Steven Wallace> -- Holy crap does that kid wreck alot of cars. Thankfully his dad will keep him in that car unconditionally. He is like Paul Menard without the talent.

There's enough Start & Park drivers in the field that he only needs to run about 20-30 laps (based on recent results) to lock up the title.

The race actually starts 15.30 VST.

That's 15.30 Central (United States of America) Time. I'll let you do the rest of the conversions.

Why don't Nascar fans like F1 again?

joepainter: Steven Wallace> -- Holy crap does that kid wreck alot of cars. Thankfully his dad will keep him in that car unconditionally. He is like Paul Menard without the talent.

Or the money.

Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: Why don't Nascar fans like F1 again?

No Dale, Jr. Well, that and no passing for the most part. 'Overtake'. They have 'Overtaking'. What kind of pretentious crap is that?

Hmm, looks like they bumped the start time back to fit in Cup qualifying.

Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: Why don't Nascar fans like F1 again?

Actually, a lot of us like both. I find following both to be a complementary experience.

I like F1 because it's a flashy, expensive, technologically advanced spectacle that demonstrates the the very bleeding edge of what man and machine can accomplish in a battle against a complex circuit. On the other hand, it can also be a boring parade with little significant driver to driver interaction on track and even less passing. (Though gimmicks like DRS zones have diminished this long standing criticism.) You need only look at how some of the "stars" suddenly lose their shiat if they're unfortunate enough to actually have to start partway back. Vettel, Massa, and others have been criticized for being able to put up great laps, but if you stick more than a couple cars in front of them, their day goes to hell.

I like NASCAR because when you leave the cars primitive and brutish, have sturdy fenders on them, and stick those big heavy V8 monsters on simpler tracks, you emphasize driver to driver interaction as the key to the outcome of the race. Rarely does an event occur where the eventual winner hasn't had to contend with someone trying to take his line away, mess up his aero, or even lay a fender to him. This driver to driver interaction is exciting in the exact opposite way of F1. Of course, the cars are primitive to the point they're no longer relevant to the street cars they supposedly represent, NASCAR has gotten more and more political, and when they do hit a road course, it's often with hilariously disastrous results. Though many of the top level guys have gotten much better over the years, it's still pure carnage from half pack back.

*shrug.*

Hope you get where I'm coming from. If not, it's cool. I'll still remember to make my contribution to the F1 headline queue.

Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Danica!

That "start your engines" command didn't suck.

I think even if Stenhouse finishes last, unless Elliot Sadler leads the most laps and wins the race, he's got it locked up.

That said, tomorrow's race ought to be killer. This one, less so, because it's locked up, basically.

Sadler got shafted at Phoenix. That massive strip of apron in whatever turn that was(2?) was a horrible idea.

joepainter: Steven Wallace> -- Holy crap does that kid wreck alot of cars. Thankfully his dad will keep him in that car unconditionally. He is like Paul Menard without the talent.

This, sort of.

In six years of NNS competition, Wallace's stats read:

5 top-5's, 31 top-10's, avg. start 18.6, avg. finish 20.3. $4.4MM+ in winnings.

That said, he's never going to be his dad. It's like a lesser Petty schism. Talent seems to have skipped a generation - so the next one should come back with a vengeance.

The only thing that makes me wonder about Steven Wallace: if he was in top NNS equipment, would he run better? Rusty Wallce Racing seems to be an average team, at best.

Of course, given his performance in Rusty's equipment, I can't see anyone else letting him drive their car(short of Penkse, perhaps).

Jensaarai: Hmm, looks like they bumped the start time back to fit in Cup qualifying.

Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: Why don't Nascar fans like F1 again?

Actually, a lot of us like both. I find following both to be a complementary experience.

I like F1 because it's a flashy, expensive, technologically advanced spectacle that demonstrates the the very bleeding edge of what man and machine can accomplish in a battle against a complex circuit. On the other hand, it can also be a boring parade with little significant driver to driver interaction on track and even less passing. (Though gimmicks like DRS zones have diminished this long standing criticism.) You need only look at how some of the "stars" suddenly lose their shiat if they're unfortunate enough to actually have to start partway back. Vettel, Massa, and others have been criticized for being able to put up great laps, but if you stick more than a couple cars in front of them, their day goes to hell.

I like NASCAR because when you leave the cars primitive and brutish, have sturdy fenders on them, and stick those big heavy V8 monsters on simpler tracks, you emphasize driver to driver interaction as the key to the outcome of the race. Rarely does an event occur where the eventual winner hasn't had to contend with someone trying to take his line away, mess up his aero, or even lay a fender to him. This driver to driver interaction is exciting in the exact opposite way of F1. Of course, the cars are primitive to the point they're no longer relevant to the street cars they supposedly represent, NASCAR has gotten more and more political, and when they do hit a road course, it's often with hilariously disastrous results. Though many of the top level guys have gotten much better over the years, it's still pure carnage from half pack back.

*shrug.*

Hope you get where I'm coming from. If not, it's cool. I'll still remember to make my contribution to the F1 headline queue.

And all of this. I don't follow F1 religiously, but I keep tabs. I'd love to see the IRL get it's house in order and become a top-tier circuit again, though.

joepainter: Steven Wallace> -- Holy crap does that kid wreck alot of cars. Thankfully his dad will keep him in that car unconditionally. He is like Paul Menard without the talent.

It's funny to think Stenhouse was wrecking worse than Wallace just a year ago. It seems some drivers just start out that way, but learn their limits eventually.

Of course, Roush had to park the kid to get that lesson through to him, something Rusty seems too soft to do to his own son, even as he gives drivers in the 62 the boot when they don't perform. That unconditional support is probably the biggest impediment to Steven Wallace's growth as a driver.

Another reason to enjoy F1. WAAAAAAAY fewer commercials!

3 good grooves on the track today. This should be a good race.

Typical first lap of Nationwide.



Tough luck for the Jesus-mobile. That was cool of Stewart to buy Shepard's tires for him, though.

Anyone got a stream of the race? I keep finding porn... Which I don't mind, but my boss and IT guy don't seem to dig it.

crotchgrabber: Anyone got a stream of the race? I keep finding porn... Which I don't mind, but my boss and IT guy don't seem to dig it.

http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/92961/1/watch-nascar-:-nationwide- s eries:-ford-300.html

Jensaarai: Typical first lap of Nationwide.
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Tough luck for the Jesus-mobile. That was cool of Stewart to buy Shepard's tires for him, though.

Jesus, Morgan Shepherd can't catch a break, can he? Not watching at the moment - he get wrecked or did the engine let go?

That was cool of Tony to do that. Good man. I bet Evil Opie wouldn't have done that...

catastrophe averted: crotchgrabber: Anyone got a stream of the race? I keep finding porn... Which I don't mind, but my boss and IT guy don't seem to dig it.

http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/92961/1/watch-nascar-:-nationwide- s eries:-ford-300.html

Thank you. You have my vote for city councilman.

FiendishFellow05: Jensaarai: Typical first lap of Nationwide.
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Tough luck for the Jesus-mobile. That was cool of Stewart to buy Shepard's tires for him, though.

Jesus, Morgan Shepherd can't catch a break, can he? Not watching at the moment - he get wrecked or did the engine let go?

That was cool of Tony to do that. Good man. I bet Evil Opie wouldn't have done that...

Engine let go at the same time other guys were wrecking. 5 cars off track already, including him. I don't know if it's terminal, or one of those loose oil line deals. That was a wicked hit last week.

crotchgrabber: catastrophe averted: crotchgrabber: Anyone got a stream of the race? I keep finding porn... Which I don't mind, but my boss and IT guy don't seem to dig it.

http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/92961/1/watch-nascar-:-nationwide- s eries:-ford-300.html

Thank you. You have my vote for city councilman.

Vote me onto Jeff Gordon's pit crew tomorrow. That would be much more fun!!

Jensaarai: FiendishFellow05: Jensaarai: Typical first lap of Nationwide.
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Tough luck for the Jesus-mobile. That was cool of Stewart to buy Shepard's tires for him, though.

Jesus, Morgan Shepherd can't catch a break, can he? Not watching at the moment - he get wrecked or did the engine let go?

That was cool of Tony to do that. Good man. I bet Evil Opie wouldn't have done that...

Engine let go at the same time other guys were wrecking. 5 cars off track already, including him. I don't know if it's terminal, or one of those loose oil line deals. That was a wicked hit last week.

I know he said some last week after his got caught up in Sadler's wreck at Phoenix that the engine in his Phoenix car was the same one he was taking to Homestead, and he wasn't sure if it would hold up. So either it was the same engine and it didn't hold up, or something else happened. Ah, well.

I want to see Sadler pull this out for KHI, but it's not going to happen.

/Didn't help he couldn't win a race all season.

Speaking of Wallace throwing cars at the fence...

Race official. Steven Wallace in the wall.



No idea why they threw the caution, though. It wasn't that hard.

Stenhouse Jr. is champion, and likely to get the 21 ride in Cup next year. Good job, kid.

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Stenhouse wins!

What happened?

Jensaarai: Stenhouse Jr. is champion, and likely to get the 21 ride in Cup next year. Good job, kid.

I hope not, that'd leave Trevor Bayne out of a ride.

FiendishFellow05: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Stenhouse wins!

What happened?

Jensaarai: Stenhouse Jr. is champion, and likely to get the 21 ride in Cup next year. Good job, kid.

I hope not, that'd leave Trevor Bayne out of a ride.

6 cars dropped out of the race, meaning Stenhouse could park it now even if Sadler won and led the most laps.

They were saying Roush wants Bayne in Nationwide full time to get a shot at the championship, and that Stenhouse has earned a shot at Cup by pulling it off this year, so he's "talking to," the Wood Bros. They may be reluctant to give Bayne up, but they might be even more reluctant to endanger their support from Roush.

Holy crap, Edwards. You're lucky Bowyer got the hell out of your way.

"The only way for the 18 to win, is to get ahead."

Thanks Jamie. You have a firm grasp of the obvious.

5 bucks says we get a "while you were away," pass for the lead.

If you were the one with the open mic would you admit it?
No. No you wouldn't.

Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: Why don't Nascar fans like F1 again?

Its mostly the other way around near as I can tell

Jensaarai: 5 bucks says we get a "while you were away," pass for the lead.

Hmm, no. Keselowski was able to hold him off till now.

crotchgrabber: If you were the one with the open mic would you admit it?
No. No you wouldn't.

Oddly, the same thing happened to one of the 3 championship contenders last night in the Truck race. It's a conspiracy!

(Or a dick with a powerful multi channel radio.)

Well crap. I was listening to Stenhouse on TrackPass, but the team switched to channel 2. They still hadn't told him he clinched, unless it was a code like "they just turned the lights on."

TrackPass has Stenhouse again.

/it is free on NASCAR.com btw
//all drivers, thanks to Nationwide Insurance

good_2_go: TrackPass has Stenhouse again.

/it is free on NASCAR.com btw
//all drivers, thanks to Nationwide Insurance

Where do I go for the free TrackPass? I'm logged on to nascar.com and still can't find it.

catastrophe averted: good_2_go: TrackPass has Stenhouse again.

/it is free on NASCAR.com btw
//all drivers, thanks to Nationwide Insurance

Where do I go for the free TrackPass? I'm logged on to nascar.com and still can't find it.

Nevermind. Found the link from the live leaderboard.

catastrophe averted: good_2_go: TrackPass has Stenhouse again.

/it is free on NASCAR.com btw
//all drivers, thanks to Nationwide Insurance

Where do I go for the free TrackPass? I'm logged on to nascar.com and still can't find it.

Click on :Live: Nationwide Series
Then click on Listen Live: In Car Audio

I wonder if M&M Mars will keep Kyle on next year? I guess his car sponsor for this race pulled him.
If M&Ms does drop Kyle who would be a good match as sponsor for him?