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(ZDNet) Obvious Kindle Fire review: For $200 you get half an iPad. Unfortunately, the half they left out is all the stuff that makes an iPad awesome   (zdnet.com) divider line 162
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2011-11-19 12:57:44 PM
Like Exchange and Android support, apparently.
 
2011-11-19 12:58:55 PM
In other words..."i'm an Apple fanboi and WAAAAAH"

/the Fire is pretty cool
 
2011-11-19 01:00:30 PM
For Exchange, you can buy TouchDown which works better than the native support anyway. Amazon has it on sale for $10 right now.
 
2011-11-19 01:03:58 PM
yes but it cost less than half as much, with out a 3G contract requirement and not all the Apple smug that comes with an i-pad.
 
2011-11-19 01:04:02 PM
Got the Fire and love it. I don't disagree with the article's points (for the most part), but I wasn't looking for those things the writer was talking about anyhow. I knew the battery life would be less than stated, don't need bluetooth, no 3G wasn't a deal breaker, don't need a camera on it, etc. It's portable, the screen is big enough for what I'm looking for and I made an informed purchase decision. Perfectly happy with it.

It came down to: what do I want, what do I need and how much would I want to pony up?

/The REAL tablet war will start when Kindle Ice is released.
 
2011-11-19 01:04:59 PM
I'm not sure the criticisms about e-mail and lack of application support are valid. Its not is not meant to be a full tablet. The device was created to consume stuff from Amazon.com. Nothing more - nothing less.

That being said - the interface does sucks. And the version I played around with was a bit sluggish. But I've come to expect nothing less from Android based devices.

/looking forward to seeing Android 4 tho - it appears they might of finally fixed long standing issues
 
2011-11-19 01:05:00 PM
Yeah, I'm sure this guy knows what he's talking about.

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2011-11-19 01:07:06 PM
Number40: Got the Fire and love it. I don't disagree with the article's points (for the most part), but I wasn't looking for those things the writer was talking about anyhow. I knew the battery life would be less than stated, don't need bluetooth, no 3G wasn't a deal breaker, don't need a camera on it, etc. It's portable, the screen is big enough for what I'm looking for and I made an informed purchase decision. Perfectly happy with it.

It came down to: what do I want, what do I need and how much would I want to pony up?

/The REAL tablet war will start when Kindle Ice is released.


Same here...we actually got it as a portable reader for our oldest son, load some books up and hit the road sorta thing. But it's pretty friggin' neat. I use an iPad at work and it's a bit bulky, it doesn't fit well in one hand, the Fire is easier to hold and the screen is more than ample for movies, games, reading, etc.

I don't need a camera, my phone has one. I don't need da bluetoofs. etc. combine that with the fact I can basically get 3 Fires for the price of 1 iPad and i'm sold.
 
2011-11-19 01:08:52 PM
bravian: I'm not sure the criticisms about e-mail and lack of application support are valid. Its not is not meant to be a full tablet. The device was created to consume stuff from Amazon.com. Nothing more - nothing less.

That being said - the interface does sucks. And the version I played around with was a bit sluggish. But I've come to expect nothing less from Android based devices.

/looking forward to seeing Android 4 tho - it appears they might of finally fixed long standing issues


Odd, I didn't find it sluggish at all. the volume control he's whining about it silly as well, you tap the small cog/gear icon at the top and scroll volume...SO HARD TO DO.
 
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2011-11-19 01:15:55 PM
So, uh, how many Kindle books do you own? Yeah, me, too. A lot. All those books just dump into shelf after shelf in the Kindle interface and it's even worse in the Cloud view.

The Kindle has folders now, but it's not obvious how to use them unless you read the documentation.
 
2011-11-19 01:16:55 PM
Tourney3p0: Like Exchange and Android support, apparently.

Heh. Yeah, pretty much, that IS the deal breaker for me though. It's not real android, no real android apps, I'll get it only after I can root it and put a clean version of Honeycomb or Icecream Sandwich though.
 
2011-11-19 01:18:39 PM
Unfortunately, the half they left out is all the stuff that makes an iPad awesome

Gotta agree, the most awesome features of the iPad are its support for the Google ecosystem and the Android app store.
 
2011-11-19 01:18:46 PM
This can best be described as a mixed blessing. With reports that Android malware has jumped 472% since July, it's probably good that most Kindle Fire users can't easily load Android app store apps on the Fire.

Yeah, that's great. Because windows malware is common, it would be best if it was really hard to download and install things for windows, right? Then people would FLOCK to windows, once they could no longer install Photoshop, Call of Duty...that'd be AWESOME
 
2011-11-19 01:22:53 PM
Still debating between this and the new Color Nook. Either way I'm going to port ICS on it as soon as I get it.
 
2011-11-19 01:24:09 PM
So go and root it, subster.
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2011-11-19 01:24:17 PM
crazypete: yes but it cost less than half as much, with out a 3G contract requirement and not all the Apple smug that comes with an i-pad.

There is no 3G contract requirement with the iPad, you can pay as you go, Last time i checked, it was 50 cents a day for 3G based on a monthly rate. Way to keep the disinformation up, Tex.
 
2011-11-19 01:25:14 PM
spammuncher: crazypete: yes but it cost less than half as much, with out a 3G contract requirement and not all the Apple smug that comes with an i-pad.

There is no 3G contract requirement with the iPad, you can pay as you go, Last time i checked, it was 50 cents a day for 3G based on a monthly rate. Way to keep the disinformation up, Tex.


And, if you get the wifi-only version, you pay NOTHING per month!
 
2011-11-19 01:26:12 PM
Number40: I knew the battery life would be less than stated

Wow, so they have to lie to sell it?
 
2011-11-19 01:32:00 PM
ihatedumbpeople: Odd, I didn't find it sluggish at all. the volume control he's whining about it silly as well, you tap the small cog/gear icon at the top and scroll volume...SO HARD TO DO.

I heard they may of fixed some of the sluggishness with an software update. But the fact that there is no hardware control for sound is completely stupid.
 
2011-11-19 01:34:43 PM
ihatedumbpeople: In other words..."i'm an Apple fanboi and WAAAAAH"

/the Fire is pretty cool


Oh look! The fanboids are here!
 
2011-11-19 01:45:18 PM
Seems to me like the Nook Tablet is a much better bet than the Fire, if you are looking for a tablet in the $200-$300 range.

More memory, more storage, expandable storage, better display with less glare, weighs less, better battery, better performance, and free support at any B&N location. Only $50 more than the Fire - with all those advantages, it would seem to be a good value even if it were $100 more.
 
2011-11-19 01:46:06 PM
I think its pretty coool. Once rooting it becomes easier I paling on doing that so I can get tootle music on here and play my own ripped Dvds.

/posting from my Fire
 
2011-11-19 01:51:29 PM
I've got an iPad 2 and a Kindle Fire. The Fire does about 80-90% of what I do on the iPad just fine. The iPad is better for playing 3D games due to beefier graphics power, and is better as a "laptop replacement" when I'm on trips due to bluetooth support and ability to hook it up to a projector and run PPTs on it.

But for video streaming, angry birds, web browsing, and reading comics, the Kindle Fire is just fine and cost me 1/3 of what the iPad cost me. And the Fire, due to its size, is much easier to carry around and can be held easier and longer without tiring my arm.
 
2011-11-19 01:54:06 PM
My understanding is that Amazon hired a design outfit - the same one that did the awful playbook - who based this design on the playbook to get it out quickly. This was done because the Amazon internally designed one is not going to be available until after the holiday season. Apparently the inside design group wanted no part of a very rushed job. The next one is supposed to be far closer to an ipad killer.
 
2011-11-19 01:57:41 PM
ihatedumbpeople: Odd, I didn't find it sluggish at all.

This is the Apple fanboy bravian. All he does is proclaim that Android devices are "sluggish" because it's impossible to prove or disprove.
 
2011-11-19 01:58:46 PM
Barakku: Tourney3p0: Like Exchange and Android support, apparently.

Heh. Yeah, pretty much, that IS the deal breaker for me though. It's not real android, no real android apps, I'll get it only after I can root it and put a clean version of Honeycomb or Icecream Sandwich though.


Funny, I'm running quite a few real Android apps on my Fire right now. Any .apk that isn't from Google or requires a google app or service to function will aideload and run just fine without rooting. Plus, Amazon has given me a couple useful apps for free recently (Quickiffice Pro, the full Autodesk sketching app). Once developers see they can make some cash off the Fire, they will probably have their apps in both the Amazon and Google markets.
 
2011-11-19 02:03:50 PM
AcneVulgaris: ihatedumbpeople: In other words..."i'm an Apple fanboi and WAAAAAH"

/the Fire is pretty cool

Oh look! The fanboids are here!


I've got a Touch, an iPhone 4, etc...I'm not a fanboy, I don't dislike fanboys, just calling water wet when I see it. Fanboys tend to focus on what proves their argument, nothing more. Waah, no hardware volume. Okay, it's literally one extra step to touch the screen, then swipe. my headphones with in line volume controls work fine on it as well, not 100% sure they're designed to, but they do (pair of Klipsch buds). No Android 'regular' app support...okay, but most of the apps you'd use are available. Pandora, Netflix, Facebook, Angry Birds, so on and so forth. Do you have every single friggin' app, no. The ones i'd use? Yup.
 
2011-11-19 02:04:49 PM
I'm enjoying my Fire so far, and don't regret it's purchase at all.

And no, it's not "sluggish" in the least.
 
2011-11-19 02:16:49 PM
It's hilarious to see the Apple fanboys suddenly argue vehemently for a wider feature set, and of all things, more hardware buttons.

I personally don't care much for the Fire, and would rather buy the iPad over anything else if I were to buy a tablet. But the Fire is basically a refinement of the streamlined feature set and easy access to content that Apple fanboys used to say made technology improved, not crippled. All that shiat you think is extraneous and cumbersome in Windows and Android? Guess what, there are plenty of Fire buyers who feel the same way about the iPad.
 
2011-11-19 02:18:07 PM
ItsMyNameYouCantHaveIt: I'm enjoying my Fire so far, and don't regret it's purchase at all.

Are you enjoying that extra apostrophe, and are you regretting it?
 
2011-11-19 02:19:00 PM
balial: Number40: I knew the battery life would be less than stated

Wow, so they have to lie to sell it?


Nah. The companies usually list battery life with just background systems running. It lessons depending on how heavily you use the device.
 
2011-11-19 02:19:14 PM
Yankees Team Gynecologist: This is the Apple fanboy bravian. All he does is proclaim that Android devices are "sluggish" because it's impossible to prove or disprove.

1) Put finger on screen
2) Move finger
3) Does device respond or not?

Or is that too hard of a test for you?

And if you read the initial reviews - all of them refer to response time issues with the device. Or is pointing out obvious documented flaws hurt your feelings?

/"apple fanboy" - funny
 
2011-11-19 02:20:09 PM
Barakku: This can best be described as a mixed blessing. With reports that Android malware has jumped 472% since July, it's probably good that most Kindle Fire users can't easily load Android app store apps on the Fire.

Yeah, that's great. Because windows malware is common, it would be best if it was really hard to download and install things for windows, right? Then people would FLOCK to windows, once they could no longer install Photoshop, Call of Duty...that'd be AWESOME


Do you really want to have to saddle your tablets already limited CPU power with anti-virus software? These aren't PCs, they don't have the recourse to waste protecting themselves from malicious programmers and careless idiot users.
 
2011-11-19 02:23:28 PM
Number40: I knew the battery life would be less than stated

Which I find hilarious as testing has consistently shown the iPad's battery life to be more than the stated 10 hours.

I'm not knocking the Fire, if it's what you want, go for it. But this looks like rationalization to me.
 
2011-11-19 02:27:18 PM
bravian: 1) Put finger on screen
2) Move finger
3) Does device respond or not?


The vast majority of the time, yes.

I'm not saying that regarding the Kindle Fire, because I haven't touched one yet. I'm talking about every touch-screen device I've ever used. Including iPhones and iPads. They all work pretty well, but there are occasionally times when it takes another swipe, or the "sequences" could stand to be "shortened."

But wait, let me guess--in your experience, every Android device has performed horribly, and every iOS device has responded instantaneously without a single hitch, right?

Hence what I said about "impossible to prove or disprove."
 
2011-11-19 02:27:21 PM
I hate Apples because they are not Oranges

I hate Dogs because they are not Cats

I hate Pork Chops because they are not Steaks.

etc. to infinity, but not beyond.
 
2011-11-19 02:46:26 PM
I would consider getting a fire if they offered a 10" model. I am really holding out for a tablet that comes equipped with ice cream sandwich.
 
2011-11-19 02:51:44 PM
I heard someone tried bringing the Kindle Fire into one of those Occupier groups across the country and got jumped as being an infidel.
 
2011-11-19 02:54:21 PM
TFA: On the other hand, there's not much of a selection of apps on the Amazon Android app store, so here, too, the win goes to iOS and the iPad.

I don't buy anything from the Android market - they don't screen any apps for compatibility. Bought a small game for $2.99 which the developer said would work on Honeycomb. Turns out it didn't. Asked for my money back, but they told me to ask for a refund from the developer, who of course being either too lazy to test compatibility, or too dishonest to actually refund money never did get back to me.

So I'm out $3, but that's money well spent for a good lesson learned. Buying shiat from the Android market is like buying shiat from Craigslist, except where Craigslist actually takes the order. I get my android apps from the Amazon market now. I don't find a dearth of apps on there.

The reviewer is missing that Kindle Fire is not intended to be an iPad. It's a touch, color Kindle with some android functionality.
 
2011-11-19 02:57:21 PM
Yankees Team Gynecologist

But wait, let me guess--in your experience, every Android device has performed horribly, and every iOS device has responded instantaneously without a single hitch, right?

Wow, that straw man is taking quite a beating.

I'd ignore you, but I like to see what's on the script this week.
 
2011-11-19 03:00:47 PM
Quantum Apostrophe: ItsMyNameYouCantHaveIt: I'm enjoying my Fire so far, and don't regret it's purchase at all.

Are you enjoying that extra apostrophe, and are you regretting it?


Wait...

........

...I am now.
 
2011-11-19 03:01:19 PM
Psylent1: I hate Apples because they are not Oranges

I hate Dogs because they are not Cats

I hate Pork Chops because they are not Steaks.

etc. to infinity, but not beyond.


I think you nailed it. at half the price and half the features, of course people who don't care about the missing features and are money sensitive are going to care, and people who are less money concerned and do like the missing features are going to care.

I have bought several Apple products in my life, they have all been informed purchases and I have not felt regret about any of them.

I have felt ripped off by many other 'informed' purchases including an HTC/android phone.
 
2011-11-19 03:08:05 PM
They forgot to give it rounded corners?
 
2011-11-19 03:11:16 PM
ihatedumbpeople: In other words..."i'm an Apple fanboi and WAAAAAH"

/the Fire is pretty cool


This.

What subby means is that you lose the reassuring glow of the iQueef logo that tells everyone around you that you are better than them.
 
2011-11-19 03:24:05 PM
bingethinker: straw man

i44.tinypic.com

What part of that is not something you claim?

I already know the answer--none of it--but go ahead and try backpedalling out of this one.

In this thread alone you paint all Android devices with the "sluggish" broad brush. I doubt I'd have to search very hard to find you doing the opposite for iPhone/iPad.
 
2011-11-19 03:26:02 PM
The article fails from the word go, as it's comparing apples (ahem) to oranges. The Fire isn't meant to compete directly with the iPad. It's meant to compete with the B&N Nook.
 
2011-11-19 03:29:15 PM
Buying an Apple product is like buying Auschwitz Brand soap. I keep reading about the inhumane conditions the Chinese workers are subjected to making the damm things. All while Apple sells itself as the uber cool corporation. Too creepy for me.

I'm sure my cheapo Coby tablet is made of ground up puppies, but at least they don't try to pass themselves off as teh awesomeness.
 
2011-11-19 03:52:57 PM
mark12A: Buying an Apple product is like buying Auschwitz Brand soap. I keep reading about the inhumane conditions the Chinese workers are subjected to making the damm things. All while Apple sells itself as the uber cool corporation. Too creepy for me.

I'm sure my cheapo Coby tablet is made of ground up puppies, but at least they don't try to pass themselves off as teh awesomeness.


To be fair to Apple, just about every other electronic gadget is manufactured in China under almost the same conditions. The only difference is that HTC or Samsung don't care enough to pay for suicide nets.
 
2011-11-19 03:54:12 PM
mark12A: Buying an Apple product is like buying Auschwitz Brand soap..

www.fpp.co.uk

It's my favorite brand! The final solution for dirt!
 
2011-11-19 04:05:55 PM
So some of the stuff is really stupid (no volume/home buttons), but other stuff is just what you get out of default android, all easily fixed by hacking it and throwing cyanogen on it.

I have a rooted nook, don't like the home screen, throw adw launcher on it.

No exchange integration, throw on the google apps pack and you get the android market and an e-mail client that synchs exchange.
 
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