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2011-11-19 12:04:49 AM
The Internet is open 24 hours a day including holidays. How can the big retailers compete with that?

/and lets me sleep in
 
2011-11-19 12:41:53 AM
themindiswatching: The Internet is open 24 hours a day including holidays. How can the big retailers compete with that?

/and lets me sleep in


By offering a small number of very limited quantity items that appear to be very well priced in order to encourage customers to physically enter the stores with an urgent and anticipating mindset while offering a large number of reduced (but still profitable) priced items to be offered as an effective consolation prize available for immediate purchasing gratification to sate the original desire to get the huge deal before the opportunity arises to step back, research the item, and compare prices on the internet.
 
2011-11-19 12:52:21 AM
Other analysts think this year's extended hours are meant to distract shoppers from a lack of exciting inventory.

Yah, ya think?
I worked Black Friday one year at Circus Shiatty. There was maybe 7-10 items of significant importance that they would drastically mark down, but package with shiatty, overpriced peripherals (i.e. Monster™®© Cables) . Plus, you had to buy the package to get the deal.
 
2011-11-19 12:57:17 AM
TheOmni: before the opportunity arises to step back, research the item, and compare prices on the internet.

I guess you haven't heard of any of the iOS/Android barcode scanning apps.
 
2011-11-19 01:38:39 AM
SUBBY: The only winning Black Friday game is not to play

How can any farker screw up a line from WarGames?

How about:

The only winning Black Friday move is not to play
 
2011-11-19 01:58:39 AM
Hasn't this girl got enough attention, we don't have to give her a game too
 
2011-11-19 03:38:00 AM
In my opinion, the day after Thanksgiving is the biggest shopping day of the year.
 
2011-11-19 03:52:08 AM
So the chain will revert to its original plan to open at 4 a.m. on Friday. "I think there's a group of customers that don't aspire to get up in the middle of the night," Aiello said.

This guy's insight is as keen as a vorpal sword.
 
2011-11-19 03:53:55 AM
themindiswatching: I guess you haven't heard of any of the iOS/Android barcode scanning apps.

People who have and use those would be sitting at home buying on the internet.
 
2011-11-19 06:48:05 AM
Stores probably have very low inventories and buyers have very thin wallets.
 
2011-11-19 06:56:14 AM
i140.photobucket.com
 
2011-11-19 06:58:06 AM
themindiswatching: The Internet is open 24 hours a day including holidays. How can the big retailers compete with that?

/and lets me sleep in



I was surprised that people still do this lining up outside of stores thing on Black Friday. How pathetic, and how little their time must be worth to wait literally days just to save 5% on some cheap plastic shiat you could order over the internet in 5 minutes without even getting off the couch.

But then you look at the people lined up, and they all seem to have that Walmart look about them.
 
2011-11-19 07:21:47 AM
Relatively Obscure: So the chain will revert to its original plan to open at 4 a.m. on Friday. "I think there's a group of customers that don't aspire to get up in the middle of the night," Aiello said.

This guy's insight is as keen as a vorpal sword.


I read that and said, "what!?" myself. Because for me to be functional at 4:00 a.m., I'd have to get up at about 2:30.

I haven't decided on Black Friday participation this year. I've seen a good early (6 a.m.) deal on a laptop I've been looking at, but I want to see if a couple of other ads sneak out (Microcenter and Frys) before I haul myself out of bed that early on my day off.
 
2011-11-19 08:50:57 AM
I've done the Black Friday BS once. ONCE.

Never friggin' again. The only shopping I do on Black Friday is Amazon, and this year possibly not even that. I am having a couple safes delivered/installed, but that's just because it was a convenient time for the company to do it.

It's a zoo, the customers are pains in the ass, and the deals suck; they're usually on crap that isn't worth owning anyway- so what if that flat panel TV is $200? It's a cheap Chinese POS that makes Westinghouse look like high end gear.

Hell no, I won't go. Out of respect for myself and my money, I want no part in it. Especially out of respect for the retail workers, who are abused by both the company and the customers on Thanksgiving and Black Friday. If enough consumers would do this as well we might just see a retreat from this kind of crap, but no, the people don't. They go out, shop, and whine about how retailers, in catering to them, mistreat employees.
 
2011-11-19 09:07:44 AM
My Black Friday shopping spree will basically consisting of looking at Steam and seeing if they have any products I've been wanting for a ridiculous price.

I will do this late in the evening with a warm cup of hot chocolate in my hand.
 
2011-11-19 09:24:01 AM
Black Friday is a great thing- to be nowhere near. From Thanksgiving through New Year's day, I do not go near a shopping center for any reason. There could be a terrorist with a nuke in the nearest mall and I'm the only one who can disarm it before it goes off, and I still wouldn't go there.
 
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2011-11-19 09:25:36 AM
Never shopped Black Friday. Never will. If I need things, I get them. If I don't, I don't. Insufferably smug about it, too.

/That said, for years my wife had to work on Black Fridays and I'm really happy she doesn't anymore.
 
2011-11-19 09:30:48 AM
FTFA:
"If you build it, they will come," said NPD Group chief industry analyst Marshal Cohen, "but they won't come in the dead of night. To me, you're not going to sell more product just because you're open more hours. It's more of a smoke screen than it is a solution to the issue."

That's the same stupid argument that people against Sunday shopping said in my province before it came into affect about 1 year ago.
Of course that is more of a right of a business to have hours whenever the fark they want, than what the guy in article meant.

/don't get me started on sunday shopping or minimum wage
//waiting for online deals
///240gb SSD for $300 please.
 
2011-11-19 09:32:55 AM
Not only will there be better deals on the internet, but you'll find those same Black Friday prices back in the stores in several weeks.

Sad to see folks piling on more debt for some perceived "bargain".
 
2011-11-19 09:33:30 AM
My first year in US I drove round the mall no to shop but to see what black friday is about. 6 am and I got stuck in traffic. Took me 1.5 hrs to get back. Never again I promised myself.
 
2011-11-19 09:56:52 AM
I don't have to worry about it, because my Nook Tablet is being shipped to me.

/will be playing with new toy next Friday
 
2011-11-19 10:42:57 AM
I never understood this driving desire either. One year, my wife decided we HAD to go shopping on friday. What a freaking nightmare. People were assholes, the places were packed and the 'deal's were really not that compelling. I'd rather take is easy for the day instead of 'saving' $20 on crap that I really didn't need to buy in the first place. Thankfully she agreed.

Internet shopping is the way to go.

This black friday I will be at my mom's house. The order of business will be to eat, shoot skeet and then drink beer. That has to be several order of magnitudes better than standing in a farking line to buy the Cars 2 DVD/Blueray ultra pack for an extra $5 off.
 
2011-11-19 11:01:34 AM
The funniest thing about Black Friday shoppers: none of them are ever in grocery stores. So I go grocery shopping on Black Friday, and then just play video games all day. Win/win in my book.
 
2011-11-19 11:04:24 AM
My SO is working Black Friday at Big Box Retailer. He's a big dude, so they've got him working "security" on a pallet of "high-end" goods.

They're not paying him any extra money, nor are they offering an extra day off in exchange for dealing with this BS.

The job market in our town is so bad, and job security there is even worse. He can't afford to say, "fark you, this is bullshiat" and walk out, like he wants to.

/they short his hours, too
//gotta keep that CEO pay high
///because, fark you
 
2011-11-19 11:05:01 AM
Some local retailers are still undecided on their Black Friday hours and will make last-minute decisions, according to Cohen.

Congratulations, local retailers. You picked the one option which virtually guarantees nobody will be coming to your store. "Will we be open? Even WE don't know! Come to the store at some ungodly early hour of the morning and find out!"
 
2011-11-19 11:37:31 AM
Nothing but suckers' bargains are being sold on Black Friday. That manufactured garbage will break in no time. Anyone who shops on Black Friday should be committed to an idiot asylum.
 
2011-11-19 11:40:43 AM
This sounds like something the Occupy troops should get behind. Use email, twitter, social media to encourage everyone they know not to participate in Black Friday.

To steal from an antiwar poster from the early '70s:
Suppose they gave a sale and nobody came?
 
2011-11-19 11:43:50 AM
We usually shop on Black Friday, just because we are visiting my grandma, and we want to get the Christmas shopping she needs to do out of the way. We don't go door busting or anything, usually around 1pm so all the early birds are leaving.

I love going to Lowes on black Friday, they usually have a big sale on random stuff like I like. Last year I got a nice 5 gallon bucket for like 3 dollars. I have been slowly building my tool kit with on sale tools on black Friday, they always have precision screwdrivers, and I'm a sucker for precision screwdrivers.
 
2011-11-19 11:49:16 AM
Sarah Palin's Conscience: My SO is working Black Friday at Big Box Retailer. He's a big dude, so they've got him working "security" on a pallet of "high-end" goods.

They're not paying him any extra money, nor are they offering an extra day off in exchange for dealing with this BS.

The job market in our town is so bad, and job security there is even worse. He can't afford to say, "fark you, this is bullshiat" and walk out, like he wants to.

/they short his hours, too
//gotta keep that CEO pay high
///because, fark you


I'm still convinced that the people who decided to have stores open at Midnight won't even been working on Black Friday
 
2011-11-19 11:51:34 AM
If someone attempts to wake me early on friday, I'll make em black and blue
 
2011-11-19 11:53:21 AM
Small business Saturday 26 Nov. I'm buying myself a 60D from my local camera store. No Best Buy or Amazon this year for me. This year I'm gonna try to buy all of my gifts from local businesses.
 
2011-11-19 11:55:03 AM
t3knomanser: Black Friday is a great thing- to be nowhere near. From Thanksgiving through New Year's day, I do not go near a shopping center for any reason. There could be a terrorist with a nuke in the nearest mall and I'm the only one who can disarm it before it goes off, and I still wouldn't go there.

I think we just found the plot for the next die hard movie
 
2011-11-19 12:25:04 PM
I am a cashier at Wal*Mart and will be working 6pm Thanksgiving night until 2am. Sales drop at 10pm and midnight, so Jeebus have mercy upon my soul.
 
2011-11-19 12:49:03 PM
http://www.fatwallet.com/black-friday/

If you insist. Read the threads, these are people that look for deals anywhere and if they say something is a deal I trust them. Thing is the consensus on BF is that there really aren't any big deals.
 
2011-11-19 12:50:54 PM
This story is top shelf spin, pure and simple.

The truth is the mall and the retail outlet has been declining for years due to decreased consumer purchasing power, the rise of online shopping, and economic depression. Retail outlets don't want to admit that its because of changing times and decreasing consumption habits, so they play that off with a lil sour grapes music: "oh, we've changed our policy." "people don't really like Black Friday." "It's not that important to our bottom line."

But we all know the reasons.
 
2011-11-19 01:47:11 PM
t3knomanser: Black Friday is a great thing- to be nowhere near. From Thanksgiving through New Year's day, I do not go near a shopping center for any reason. There could be a terrorist with a nuke in the nearest mall and I'm the only one who can disarm it before it goes off, and I still wouldn't go there.

Amen brother. Maybe 12 years ago I could set the alarm for 4:AM, hit three stores and be home by 6 to get a few more hours sleep.
The year after that I saw lines with 100's of people in front of every store I wanted to go to. Not worth it.
 
2011-11-19 02:44:09 PM
I will be celebrating this Black Friday just as I have for the past six years: By using the day to watch the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy (extended version DVDs), and enjoying turkey sandwiches and beers. It is, in my opinion, the finest thing one can do that day.
 
2011-11-19 03:36:20 PM
hmm... crowds of morons wasting their money and spreading their germs in the middle of the night or sleeping til 1:30 pm then waking up, eating sausage gumbo and watching LSU vs. Arkansas?
 
2011-11-19 05:37:44 PM
darkscout: http://www.fatwallet.com/black-friday/

If you insist. Read the threads, these are people that look for deals anywhere and if they say something is a deal I trust them. Thing is the consensus on BF is that there really aren't any big deals.


If you follow Fatwallet.com or slickdeals.net, you know the best deals happen throughout the year. BF deals have been going down hill for several years now. The lost leaders are just being bought up by the re-sellers who are willing to camp half a week to get a $150 dollar laptop and a $200 TV. Of course these idiots don't buy anything that actually makes the store a profit. On the other side of the coin, anyone with half a brain knows that they aren't going to get any of those lost leaders, so these items have little draw on regular shoppers. Who the hell thinks "wow, that's a great deal on a laptop, I'll go to the store 9 or 10 this morning and pick one up. I'm sure they have plenty of stock."
 
2011-11-19 05:51:12 PM
I've done Black Friday once. While I thought I got some decent deals on some clothes, it certainly isn't worth the crowds of nutcases.

This year, Shogun Total War, beer, and leftovers.
 
2011-11-19 06:00:16 PM
The Guinness is already in the house. Once the turkey is cooked the chili will be put in the pot for Friday's lunch. Two bowls of turkey chili and 5-6 Guinness and I will be ready for my annual trip to the mall to crop dust the escalators and I won't buy a damned thing.
 
2011-11-19 06:22:51 PM
My first year in US I drove round the mall no to shop but to see what black friday is about. 6 am and I got stuck in traffic. Took me 1.5 hrs to get back. Never again I promised myself.


you damn commie
 
2011-11-19 06:38:12 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: I will be celebrating this Black Friday just as I have for the past six years: By using the day to watch the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy (extended version DVDs), and enjoying turkey sandwiches and beers. It is, in my opinion, the finest thing one can do that day.

Um thanks - i just figured out what the kid and I are doing
 
2011-11-19 07:41:33 PM
I'm seriously contemplating opting out of gift exchanging altogether this Christmas. I can buy my own crap, thank you very much. That, and the stuff they typically offer as door crashers is usually nothing special, stuff that they're largely trying to punt anyway.
 
2011-11-19 08:41:41 PM
haemaker: SUBBY: The only winning Black Friday game is not to play

How can any farker screw up a line from WarGames?

How about:

The only winning Black Friday move is not to play


War Games sucked. Get a life, nerd.
 
2011-11-19 08:49:44 PM
Dead for Tax Reasons: Hasn't this girl got enough attention, we don't have to give her a game too

This comment is not getting the love it rightfully deserves.

/fun fun fun FUN!
 
2011-11-19 08:51:26 PM
a2.twimg.com
 
2011-11-19 08:55:33 PM
born_yesterday: This year, Shogun Total War, beer, and leftovers.



BROFIST
 
2011-11-19 09:17:32 PM
I can still do amazon shopping from the deer stand.
 
2011-11-19 11:21:28 PM
Toquinha: I'm seriously contemplating opting out of gift exchanging altogether this Christmas. I can buy my own crap, thank you very much. That, and the stuff they typically offer as door crashers is usually nothing special, stuff that they're largely trying to punt anyway.

Out family did that years ago. Just the kids pretty much get a few things, but for the most part, we're out of the holiday consumerism madness.
 
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