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(MSNBC)   Dear GOP, you pay us $850,000 and we'll undermine OWS. Sincerely, a bunch of lobbyists   (openchannel.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 407
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2011-11-19 04:09:28 PM  

couchgnome: We did almost 4 years ago now.
How is it working out for ya?


the republicans have controlled the legislative branch for the past 4 years now... so, what are you talking about exactly? The president can't do anything when Republicans are in the majority of congress and have a filibuster majority in the senate. If you look at the one thing the president can do is foreign policy, and so far he's killed Bin Ladin along with scores of other terrorists, so I'd say it's working out pretty well. now what were you saying?
 
2011-11-19 04:09:35 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: couchgnome: Today, as we speak, 7 out of 10 of the wealthiest US Senators are Democrats and OWS supporters.

I'm among the 70% of the richest people at my shop. I guess I must be the 1%.



Well, in any event, you've clearly got no business supporting OWS. Hypocrite!!! And stop with the metaphors, you guys. We are simple people who fall off our couches when confronted with such-ity such.
 
2011-11-19 04:10:00 PM  

sheilanagig: Yeah. Thanks to them, our civil liberties have been eroding ever since. Now we're dealing with the consequences. fark you very much, Christian Coalition. Bad example of something that worked too well.


Yeah.

A handful of right-wingers can do it, but tens of millions of hippies can't. I guess they are too lazy.
 
2011-11-19 04:10:31 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: And, uh, you forgot the third one. Whoops.


No. I didn't forget it. Because, as you so perfectly outlined, it's not a viable option for change. It's just different extortionists.
 
2011-11-19 04:12:20 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: hippies


img1.fark.net There are no more "hippies". Honest. Buy a calendar.
 
2011-11-19 04:12:38 PM  

bunner: it's not a viable option for change


ARE YOU SAYING NOTHING CHANGED IN 1980!?

Jesus Christ, son. Pull that head out of that ass and listen to yourself.
 
2011-11-19 04:12:45 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: sheilanagig: Yeah. Thanks to them, our civil liberties have been eroding ever since. Now we're dealing with the consequences. fark you very much, Christian Coalition. Bad example of something that worked too well.

Yeah.

A handful of right-wingers can do it, but tens of millions of hippies can't. I guess they are too lazy.


Sorry, it's just bitterness coming out, I guess. The fundies have taken over the country, and we stood by and let them. It actually would be a comfort to see another group do the same thing, except with a goal of reversing the damage the nationalist and religious and industrial/financial institutions have done to our civil liberties.
 
2011-11-19 04:13:25 PM  

bunner: Lenny_da_Hog: hippies

[img1.fark.net image 54x11] There are no more "hippies". Honest. Buy a calendar.


Are you saying I don't exist?
 
2011-11-19 04:13:54 PM  

whidbey: They'd save a lot of money if they'd just pay some of the anti-OWS trolls here to do their derping for them...


except no one reads threads like these. only Boobiess and people think anyone would spend a dime to influence anything here?! LOL!!
 
2011-11-19 04:14:32 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: A handful of right-wingers can do it, but tens of millions of hippies can't. I guess they are too lazy.


You obviously forget that this country already leans right. Fundies find many more open doors than hippies.

It is refreshing to see a break in the apathy, though.
 
2011-11-19 04:14:33 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Jesus Christ, son. Pull that head out of that ass and listen to yourself.


Don't troll me, clown. I throw anybody who gets insulty to the wolves in a heartbeat, now. Seriously. Mind your manners. Change come sin flavors. I want POSITIVE change. Take your own advice.
 
2011-11-19 04:15:06 PM  

Farxist: whidbey: They'd save a lot of money if they'd just pay some of the anti-OWS trolls here to do their derping for them...

except no one reads threads like these. only Boobiess and people think anyone would spend a dime to influence anything here?! LOL!!


boobies? i was trying to say 1 5 7 p o s t s.
 
2011-11-19 04:15:07 PM  

Farxist: LOL!!


You're still posting. Hilarious.
 
2011-11-19 04:16:11 PM  

whidbey: Farxist: LOL!!

You're still posting. Hilarious.


I am glad that I entertain you! Awesome!
 
2011-11-19 04:18:02 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: bunner: Lenny_da_Hog: hippies

[img1.fark.net image 54x11] There are no more "hippies". Honest. Buy a calendar.

Are you saying I don't exist?


I'm saying the tambourine, patchouli and Airplane records construct that you see outside your window may be a broken projector. I dig the Airplane, btw, patchouli smells nice and I can play a wicked tambourine. I just don't think that doing all three in unison is gonna change a ghat damn thing anymore. I gave up gullible for Lent. This is grown up business, now. Tear down the wall, motherf*cker.
 
2011-11-19 04:19:14 PM  

Weaver95: Iago, Othello. Act I, scene III


I see what you did there.
 
2011-11-19 04:20:41 PM  

bunner: Don't troll me, clown. I throw anybody who gets insulty to the wolves in a heartbeat, now. Seriously. Mind your manners. Change come sin flavors. I want POSITIVE change. Take your own advice.


You're just a defeatist.

You're saying it's better and more effective to waste your vote than to take to the time to fix the parties.

Here's a secret for you -- Nobody on either side counts the losing votes to see how many were in protest. Nobody cares about you if you waste your vote on a candidate who has no chance of winning. It does not garner any attention. Neither party will say, "What could we have done to get those protest votes?"

You will never, ever make a difference that way. You must weaken the current power structure before a new one can take root. Showing up for a caucus is easy and free, and you don't have to waste your actual vote to do it.

Either that, or you can affect change through massive bloodshed, which is not preferable to me.
 
2011-11-19 04:20:45 PM  

bunner: I dig the Airplane, btw, patchouli smells nice and I can play a wicked tambourine.


No man is an island....he's a peninsula.
 
2011-11-19 04:21:55 PM  

sheilanagig: forgotmydamnusername: Well, OK. At this point, it has jumped the shark, and I'd like them all to stop blocking traffic, trashing streets and public parks, and fold their smelly tents and go away. This does not, however, impact my belief that they do indeed have grievances worth making a fuss about. I just think it might be time to find some other way to do it. Setting up homeless encampments downtown has not actually inconvenienced any of those who truly needed an inconveniencing.

Repeating something over and over because doesn't make it true just because you want it to be true.


Why would I want it to be true? It is, however, an unfortunate fact of life that eventually, the lowest common denominator farks up everything. I also haven't seen any movement of the S&P 500, Nasdaq, B of A shares, or any other disruptions of business as usual at any Fortune 500 companies that could be attributed to OWS. I haven't seen any politicians getting recalled for their complicity in rigging the game yet, either. Until that happens, you're gathering numbskulls together to help make the left look bad. You don't even need them to be the majority, because even if it's only 1 in 20, those are the people the MSM will be putting on TV in Peoria.
 
2011-11-19 04:24:04 PM  
Lenny_da_Hog
It would be much more effective to show up for party caucuses and to change the existing parties from within.

The Christian Coalition did it in 1980. It's not beyond consideration.


It wouldn't be beyond consideration, but it wouldn't be effective. The primary processes of the two major parties are heavily controlled by the party establishments. A measure like that would quickly turn a non-partisan movement into a partisan one, and also give the present two-party sham an undeserved image of legitimacy on the national stage. In the end, the entrenched interests served by the Democrat and Republican parties would be unperturbed.

bunner
Put a match to the wealth and the wealthy until, like locusts in a torched forest, HAVE to move on, and then start over sans the culture of corruption and hypocrisy.

Mind you, I'm all for a restructuring of the political process, and perhaps a debt amnesty as well, but how do you "start over, sans the culture of corruption and hypocrisy"? It's taken us centuries to build a system this functional. I really don't think starting over from whole cloth would lead to better results. We should keep building, not tear down and start over.
 
2011-11-19 04:25:31 PM  

bunner: I'm saying the tambourine, patchouli and Airplane records construct that you see outside your window may be a broken projector. I dig the Airplane, btw, patchouli smells nice and I can play a wicked tambourine. I just don't think that doing all three in unison is gonna change a ghat damn thing anymore. I gave up gullible for Lent. This is grown up business, now. Tear down the wall, motherf*cker.


Listen to me.

I am a hippie. I even have long hair. I hang out with naked chicks who sometimes, yes, do use patchouli. I hang out with other hippies all year, and once a year I go to the big hippie convention in the desert.

Hippies are still out here, son.
 
2011-11-19 04:26:42 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: You must weaken the current power structure before a new one can take root. Showing up for a caucus is easy and free, and you don't have to waste your actual vote to do it.


images0.cpcache.com

And I attended my caucus a few years back. Made my voice heard for Obama to be elected.

You do know that some of us are still satisfied with the job this President is doing, and that we can actually cut him some slack for being the one who got stuck cleaning up 8 years of Bush vomit?

Rhetorical question.

The Democratic Party has plenty of good ideas.

The real problem is the "loyal opposition." Deal with them first, and then we can start another party.

I am so sick of hearing the "both sides are bad" sh*t when the truth is that progressives in this country have to be practically carted down to the voting booth.
 
2011-11-19 04:27:17 PM  

bunner: Lenny_da_Hog: Jesus Christ, son. Pull that head out of that ass and listen to yourself.

Don't troll me, clown. I throw anybody who gets insulty to the wolves in a heartbeat, now. Seriously. Mind your manners. Change come sin flavors. I want POSITIVE change. Take your own advice.


Sin flavors sounds marketable.
 
2011-11-19 04:28:45 PM  

mrexcess: It wouldn't be beyond consideration, but it wouldn't be effective. The primary processes of the two major parties are heavily controlled by the party establishments.


The "party establishments" ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP TO CAUCUSES!

Jesus, folks. It's an administration. It's a process carried out by *whoever shows up*. Only extremists show up, because everyone else is letting it happen through ignorance and apathy.
 
2011-11-19 04:29:21 PM  

simplicimus: bunner: Lenny_da_Hog: Jesus Christ, son. Pull that head out of that ass and listen to yourself.

Don't troll me, clown. I throw anybody who gets insulty to the wolves in a heartbeat, now. Seriously. Mind your manners. Change come sin flavors. I want POSITIVE change. Take your own advice.

Sin flavors sounds marketable.


Why not? Sex Packets were big in the 90s...
 
2011-11-19 04:30:26 PM  
whidbey
The Democratic Party has plenty of good ideas.

Sure they do, whidbey, but unfortunately they're all about how to fleece the 99% while maintaining the appearance of being "for the little guy". Take away the smoke and mirrors and inferiority complexes and the Democrats are really just Republican-lite. Their policies are, with the exception of some relatively inconsequential wedge issues left for the masses to spar over, distinguishable only by difference in style, not substance.
 
2011-11-19 04:30:30 PM  
Lobbying needs to become a thing of the past. Corporations already get a voice - through each individual vote by each person employed by them. That's plenty.
 
2011-11-19 04:31:48 PM  

depmode98: couchgnome: We did almost 4 years ago now.
How is it working out for ya?

the republicans have controlled the legislative branch for the past 4 years now... so, what are you talking about exactly? The president can't do anything when Republicans are in the majority of congress and have a filibuster majority in the senate. If you look at the one thing the president can do is foreign policy, and so far he's killed Bin Ladin along with scores of other terrorists, so I'd say it's working out pretty well. now what were you saying?


Republicans have sent up multiple Bills and they are ignored in the Democratic senate.
I think when industry leaders, including many former Obama supporters say this is the most anti-businiss (which conversely has to mean anti job) administration in our history? I think they mean it.

Obama is bashing terrorists vigorously with the tools he claimed were "unamerican" and illegal, while repeatedly attacking the previous administration.
Having said that, I would agree that thanks to Bush, Obama was handed a pretty easy shot and had the cojones to take it.
He should probably stop calling everyone else criminals for doing the same thing now. Shouldn't he?
 
2011-11-19 04:32:14 PM  

9127" target="_blank">Lenny_da_Hog: You're just a defeatist.


www.projectorslamp.net

Lenny_da_Hog: You're saying it's better and more effective to waste your vote than to take to the time to fix the parties.


www.misterbees.net

Lenny_da_Hog: Here's a secret for you -- Nobody on either side counts the losing votes to see how many were in protest.


Sweet, thundering moose snooch! Can I write that down?

Lenny_da_Hog: Either that, or you can affect change through massive bloodshed, which is not preferable to me.


Yeah, sadly, "hippies" have a history of bailing when sh*t gets inconvenient. Is it preferable
 
2011-11-19 04:32:16 PM  

Farxist: Helen_Arigby: First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.

That didn't work out for Hitler.
He lost on step 3.


So you're saying that what's good for the Ghandi isn't necessarily good for the goosesteppers?
 
2011-11-19 04:32:22 PM  

whidbey: You do know that some of us are still satisfied with the job this President is doing, and that we can actually cut him some slack for being the one who got stuck cleaning up 8 years of Bush vomit?


So? Gotta point, other than assuming I'm advocating for any specific change?

I didn't. And I'm not.

I'm simply saying that "voting third party" and writing in undeclared candidates is ineffective. No third party will ever have the strength to come out of the chute and spill the established parties in a SUNDAY-SUNDAY-SUNDAY NIGHT BEAT-OUT!

It's not going to happen. The most effective way to implement change is to show up to the caucuses. If you're happy and like what your party is doing, SHOW UP ANYWAY, dumbass!
 
2011-11-19 04:33:33 PM  

mrexcess: Mind you, I'm all for a restructuring of the political process, and perhaps a debt amnesty as well, but how do you "start over, sans the culture of corruption and hypocrisy"? It's taken us centuries to build a system this functional. I really don't think starting over from whole cloth would lead to better results. We should keep building, not tear down and start over.


fark it. Decentralize most authority and leave decisions to the states. Keep the function of oversight and constitutional enforcement, the foreign diplomacy and representation, but hand over many of the functions being unnecessarily performed on a federal level to the individual states. The federal government shouldn't be in the insurance and retirement business, or the loan business or enforcing drug laws that should rightly be up to the states.

Let the federal government act as a buffer citizens and business interests to make sure they're playing by the rules, but above all, the government must always act in the best interests of the people, even if that means staying hands-off on some things. The federal government has too much authority when they can hire people to pat you down at the airport.
 
2011-11-19 04:33:42 PM  

GaryPDX: I think we all can agree we loathe corruption no matter who is perpetuating it. Personally, I'd rather the government NOT run everything because we all know what power does, it corrupts, absolutely.


So you're advocating handing political power completely over to self-interested private actors, instead of popularly elected representatives.

Vive le Roi, Gary.

Skleenar: Paraphrasing Alan Grayson, the problem is there are two parties, one that caters to Wall Street, and the other which is a fully acquired subsidiary of Wall street.


Pretty much this. And because the vast majority of Americans are too lazy to speak out against the situation when times are good for them, we're only just now seeing the barest inkling of unrest. Things are going to have to get a lot worse for a lot of people if we're going to see any kind of lasting political effect. The way things are going, we'll just usher in a new wave of Democrats in 2012 on ultimately empty promises of corporate reform that will be forgotten when the economy picks back up and everybody can afford their cable TV bill again.
 
2011-11-19 04:34:38 PM  

bunner: Sweet, thundering moose snooch!


I just wanted to repost that part....

Sorry for the distraction.
 
2011-11-19 04:34:42 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Hippies are still out here, son.


I have T-Shirts about your age. Hell, I'm about your age. Give it a rest. You don't condescend well and it makes it look like your whole point is to come here and get all "back in the day, sonny" with people. And that's silly, isn't it?
 
2011-11-19 04:34:51 PM  
Lenny_da_Hog
The "party establishments" ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP TO CAUCUSES!

About 1% of them, sure. If you want to argue that Joe Primary Voter is the party establishment, I really don't know what else to say.

The (wo)men behind the curtains are heavily funded groups like the DLC, powerful ones like the D(S|C)CC, party steering committees, the lobbyists that fund them, and the media powerhouses that decide who the public gets to hear about.
 
2011-11-19 04:35:04 PM  

sheilanagig: Let the federal government act as a buffer between citizens and business interests


FTFM
 
2011-11-19 04:35:47 PM  

mrexcess: whidbey
The Democratic Party has plenty of good ideas.

Sure they do, whidbey, but unfortunately they're all about how to fleece the 99% while maintaining the appearance of being "for the little guy". Take away the smoke and mirrors and inferiority complexes and the Democrats are really just Republican-lite. Their policies are, with the exception of some relatively inconsequential wedge issues left for the masses to spar over, distinguishable only by difference in style, not substance.


I dunno, the fact is that we're going to get a better chance at what we want with the Dems: renewable energy programs, a more dedicated concept of a welfare state and they've already made strides in attempting to reform the health care industry.

The GOP? Never. Not happening. They are stuck in the 19th century.

I understand that you've been disappointed by the Democratic Party and this Presidency, but the real problems are more along the lines of apathy and a sense that citizens who elect their leaders don't have the responsibility to get involved as activists in their own community.

It gets a little old blaming government on what's really our own fault for insisting someone just do things for us without any kind of demanded accountability or even *gasp* supervision.
 
2011-11-19 04:38:34 PM  
Boehner (via Michael Steel): "My understanding is that President Obama is the single largest recipient of donations from Wall Street."

Anita Dunn: "If that's the case, why were tough financial reforms passed over party line Republican opposition?"

Boehner undone? Well done, Dunn.

sheilanagig: Could be worse.


Agreed, ...you exhibitionist.

/Anyone else finding L7's "Sh*tlist" to be conducive background music to play while combing through Fark threads looking for a troll to make that final "straw that broke the camel's back" pants-on-head retarded post that finally put's 'em on ignore?
//Maybe just me there.
 
2011-11-19 04:39:01 PM  

couchgnome:
Obama is bashing terrorists vigorously with the tools he claimed were "unamerican" and illegal, while repeatedly attacking the previous administration.


You have links and citations for that, right?
 
2011-11-19 04:39:04 PM  
whidbey
I dunno, the fact is that we're going to get a better chance at what we want with the Dems

It really sounds like you've just given up on having a functional political system, and are comforting yourself with the lowered expectations of things like...

renewable energy programs, a more dedicated concept of a welfare state and they've already made strides in attempting to reform the health care industry.

Is it possible to stride backwards? All ObamaCare achieved was to reward and further entrench the profiteering middlemen standing between American citizens and doctors. It's disgusting to cheerlead crap like that.
 
2011-11-19 04:40:01 PM  

bunner: Lenny_da_Hog: Hippies are still out here, son.

I have T-Shirts about your age. Hell, I'm about your age. Give it a rest. You don't condescend well and it makes it look like your whole point is to come here and get all "back in the day, sonny" with people. And that's silly, isn't it?


"The day" is today. Notice that verb tense, "are" (still)?

You're like one of those idiots who hears Canadian Inuit don't like to be called "Eskimos," so you start correcting everyone who says "Eskimo," not knowing there are plenty of natives who prefer to be called "Eskimos."

Just because the right wing is using a stereotype of hippies doesn't mean hippies don't still exist. There are millions of us, still.
 
2011-11-19 04:40:01 PM  
i43.tinypic.com
 
2011-11-19 04:40:14 PM  

bunner: Yeah, sadly, "hippies" have a history of bailing when sh*t gets inconvenient. Is it preferable


That post got misrepresented somewhere in the editor. No, it is not preferable. Has history shown us any other meaningful and viable methods of scraping sh*t off of our shoes? No.
 
2011-11-19 04:41:23 PM  

whidbey: It gets a little old blaming government on what's really our own fault for insisting someone just do things for us without any kind of demanded accountability or even *gasp* supervision.


Well, the idea was to have a functioning system of checks and balances to keep them accountable to someone. The problem is that once one branch of government is compromised, the other two go down with it. The system of checks and balances works in theory but not in practice. We made the mistake of believing there was an effective system in place to make the branches of government police each other. It's not our fault we all believed a lie we'd been told since we were in grade school.
 
2011-11-19 04:42:06 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: You're like one of those idiots


You got one more, loudmouth, then I roll on you. I'm done with insult artists and snotty kids and harrumphing old men.
 
2011-11-19 04:42:10 PM  

bunner: Lenny_da_Hog: Hippies are still out here, son.

I have T-Shirts about your age. Hell, I'm about your age. Give it a rest. You don't condescend well and it makes it look like your whole point is to come here and get all "back in the day, sonny" with people. And that's silly, isn't it?



Back in the day, I never heard anyone say "Back in the day."
 
2011-11-19 04:43:42 PM  

quatchi: /Anyone else finding L7's "Sh*tlist" to be conducive background music to play while combing through Fark threads looking for a troll to make that final "straw that broke the camel's back" pants-on-head retarded post that finally put's 'em on ignore?
//Maybe just me there.


Heh. It's a fave.
 
2011-11-19 04:43:46 PM  
Dusk-You-n-Me: Abso-frickin-loutely. Register to vote. Go to the polls. Then lodge a protest vote: either vote for a third party candidate, or write someone in. Just do not expect your vote for either a Democrat or a Republican to change the nature of our corrupt, sham political system run jointly by Democrat-Republican elites.
 
2011-11-19 04:44:05 PM  

mrexcess: whidbey
I dunno, the fact is that we're going to get a better chance at what we want with the Dems

It really sounds like you've just given up on having a functional political system, and are comforting yourself with the lowered expectations of things like...

renewable energy programs, a more dedicated concept of a welfare state and they've already made strides in attempting to reform the health care industry.

Is it possible to stride backwards? All ObamaCare achieved was to reward and further entrench the profiteering middlemen standing between American citizens and doctors. It's disgusting to cheerlead crap like that.


Honestly, dude, you sound like a broken record.

So much that the concept that Obamacare was the FIRST SUCCESSFUL ATTEMPT at getting this country and this government to recognize the need to insure its citizenry is utterly lost on you.

I really wonder how much of this talking point you would maintain if you got out once in awhile and talked to health professionals.

Again, really sick of this armchair media-driven political fury I run into anymore...
 
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