Dogs of war and men of hate
With no cause, we don't discriminate
Discovery is to be disowned
Our currency is flesh and bone

Hell opened up and put on sale
Gather 'round and haggle
For hard cash, we will lie and deceive
Even our masters don't know the webs we weave

Save your money. They're doing a fine job of imploding themselves.

GaryPDX: Save your money. They're doing a fine job of imploding themselves.

considering that they weren't supposed to last this long in the first place, I'd say that they're exceeding expectations.

Weaver95: GaryPDX: Save your money. They're doing a fine job of imploding themselves.

considering that they weren't supposed to last this long in the first place, I'd say that they're exceeding expectations.

What, precisely, are these expectations? Anything to do with the fall of Capitalism?

Forget the lawyers, we need to kill all lobbyists first.

GaryPDX:
What, precisely, are these expectations? Anything to do with the fall of Capitalism?

oh capitalism is busy ripping itself apart all on its own...and you can thank the fine folks over at Bank of America and Goldman-Sachs for that little fact of life.

No, the OWS folks wanted to get people talking about how wall street does business. and in that respect, they've succeeded beyond their wildest expectations.

Mugato: Forget the lawyers, we need to kill all lobbyists first.

no, they're just doing their jobs. we might find it despicable...but they aren't doing anything illegal.

what needs to change isn't lobbyists. they're going to be with us for as long as we have any form of government. What needs to change is how we handle money and congress. the way these guys get paid is via 'soft money'. the big parties can move that money around anyway they want and it's virtually untraceable. Fix that problem and make it all accoutable and you'll have a better idea of who's paying off whom to do political hatchet jobs on their opposition.

Weaver95: GaryPDX:
What, precisely, are these expectations? Anything to do with the fall of Capitalism?

oh capitalism is busy ripping itself apart all on its own...and you can thank the fine folks over at Bank of America and Goldman-Sachs for that little fact of life.

No, the OWS folks wanted to get people talking about how wall street does business. and in that respect, they've succeeded beyond their wildest expectations.

Oh Capitalism will be fine once it is allowed to clean up after itself. What we have is few modern day Robber Barons on Wall Street in bed with this administration and it's protection. There's no such thing as "too big to fail" in Capitalism. Capitalism was suspended a few years ago and now that's what is failing.

GaryPDX: Weaver95: GaryPDX:
What, precisely, are these expectations? Anything to do with the fall of Capitalism?

oh capitalism is busy ripping itself apart all on its own...and you can thank the fine folks over at Bank of America and Goldman-Sachs for that little fact of life.

No, the OWS folks wanted to get people talking about how wall street does business. and in that respect, they've succeeded beyond their wildest expectations.

Oh Capitalism will be fine once it is allowed to clean up after itself. What we have is few modern day Robber Barons on Wall Street in bed with this administration and it's protection. There's no such thing as "too big to fail" in Capitalism. Capitalism was suspended a few years ago and now that's what is failing.

"This administration?"

You're better than that Gary. Why are you playing that role?

2wolves: You're better than that Gary. Why are you playing that role?

Because he's NOT better than canned derp?

They will take and you will give,
And you must die so that they may live

To carry on with the initial comment...

GaryPDX: Oh Capitalism will be fine once it is allowed to clean up after itself. What we have is few modern day Robber Barons on Wall Street in bed with this administration and it's protection. There's no such thing as "too big to fail" in Capitalism. Capitalism was suspended a few years ago and now that's what is failing.

If it were up to me i'd use a little more Machiavelli and less Ayn Rand in how I'd approach regulating wall street. I'd make banks and CEOs fear any investigation. I'd make the rules clear, and I'd make sure they all knew that if they stepped out of line it would hurt them. Not their companies mind you...I'd hurt them personally. A CEO drives his company into the ground, i'd bankrupt him and mandate by law that he can't ever work as an officer in a corporation ever again. I don't even care HOW the company implodes either. His fault...not his fault....company goes under, the CEO is barred from being a corporate officer for...hmm...lets say 20 years. And no golden parachute nonsense. There would be a mandatory investigation and heavy fines would likely be assessed. Even the hint of impropriety would put our theoretical CEO into a jail cell for a time.

But that's just me. I think that if you're gonna play the game at that level then the risk should balance out the reward. By all means...make more money than God. But if you fail....then your lose it all.

robmilmel: 2wolves: You're better than that Gary. Why are you playing that role?

Because he's NOT better than canned derp?

He can be. He like to stir up sh*t, but damn, this country is an overflowing cesspool tsunami right now.

2wolves: They will take and you will give,
And you must die so that they may live

To carry on with the initial comment...

I read the article and that song came back to me...it just seemed appropriate somehow.

2wolves: "This administration?"

You're better than that Gary. Why are you playing that role?

Yes. Geithner and Bernanke do whatever Wall Street wants them to do. And if you believe Wall Street is a closed hive of Republicans, I got a bride to sell ya. Most people on Wall Street are Ivy League wanks. Hardly a Conservative crowd.

GaryPDX: 2wolves: "This administration?"

You're better than that Gary. Why are you playing that role?

Yes. Geithner and Bernanke do whatever Wall Street wants them to do. And if you believe Wall Street is a closed hive of Republicans, I got a bride to sell ya. Most people on Wall Street are Ivy League wanks. Hardly a Conservative crowd.

They're not liberals or progressives either. They're thieves gaming a system for personal gain at the expense of the country that they live in.

2wolves: They're not liberals or progressives either. They're thieves gaming a system for personal gain at the expense of the country that they live in.

And then the lie and tell everyone that theft is capitalism and that if you decide you'd rather not be robbed, then you're a commie bastard.

its nuts. And I honestly don't know what to make of any of it.

2wolves: They're not liberals or progressives either. They're thieves gaming a system for personal gain at the expense of the country that they live in.

As I said, modern day Robber Barons.

GaryPDX: 2wolves: They're not liberals or progressives either. They're thieves gaming a system for personal gain at the expense of the country that they live in.

As I said, modern day Robber Barons.

with a side order of neo-feudalism.

couchgnome: Mugato: Forget the lawyers, we need to kill all lobbyists first.

There it is...

I would bet a significant sum that mugato is a progressive OWS supporter.

he's paraphrasing Shakespear.

ALL
God save your majesty!

CADE
I thank you, good people: there shall be no money;
all shall eat and drink on my score; and I will
apparel them all in one livery, that they may agree
like brothers and worship me their lord.

DICK
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

CADE
Nay, that I mean to do. Is not this a lamentable
thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should
be made parchment? that parchment, being scribbled
o'er, should undo a man? Some say the bee stings:
but I say, 'tis the bee's wax; for I did but seal
once to a thing, and I was never mine own man
since. How now! who's there?

Henry VI, part 2. Act 4, scene 2.

Weaver95: And then the lie and tell everyone that theft is capitalism and that if you decide you'd rather not be robbed, then you're a commie bastard.

There's a whole lot of confusion in that right there. Capitalism is not theft, theft is theft. And it's not the notion of folks would rather not be robbed that's Communistic, it's the notion the government should run everything.

I think we all can agree we loathe corruption no matter who is perpetuating it. Personally, I'd rather the government NOT run everything because we all know what power does, it corrupts, absolutely.

2wolves: You're better than that Gary.

Hahaha what?

couchgnome: He obviously said it for a reason.
Or this is actually a thread about shakespear and I misreads the headline.....

The Moor is of a free and open nature,
That thinks men honest that but seem to be so,
And will as tenderly be led by the nose
As asses are.

Iago, Othello. Act I, scene III

ongbok: GaryPDX: Save your money. They're doing a fine job of imploding themselves.

So is this where you claim that OWS is irrelevant, that nobody is afraid of it or paying attention to it, despite the fact that a bunch of lobbyist are devising a plan to destroy it and you are taking time out of your day to post negative comments in a thread about it?

It reminds me of the 60's. Damn the Man! Don't trust anyone over 30! Groovy! PIGS! Communes with tents! Dope smoking...lol.

couchgnome: Weaver95: couchgnome: He obviously said it for a reason.
Or this is actually a thread about shakespear and I misreads the headline.....

The Moor is of a free and open nature,
That thinks men honest that but seem to be so,
And will as tenderly be led by the nose
As asses are.

Iago, Othello. Act I, scene III

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"
Sigmund Freud

"A sucker is born every minute"
PT Barnum

Weaver95: The Moor

You mean Fartbongo?

Here's the story of a brother by the name of Othello.
He liked white women and he liked...green Jello.

GaryPDX: Save your money. They're doing a fine job of imploding themselves.

Just curious why it is that you support the 1%. Surely you aren't one and therefore have no more to gain by supporting them than anyone else who isn't. You just trollin'?