police.

img.ezinemark.com
 
2011-11-19 08:16:58 PM  

evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed.



I think we should have the death penalty for speeding.
 
2011-11-19 08:17:54 PM  

evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed.


www.rageboy.com
 
2011-11-19 08:18:07 PM  

Giltric: Thread needed more Crass


Are you Japanese?
 
2011-11-19 08:18:21 PM  

NotoriousFire: but it also centers on the reason for using force, which is, typically, to gain compliance.


Use of force is for a LOT of reasons, only one of which is to gain compliance, hence my objection to the claim that departmental policies on use of force are centered around gaining compliance. The way I read your post, it sounded like the logical conclusion would be:

Move.
No.
*Pepperspray*
Move.
No.
*tazer*
Move.
No.
*BLAM*

Escalation of force to gain compliance only in so far as the level of force used is necessary to gain compliance. Gaining compliance in and of itself does not justify an escalating use of force.
 
2011-11-19 08:19:34 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed.

Aren't the courts supposed to determine if you're breaking the law?


Yeah, the judge is right there with the cop when I get a speeding ticket.

(I'm supportive of OWS but that was a stupid statement. Of course the police make determination whether a law's been broken. They do it all the time.)
 
2011-11-19 08:19:50 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: SkinnyHead: NkThrasher: Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT

Headwaters case is completely different. That case was where police put tear gas in eyes using Q-tips. The arretees were already under arrest and in complete control of police,

In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.

Fail. In Headwaters, the protesters were locked together and the police pepper sprayed them to force compliance rather than, as they had successfully done before, using a grinder to painlessly separate them.


But the key difference in Headwaters is that the protesters were already under complete police control and were not a danger to police or others. In Davis, you had a large, uncontrolled mob. That's much more dangerous.

In the case of Forrester v. City of San Diego, 25 F. 3d 804,the 9th Circuit said it's OK to use pain compliance tactics to arrest a mob of protesters who were resisting arrest, same way these UC Davis radicals were resisting arrest.

The 9th Circuit quoted Justice Kennedy to explain why it is so much more dangerous when you're dealing with an uncontrolled mob of protesters: "Even in the context of political protest, persistent, organized, premeditated lawlessness menaces in a unique way the capacity of a State to maintain order and preserve the rights of its citizens. Such actions are designed to inflame, not inform. They subvert the civility and mutual respect that are the essential preconditions for the orderly resolution of social conflict in a free society."
 
2011-11-19 08:19:53 PM  

WhyteRaven74: evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed

Yes because the proper response to people sitting in protest is pepper spray.


The thing is, it was exactly what they wanted.
 
2011-11-19 08:20:27 PM  

Craptastic: Giltric: Thread needed more Crass

Are you Japanese?


Yeah, are you racist?
 
2011-11-19 08:21:06 PM  

evil saltine: WhyteRaven74: evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed

Yes because the proper response to people sitting in protest is pepper spray.

The thing is, it was exactly what they wanted.


Haha, stupid cops!
 
2011-11-19 08:21:09 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Gaining compliance in and of itself does not justify an escalating use of force.


well, not in any society that believes in the rule of law. OTHER forms of government and types of societies think nothing of crushing dissent by any/all means necessary. There is a name for such places, and we used to consider them horrible places to live. Now it seems as if our local authoritarians think those methods are just fine to use agains people protesting against economic injustice.
 
2011-11-19 08:21:18 PM  
The officer should be charged with assault and sued by those kids for everything he owns.

This is not American.
 
2011-11-19 08:21:24 PM  
*shaking*

Must. Not. Quote. SkinnyHead.


Must. resist.
 
2011-11-19 08:21:30 PM  
They were in the quad. The weather that night was in the mid-40s and windy--not freezing, but pretty nippy. It doesn't look like they were blocking traffic. It a little while it would have gotten dark and cold, and they'd be bored and hungry.

You want to break up that group? Order around 50 pizzas and a few boxes of coffee and distribute to the cops and protesters. Cops first, then protesters who aren't being disobedient. Put cops who went to that college on the front lines and have them talk to the students. Putting myself in the protesters' shoes: I'm linked up with a bunch of other students, I have to pee, and Officer Friendly is chilling with me while he eats free pizza and collects overtime? It would all get kind of silly after a while. And my arms would start to hurt.

Cops get time-and-a-half. Even with the overtime and the pizza it's probably cheaper than the lawsuits and less embarrassing than a criminal case. And, as a bonus, you don't have to spray a 19-year-old in the face with a caustic chemical.

What's the rush?
 
2011-11-19 08:21:46 PM  
Forget the Pepper Spray, break out those 150 decibel speakers and crank up some sweet Merle Haggard "The Fightin' Side of Me," sit back with earplugs on, grab some popcorn, and watch the masses of clueless protestors scatter. Give them a sample of the Noriega treatment and capture it on video for posterity. THAT will make for some humorous goodness!
 
2011-11-19 08:22:20 PM  

Giltric: Craptastic: Giltric: Thread needed more Crass

Are you Japanese?

Yeah, are you racist?


Yeah! Let's have some forbidden love, Fark-style!
 
2011-11-19 08:23:22 PM  

Friction8r: Forget the Pepper Spray, break out those 150 decibel speakers and crank up some sweet Merle Haggard "The Fightin' Side of Me," sit back with earplugs on, grab some popcorn, and watch the masses of clueless protestors scatter. Give them a sample of the Noriega treatment and capture it on video for posterity. THAT will make for some humorous goodness!


I wonder if bagpipes would make an effective counter to LRAD....
 
2011-11-19 08:23:40 PM  

evil saltine: WhyteRaven74: evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed

Yes because the proper response to people sitting in protest is pepper spray.

The thing is, it was exactly what they wanted.


At least in NY all the OWS people wanted were jobs.

Thats what I hate about all these protests with no common unifying message.


I hear the Occupy Joliet protesters wanted four fried chickens and some dry white toast.
 
2011-11-19 08:24:01 PM  

Sheila_McSly: They were in the quad. The weather that night was in the mid-40s and windy--not freezing, but pretty nippy. It doesn't look like they were blocking traffic. It a little while it would have gotten dark and cold, and they'd be bored and hungry.

You want to break up that group? Order around 50 pizzas and a few boxes of coffee and distribute to the cops and protesters. Cops first, then protesters who aren't being disobedient. Put cops who went to that college on the front lines and have them talk to the students. Putting myself in the protesters' shoes: I'm linked up with a bunch of other students, I have to pee, and Officer Friendly is chilling with me while he eats free pizza and collects overtime? It would all get kind of silly after a while. And my arms would start to hurt.

Cops get time-and-a-half. Even with the overtime and the pizza it's probably cheaper than the lawsuits and less embarrassing than a criminal case. And, as a bonus, you don't have to spray a 19-year-old in the face with a caustic chemical.

What's the rush?


Your jib...the cut of it...it's attractive.
 
2011-11-19 08:24:50 PM  

evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed.



So where do you draw the line? Electrocuted with a taser? Beaten unconscious by clubs? Shot with a gun?

If you were a real American who had any appreciation for civil rights, you would be outraged by this. This isn't farking Syria. Not all cops are heroes.
 
2011-11-19 08:25:21 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: And they may also be an indicator of a pending airborne threat. This is the argument that the police will give when they use it as an excuse to stop and hold you.


Perhaps. This seems more likely, though.

apoptotic: whizbangthedirtfarmer: One day, protestors will think far enough ahead to don gas masks when they get out the pepper spray.

/c'mon guys, they aren't that expensive.

In 1999, when protesters at the Battle of Seattle started wearing gas masks, the city responded by making the sale, purchase, and possession of gas masks illegal. I suspect the same thing would happen now.

 
2011-11-19 08:25:23 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: *shaking*

Must. Not. Quote. SkinnyHead.


Must. resist.


Who?

/Seriously kids: Ignore is your friend.
//Life is too short for some brands of stoopid...
 
2011-11-19 08:26:14 PM  

SkinnyHead: OBEY!!!!!

 
2011-11-19 08:27:30 PM  
The rules learned since the mid-sixties have rolled back. Non-violent protest will be met with violence.

If it is all about a warning then doing what the police want to do, then are we ten to fifteen years away from what is in Iran now.

Link (new window)

BTW I am tired of cops pulling excuses out of their asses about implicit threats to their safety for reasons to abuse people.

I am not talking about going into drug houses without armor. The reason cops get better than average salaries and benefit relative to the education they have is that they are sometimes putting their life on the line from the random domestic dispute or a coked up psychopath pulled up in that car.

Can't stand the heat, get the fark out of the fire.
 
2011-11-19 08:28:08 PM  
Now they are well seasoned protesters.
 
2011-11-19 08:28:29 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: NotoriousFire: but it also centers on the reason for using force, which is, typically, to gain compliance.

Use of force is for a LOT of reasons, only one of which is to gain compliance, hence my objection to the claim that departmental policies on use of force are centered around gaining compliance. .


True, my apologies, I misinterpreted your argument. I agree completely with what you're saying, and yeah, obviously excessive force isn't right to use. Obviously you wouldn't escalate something petty to using lethal force.

I do think gaining compliance, in the broad meaning, is indeed what use of force policies center upon. Protecting one's self or others - that's gaining compliance from the offender, to neutralize the threat. Maintaining public order - that's also gaining compliance in that you're having somebody do as you require to maintain the order. And lastly to detain or arrest - that's gaining compliance. One of the elements of an arrest is compliance. I'd venture to say most policies pertain to these actions, all of which could be seen as gaining compliance. Not in those two specific words, but along the same meaning.

Anyways, I think we both have the same understanding, merely arguing semantics.
 
2011-11-19 08:29:30 PM  
These goddamn kids just don't know how to protest. Yelling, "Shame on you!" does absolutely jack shiat. In fact, shut your farking mouth because you're doing nothing but making yourself look foolish. If you want to send a statement, remain silent as if the pepper spray had no effect. Sadists derive pleasure from witnessing pain. Take away that pleasure and they become ineffective.
 
2011-11-19 08:29:34 PM  

SkinnyHead: I admire your bravery. I read the decision. It might be helpful if you were to quote the portion of the decision that you think is most significant.


Certainly. From the decision:

Defendants asserted at trial that the protestors' use of "black bears" constituted "'active' resistance to arrest,'" meriting the use of force. The Eureka Police Department defines "active resistance" as occurring when the "subject is attempting to interfere with the officer's actions by inflicting pain or physical injury to the officer without the use of a weapon or object." 240 F.3d at 1202-3. Characterizing the protestors' activities as "active resistance" is contrary to the facts of the case, viewing them, as we must, in the light most favorable to the protestors: the protestors were sitting peacefully, were easily moved by the police, and did not threaten or harm the officers. In sum, it would be clear to a reasonable officer that it was excessive to use pepper spray against the nonviolent protestors under these circumstances.

The question at hand here is whether or not the individuals being sprayed posed a threat. Claims about the crowd are not related to that question, as they would justify spraying members of the crowd, not the individuals sitting on the ground. The only consideration that is significantly different here is that the protesters on the ground were not 'easily' moved, however not being able to be easily moved is not in any way threatening, and judging that to be worthy of force is questionable at best.

Until there is threat to life limb or eyesight, force is not justified. There was no threat to life limb or eyesight, thus force was not justified.
 
2011-11-19 08:31:57 PM  

rdalton: I've asked this before but it was at the end of a long debate so there were not many responses.

Is there any time that a person can tell a police officer no? Can a person do anything to not get arrested if an officer wants to arrest you?

Police can override your right to assembly, your right to speech, your right to seek redress for wrongs, your right to property etc...

If you say no, they can arrest your for passively resisting arrest, causing a disturbance or failure to comply. They can arrest you, drag you away and not press charges.

Is there ever a time you can tell a cop no? or do you just have to obey whatever they tell you?

(I once heard a saying: Your entire life is at the mercy of one cop having a bad day.)


Edwards v South Carolina (new window)
 
2011-11-19 08:32:26 PM  
NotoriousFire ,
Anyways, I think we both have the same understanding, merely arguing semantics.


Isn't that half the point of a fark discussion board.
 
2011-11-19 08:33:24 PM  

BroVinny: (I'm supportive of OWS but that was a stupid statement. Of course the police make determination whether a law's been broken. They do it all the time.)


No, they don't. They make a probability assessment.

Determination of guilt and the issuance of punishment is the responsibility of the courts, not the police.

Their force is not to be used as punishment.
 
2011-11-19 08:33:54 PM  

hubiestubert: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: *shaking*

Must. Not. Quote. SkinnyHead.


Must. resist.

Who?

/Seriously kids: Ignore is your friend.
//Life is too short for some brands of stoopid...


I dunno... His brand of stupid is amusing, so I've never plonked him.
 
2011-11-19 08:34:59 PM  

BroVinny: I'm supportive of OWS but


apparently more supportive of the police who pepper-sprayed a bunch of peaceful protesters.

Yeah. I went there...
 
2011-11-19 08:36:20 PM  

evil saltine: The thing is, it was exactly what they wanted.


Actually I'm pretty sure they wanted to keep sitting and protesting. And the cops had other choices besides pepper spray.
 
2011-11-19 08:36:47 PM  

Craptastic: hubiestubert: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: *shaking*

Must. Not. Quote. SkinnyHead.


Must. resist.

Who?

/Seriously kids: Ignore is your friend.
//Life is too short for some brands of stoopid...

I dunno... His brand of stupid is amusing, so I've never plonked him.


You have a much higher BS tolerance than I do, methinks...

Then again, maybe I've been on Fark long enough for disingenuous trolling without any humor to have lost its appeal...
 
2011-11-19 08:37:35 PM  

NotoriousFire: Anyways, I think we both have the same understanding, merely arguing semantics.


Reasoned, respectful, and rational discourse? In MY Fark?

We're through the looking glass here people!

/and yes, I agree. Semantics. You ninny-head.
 
2011-11-19 08:37:48 PM  

MorrisBird: Anonymous has all his info. Enjoy paying for all those pizzas you ordered, Lieutenant Pike.


Ideally every last one of them will come with extra hot peppers on top.
 
2011-11-19 08:37:51 PM  
By the way, all of this so-called police brutality is taking place under Obama's Watch!! HIS Watch!! He's watching!!!eleventy
 
2011-11-19 08:37:56 PM  

Doc Lee: ake away that pleasure and they become ineffective escalate further.


Wait until one of these pigs permanently injures someone. The calls for blood will be enormous.
 
2011-11-19 08:38:51 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: The My Little Pony Killer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: The My Little Pony Killer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!:

Jeezuz, don't be such an asswipe.


Same to you, sweet cheeks.
 
2011-11-19 08:38:53 PM  

whidbey: BroVinny: I'm supportive of OWS but

apparently more supportive of the police who pepper-sprayed a bunch of peaceful protesters.

Yeah. I went there...


No, not at all. Asshole.
 
2011-11-19 08:39:09 PM  
self defense. they were comin' right for him.

tazers and pepper spray are meant to be obedience devices anyway.
 
2011-11-19 08:39:12 PM  

evil saltine: WhyteRaven74: evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed

Yes because the proper response to people sitting in protest is pepper spray.

The thing is, it was exactly what they I wanted.

 
2011-11-19 08:39:48 PM  
I am goign to preface by saying, I do not beleive there is a chance in hell that this just happend. I am simply throwing out a hypothetical. .

But, hypothetically, assume you are a cop sympathetic to the OWS Crowd.
How do you help them?
do nothing, or break out the pepper spray?

imagine if groups of cops across the country decided they wanted to build sympathy for the cause?

yeah, I know. more like a hollywood movie than anything else.
 
2011-11-19 08:40:22 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Sabyen91: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.

Students should leave the quad in the middle of the day?

When police tell you to move, you move.

Should you elect not to, well, whatever happens after is your elective decision.

I've been around a lot of years and I've learned to do what authorities tell me to do. If all citizens decided that they could always over rule what our legal and justice system says......i'm not sure what country that woud even equate us to.


You are the problem.
 
2011-11-19 08:40:27 PM  
Jeez, we've gone happy happy joy joy feelings up in here.

Maybe the cop should have added pretty please instead of or else?
 
2011-11-19 08:44:47 PM  

Alphakronik: You are the problem.


Pretty much this.

Kaiser, move the fark out of my country. We don't need people like you around crapping the palce up nowadays.
 
2011-11-19 08:45:40 PM  

blastoh: How do you help them?
do nothing, or break out the pepper spray?


You do nothing. If you have to do something, just write some tickets. And if you really want to make a point, take off your riot gear, just toss it off to the side, and just be there. And there are cities where there are no issues with the cops and the cops are even being helpful and friendly to the point it appears they support the protesters. Nothing says the cops can't support the protesters.
 
2011-11-19 08:46:00 PM  

Doc Lee: These goddamn kids just don't know how to protest. Yelling, "Shame on you!" does absolutely jack shiat.


It got the police off the Quad.
 
2011-11-19 08:46:17 PM  

blastoh: I am goign to preface by saying, I do not beleive there is a chance in hell that this just happend. I am simply throwing out a hypothetical. .

But, hypothetically, assume you are a cop sympathetic to the OWS Crowd.
How do you help them?
do nothing, or break out the pepper spray?

imagine if groups of cops across the country decided they wanted to build sympathy for the cause?

yeah, I know. more like a hollywood movie than anything else.


I'm sure they'd do so by hurting people and exposing themselves to serious criminal and civil liability.

As opposed to showing up in their regular uniforms and engaging in conversation.
 
2011-11-19 08:46:28 PM  
www.newsmax.com
Giuliani said he delivered a speech at a high-level economic conference last week in China, where the first question posed to him involved the protests.

"This thing has gone around the globe, and it's beginning to characterize us," he said. "This is what they think we're about."

He described the protesters as "disgruntled bums" and "leftover hippies from the '60s and '70s."

"When I see them on television sometimes, particularly the older ones, it looks like I'm seeing the leftover effects of having taken too many drugs when they were 20 years old," he said. "They make no sense. They babble."
 
2011-11-19 08:46:52 PM  
he's just doing what his check signers are telling him to do. keepin' freedim alive!!
 
2011-11-19 08:47:01 PM  

Giltric: Jeez, we've gone happy happy joy joy feelings up in here.

Maybe the cop should have added pretty please instead of or else?


Yes, let's just stick up for police brutality, shall we?
 
2011-11-19 08:48:38 PM  

mcreadyblue: "When I see them on television sometimes, particularly the older ones, it looks like I'm seeing the leftover effects of having taken too many drugs when they were 20 years old," he said. "They make no sense. They babble."


Because interjecting "911" into every other word in a sentence makes you clear and coherent.
 
2011-11-19 08:48:48 PM  

evilmousse: self defense. they were comin' right for him.

tazers and pepper spray are meant to be obedience devices anyway.


Before:

"Why'd you kill the man, officer?"
"I had no choice. My gun is my only weapon, and he threatened me."
"Well, maybe we should give you less deadly weapons!"

Now:
"YES! We have weapons that don't kill people. We can use them to assault anyone, anytime we want! No marks! No forms to fill out! YES!!
 
2011-11-19 08:49:03 PM  

Friction8r: By the way, all of this so-called police brutality is taking place under Obama's Watch!! HIS Watch!! He's watching!!!eleventy


I told Fark a year before the election Mr. Obama was to the right of Mr. Clinton. The dreamers laughed at me. So it goes.
 
2011-11-19 08:49:29 PM  
Have you seen the little piggies...........


Link (new window)
 
2011-11-19 08:51:02 PM  

blastoh: I am goign to preface by saying, I do not beleive there is a chance in hell that this just happend. I am simply throwing out a hypothetical. .

But, hypothetically, assume you are a cop sympathetic to the OWS Crowd.
How do you help them?
do nothing, or break out the pepper spray?

imagine if groups of cops across the country decided they wanted to build sympathy for the cause?

yeah, I know. more like a hollywood movie than anything else.


More like exactly what happened here. Everybody knew what was going to happen. Everybody knew how it would look. Everybody knew what it would do.
 
2011-11-19 08:51:23 PM  

NkThrasher: SkinnyHead: I admire your bravery. I read the decision. It might be helpful if you were to quote the portion of the decision that you think is most significant.

Certainly. From the decision:

Defendants asserted at trial that the protestors' use of "black bears" constituted "'active' resistance to arrest,'" meriting the use of force. The Eureka Police Department defines "active resistance" as occurring when the "subject is attempting to interfere with the officer's actions by inflicting pain or physical injury to the officer without the use of a weapon or object." 240 F.3d at 1202-3. Characterizing the protestors' activities as "active resistance" is contrary to the facts of the case, viewing them, as we must, in the light most favorable to the protestors: the protestors were sitting peacefully, were easily moved by the police, and did not threaten or harm the officers. In sum, it would be clear to a reasonable officer that it was excessive to use pepper spray against the nonviolent protestors under these circumstances.

The question at hand here is whether or not the individuals being sprayed posed a threat. Claims about the crowd are not related to that question, as they would justify spraying members of the crowd, not the individuals sitting on the ground. The only consideration that is significantly different here is that the protesters on the ground were not 'easily' moved, however not being able to be easily moved is not in any way threatening, and judging that to be worthy of force is questionable at best.

Until there is threat to life limb or eyesight, force is not justified. There was no threat to life limb or eyesight, thus force was not justified.


Thank you. I read that language as saying that use of pepper spray was not reasonable under those particular circumstances. The danger posed by the UCD mob presented much more dangerous circumstances. An uncontrolled mob could become violent at any time.
 
2011-11-19 08:52:41 PM  

Doc Lee: These goddamn kids just don't know how to protest. Yelling, "Shame on you!" does absolutely jack shiat. In fact, shut your farking mouth because you're doing nothing but making yourself look foolish. If you want to send a statement, remain silent as if the pepper spray had no effect. Sadists derive pleasure from witnessing pain. Take away that pleasure and they become ineffective.


The shouting DID shame the cops. They scooted out of there, didn't they?
 
2011-11-19 08:53:46 PM  

SkinnyHead: . An uncontrolled mob could become violent at any time.


It was not an uncontrolled mob you coward.
 
2011-11-19 08:53:54 PM  

2wolves: Friction8r: By the way, all of this so-called police brutality is taking place under Obama's Watch!! HIS Watch!! He's watching!!!eleventy

I told Fark a year before the election Mr. Obama was to the right of Mr. Clinton. The dreamers laughed at me. So it goes.


Yes, he is as bought-and-paid-for-by-Wall-Street as any Republican, but recognizes the Occupiers as part of his voter base, so offers lip-service support.

Republicans see you as dollar signs, democrats see you as votes. We've been dehumanized by both parties.
 
2011-11-19 08:54:43 PM  

Alphakronik: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Sabyen91: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.

Students should leave the quad in the middle of the day?

When police tell you to move, you move.

Should you elect not to, well, whatever happens after is your elective decision.

I've been around a lot of years and I've learned to do what authorities tell me to do. If all citizens decided that they could always over rule what our legal and justice system says......i'm not sure what country that woud even equate us to.

You are the problem.


QFT!
 
2011-11-19 08:57:23 PM  
k.wigflip.com
 
2011-11-19 08:57:24 PM  

SkinnyHead: OBEY BETTER!!!!!!

 
2011-11-19 08:58:05 PM  

SkinnyHead: NkThrasher: SkinnyHead: I admire your bravery. I read the decision. It might be helpful if you were to quote the portion of the decision that you think is most significant.

Certainly. From the decision:

Defendants asserted at trial that the protestors' use of "black bears" constituted "'active' resistance to arrest,'" meriting the use of force. The Eureka Police Department defines "active resistance" as occurring when the "subject is attempting to interfere with the officer's actions by inflicting pain or physical injury to the officer without the use of a weapon or object." 240 F.3d at 1202-3. Characterizing the protestors' activities as "active resistance" is contrary to the facts of the case, viewing them, as we must, in the light most favorable to the protestors: the protestors were sitting peacefully, were easily moved by the police, and did not threaten or harm the officers. In sum, it would be clear to a reasonable officer that it was excessive to use pepper spray against the nonviolent protestors under these circumstances.

The question at hand here is whether or not the individuals being sprayed posed a threat. Claims about the crowd are not related to that question, as they would justify spraying members of the crowd, not the individuals sitting on the ground. The only consideration that is significantly different here is that the protesters on the ground were not 'easily' moved, however not being able to be easily moved is not in any way threatening, and judging that to be worthy of force is questionable at best.

Until there is threat to life limb or eyesight, force is not justified. There was no threat to life limb or eyesight, thus force was not justified.

Thank you. I read that language as saying that use of pepper spray was not reasonable under those particular circumstances. The danger posed by the UCD mob presented much more dangerous circumstances. An uncontrolled mob could become violent at any time.


What mob? You mean the 50 students sitting on the ground? Were they inherently dangerous? No. Were they posing any danger to anyone? No. In fact I'm going to send some cops to your house to pepper spray you because your stupidity poses more inherent danger to mankind than any of those protestors did to those cops.
 
2011-11-19 08:58:31 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: At the very most this asshole officer will be put on paid leave while internal affairs investigates. He might get a note in his personnel file, perhaps a verbal or written reprimand, but he'll still have his job when it's all over.


But if he stays with the UC system he will have very short tenure on any campus before he is recognized and has to move to a different campus.
 
2011-11-19 08:58:37 PM  

GaryPDX: GoldSpider: How many years behind bars do you suppose a citizen who sprays a line of cops with pepper spray would be looking at?

None. One of them would yell "GUN" and the perp would wind up with 93 holes in their body.


So...you're agreeing that far too many cops tend to be violence-first, sociopathic scumbags.

Good to see you are finally paying attention.
 
2011-11-19 08:58:53 PM  

AkaDad: [k.wigflip.com image 500x333]


Best one yet.
 
2011-11-19 09:01:13 PM  

hubiestubert: You have a much higher BS tolerance than I do, methinks...


Perhaps.

hubiestubert: Then again, maybe I've been on Fark long enough for disingenuous trolling without any humor to have lost its appeal...


You've been here a few months longer than I have. We probably have different tolerances for bullcrap, but you've always been "one of the good ones" on Fark. I mostly lurk anyhow, since I figured "Why bother?" was my motto for convincing retards to stop posting retarded falsehoods. I don't have the energy.
 
2011-11-19 09:03:30 PM  
They were told to disperse. What is the problem here? If it were me I would have used bullets, at least he used mace.
 
2011-11-19 09:03:34 PM  
In other news, the 99% in Egypt are taking to the streets again.

www.nytimes.com
www.nytimes.com

www.nytimes.com

www.nytimes.com
 
2011-11-19 09:04:55 PM  

mcreadyblue: In other news, the 99% in Egypt are taking to the streets again.


Is this about the hottie that showed her naughty bits?
 
2011-11-19 09:06:55 PM  

BroVinny: AkaDad: [k.wigflip.com image 500x333]

Best one yet.


Thanks, Bro.
 
2011-11-19 09:07:23 PM  

slc11082: What is the problem here?


What justification was there for telling people to disperse?
 
2011-11-19 09:09:45 PM  

WhyteRaven74: slc11082: What is the problem here?

What justification was there for telling people to disperse?


Justification? They're cops. What kind of hippie crap is this asking for "justification"? They can tell you to do whatever they want to, and if you don't, watch the fark out. Now pick up that can, citizen.
 
2011-11-19 09:11:42 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-19 09:11:43 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: WhyteRaven74: slc11082: What is the problem here?

What justification was there for telling people to disperse?

Justification? They're cops. What kind of hippie crap is this asking for "justification"? They can tell you to do whatever they want to, and if you don't, watch the fark out. Now pick up that can, citizen.


B-but they didn't tell the TEA PARTY TO DISPERSE!

[yttmd/leavetheteapartyalone.gif]
 
2011-11-19 09:13:53 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: WhyteRaven74: slc11082: What is the problem here?

What justification was there for telling people to disperse?

Justification? They're cops. What kind of hippie crap is this asking for "justification"? They can tell you to do whatever they want to, and if you don't, watch the fark out. Now pick up that can, citizen.


If they were on public property and being peaceful according to Edwards v South Carolina there was no justification. (new window) The sad thing is that people are taught that as citizens we have no rights when it comes to the police and we have to obey their every order.
 
2011-11-19 09:16:02 PM  

ongbok: A Dark Evil Omen: WhyteRaven74: slc11082: What is the problem here?

What justification was there for telling people to disperse?

Justification? They're cops. What kind of hippie crap is this asking for "justification"? They can tell you to do whatever they want to, and if you don't, watch the fark out. Now pick up that can, citizen.

If they were on public property and being peaceful according to Edwards v South Carolina there was no justification. (new window) The sad thing is that people are taught that as citizens we have no rights when it comes to the police and we have to obey their every order.


That sounds like commie talk to me, boy.
 
2011-11-19 09:17:10 PM  

WhyteRaven74: evil saltine: The thing is, it was exactly what they wanted.

Actually I'm pretty sure they wanted to keep sitting and protesting. And the cops had other choices besides pepper spray.


No, these are student "demonstrators". Their goal is to be "martyred" and put themselves in jail.
 
2011-11-19 09:18:00 PM  
a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2011-11-19 09:18:58 PM  

evil saltine: WhyteRaven74: evil saltine: The thing is, it was exactly what they wanted.

Actually I'm pretty sure they wanted to keep sitting and protesting. And the cops had other choices besides pepper spray.

No, these are student "demonstrators". Their goal is to be "martyred" and put themselves in jail.


oi44.tinypic.com
 
2011-11-19 09:21:18 PM  
Meh, rock salt loaded into 12 gauge shells and applied liberally. Works great on the bulls in the lower pasture
 
2011-11-19 09:21:43 PM  

evil saltine: No, these are student "demonstrators". Their goal is to be "martyred" and put themselves in jail.


They're protesting, why not just let them keep at it?
 
2011-11-19 09:22:13 PM  

wildlifer: Meh, rock salt loaded into 12 gauge shells and applied liberally. Works great on the bulls in the lower pasture


May you get everything you ask for. Right in the face.
 
2011-11-19 09:22:21 PM  
Funny thing is this cop just satisfied the supposed goal of the occupiers. At least for these protestors, after the lawsuits settle, his actions just bailed them out of their student loans.
 
2011-11-19 09:23:03 PM  

wildlifer: Meh, rock salt loaded into 12 gauge shells and applied liberally. Works great on the bulls in the lower pasture


I agree but if you aim a twelve gauge at a cop they will shoot you. Your better off being non violent like the kids.
 
2011-11-19 09:23:11 PM  

wildlifer: rock salt loaded into 12 gauge shells and applied liberally.


I'm pretty sure the protesters are opposed to the idea of showing up with shotguns, they prefer to just be there....
 
2011-11-19 09:24:24 PM  

ongbok: Funny thing is this cop just satisfied the supposed goal of the occupiers. At least for these protestors, after the lawsuits settle, his actions just bailed them out of their student loans.


You presuppose that the judges aren't part of the same money-fueled machine that the police are. I think that's a dangerous supposition,
 
2011-11-19 09:29:40 PM  

evil saltine: WhyteRaven74: evil saltine: The thing is, it was exactly what they wanted.

Actually I'm pretty sure they wanted to keep sitting and protesting. And the cops had other choices besides pepper spray.

No, these are student "demonstrators". Their goal is to be "martyred" and put themselves My goal is to see them put in jail.

 
2011-11-19 09:29:45 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Sabyen91: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.

Students should leave the quad in the middle of the day?

When police tell you to move, you move.

Should you elect not to, well, whatever happens after is your elective decision.

I've been around a lot of years and I've learned to do what authorities tell me to do. If all citizens decided that they could always over rule what our legal and justice system says......i'm not sure what country that woud even equate us to.


You sound free, citizen.
 
2011-11-19 09:30:57 PM  

BroVinny: [i.imgur.com image 640x479]


Oh how horrible. Teargas that bastard.
 
2011-11-19 09:31:46 PM  

whidbey: BroVinny: [i.imgur.com image 640x479]

Oh how horrible. Teargas that bastard.


Fascist.
 
2011-11-19 09:31:54 PM  

Giltric: I hear the Occupy Joliet protesters wanted four fried chickens and some dry white toast.


And a Coke.
 
2011-11-19 09:32:54 PM  

BroVinny: whidbey: BroVinny: [i.imgur.com image 640x479]

Oh how horrible. Teargas that bastard.

Fascist.


It's what you want. Why deny it?
 
2011-11-19 09:33:46 PM  

whidbey: BroVinny: whidbey: BroVinny: [i.imgur.com image 640x479]

Oh how horrible. Teargas that bastard.

Fascist.

It's what you want. Why deny it?


I support the movement.
 
2011-11-19 09:33:58 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Giltric: I hear the Occupy Joliet protesters wanted four fried chickens and some dry white toast.

And a Coke.


With no ice.
 
2011-11-19 09:34:34 PM  

BroVinny: ongbok: Funny thing is this cop just satisfied the supposed goal of the occupiers. At least for these protestors, after the lawsuits settle, his actions just bailed them out of their student loans.

You presuppose that the judges aren't part of the same money-fueled machine that the police are. I think that's a dangerous supposition,


Notice how I said when the lawsuits settle. I don't think the school is going to risk the publicity of a civil trial with this.
 
2011-11-19 09:35:17 PM  

evil saltine: WhyteRaven74: evil saltine: The thing is, it was exactly what they wanted.

Actually I'm pretty sure they wanted to keep sitting and protesting. And the cops had other choices besides pepper spray.

No, these are student "demonstrators". Their goal is to be "martyred" and put themselves in jail.


Then they graduate, get hired at you company for a position that you've wanted for many years, and you get even more insane because "dirty hippies".
 
2011-11-19 09:35:56 PM  

ongbok: Notice how I said when the lawsuits settle. I don't think the school is going to risk the publicity of a civil trial with this.


Oh. Very well then. I am in agreement.
 
2011-11-19 09:36:18 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: The shouting DID shame the cops. They scooted out of there, didn't they?


You think them shouting, "Shame!" made them get out of there? Hell no, it didn't. It doesn't work. If anything, they went away after they realized shiat was about to hit the fan from their actions.

Short of violent revolution, the most effective protest is a silent protest. What do you think is more effective when shown on TV: 1) protesters shouting and screaming random crap at the police and getting pepper sprayed or 2) protesters sitting in abject silence and police pepper spraying them? Which is a more powerful message against oppression? Which is more likely to bring more people to the movement who might be skeptical about the words of the protesters?

Furthermore, silent protests have the added benefit of controlling the message by eliminating media distortion through interviewing individuals who are completely clueless.
 
2011-11-19 09:37:20 PM  
i14.photobucket.com
Whut?
 
2011-11-19 09:39:41 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 
2011-11-19 09:40:10 PM  

WhyteRaven74: SkinnyHead: . An uncontrolled mob could become violent at any time.

It was not an uncontrolled mob you coward.


I'm not the sort of dickbag liberal who calls cops pigs because I can't light up a joint in the police station. In fact, I often defend them in cop threads where that type of hippie dickbag is trolling.

But this shiat?

Man, I don't care how long the cops tried to reason with them. I don't care what these students are guilty of, if anything. I don't care if the folks all chanted in unison about how they gangfarked the cop's mom. There are other options to physically detain people - people who are not being physically aggressive and seated for fark's sake - than spraying them with a searing chemical.

This fat thimbledick unwittingly just galvanized support for the protesters.

I know that the thread is probably full of people trying to rationalize the officer's behavior. I honestly can't fathom how you can do it, and it speaks volumes about your character. If you are defending this man, you are likely a jerk in every other aspect of your life,
 
2011-11-19 09:40:21 PM  

Doc Lee: The My Little Pony Killer: The shouting DID shame the cops. They scooted out of there, didn't they?

You think them shouting, "Shame!" made them get out of there? Hell no, it didn't. It doesn't work. If anything, they went away after they realized shiat was about to hit the fan from their actions.

Short of violent revolution, the most effective protest is a silent protest. What do you think is more effective when shown on TV: 1) protesters shouting and screaming random crap at the police and getting pepper sprayed or 2) protesters sitting in abject silence and police pepper spraying them? Which is a more powerful message against oppression? Which is more likely to bring more people to the movement who might be skeptical about the words of the protesters?

Furthermore, silent protests have the added benefit of controlling the message by eliminating media distortion through interviewing individuals who are completely clueless.


Well there is one other way.
images1.makefive.com

But other than going to that extreme you are correct.
 
2011-11-19 09:43:04 PM  

BroVinny: whidbey: BroVinny: whidbey: BroVinny: [i.imgur.com image 640x479]

Oh how horrible. Teargas that bastard.

Fascist.

It's what you want. Why deny it?

I support the movement.


Not one of your posts reflects that. How come?
 
2011-11-19 09:44:03 PM  

whidbey: BroVinny: whidbey: BroVinny: whidbey: BroVinny: [i.imgur.com image 640x479]

Oh how horrible. Teargas that bastard.

Fascist.

It's what you want. Why deny it?

I support the movement.

Not one of your posts reflects that. How come?


You're shiatting me, right?
 
2011-11-19 09:44:08 PM  

vegasj: "Congress shall make no law


Yeah but it wasn't Congress, it was the cops.

Amirite, Vinny?
 
2011-11-19 09:45:10 PM  

BroVinny: whidbey: BroVinny: whidbey: BroVinny: whidbey: BroVinny: [i.imgur.com image 640x479]

Oh how horrible. Teargas that bastard.

Fascist.

It's what you want. Why deny it?

I support the movement.

Not one of your posts reflects that. How come?

You're shiatting me, right?


No, I'm not "shiatting" you. Practically every thing you've posted here shows a disdain for them.

How is that "supporting the movement?"
 
2011-11-19 09:46:46 PM  

whidbey: vegasj: "Congress shall make no law

Yeah but it wasn't Congress, it was the cops.

Amirite, Vinny?


It was cops. Further, it was cops who were overstepping their bounds, and who should lose their jobs.
 
2011-11-19 09:47:36 PM  

Bonzo_1116: oukewldave: As expected, these thugs are claiming they were surrounded by protesters, so they had to spray. From the link up higher: "UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza told the Sacramento Bee (http://bit.ly/sKoP5T) that police used the pepper spray after they were surrounded. Protesters were warned repeatedly beforehand that force would be used if they didn't move, she said.

"There was no way out of that circle," Spicuzza said. "They were cutting the officers off from their support. It's a very volatile situation."

Those poor poor armed and armored cops. Frightened of being cut off from their donut supply by hordes of UC Davis students.

UC Davis is filled with *nerds*. WTF, these cops are enormous pussies.

Speaking of Davis cops, does anybody know of the infamous Davis midget cop was involved?


OH NO! Don't bring the farking MIDGIT cop into this! I have an ex girlfriend who was arrested by the midget cop. No shiat.

I was also given a smoking ticket by DPD in maybe 1995 for smoking within 20 feet of a coffee shop doorway by a guy who went to school with a few kids I knew. This guy went through high school saying he wanted to be a cop so he could "bust people!" yeah!! for smoking on the street side of the sidewalk apparently. I had a Colorado ID and told the cop I had no idea about the law and he didn't care. Funny thing is I went to traffic court (Which is where you had to appear on this type of ticket) and they said the law was so new they didn't have it in the system, so could I come back in a few weeks? I went back to CO the next day, but they still sent a Sheriff Deputy to my parents house to arrest me. Cool story bro!

Long story short DPD has some dicks, but there are dicks everywhere. I work with many in my trade, let's not let those farkers make everyone look bad.
 
2011-11-19 09:48:54 PM  

whidbey: No, I'm not "shiatting" you. Practically every thing you've posted here shows a disdain for them.

How is that "supporting the movement?"


I don't see it.
 
2011-11-19 09:49:53 PM  
Are these the new martyr flavors of the week?

What ever happened to that ihatethemarinecorps guy?

I bet the Philly police Captain is pissed he got plonked on the same day he made his debut.

/I've never seen so many people thirsty for a little protester blood. One solid shot with a nightstick and we'll hit the big time ma!
 
2011-11-19 09:50:33 PM  

BroVinny:

You're shiatting me, right?


I shiat you not.
 
2011-11-19 09:51:07 PM  

whidbey: BroVinny: whidbey: BroVinny: whidbey: BroVinny: [i.imgur.com image 640x479]

Oh how horrible. Teargas that bastard.

Fascist.

It's what you want. Why deny it?

I support the movement.

Not one of your posts reflects that. How come?


He's making progress. A couple days ago he was all "I don't get it, OWS is silly and pointless..what do they waaaant???". A handful of people spent most of a thread educating him and now he's claiming to support it. Maybe if we give him a few more days he'll actually support it.

Or maybe I'm just a naive optimist.
 
2011-11-19 09:52:31 PM  

BroVinny: whidbey: No, I'm not "shiatting" you. Practically every thing you've posted here shows a disdain for them.

How is that "supporting the movement?"

I don't see it.


Well then maybe you're just not that convincing.
 
2011-11-19 09:54:08 PM  

apoptotic: He's making progress. A couple days ago he was all "I don't get it, OWS is silly and pointless..what do they waaaant???". A handful of people spent most of a thread educating him and now he's claiming to support it. Maybe if we give him a few more days he'll actually support it.


Pretty much my past observation as well. I haven't been consistently Farking for the past week, so I'm all about what went down in past threads as opposed to now.

But then again, even I stupidly gave GWB the benefit of the doubt...
 
2011-11-19 09:55:05 PM  

whidbey: BroVinny: whidbey: No, I'm not "shiatting" you. Practically every thing you've posted here shows a disdain for them.

How is that "supporting the movement?"

I don't see it.

Well then maybe you're just not that convincing.


Whatever. I didn't get into this thread to convince anybody.
 
2011-11-19 09:57:59 PM  
Cops like this deserve the evil things that should come to them.

Sadly, our nation does not like to punish these kinds of criminals.
 
2011-11-19 09:58:41 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: SkinnyHead: In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.

You realize that in the end, they're just going to strap a rat cage to your head, don't you?


www.ratzingerfanclub.com

All I can think of is skinny head with a rat cage on his head, rationalizing why Big Brother did it, how its really for the best, and it will improve him.
 
2011-11-19 10:00:20 PM  
Incidentally, I find it incredible that this officer did not simply do one quick pass-through, as one witness on the show Nitro Circus. This officer went back and forth as if he was watering his farking lawn.
 
2011-11-19 10:01:13 PM  
Has the transition to OWS v. the Cops completed yet?

Because THAT is a winning combination.
 
2011-11-19 10:03:06 PM  

puffy999: Incidentally, I find it incredible that this officer did not simply do one quick pass-through, as one witness on the show Nitro Circus. This officer went back and forth as if he was watering his farking lawn.


The shrub of Tyranny must from time to time be refreshed with the pain of patriots.
 
2011-11-19 10:03:17 PM  

BroVinny: Whatever. I didn't get into this thread to convince anybody.


Then why are you here? How interesting can a bunch of comments about cops being assholes be to you?
 
2011-11-19 10:05:10 PM  
Kudos to the police in this matter. The police should not have to subject themselves to even a split nail when they can solve the problem through non-lethal infliction of pain and discomfort. The protestors knew it was coming (probably desired it to happen) and chose to subject themselves to the pepper spray.

They get no sympathy for me. Cops' jobs are difficult; anyone intentionally making their jobs more difficult is an asshole and deserves what they get.
 
2011-11-19 10:05:56 PM  

LittleJoeSF: I was also given a smoking ticket by DPD in maybe 1995 for smoking within 20 feet of a coffee shop doorway by a guy who went to school with a few kids I knew. This guy went through high school saying he wanted to be a cop so he could "bust people!" yeah!! for smoking on the street side of the sidewalk apparently. I had a Colorado ID and told the cop I had no idea about the law and he didn't care. Funny thing is I went to traffic court (Which is where you had to appear on this type of ticket) and they said the law was so new they didn't have it in the system, so could I come back in a few weeks? I went back to CO the next day, but they still sent a Sheriff Deputy to my parents house to arrest me. Cool story bro!

Long story short DPD has some dicks, but there are dicks everywhere. I work with many in my trade, let's not let those farkers make everyone look bad.


Their ineptitude violated your 6th amendment rights. What was the final outcome?
 
2011-11-19 10:07:36 PM  

SunsetLament: anyone intentionally making their jobs more difficult is an asshole and deserves what they get


The cops made things difficult, they could've done nothing, they could've written tickets. Instead they decided to come out in riot gear and use tear gas. They chose poorly.
 
2011-11-19 10:10:18 PM  
whidbey 2011-11-19 06:18:28 PM

ongbok: I wonder when the lawsuits from this are going to start rolling in. And how about a federal investigation for civil rights violations.

No no, don't be absurd:

Tea Party=Peaceful
OWS=damn dirty apes who deserved it


Whidbey, finally something we can agree on... I knew there would come a day my friend.

Seriously though.. At what time did this officer spray the protestors? If it was after 3 pm, they did have fair warning to disperse and if they chose to ignore said warning, they had to expect something would happen and given the potential options pepper spray is one of the least harmful results that could have happened.

This being said, I want to point out that while I do not support OWS, I do support their Constitutional right to protest and for the most part, cities have been willing to look the other way for most of this "protest," but at some point these cities have the right to expect a certain level of structure amongst these protests and to not want what in some cases have become refugee camps set up in their city squares. Amusingly, I have seen some protestors actually complain that certain cities have not provided them with porta-potties; basically, let us protest, but don't expect us to take on any responsibilty
 
2011-11-19 10:10:31 PM  

whidbey: BroVinny: Whatever. I didn't get into this thread to convince anybody.

Then why are you here? How interesting can a bunch of comments about cops being assholes be to you?


Oh, several reasons. Would like to see the conversation turn to the malady of economic injustice rather than the police brutality, which is symptomatic but not an underlying cause. Attempts on my part to turn it there have been unsuccessful.

So, I like to watch the banter, take part in the great discussion. Eventually every thread I truly invest myself in has its payoffs. I think everyone who participates in threads has a bit of attention whore in them; they like to see how they're being responded to.

Fair enough?
 
2011-11-19 10:13:17 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: evilmousse: self defense. they were comin' right for him.

tazers and pepper spray are meant to be obedience devices anyway.

Before:

"Why'd you kill the man, officer?"
"I had no choice. My gun is my only weapon, and he threatened me."
"Well, maybe we should give you less deadly weapons!"

Now:
"YES! We have weapons that don't kill people. We can use them to assault anyone, anytime we want! No marks! No forms to fill out! YES!!


+1 cookie for getting it.

they sold the public on this equipment saying they'd only use them where they formerly had to use guns, but all it's done is enable forcible coercion. i say take back the tazers & spray, and go back to when they had to justify using a deadly weapon or not use a weapon at all.

/course, the pinkertons & strikebreakers during teddy's era were fine with using clubs, so it's not like the problem is new.
//they also sold us the social security number on promising it'd never become a national id number, but that's gone equally as well
 
2011-11-19 10:13:43 PM  

jpo2269: I have seen some protestors actually complain that certain cities have not provided them with porta-potties; basically, let us protest, but don't expect us to take on any responsibilty


that's happened in cities where the city has turned down the protesters permit applications to have the porta-potties put in place. Also there's precedent for governments providing for protesters just because it makes things simpler and is in the grand scheme of thing the right to do.
 
2011-11-19 10:14:25 PM  
Post-script to whidbey:

In addition, this thread gives me something to do while waiting for pics to build up in the "yoga pants" thread. :-)
 
2011-11-19 10:14:27 PM  

BroVinny: Oh, several reasons. Would like to see the conversation turn to the malady of economic injustice rather than the police brutality, which is symptomatic but not an underlying cause. Attempts on my part to turn it there have been unsuccessful.


Probably because you don't sound very condemning of their behavior, or very sympathetic of the protesters. You just want to
skip ahead while ignoring what happened.

At least, that's my take on it. You have at least one other Farker hoping you're not going to remain the same insensitive shlub you were before. Try making it two.
 
2011-11-19 10:16:55 PM  

evilmousse: hey also sold us the social security number on promising it'd never become a national id number, but that's gone equally as well


Actually the law about SS numbers says you can't be compelled to provide it to any private institution and if they need you to have some sort of number than have to provide one of their own creation. And there's extensions of that to government stuff as well.
 
2011-11-19 10:16:57 PM  

evilmousse: they sold the public on this equipment saying they'd only use them where they formerly had to use guns, but all it's done is enable forcible coercion. i say take back the tazers & spray, and go back to when they had to justify using a deadly weapon or not use a weapon at all.


It is odd. You typed out that whole post, even including a reference to Pinkertons using clubs and never realized that police carry nightsticks?

Odd.

Did you just get here from an alternative Universe or something?
 
2011-11-19 10:17:28 PM  
Wait - you guys know these are campus cops right? This makes them basically one rung up from mall cops. They can't make arrests they can just hold you till the real cops get there. They can't write tickets either. What they can do is fark up your education if the university takes their side.
 
2011-11-19 10:20:43 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Actually the law about SS numbers says you can't be compelled to provide it to any private institution and if they need you to have some sort of number than have to provide one of their own creation. And there's extensions of that to government stuff as well.


yet i couldn't rent a storeage locker recently without providing it because of terrorism. (actually, mcveigh and his storing fertilizer, rather than 9/11, for once)

and never realized that police carry nightsticks?

i didn't? wanna tell me what else i think, since you know better than i?
 
2011-11-19 10:24:54 PM  
You know, for all the skill in ruthlessly ammassing wealth that they have, the bankers and brokers running the whole show don't have that much guile or intuition. One would think that they'd wait for winter and have the protesters trudge away bit by bit in the bitter cold. Instead they're handing the pissed off masses more guilotine lumber with all the goon-on-student brutality in every frigging news cycle.

Honestly, the 1% probably believe they can get the middle and lower classes to give them an "intellectual" bail-out when they fail.
 
2011-11-19 10:25:30 PM  

evilmousse: didn't? wanna tell me what else i think, since you know better than i?


Oh you knew about night sticks, yet typed "go back to using deadly force or not use a weapon at all."

Well, that is certainly... something.

Good post otherwise.... rolls eyes....
 
2011-11-19 10:26:19 PM  
ok, "at all" perhaps was too strong. perhaps "more hesitantly" then. clubbing people still gets a lot worse press than pepper spraying, and leaves more permanent provable harm. point being these tools are enabling forcible coercion more than they're saving lives.
 
2011-11-19 10:29:38 PM  

quickdraw: Wait - you guys know these are campus cops right?


Campus cops are also often state employees who have the same kind of power as a State Trooper does.

At least that was the case at two universities I attended...
 
2011-11-19 10:30:13 PM  

evilmousse: point being these tools are enabling forcible coercion more than they're saving lives.


Ouch, I'm not sure I would call the Campers tools, I mean they have proved to be mostly useless...

tee hee!
 
2011-11-19 10:31:47 PM  

whidbey: At least that was the case at two universities I attended...


seven years of college down the drain
 
2011-11-19 10:33:03 PM  
i582.photobucket.com
 
2011-11-19 10:38:25 PM  

quickdraw: Wait - you guys know these are campus cops right? This makes them basically one rung up from mall cops. They can't make arrests they can just hold you till the real cops get there. They can't write tickets either. What they can do is fark up your education if the university takes their side.


yea... a campus cop making $110,000 / yr.

sad.

 
2011-11-19 10:38:56 PM  

Observatory [TotalFark] Add Favorite User Quote 2011-11-19 10:33:03 PM


Riiight....so Obama ordered the beatdown on the protesters?

Disingenuous, much? Of course you are.
 
2011-11-19 10:39:23 PM  
WhyteRaven74 2011-11-19 10:13:43 PM

jpo2269: I have seen some protestors actually complain that certain cities have not provided them with porta-potties; basically, let us protest, but don't expect us to take on any responsibilty

that's happened in cities where the city has turned down the protesters permit applications to have the porta-potties put in place. Also there's precedent for governments providing for protesters just because it makes things simpler and is in the grand scheme of thing the right to do.


I find it ironic that the OWS folks do not realize the cities, counties, states they are protesting in have been cutting budgets for the last three years, providing porta-potties not only encourages these refugee camps being established, they actually take food, or money out of the hands of someone who is in need... As I have said, the OWS folks have every right to protest, IMO, they could be doing so in a much more postive manner.
 
2011-11-19 10:42:13 PM  

whidbey: Observatory [TotalFark] Add Favorite User Quote 2011-11-19 10:33:03 PM

Riiight....so Obama ordered the beatdown on the protesters?

Disingenuous, much? Of course you are.


No, it's more like, where is Obama when all of this brutality is going on? He pays lip-service to the movement, but hasn't been seen doing much else in support.

The obvious answer is that he's a corporate shill, but a lot of Democrats who regard Obama as a hero are unable to accept that answer.
 
2011-11-19 10:42:15 PM  

halfof33: evilmousse: point being these tools are enabling forcible coercion more than they're saving lives.

Ouch, I'm not sure I would call the Campers tools, I mean they have proved to be mostly useless...

tee hee!


img51.imageshack.us

(during the "tot" offensive)

Lou: I don't feel right clubbing women and children, Chief.

Chief Wiggum: I hear ya. Some days are tougher than others. Just close your eyes and club. (The babies swarm over the cops, knocking them to the ground) This is it boys, we'll have to tummy kiss our way out!
 
2011-11-19 10:43:55 PM  

evilmousse: (during the "tot" offensive)

Lou: I don't feel right clubbing women and children, Chief.

Chief Wiggum: I hear ya. Some days are tougher than others. Just close your eyes and club. (The babies swarm over the cops, knocking them to the ground) This is it boys, we'll have to tummy kiss our way out!


LOL, I love Family Guy.
 
2011-11-19 10:44:19 PM  
All the cops in the doughnut shops, eyohh, they use the pepper spray for crowd control! All the kids who have no point, eyohh, get to savor pepper spray, it beats the joint!
 
2011-11-19 10:44:49 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-19 10:44:53 PM  

whidbey: Riiight....so Obama ordered the beatdown on the protesters?

Disingenuous, much? Of course you are.


I'm sure the point there is "In the United States, we will stand up for protestors protesting their government", you know... certain rights in America

unless it is IN the US.

 
2011-11-19 10:45:28 PM  

BroVinny: No, it's more like, where is Obama when all of this brutality is going on? He pays lip-service to the movement, but hasn't been seen doing much else in support.

The obvious answer is that he's a corporate shill, but a lot of Democrats who regard Obama as a hero are unable to accept that answer.


Nice strawman, there. You're getting better. I'm starting to see the real you now.
 
2011-11-19 10:45:45 PM  
These student protesters are the finest law enforcement heroes in America today. They enforced our American freedoms.

The cops, meanwhile, are violent, criminal thugs who made a sad mockery of the Constitution.
 
2011-11-19 10:46:03 PM  

quickdraw: Wait - you guys know these are campus cops right? This makes them basically one rung up from mall cops. They can't make arrests they can just hold you till the real cops get there. They can't write tickets either. What they can do is fark up your education if the university takes their side.


Ummmm... no. Or at least, not necessarily. I've worked at 2 universities where the campus PD was a real Police Department, with guns, arrests, a holding cell, and everything. From their website, I'd say the UC Davis police are also real cops.

With all the dickishness that entails.
 
2011-11-19 10:46:19 PM  

vegasj: whidbey: Riiight....so Obama ordered the beatdown on the protesters?

Disingenuous, much? Of course you are.

I'm sure the point there is "In the United States, we will stand up for protestors protesting their government", you know... certain rights in America

unless it is IN the US.


I didn't realize Obama was an absolute dictator who could wield power over state jurisdictions.
 
2011-11-19 10:48:06 PM  

MorrisBird: One cannot help but wonder whether Lieutenant Pike likes anchovies?


I would be more curious as to whether he prefers his pizza with or without a layer of pure capsaicin drizzled under the cheese.
 
2011-11-19 10:48:28 PM  

fluffybunny:


It won't be much longer before the Facists kill innocents again.
 
2011-11-19 10:48:45 PM  

evilmousse: This is it boys, we'll have to tummy kiss our way out!


And yet ANOTHER Fark thread turns into a Penn State thread.

/In other news, Fark news gets exclusive quote from former coach:

"Penn State prefers coming from a little behind in the locker room."
 
2011-11-19 10:49:15 PM  

whidbey: BroVinny: No, it's more like, where is Obama when all of this brutality is going on? He pays lip-service to the movement, but hasn't been seen doing much else in support.

The obvious answer is that he's a corporate shill, but a lot of Democrats who regard Obama as a hero are unable to accept that answer.

Nice strawman, there. You're getting better. I'm starting to see the real you now.


Why do you hate me, whidbey? I want what you want: an elimination of corruption in business and government.
 
2011-11-19 10:50:12 PM  

whidbey: I didn't realize Obama was an absolute dictator who could wield power over state jurisdictions.


Really dude? You're going to argue with this one?

Doesn't Obama lead this country?

Where is this leadership while state /city /local police departments abuse their power and attack unarmed people?

 
2011-11-19 10:50:21 PM  
jpo2269:
As I have said, the OWS folks have every right to protest, IMO, they could be doing so in a much more postive manner.

Well, FFS, get on out there an tell them exactly how they *should* be doing this sir, if you are so knowledgeable in this specific area.
 
2011-11-19 10:52:34 PM  

halfof33: evilmousse: This is it boys, we'll have to tummy kiss our way out!

And yet ANOTHER Fark thread turns into a Penn State thread.

/In other news, Fark news gets exclusive quote from former coach:

"Penn State prefers coming from a little behind in the locker room."


fark that was supposed to say an exclusive halftime quote.

They also retired the number 29 at halftime. Turned out that as the Coach's favorite number, because there are 20 of them!
 
2011-11-19 10:52:50 PM  

vegasj: whidbey: I didn't realize Obama was an absolute dictator who could wield power over state jurisdictions.

Really dude? You're going to argue with this one?

Doesn't Obama lead this country?

Where is this leadership while state /city /local police departments abuse their power and attack unarmed people?


THIS.
 
2011-11-19 10:53:14 PM  

vegasj: whidbey: I didn't realize Obama was an absolute dictator who could wield power over state jurisdictions.

Really dude? You're going to argue with this one?

Doesn't Obama lead this country?

Where is this leadership while state /city /local police departments abuse their power and attack unarmed people?


Obama is not the Governor of California. I'm sorry you think he should be.
 
2011-11-19 10:54:14 PM  

BroVinny: Why do you hate me, whidbey? I want what you want: an elimination of corruption in business and government.


Then start actually supporting this movement. Stop trying to see it from "both sides."

There really aren't any.
 
2011-11-19 10:55:49 PM  

BroVinny: Why do you hate me, whidbey? I want what you want: an elimination of corruption in business and government.


Dude, seriously, it is Whidbey. Don't waste your time.

The guy's hero is Dictator for Life Chavez.

Ask him how Occupy Venezuela is coming and he'll put you on ignore faster than Sean Penn blowing Hugo.
 
2011-11-19 10:56:03 PM  

whidbey: I'm sorry you think he should be.


I see you can still be a dick. Where did I say I thought he should be the Governor of Cali? Quote please?

But anyways, since you say that... isn't Cali a state in the United States? Doesn't he lead the United States?

 
2011-11-19 10:56:42 PM  
Yes, halfof33 is an annoying troll that many have learned to stop replying to. What a surprise...
 
2011-11-19 10:56:53 PM  

mcreadyblue: [www.newsmax.com image 271x186]
Giuliani said he delivered a speech at a high-level economic conference last week in China, where the first question posed to him involved the protests.

"This thing has gone around the globe, and it's beginning to characterize us," he said. "This is what they think we're about."

He described the protesters as "disgruntled bums" and "leftover hippies from the '60s and '70s."

"When I see them on television sometimes, particularly the older ones, it looks like I'm seeing the leftover effects of having taken too many drugs when they were 20 years old," he said. "They make no sense. They babble."


I question the intelligence of any entity that asked Rudy to speak about anything ever.
 
2011-11-19 10:57:33 PM  
I do feel bad for the people that got pepper sprayed but... a cop using excessive force for little or no reason, yeah, only happens about ~1,000 times a day
 
2011-11-19 10:58:18 PM  
Keyser_Soze_Death 2011-11-19 10:50:21 PM

jpo2269:
As I have said, the OWS folks have every right to protest, IMO, they could be doing so in a much more postive manner.

Well, FFS, get on out there an tell them exactly how they *should* be doing this sir, if you are so knowledgeable in this specific area


Not sure what "FFS" means, but given the fact these folks can't afford porta-potties, I doubt they could afford my services. But thank you for the suggestion.
 
2011-11-19 10:58:44 PM  
Link (new window)

According to the comments on this site, Occupiers will be stealing your house next so we have to mace them before that happens. Or something.
 
2011-11-19 10:59:06 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: quickdraw: Wait - you guys know these are campus cops right? This makes them basically one rung up from mall cops. They can't make arrests they can just hold you till the real cops get there. They can't write tickets either. What they can do is fark up your education if the university takes their side.

Ummmm... no. Or at least, not necessarily. I've worked at 2 universities where the campus PD was a real Police Department, with guns, arrests, a holding cell, and everything. From their website, I'd say the UC Davis police are also real cops.

With all the dickishness that entails.


Considering how intertwined the city and university are and the city would be little more then a gas station and Murder Burger stop between Sacramento and San Francisco I'm voting real cops.
 
2011-11-19 11:00:05 PM  

whidbey: Yes, halfof33 is an annoying troll that many have learned to stop replying to. What a surprise...


Hey, how is Occupy Venezuela coming, sport?

lulz.
 
2011-11-19 11:00:17 PM  

whidbey: Yes, halfof33 is an annoying troll that many have learned to stop replying to. What a surprise...


If he was at least an interesting troll-boy it might be entertaining.
 
2011-11-19 11:00:38 PM  
blog.al.com
 
2011-11-19 11:01:51 PM  
cdn.newsone.com
 
2011-11-19 11:01:54 PM  

goodwynn: [blog.al.com image 451x344]


Does Jockey Boy Restaurant still exist?
 
2011-11-19 11:02:34 PM  

vegasj: whidbey: I'm sorry you think he should be.

I see you can still be a dick. Where did I say I thought he should be the Governor of Cali? Quote please?

But anyways, since you say that... isn't Cali a state in the United States? Doesn't he lead the United States?


Vegas...or are you still Pennsyvaniaj? ;)

Your argument is ridiculous. Why do you think the President should get involved?

I mean, if it were an emergency, I could understand, but no.

Now, the Governor of California should be concerned about this sh*t. But I know he probably doesn't give a fark because he's not up for re-election.
 
2011-11-19 11:03:15 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-11-19 11:03:35 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: I do feel bad for the people that got pepper sprayed but... a cop using excessive force for little or no reason, yeah, only happens about ~1,000 times a day


Yes, but how often do you hear about it?
 
2011-11-19 11:04:03 PM  
farm1.static.flickr.com
 
2011-11-19 11:04:30 PM  

whidbey: Then start actually supporting this movement. Stop trying to see it from "both sides."


Citing that Obama is part of the problem is trying to see it from both sides?

If you can't see Obama is in bed with Wall Street, you need corrective lenses.
 
2011-11-19 11:04:54 PM  
It appeared that the cop:protester ratio was about 1:20, and the cops were threatening the mob with farking paintball guns?

The cops should be thanking their lucky stars that the protesters didn't decide to simply rip their arms and legs off, and leave them to bleed out on the ground, choking on their own pepper spray.
 
2011-11-19 11:04:57 PM  
newsone.com
 
2011-11-19 11:05:07 PM  

2wolves: whidbey: Yes, halfof33 is an annoying troll that many have learned to stop replying to. What a surprise...

If he was at least an interesting troll-boy it might be entertaining.


Yeah a bit too herky-jerky for me, too. He kind of reminds me of that incomprehensible Indian on "Go Go Gophers."

/severly dating myself
 
2011-11-19 11:05:35 PM  

quickdraw: Wait - you guys know these are campus cops right? This makes them basically one rung up from mall cops. They can't make arrests they can just hold you till the real cops get there. They can't write tickets either. What they can do is fark up your education if the university takes their side.


Nice try, but the University of California police departments (most, if not all, campuses have their own department) are fully licensed police departments. They can make arrests, they can write citations, and they can fark up your education.

/Graduated from UC, Irvine
//Go Anteaters!
 
2011-11-19 11:07:03 PM  
www.keeptalkinggreece.com
 
2011-11-19 11:07:34 PM  

BroVinny: whidbey: Then start actually supporting this movement. Stop trying to see it from "both sides."

Citing that Obama is part of the problem is trying to see it from both sides?

If you can't see Obama is in bed with Wall Street, you need corrective lenses.


The big disconnect between us:

I really don't see how he had a choice. And you also seem to forget who it was who left us with this colossal klstrfk of an economic recession, and who might have done things differently to stop things from happening the way they did.

Yes, the Bush administration. But you keep blaming the guy who was stuck with cleaning it up, and pretending he has amazing dictatorial powers that Bush thought he had.
 
2011-11-19 11:08:47 PM  

2wolves: If he was at least an interesting troll-boy it might be entertaining.


You mad, gramps?

/I searched your posts in this thread. You really brought it man, keep on repeating the party line.

Say hi to Whidbey for me!
 
2011-11-19 11:09:31 PM  

quickdraw: Wait - you guys know these are campus cops right? This makes them basically one rung up from mall cops. They can't make arrests they can just hold you till the real cops get there. They can't write tickets either. What they can do is fark up your education if the university takes their side.


must be different from place to place. Some campus police have all the powers and are under the umbrella of state police.
 
2011-11-19 11:09:56 PM  

whidbey: Why do you think the President should get involved?


He can chime up for Egypt's protests but not the US's.

I believe that is the point of the picture and quote.

Still in Pittsburgh, love it.

 
2011-11-19 11:10:01 PM  
img.secretchina.com
 
2011-11-19 11:10:45 PM  
Meanwhile, teabaggers giggle and point from their darkened apartments.

Link (new window)

Look, 'baggers, there are a lot of right-wingers who thirst for fascism -- we know this. You'll give up any freedom you have to lick the boots of the strongman. Some people try to hide this urge, while some present like a red-assed female baboon just yearning to be reamed.

Too bad that Mitt Romney is the closest thing they have to an alpha-monkey this time 'round.
 
2011-11-19 11:10:49 PM  
www.chowrangi.com
 
2011-11-19 11:11:57 PM  

jpo2269: Keyser_Soze_Death 2011-11-19 10:50:21 PM

jpo2269:
As I have said, the OWS folks have every right to protest, IMO, they could be doing so in a much more postive manner.


Well, FFS, get on out there an tell them exactly how they *should* be doing this sir, if you are so knowledgeable in this specific area

Not sure what "FFS" means,

Aren't you not a big boy, who knows how to google things?


but given the fact these folks can't afford porta-potties, I doubt they could afford my services. But thank you for the suggestion.

Then you have absolutely no business breathing the same oxygen, or telling other people how they should stage their protest.
 
2011-11-19 11:12:08 PM  
nehandaradio.com
 
2011-11-19 11:13:39 PM  

whidbey: Peter von Nostrand: I do feel bad for the people that got pepper sprayed but... a cop using excessive force for little or no reason, yeah, only happens about ~1,000 times a day

Yes, but how often do you hear about it?


I've seen it happen in person on a number of occasions
 
2011-11-19 11:16:55 PM  
www.travelersdigest.com
 
2011-11-19 11:18:14 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-11-19 11:18:41 PM  

whidbey: BroVinny: whidbey: Then start actually supporting this movement. Stop trying to see it from "both sides."

Citing that Obama is part of the problem is trying to see it from both sides?

If you can't see Obama is in bed with Wall Street, you need corrective lenses.

The big disconnect between us:

I really don't see how he had a choice. And you also seem to forget who it was who left us with this colossal klstrfk of an economic recession, and who might have done things differently to stop things from happening the way they did.

Yes, the Bush administration. But you keep blaming the guy who was stuck with cleaning it up, and pretending he has amazing dictatorial powers that Bush thought he had.


Bush was corrupt, too, Do you see me saying otherwise?

But guess what. The Bush recession ended. We had a period of growth, however short, under Obama, and now we're in a recession again. Whose is this one? Even Joe Biden admitted that the current economic issues were this Administration's responsibility.

Steve Jobs, colossal jerk that he was, had something right, I think, when he said the new index isn't conservative/liberal, it's constructive/destructive. Bush was definitely destructive. I think Obama is, as well.

As far as not having dictatorial powers, Obama could at very least state in a press conference his disapproval of the use of excessive force against the protesters. Sometimes the right word said by the right person at the right time is all that is needed.
 
2011-11-19 11:20:19 PM  

vegasj: whidbey: Why do you think the President should get involved?

He can chime up for Egypt's protests but not the US's.

I believe that is the point of the picture and quote.

Still in Pittsburgh, love it.


I would imagine that, given the current political climate, and the caliber of right-wing dipsh*ts he has to deal with daily, that it's probably a good idea for Obama to stay out of weighing in on this.

And I've heard some good things about Pittsburgh. Glad to hear. :)
 
2011-11-19 11:20:52 PM  
k.wigflip.com
 
2011-11-19 11:22:30 PM  
Self defense? If this cop felt so threatened, why didn't he have his face shield down to protect himself?

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2011-11-19 11:22:30 PM  

balls to the: [a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net image 320x212]


They have so little actual support that they resort to holding 2+ signs apiece. How sad.
 
2011-11-19 11:23:53 PM  

BroVinny: Steve Jobs, colossal jerk that he was, had something right, I think, when he said the new index isn't conservative/liberal, it's constructive/destructive. Bush was definitely destructive. I think Obama is, as well.


I'm not seeing that at all. While I do agree that it's this administration's responsibility to get sh*t done, I can't imagine much WOULD get done with the mess we were handed.

I'd be content to ride this out until the end of this term and see what happens.

The real problem is the Republican grandstanding.
 
2011-11-19 11:24:11 PM  
UC Davis Chancellor Kotehi walks to her car (new window), surrounded by entirely silent protestors.
 
2011-11-19 11:25:26 PM  
i43.tinypic.com

Is there some sort of national database with all the police and their badge numbers? If not this should be put together. That way, anytime a cop is caught committing an act of police brutality we can cross-reference their badge number (and face recognition software from FB if needed) and file the brutality reports with the local Internal Affairs unit, City Hall, state and US legislative representatives.

We can flip the script on them: in stead of a Police State with them wielding cameras at us, we will turn it into a Citizen's State with us wielding the cameras at them.

And the beauty of it all: we have a lot more cameras than they do.
 
2011-11-19 11:25:33 PM  

whidbey: BroVinny: Steve Jobs, colossal jerk that he was, had something right, I think, when he said the new index isn't conservative/liberal, it's constructive/destructive. Bush was definitely destructive. I think Obama is, as well.

I'm not seeing that at all. While I do agree that it's this administration's responsibility to get sh*t done, I can't imagine much WOULD get done with the mess we were handed.

I'd be content to ride this out until the end of this term and see what happens.

The real problem is the Republican political grandstanding.


Fixed that for you.
 
2011-11-19 11:26:40 PM  

whidbey: And I've heard some good things about Pittsburgh. Glad to hear. :)


yea, cool people... fun things to do.... and nice weather. Defiantly better than 120 f;n degree summers

 
2011-11-19 11:26:50 PM  

Doc Lee: silence


Here's your moment, Doc Lee. UC Davis students stand silently in protest as the chancellor walks to her car.
 
2011-11-19 11:26:57 PM  

Keyser_Soze_Death: whidbey: BroVinny: Steve Jobs, colossal jerk that he was, had something right, I think, when he said the new index isn't conservative/liberal, it's constructive/destructive. Bush was definitely destructive. I think Obama is, as well.

I'm not seeing that at all. While I do agree that it's this administration's responsibility to get sh*t done, I can't imagine much WOULD get done with the mess we were handed.

I'd be content to ride this out until the end of this term and see what happens.

The real problem is the Republican political grandstanding.

Fixed that for you.


Um...nothing was wrong with that post.

How, exactly, are the Democrats "grandstanding?
 
2011-11-19 11:27:29 PM  
i.imgur.com

Classy.
 
2011-11-19 11:27:50 PM  

whidbey: I would imagine that, given the current political climate, and the caliber of right-wing dipsh*ts he has to deal with daily, that it's probably a good idea for Obama to stay out of weighing in on this.


I can see the political wisdom, I can. But goshdarn it would be nice to see a little populist heroism out of someone. Maybe someone could at least say "Hey, they have a point, we sold the country to a rich, select few, it was a mistake, and it's time to stop it." Nobody ever says this, and it would be nice if the president would pick a side, because there really are only two.
 
2011-11-19 11:28:05 PM  

whidbey: The real problem is the Republican grandstanding.


The problem transcends party lines. So does the solution.
 
2011-11-19 11:28:16 PM  
YEEARGH! *Heart explodes*
 
2011-11-19 11:29:06 PM  
Oh, dammit, I got my threads mixed up.

/Though I guess that comment works here, too.
 
2011-11-19 11:30:30 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: whidbey: I would imagine that, given the current political climate, and the caliber of right-wing dipsh*ts he has to deal with daily, that it's probably a good idea for Obama to stay out of weighing in on this.

I can see the political wisdom, I can. But goshdarn it would be nice to see a little populist heroism out of someone. Maybe someone could at least say "Hey, they have a point, we sold the country to a rich, select few, it was a mistake, and it's time to stop it." Nobody ever says this, and it would be nice if the president would pick a side, because there really are only two.


I understand. But I don't think it's going to happen with this Presidency. There are already too many things they've taken on that take up all their time and effort.

And I hate to say it, but Obama even mentioning this incident would very likely cause another stupid sh*tstorm.

Which is why I say let Obama have another term to do something real, and then elect another Democrat who might then be in a position to offer more extroverted leadership.
 
2011-11-19 11:31:31 PM  

whidbey: Keyser_Soze_Death: whidbey: BroVinny: Steve Jobs, colossal jerk that he was, had something right, I think, when he said the new index isn't conservative/liberal, it's constructive/destructive. Bush was definitely destructive. I think Obama is, as well.

I'm not seeing that at all. While I do agree that it's this administration's responsibility to get sh*t done, I can't imagine much WOULD get done with the mess we were handed.

I'd be content to ride this out until the end of this term and see what happens.

The real problem is the Republican political grandstanding.

Fixed that for you.

Um...nothing was wrong with that post.

How, exactly, are the Democrats "grandstanding?


As long as you perceive all of this as "us vs. them" you are a HUGE part of the problem.

I'll direct you here if you are still clueless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI
 
2011-11-19 11:31:55 PM  

vegasj: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x333]"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Meh. That Amendment isn't as important as the next one. Try to mess with THAT one and then you'll get the anti-OWS crowd really mad.
 
2011-11-19 11:31:58 PM  

BroVinny: whidbey: The real problem is the Republican grandstanding.

The problem transcends party lines. So does the solution.


You're welcome to jump on whatever bandwagon there is to start another party.

Me, I'm going to play Democrat for at least another 8 years.
 
2011-11-19 11:32:19 PM  

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: You know, for all the skill in ruthlessly ammassing wealth that they have, the bankers and brokers running the whole show don't have that much guile or intuition. One would think that they'd wait for winter and have the protesters trudge away bit by bit in the bitter cold. Instead they're handing the pissed off masses more guilotine lumber with all the goon-on-student brutality in every frigging news cycle.


The Kleptocrats don't have skill. They just grab all the tools and steal.
 
2011-11-19 11:33:29 PM  

Keyser_Soze_Death: As long as you perceive all of this as "us vs. them" you are a HUGE part of the problem.

I'll direct you here if you are still clueless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI


Um, no. That's not an answer. If you're really that cynical about the system, stay home next year so my guy has a chance at winning.
 
2011-11-19 11:33:50 PM  

halfof33: 2wolves: If he was at least an interesting troll-boy it might be entertaining.

You mad, gramps?

/I searched your posts in this thread. You really brought it man, keep on repeating the party line.

Say hi to Whidbey for me!


I'm expressing a personal opinion. You may be very proud of yourself, to me you're just another weak pseudo-conservative. Fark has lots of those.
 
2011-11-19 11:34:19 PM  

Sheila_McSly: Doc Lee: silence

Here's your moment, Doc Lee. UC Davis students stand silently in protest as the chancellor walks to her car.


Awkward.
 
2011-11-19 11:34:35 PM  
Like it or not, investors want an educated workforce. Labor costs are the chief cost of running a business. China and India have 5 times more labor apiee than the U.S., and we rank 30th in the world in education. Therefore, investors don't need the American workforce until that workforce becomes more educated. Ultimately, it I the responsibility of each citizen to become educated. Acquire a unique skill and you will make great money. Wallow in mediocrity and you get what you're worth. Protest the inequities all day long, but you aren't offering any constructive solution - you're whining because others reap the rewards for accomplishment while you've only accomplished 15 minutes of fame by getting pepper sprayed in the face.
 
2011-11-19 11:35:13 PM  

Keyser_Soze_Death: I'll direct you here if you are still clueless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI


Damn if that doesn't ring truer than anything politicians say.
 
2011-11-19 11:35:23 PM  

2wolves: I'm expressing a personal opinion. You may be very proud of yourself, to me you're just another weak pseudo-conservative. Fark has lots of those.


Really. So much for the "real opposition."
 
2011-11-19 11:36:41 PM  

usernameguy: UC Davis Chancellor Kotehi walks to her car (new window), surrounded by entirely silent protestors.


Nice. I would have liked to have seen the protestors stand up and turn their backs to her one by one.
 
2011-11-19 11:37:41 PM  

Sheila_McSly: Doc Lee: silence

Here's your moment, Doc Lee. UC Davis students stand silently in protest as the chancellor walks to her car.


Wow. Shunned by the UC Davis faculty. Shunned by the UC Davis students. Not a very effective place to be given her job requirements. My guess is she will soon announce she has decided to spend more time with her family.
 
2011-11-19 11:39:22 PM  

whidbey: Keyser_Soze_Death: As long as you perceive all of this as "us vs. them" you are a HUGE part of the problem.

I'll direct you here if you are still clueless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI

Um, no. That's not an answer. If you're really that cynical about the system, stay home next year so my guy has a chance at winning.


The fact that you are taking a side when the best solution is to play an entirely different game only illuminates your ignorance.
 
2011-11-19 11:39:24 PM  

Worst.Fark handle. ever.: Every time someone invents a new way of suppression, be it a tazer or a sonic cannon, which is meant as a LAST RESORT to save an officer's life, you can damn well expect it to be used as some lazy pig's FIRST resort.

/Every cop is a grown-up Eric Cartman


Too bad damn near every police commissioner in the country would rather have more bodies than they need, than the sort of professional, respectable, reliable police force we'd create by actually punishing such petty tyrants as this guy.
 
2011-11-19 11:39:55 PM  

NotoriousFire: But whether you call me a moron for stating irrelevant fact


FTFY
 
2011-11-19 11:41:27 PM  

whidbey: evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed.


[obey.jpg]

Yeah, but without the glasses, that would be like, titties or something.
 
2011-11-19 11:43:43 PM  

balls to the: [a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net image 320x212]


Westboro is not a threat to anything. OWS is.

/Came here to see if anyone made a reference to Brave Sir Robin in the comments.
//Leaving unsatisfied.
 
2011-11-19 11:43:50 PM  

s2s2s2: whidbey: evil saltine: Don't break the law, don't get pepper sprayed.

[obey.jpg]

Yeah, but without the glasses, that would be like, titties or something.


Nah, the titties all resolved to "breed"
 
2011-11-19 11:43:59 PM  

Wyalt Derp: UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza defended her officers' actions to KCRA. She argued that it just wasn't safe for students to camp on the quad. "It's not safe for multiple reasons," Spicuzza said.

The main one being that thug cops are going to attack them with chemical weapons.


Seriously. Does she really expect anyone to buy pepper-spraying as an appropriate response to students putting themselves in danger? "Oh no! That cliff-edge is dangerous, get away from it!" *tazer*.
 
2011-11-19 11:44:19 PM  

whidbey: You're welcome to jump on whatever bandwagon there is to start another party.

Me, I'm going to play Democrat for at least another 8 years.


I get that you're not playing, though. I think your tribal affiliation runs deep, deeper than your ties to the Occupy movement, which you support because it happens to coincide with your tribal leanings.

And hey, if that's the case, there's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes that sort of thing becomes embedded, like a tattoo. I fought like hell to get over my glorification of Republicanism, so I know it's hard. So if you can't, don't feel too bad; just be the best you you can be.
 
2011-11-19 11:45:19 PM  
Chancellor Kotehi has all of tomorrow and a bit of Monday to polish a great coprolite.

Let's see how she does.
 
2011-11-19 11:46:32 PM  

2wolves: Chancellor Kotehi has all of tomorrow and a bit of Monday to polish a great coprolite.

Let's see how she does.


Learned a new word. Thanks, 2wolves!
 
2011-11-19 11:48:13 PM  

2wolves: Chancellor Kotehi has all of tomorrow and a bit of Monday to polish a great coprolite.

Let's see how she does.


Excellent fossil/dino reference. I still have some of those laying about from the Nixon administration.
 
2011-11-19 11:49:06 PM  

BroVinny: 2wolves: Chancellor Kotehi has all of tomorrow and a bit of Monday to polish a great coprolite.

Let's see how she does.

Learned a new word. Thanks, 2wolves!


I exist but to serve.
 
2011-11-19 11:53:27 PM  
Yep, I knew ya wouldn't like it! South Korea is doing pretty well now for some reason, too.
 
2011-11-19 11:53:58 PM  

Sheila_McSly: Doc Lee: silence

Here's your moment, Doc Lee. UC Davis students stand silently in protest as the chancellor walks to her car.


Do you see that? Do you? That's effective. Speaking nothing speaks volumes.
 
2011-11-19 11:55:01 PM  
A problem with the main picture in this thread is it lacks the kicking them when they are down as he walks back and forth hosing them down again and again and again.

Perhaps an animated .gif would work if it didn't just turn the whole frame orange as it looped and looped and looped.
 
2011-11-19 11:55:29 PM  

SkinnyHead: NkThrasher: Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT

Headwaters case is completely different. That case was where police put tear gas in eyes using Q-tips. The arretees were already under arrest and in complete control of police,

In Davis, the police were confronted with an uncontrolled, disobedient and defiant mob that was affiliated with a radical protest group known for rioting and clashing with police. That presented a much more dangerous situation.


You know, we've had some laughs with your self-admitted trollery, but you just aren't funny any more. Just stop.
 
2011-11-20 12:00:00 AM  
Have we lost our minds? How can you justify the violence we are witnessing? Forced ingestion of pepper spray, flash bangs thrown at people trying to help an unconscious person, savage beatings for the crime of locking arms and refusing to disperse, beating a former army ranger, breaking three of his ribs and farking up his spleen. In all of these instances people were resisting, but resisting non-violently.

Maybe I should expect this after Abu Gareb, Gitmo, renditions, and torture. Well, not with those activities, per se, but the public's cheering for these practices. This is what happens when we pass misguided drug laws that lead to regular para-military raids on people's homes. This is what happens when we approve of water boarding. This is what happens when we have lost our way.
 
2011-11-20 12:00:03 AM  

2wolves: 'm expressing a personal opinion.


Really?

Seems like you just borrowed Whidbey's.
 
2011-11-20 12:03:57 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.


And the answer to "how much pepper spray should be used in this case?" remains "none". Funny, that.
 
2011-11-20 12:04:37 AM  
Man. Farking cops. (new window)


/passed by this scene on my way home from dinner, tonight.
//but Baylor beat OU.
 
2011-11-20 12:04:52 AM  

halfof33: 2wolves: 'm expressing a personal opinion.

Really?

Seems like you just borrowed Whidbey's.


Your ability to quote appears to also be weak.

Have a nice day.
 
2011-11-20 12:06:11 AM  

hubcity: And the answer to "how much pepper spray should be used in this case?" remains "none". Funny, that.


You know.... I admit I hadn't seen the video. Until now.

Here is another view that just came on line

We are all the OWS (new window)
 
2011-11-20 12:06:54 AM  

SkinnyHead: NkThrasher: Oh, and the police were wrong. HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT

Headwaters case is completely different. That case was where police put tear gas in eyes using Q-tips. The arretees were already under arrest and in complete control of police,


Nope, they were handcuffed to a tree.
 
2011-11-20 12:07:04 AM  

s2s2s2: Man. Farking cops. (new window)


/passed by this scene on my way home from dinner, tonight.
//but Baylor beat OU.


My bud will be crushed. He wears the whole Sooner fan clothing get up, make special Sooner snacks, etc.
 
2011-11-20 12:09:02 AM  
When can we start shoving ghost peppers up the asses of these authoritarian santorum rags?
 
2011-11-20 12:10:40 AM  

cybrwzrd: When can we start shoving ghost peppers up the asses of these authoritarian santorum rags?


You have odd fetishes.
 
2011-11-20 12:11:12 AM  

cybrwzrd: When can we start shoving ghost peppers up the asses of these authoritarian santorum rags?


Fark: Where all your rhetorical questions will be answered
 
2011-11-20 12:11:28 AM  

cybrwzrd: When can we start shoving ghost peppers up the asses of these authoritarian santorum rags?


I don't know, ya gotta take us out for dinner first.
 
2011-11-20 12:12:08 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-20 12:16:52 AM  

evilmousse: course, the pinkertons & strikebreakers during teddy's era were fine with using clubs, so it's not like the problem is new.


Pinkertons had no problems using guns, either. (new window)
 
2011-11-20 12:17:57 AM  

cybrwzrd: When can we start shoving ghost peppers up the asses of these authoritarian santorum rags?


I say we make a ghost pepper coulis and inject it up that guy's urethra. From the look of his trousers, his peen is about 2" long and sticks straight out anyway, so it shouldn't be too difficult to get a good pathway.
 
2011-11-20 12:18:56 AM  
Cops make $110k/year, but teachers are evil for wanting more than the pittance they get.

This is why we can't have a nice country.
 
2011-11-20 12:24:00 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I say we make a ghost pepper coulis and inject it up that guy's urethra. From the look of his trousers, his peen is about 2" long and sticks straight out anyway, so it shouldn't be too difficult to get a good pathway.


Might be inverted.

That would be tricky.
 
2011-11-20 12:25:40 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: From the look of his trousers, his peen is about 2" long and sticks straight out anyway


I will not scroll up I will not scroll up I will not scroll up I will not scroll up
 
2011-11-20 12:29:09 AM  

halfof33: hubcity: And the answer to "how much pepper spray should be used in this case?" remains "none". Funny, that.

You know.... I admit I hadn't seen the video. Until now.

Here is another view that just came on line

We are all the OWS (new window)


That was evil.
 
2011-11-20 12:29:51 AM  

BroVinny: Benevolent Misanthrope: I say we make a ghost pepper coulis and inject it up that guy's urethra. From the look of his trousers, his peen is about 2" long and sticks straight out anyway, so it shouldn't be too difficult to get a good pathway.

Might be inverted.

That would be tricky.


No, I'm convinced it's just tiny.

usernameguy: Benevolent Misanthrope: From the look of his trousers, his peen is about 2" long and sticks straight out anyway

I will not scroll up I will not scroll up I will not scroll up I will not scroll up


But you did glance, didn't you. Yes, you did. I know you did. It's okay to admit it.
 
2011-11-20 12:30:53 AM  

ongbok: A Dark Evil Omen: WhyteRaven74: slc11082: What is the problem here?

What justification was there for telling people to disperse?

Justification? They're cops. What kind of hippie crap is this asking for "justification"? They can tell you to do whatever they want to, and if you don't, watch the fark out. Now pick up that can, citizen.

If they were on public property and being peaceful according to Edwards v South Carolina there was no justification. (new window) The sad thing is that people are taught that as citizens we have no rights when it comes to the police and we have to obey their every order.


B-b-but the cops SAID something.
 
2011-11-20 12:39:49 AM  

jpo2269: Seriously though.. At what time did this officer spray the protestors? If it was after 3 pm, they did have fair warning to disperse and if they chose to ignore said warning, they had to expect something would happen and given the potential options pepper spray is one of the least harmful results that could have happened.


Oh hai, jackbooted thug. Sorry, UC Davis can't declare martial law. You would wipe with the Constitution, wouldn't you? Just because you hate hippies.
 
2011-11-20 12:40:19 AM  

halfof33: cybrwzrd: When can we start shoving ghost peppers up the asses of these authoritarian santorum rags?

I don't know, ya gotta take us out for dinner first.


So you are an authoritarian santorum rag too? If my tax dollars are paying for you can I demand that you be fired then?

I generally distrust the police(for obvious reasons- they hate those they are there to serve), but those who admit that they support the actions of this scumbag deserve a quick path to unemployment and a cardboard box for a home under the nearest bridge.
 
2011-11-20 12:41:03 AM  
Cops who do things like this need to be fired then tried for assault. We can't have a civilized society when our police are allowed to act like they are above the law.
 
2011-11-20 12:42:47 AM  

cybrwzrd: I generally distrust the police(for obvious reasons- they hate those they are there to serve)


To be fair, human beings are a generally hateful lot.

/cynic
 
2011-11-20 12:43:03 AM  

WhyteRaven74: SunsetLament: anyone intentionally making their jobs more difficult is an asshole and deserves what they get

The cops made things difficult, they could've done nothing, they could've written tickets. Instead they decided to come out in riot gear and use tear gas. They chose poorly.


Apparently not.
 
2011-11-20 12:44:03 AM  

Befuddled: Cops who do things like this need to be fired then tried for assault. We can't have a civilized society when our police are allowed to act like they are above the law.


comicrelated.com
 
2011-11-20 12:46:19 AM  
Pepper spray is a weapon, and should not be used except in cases where the officer needs to use force. These protestors, if it was necessary and they refused an order to clear the quad, could have been arrested, cuffed and taken away.

There was no need to use the level of force displayed. There was no imminent danger, no need to protect himself, combat an unruly crowd or disperse rioters.

It was done for no other reason than to hurt people. It is indefensible in any moral, ethical or legal framework and cannot be countenanced.
 
2011-11-20 12:49:11 AM  

Delay: Self defense? If this cop felt so threatened, why didn't he have his face shield down to protect himself?

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He looks terrified.
 
2011-11-20 12:50:06 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Sabyen91: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Didn't read the first page, but wondering how much time the police spent trying to get the protesters to leave before using force. I would guess it was a while, but the video that implies they just walked up and sprayed the folks is far more powerful.

/those folks looked like they knew and were ready to get sprayed. Now you're a hippie hero.

Students should leave the quad in the middle of the day?

When police tell you to move, you move.

Should you elect not to, well, whatever happens after is your elective decision.

I've been around a lot of years and I've learned to do what authorities tell me to do. If all citizens decided that they could always over rule what our legal and justice system says......i'm not sure what country that woud even equate us to.



Nope, if an officer tells you to stip nakid, you don't have to because it is an illegal order. Cops do not have absolute authority. In this case, they had no legal right to tell them to move. No, you don't always do what a cop tells you, since they are not the law. These cops are not Judge Dread.
 
2011-11-20 12:51:15 AM  

usernameguy: UC Davis Chancellor Kotehi walks to her car (new window), surrounded by entirely silent protestors.


Wow, I bet she is having nightmares tonight. That is creepy.
 
2011-11-20 12:54:10 AM  

cybrwzrd: I generally distrust the police(for obvious reasons- they hate those they are there to serve), but those who admit that they support the actions of this scumbag deserve a quick path to unemployment and a cardboard box for a home under the nearest bridge.


Hey, then I can be part of the OWS!

lulz.
 
2011-11-20 12:54:15 AM  

whidbey: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: whidbey: I would imagine that, given the current political climate, and the caliber of right-wing dipsh*ts he has to deal with daily, that it's probably a good idea for Obama to stay out of weighing in on this.

I can see the political wisdom, I can. But goshdarn it would be nice to see a little populist heroism out of someone. Maybe someone could at least say "Hey, they have a point, we sold the country to a rich, select few, it was a mistake, and it's time to stop it." Nobody ever says this, and it would be nice if the president would pick a side, because there really are only two.

I understand. But I don't think it's going to happen with this Presidency. There are already too many things they've taken on that take up all their time and effort.

And I hate to say it, but Obama even mentioning this incident would very likely cause another stupid sh*tstorm.

Which is why I say let Obama have another term to do something real, and then elect another Democrat who might then be in a position to offer more extroverted leadership.


Eventually he is going to have to take a stand and make some type of statement either way about this like Kennedy did with the Civil Rights movement. Unfortunately for him it is probably going to be forced on him to come during his re-election campaign. Hopefully he does like Kennedy and does the right thing and come out in favor of democracy and do everything he can to protect the protestors despite how it hurts him politically.
 
2011-11-20 12:55:08 AM  

Keyser_Soze_Death: whidbey: Keyser_Soze_Death: whidbey: BroVinny: Steve Jobs, colossal jerk that he was, had something right, I think, when he said the new index isn't conservative/liberal, it's constructive/destructive. Bush was definitely destructive. I think Obama is, as well.

I'm not seeing that at all. While I do agree that it's this administration's responsibility to get sh*t done, I can't imagine much WOULD get done with the mess we were handed.

I'd be content to ride this out until the end of this term and see what happens.

The real problem is the Republican political grandstanding.

Fixed that for you.

Um...nothing was wrong with that post.

How, exactly, are the Democrats "grandstanding?

As long as you perceive all of this as "us vs. them" you are a HUGE part of the problem.

I'll direct you here if you are still clueless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI


You don't understand. Despite the media's narrative the OWS is not a partisan movement. If Obama comes out in support it certainly will be. That is why I wanted him to stay out of the Wisconsin fight. His involvement would do nothing but drive some sympathetic to the cause people away.
 
2011-11-20 01:05:41 AM  

Cyclometh: Pepper spray is a weapon, and should not be used except in cases where the officer needs to use force. These protestors, if it was necessary and they refused an order to clear the quad, could have been arrested, cuffed and taken away.

There was no need to use the level of force displayed. There was no imminent danger, no need to protect himself, combat an unruly crowd or disperse rioters.

It was done for no other reason than to hurt people. It is indefensible in any moral, ethical or legal framework and cannot be countenanced.


...except by UC Davis, who has their spokestroll in full spin mode defending the actions of this reprehensible scumbag.
 
2011-11-20 01:17:40 AM  
This is police brutality. No doubt. If this cop is acting outside of the scope of his orders he needs to be fired for using a excessive force on unarmed protesters. Now having said that here is what so many of us find disgusting about OWS supporters:

Your complete inability to think things through:

1. A single act by a single individual does not mean it was authorized or condoned by authorities.

2. The idea that there is some mythical "1%" that controls everything is nothing short of psychotic paranoia.

3. The idea that corporations want unemployment and/or economic hardship is idiotic.

4. The idea that "corporations" are some monolithic force. Corporations are competing business entities.
 
2011-11-20 01:19:18 AM  

Antedeus: This is police brutality. No doubt. If this cop is acting outside of the scope of his orders he needs to be fired for using a excessive force on unarmed protesters. Now having said that here is what so many of us find disgusting about OWS supporters:

Your complete inability to think things through:

1. A single act by a single individual does not mean it was authorized or condoned by authorities.

2. The idea that there is some mythical "1%" that controls everything is nothing short of psychotic paranoia.

3. The idea that corporations want unemployment and/or economic hardship is idiotic.

4. The idea that "corporations" are some monolithic force. Corporations are competing business entities.


Yes, it was 1 person. Really?
 
2011-11-20 01:22:49 AM  

halfof33: cybrwzrd: I generally distrust the police(for obvious reasons- they hate those they are there to serve), but those who admit that they support the actions of this scumbag deserve a quick path to unemployment and a cardboard box for a home under the nearest bridge.

Hey, then I can be part of the OWS!

lulz.


Naw, you could be a part of bum fights though as a parting gift.
 
2011-11-20 01:31:01 AM  

Antedeus: This is police brutality. No doubt. If this cop is acting outside of the scope of his orders he needs to be fired for using a excessive force on unarmed protesters. Now having said that here is what so many of us find disgusting about OWS supporters:

Your complete inability to think things through:

1. A single act by a single individual does not mean it was authorized or condoned by authorities.


Okay, overzealous staffer, got it...

2. The idea that there is some mythical "1%" that controls everything is nothing short of psychotic paranoia.

So the idea that the wealth and power in this country is concentrated in the hand of a powerful few and that the average citizen has no real voice or representation in government is "psychotic paranoia"? How's that now? I've heard lots of arguments against our movement but this is the first time I've run into someone with the temerity to come out and say "the problem you're talking about does not exist".

3. The idea that corporations want unemployment and/or economic hardship is idiotic.

Capitalist interests rely on and thrive with a labor market balanced against workers. This isn't "idiotic" or a conspiracy theory, it's basic farking economics.

4. The idea that "corporations" are some monolithic force. Corporations are competing business entities.

With some very nasty unifying features: A total lack of public accountability, a predatory nature (ie, being profit-driven to the exclusion of all other considerations), the ability to organize capital to give this unaccountable, predatory entity a disproportionate voice in government, and a de jure status as "person" that ultimately gives these "persons" far more actual rights than real people. Not all incorporated entities are the ones that are currently screwing us, but, given the current political structure, all, when sufficiently large, are inevitably dangerous to the health of the political and economic climate in this country.
 
2011-11-20 01:34:34 AM  
i14.photobucket.com
 
2011-11-20 01:37:08 AM  

Antedeus: Your complete inability to think things through:

1. A single act by a single individual does not mean it was authorized or condoned by authorities.


A police officer acting in his role as a servant of the people with other officers around him not only not stopping him but apparently assisting in his spaying says to me that he was both authorized and it was condoned. But please, show evidence this cop was a loose cannon that the others were trying desperately to stop.

2. The idea that there is some mythical "1%" that controls everything is nothing short of psychotic paranoia.

It's not paranoia. No one ever said the 1% were an organization. The point, since you clearly are incapable of "thinking things through" is that an inordinate amount of wealth is focused in the hands of a very tiny portion of the population. Please google the terms "income inequality" and "wealth gap".

3. The idea that corporations want unemployment and/or economic hardship is idiotic.

Corporations are not a monolithic organization. Some corporations definitely DO want high unemployment and economic hardship. These corporations are typically known as banks or hedge funds, which make money by shorting stock and withholding cash flow and basically holding the world economy hostage. Other corporations, on the other hand, simply follow the lead of the moneymakers. Also, if they can fire four people and make the fifth do all the work for no pay increase, they will do so, because a corporation is not there to simply employ people - it's there to make a profit. It is greed shaped into reality. Nothing wrong with that, mind you, but corporations don't hire people out of the goodness of their heart - corporations don't have hearts.

Or in short - corporations aren't people. They can't have feelings. They also should never have rights, as they are not people and not "endowed by their creator" with anything.

4. The idea that "corporations" are some monolithic force. Corporations are competing business entities.

Correct, they are, but they are competing entities with a single goal - make as much money as possible with as few resources as possible. Unfortunately the overwhelming ethos at the corporate level is that people do not matter, the world around the corporation does not matter. Nothing matters but a number on a spreadsheet at the end of each quarter. The leadership of most companies have no concept of how interconnected they are. 10,000 people laid off from a manufacturing plant? That couldn't possibly affect Mr. Restaurant Chain Owner...except now 10,000 people can't afford to eat at his place...so he lays people off, which causes problems for the gas station, etc. etc.

The people who run corporations like to think they exist in a bubble. They do not. They're learning the price for that idiocy.

As for people not thinking things through, perhaps you should do a little more research on things like how "Reaganomics" and "trickle down theory" and "the Laffer Curve" have caused more people to be under the poverty line than any time since the Great Depression, and how the top 1% now hold a dangerously large amount of the nation's wealth. I'll give you a hint, the last time a nation was this imbalanced in wealth distribution, we got the entertaining story of the lost princess, Anastasia, and Mr. Lenin came to power in a certain country.
 
2011-11-20 01:37:30 AM  
It's events like this that make me completely unsurprised when I see an article about a cop being assassinated. Like last month when that guy just randomly walked up to a cop car and shot a cop in the face for no apparent reason. That did not surprise me one bit. A few years back when a couple bike cops were gunned down in a drive-by in Milwaukee, that didn't surprise me at all.

Keep it up, pigs. Things like this have been shown time and time again to garner more support for the protestors and more resentment towards you. Here in Madison I think the cops are viewed more favorably by the public than before all of the civil unrest was started by Walker. Why? Because they didn't resort to abuse of power.
 
2011-11-20 01:40:05 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Here in Madison I think the cops are viewed more favorably by the public than before all of the civil unrest was started by Walker. Why? Because they didn't resort to abuse of power.


The Madison/Wisconsin cops did a spectacular job of not being thugs.
 
2011-11-20 01:40:21 AM  

BroVinny: Post-script to whidbey:

In addition, this thread gives me something to do while waiting for pics to build up in the "yoga pants" thread. :-)


See y'all. I'm out.
 
2011-11-20 01:41:58 AM  
A UCD professor has set up an Amazon wish-list for tents. The goal is to cover the quad with tents, then cover it again with tents when those tents are torn down, then cover it again when those tents are torn down.
 
2011-11-20 01:43:06 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: BroVinny: Post-script to whidbey:

In addition, this thread gives me something to do while waiting for pics to build up in the "yoga pants" thread. :-)

See y'all. I'm out.


Only 1 thread controls 99% of the hot girls in yoga pants pics. #Occupy That Thread.
 
2011-11-20 01:44:06 AM  

usernameguy: A UCD professor has set up an Amazon wish-list for tents. The goal is to cover the quad with tents, then cover it again with tents when those tents are torn down, then cover it again when those tents are torn down.


That's intense.

/tents
 
2011-11-20 01:50:42 AM  

Antedeus: This is police brutality. No doubt. If this cop is acting outside of the scope of his orders he needs to be fired for using a excessive force on unarmed protesters. Now having said that here is what so many of us find disgusting about OWS supporters:

Your complete inability to think things through:

1. A single act by a single individual does not mean it was authorized or condoned by authorities.

2. The idea that there is some mythical "1%" that controls everything is nothing short of psychotic paranoia.

3. The idea that corporations want unemployment and/or economic hardship is idiotic.

4. The idea that "corporations" are some monolithic force. Corporations are competing business entities.


You sound very... concerned.
 
2011-11-20 01:51:16 AM  

Cyclometh: Cops make $110k/year, but teachers are evil for wanting more than the pittance they get.

This is why we can't have a nice country.


And don't forget volunteer firefighters.

Gotta love it: put out fires, don't expect pay! Pepper spray peaceful protestors, $110,000 per year! What a country!
 
2011-11-20 01:53:37 AM  

usernameguy: A UCD professor has set up an Amazon wish-list for tents. The goal is to cover the quad with tents, then cover it again with tents when those tents are torn down, then cover it again when those tents are torn down.


But the fourth one stayed up! And that's what you're going to get, lad. The strongest tent farm in all of UCD!
 
2011-11-20 01:53:43 AM  
And here's a petition on whitehouse.gov to ask the President to condemn the police insanity (new window). If it gets 25,000 signatures by December 19th, the President will issue a non-committal expression of concern for all parties or some useless shiat like that.
 
2011-11-20 01:59:12 AM  

usernameguy: And here's a petition on whitehouse.gov to ask the President to condemn the police insanity (new window). If it gets 25,000 signatures by December 19th, the President will issue a non-committal expression of concern for all parties or some useless shiat like that.


What would it accomplish? It would make it easier to pigeonhole them as a Democratic movement. It isn't a partisan movement and Obama needs to stay out of it (unless it becomes another Kent State).
 
2011-11-20 02:04:33 AM  
This thread reminds me how happy I am that many states are mandating drug testing for those on the government draw.
 
2011-11-20 02:12:50 AM  
Here's a second video of Thug Pike (new window) showing a second thug pepper spraying more students after Pike finishes.
 
2011-11-20 02:16:23 AM  
With all of this shopping of the pic of that asshole pepper spraying protestors, I'm surprised someone hasn't shopped Cartman in screaming "Goddamned hippies!"
 
2011-11-20 02:17:51 AM  

Friction8r: This thread reminds me how happy I am that many states are mandating drug testing for those on the government draw.


Why? Police officers generally will not be held to the same standard as your average worker in, say, a DHS or employment office.
 
2011-11-20 02:20:10 AM  

Sheila_McSly: Doc Lee: silence

Here's your moment, Doc Lee. UC Davis students stand silently in protest as the chancellor walks to her car.


That is amazing and powerful footage.
 
2011-11-20 02:30:16 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: The My Little Pony Killer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: IamKaiserSoze!!!: These were some folks who wanted to make a statement and were'nt going to leave in a calm manner.

Except if you watch the whole video you see some of their counterparts being cuffed and carried away in a very calm manner. And everyone in the opening group, even while being sprayed, was nothing but calm.

The video I watched only showed a few seconds before they were sprayed. I'm guessing, but may be wrong, that there was a whole lot of time before that during which the cops were trying to solve this in a non confrontational manner.

I assume you would guess they just walked up and started spraying......I doubt that was the case.

So you imagine a bunch of students acting like a mob until moments before the camera started rolling? They couldn't have just been sitting there the whole time?

Nope, I imagine that there was a lot of backstory that either was edited out of not captured. As much as you may hate or distrust cops, they have very structured protocals they have to follow and aren't given the option of simply pepper spraying or billyclubbing as much as many of our farklefts would like to say they do. They risk their careers/pensions/etc by acting outside what is allowed.

I know it's not as fun to think that these videos and reports might be slanted, but they most likely are.


I've never seen so many farking copsuckers around these parts as I have since OWS began.
 
2011-11-20 02:48:04 AM  
Some videos show that the crowd had encircled the police and chanted in unison: "MIC CHECK, IF YOU LET THEM GO, WE WILL LET YOU LEAVE." That sounds like a threat. The police were justified in using pepper spray to clear a path on the sidewalk.
 
2011-11-20 02:52:56 AM  

Cyclometh: Cops make $110k/year, but teachers are evil for wanting more than the pittance they get.

This is why we can't have a nice country.


I'd wager that the teachers in this sense make 2 to 6 times what he makes.
 
2011-11-20 02:54:55 AM  

Giltric: Cyclometh: Cops make $110k/year, but teachers are evil for wanting more than the pittance they get.

This is why we can't have a nice country.

I'd wager that the teachers in this sense make 2 to 6 times what he makes.


Ah yes, those horrible teachers. Must fit square into round hole to discredit them. At any cost.

/prove it
 
2011-11-20 02:55:15 AM  

SkinnyHead: Some videos show that the crowd had encircled the police and chanted in unison: "MIC CHECK, IF YOU LET THEM GO, WE WILL LET YOU LEAVE." That sounds like a threat. The police were justified in using pepper spray to clear a path on the sidewalk.


That was after the pepper spraying incident happened. Stop spreading lies.
 
2011-11-20 02:57:16 AM  
i.imgur.com
he's relishing it
 
2011-11-20 03:01:53 AM  

whidbey: Giltric: Cyclometh: Cops make $110k/year, but teachers are evil for wanting more than the pittance they get.

This is why we can't have a nice country.

I'd wager that the teachers in this sense make 2 to 6 times what he makes.

Ah yes, those horrible teachers. Must fit square into round hole to discredit them. At any cost.

/prove it


Link (new window)
 
2011-11-20 03:02:29 AM  

Ezy Ryder: Stop spreading lies.


Dude, it's f*cking Skinnyhead, man.

I'll admit this one was pretty funny:

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But all long-standing trolls eventually face the future of just phoning it in...