So we "caught Saif-of"?

You can't Please everyone, so you try to Please your Saif?

What a maroon.

Now sans Saif?

Nice.

Niger looks like a delicious drumstick.

ThisNameSux: Niger looks like a delicious drumstick.

Racist.

A civilized society does not use torture and murder as a punishment even if the crimes of the accused are torture and murder.

Thank you, George W Bush!

qadaffi'd!

ThisNameSux: Niger looks like a delicious drumstick.

Looks more like a wing to me

WhoIsWillo: [i.imgur.com image 640x860]

So, been to reddit today?

FTFA: "But he added that judges at the ICC would have to formally approve a transfer of venue, under international law."

Since when does the International Criminal Court have the power to "approve" the judicial proceedings of a sovereign state? Particularly as (in this case) that state is going to try someone who is a citizen of that state, accused of crimes in that state, under that state's laws and customary judicial proceedings. Have I missed out on something?

I mean, the actual proceedings may be barbaric as hell, somebody whips out the Sharia Book of Common Wisdom, jabbers something, and they take him out to the preheated gridiron and slow roast him. Fine. Something else for people to biatch about. But how does this particular international body somehow gain the status of a planetary court ? (SCOG*) Supreme Court of Gaea?

/Of course, TFA could just be full of it, too.......

I, also, tried to submit this with a "caught saif" style headline, but the "bad kitty" wouldn't let me.

/no big loss

MeinRS6: I'll bet his ass is feeling great about now.

Saif sex?

Mixolydian Master: I don't get the headline


FTA: "[Saif] was detained about 30 miles west of the town of Obari with two aides as he was trying to flee to neighboring Niger."

Now look at the first image in this thread.

Amos Quito: MeinRS6: I'll bet his ass is feeling great about now.

Saif sex?

Knife on butt action is always saif sex

Amos Quito: Mixolydian Master: I don't get the headline


FTA: "[Saif] was detained about 30 miles west of the town of Obari with two aides as he was trying to flee to neighboring Niger."

Now look at the first image in this thread.

He's pretty healthy if he only has two aides in Africa

Very subtle, subby.

I'll wait to get excited over this when it's confirmed that they finally have the guy this time, and that he is handed over to the ICC.

Now is he the one normal son or is Saif more psychopathic like Saddam's brood was?
I had heard there was one Moammar son who wasn't a monster.
/may have heard wrong

why he wanted this long to flee libya is beyond me, once his dad got put on the run he should of boarded a plane and went to niger or somewhere fast. The guy probably still has a boat load of money funneled away that he could live off of for a good long time. He's gonna end up dead in a ditch probably or shot in the face like dad.

TheGhostofFarkPast: why he wanted this long to flee libya is beyond me, once his dad got put on the run he should of boarded a plane and went to niger or somewhere fast. The guy probably still has a boat load of money funneled away that he could live off of for a good long time. He's gonna end up dead in a ditch probably or shot in the face like dad.

he'll probably live much longer awaiting trial now, though.

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BigNumber12: People seem incapable of going two sentences without regurgitating that phrase.

Yeah.
They always leave out the "God is good. Let us thank him for this food" part.

Kurmudgeon: Now is he the one normal son or is Saif more psychopathic like Saddam's brood was?
I had heard there was one Moammar son who wasn't a monster.
/may have heard wrong

He's the NORMAL one, relatively speaking. Saif al-Arab was the psychopath, that guy was killed in the bombing.

He was a consistent voice FOR human rights and sweeping political reforms in Libya, prior to the revolution, at least. He criticized his father's regime on many occasions.

I suspect that he Muammar G. has been largely irrelevant for some time, and Saif al-Islam has been running the show for years. I doubt many on the pro-Gaddaffi camp were actually fighting for Muammar. I think they were fighting for Saif.

He DID go all propaganda-ish when the revolution started, coming up with many terms to dismiss and discredit them, got absurdly denialist about the magnitude of their numbers and advancements, and got into braggadocio about "fighting to the last man, to the last bullet".

Honestly, Saif MAY have been a better future than jumping into a politically inexperienced "democratic" body. Well it doesn't matter if you have 1000 honest, quality people in the country who understand politics, economics, and government if the voting populace is readily swayed to believe that religious extremists have magic powers to bring heavenly blessings from God simply by repressing minorities. It's a democracy. That's who'll rule.

But, that option is over. Saif apparently never figured out how to transition to his rule during all this. The thing is, with a revolution on, he NEEDED Muammar Gaddaffi to remain in place. If Muammar DID leave or... well, slipped on a banana peel and accidentally brutally knocked his own head off- people would assume the Gaddaffi cause is lost on both sides and the revolution people would take over.

IIRC, they did say Saif tried to negotiate with the revolution. I'm not sure what the extent of that was. The difficulty is that it's a leaderless uprising. So you could negotiate with 3 "significant" people who agree to stop fighting and work together for their mutual goals. Well, now that's just 3 more "Gaddaffi supporters" and the 50,000 angry revolutionaries will just follow the next 3 people in line to "lead".

Oh, I get it. Niger, Please!


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Ray_Peranus: Link (new window)

LOL what?

Dude needs to hit the gym and go into porn.

here to help: A civilized society does not use torture and murder as a punishment even if the crimes of the accused are torture and murder.

...which is easy to say when you haven't been tortured and your family members haven't been murdered by a tyrant.

I cannot judge the Libyan revolutionaries, as I have been not been in their position. and I hope I never will be.

ds_4815: So we "caught Saif-of"?

This should have been the headline. Right here.

That is some complicated referencing.

rufus-t-firefly: ...which is easy to say when you haven't been tortured and your family members haven't been murdered by a tyrant.

I cannot judge the Libyan revolutionaries, as I have been not been in their position. and I hope I never will be.



I didn't say it was easy but lowering ourselves to the same level as the scum that do humanity harm only harms humanity further. What they did to Ghadaffi (the beating, sodomy and execution of an unarmed man without trial) are considered war crimes. Not defending the guy and as Chris Rock said "I understand" but that is not progress. My point being, I hope they deal with this capture a little more civilly than his dad's. I would really like to see a forward thinking society come out of this. Not another repressive and violent regime.

here to help: rufus-t-firefly: ...which is easy to say when you haven't been tortured and your family members haven't been murdered by a tyrant.

I cannot judge the Libyan revolutionaries, as I have been not been in their position. and I hope I never will be.



I didn't say it was easy but lowering ourselves to the same level as the scum that do humanity harm only harms humanity further. What they did to Ghadaffi (the beating, sodomy and execution of an unarmed man without trial) are considered war crimes. Not defending the guy and as Chris Rock said "I understand" but that is not progress. My point being, I hope they deal with this capture a little more civilly than his dad's. I would really like to see a forward thinking society come out of this. Not another repressive and violent regime.

You realize this is the middle east we're talking about here, right?
Find me one "forward thinking" society in the middle east?
Hell, find me more than a handful of "forward thinking" societies anywhere in the world? Here's a hint: America isn't one of them.

InfamousBLT: You realize this is the middle east we're talking about here, right?
Find me one "forward thinking" society in the middle east?
Hell, find me more than a handful of "forward thinking" societies anywhere in the world? Here's a hint: America isn't one of them.

Which is exactly my point. If we don't at least try to behave like civilized people and adhere to basic humanitarian ideals, even when confronted with sheer evil, then civilized society has lost.

History has proven over and over again how "an eye for an eye" rarely changes things for the better and quite often makes things much worse.

here to help: InfamousBLT: You realize this is the middle east we're talking about here, right?
Find me one "forward thinking" society in the middle east?
Hell, find me more than a handful of "forward thinking" societies anywhere in the world? Here's a hint: America isn't one of them.

Which is exactly my point. If we don't at least try to behave like civilized people and adhere to basic humanitarian ideals, even when confronted with sheer evil, then civilized society has lost.

History has proven over and over again how "an eye for an eye" rarely changes things for the better and quite often makes things much worse.

Fair enough. Just to warn you though, it isn't going to happen, and in 30-50 years "New Libya" or whatever the fark they're going to call it is going to make headlines when some terrorist from there flies a plane into the side of a building. So, don't get your hopes up.

InfamousBLT: Fair enough. Just to warn you though, it isn't going to happen, and in 30-50 years "New Libya" or whatever the fark they're going to call it is going to make headlines when some terrorist from there flies a plane into the side of a building. So, don't get your hopes up.

Meh... they're probably just being propped up by the west because they don't like Iran (so I've been told) and there's a serious game of Risk going on in the region right now which obviously western interests want to win. I just hope Russia and China don't start getting antsy and decide to join the game.

But that's being rather gloomy and doomsy. Ideally I'd like to see all these middle east uprisings move that part of the world into being global partners in the betterment of mankind.

+1 subby

What happened to his hand? Did somebody break all his fingers?