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(Live Science) Spiffy If you were intensely engaged in a dynamic, bidirectional, biological dialogue when an infant you are a more erudite person than those bottle feeders   (livescience.com) divider line 42
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2011-11-18 04:32:51 PM
Aaaannnddd *all* my children are farking geniuses.

They got all the good stuff, leaving me with quite a bit less than I started with.

I don't hold it against them, anymore.
 
2011-11-18 05:11:18 PM
"...when you were an infant", ya bottle-feeder.
 
2011-11-18 08:24:18 PM
boobies r good
 
2011-11-18 08:25:53 PM
I was born a man-child.
 
2011-11-18 08:25:55 PM
Last paragraph in the article:

"Mothers who cannot breast-feed should not be alarmed; in fact if Raju's analysis is correct, they should be relieved. The missing ingredient may not be in the infant formula itself, but rather in the experience of an infant in a mother's arms feeding at her breast. This natural mode of feeding promotes the closest and most beneficial physical and emotional dialogue between mother and child, but recognizing the importance of this interaction, mothers and fathers of formula-fed infants can take care not to 'overlook the obvious,' and work to provide the ingredient that is missing in a baby bottle."

So it's not actually breast-feeding; it's being close and developing an emotional bond. The whole point of science is to be accurate and precise, and crappy misleading reporting like this article is undermining the science it's reporting on.
 
2011-11-18 08:26:53 PM
F'kin' duh subby.
You sound as if you suffered from nipple confusion, perhaps still do.
 
2011-11-18 08:27:19 PM
I talked to boobs back then, and I talk to boobs now.
 
2011-11-18 08:29:21 PM
Funny, I still like boobs.
 
2011-11-18 08:30:01 PM
Indubitably: Funny, I still like boobs.

Boobs now is/are better.
 
2011-11-18 08:30:06 PM
mgshamster: The whole point of science is to be accurate and precise, and crappy misleading reporting like this article is undermining the science it's reporting on.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-11-18 08:31:32 PM
mgshamster: Last paragraph in the article:

"Mothers who cannot breast-feed should not be alarmed; in fact if Raju's analysis is correct, they should be relieved. The missing ingredient may not be in the infant formula itself, but rather in the experience of an infant in a mother's arms feeding at her breast. This natural mode of feeding promotes the closest and most beneficial physical and emotional dialogue between mother and child, but recognizing the importance of this interaction, mothers and fathers of formula-fed infants can take care not to 'overlook the obvious,' and work to provide the ingredient that is missing in a baby bottle."

So it's not actually breast-feeding; it's being close and developing an emotional bond. The whole point of science is to be accurate and precise, and crappy misleading reporting like this article is undermining the science it's reporting on.


Gots to have that grant money somehow, and these scientific no sh*t 'studies' really reel them in.
 
2011-11-18 08:33:18 PM
mgshamster: Last paragraph in the article:

"Mothers who cannot breast-feed should not be alarmed; in fact if Raju's analysis is correct, they should be relieved. The missing ingredient may not be in the infant formula itself, but rather in the experience of an infant in a mother's arms feeding at her breast. This natural mode of feeding promotes the closest and most beneficial physical and emotional dialogue between mother and child, but recognizing the importance of this interaction, mothers and fathers of formula-fed infants can take care not to 'overlook the obvious,' and work to provide the ingredient that is missing in a baby bottle."

So it's not actually breast-feeding; it's being close and developing an emotional bond. The whole point of science is to be accurate and precise, and crappy misleading reporting like this article is undermining the science it's reporting on.


Maybe, too, more intelligent mothers tend to breast-feed longer, and interact more with their kids in other ways too rather than placating them with a bottle.
 
2011-11-18 08:33:55 PM
OH THE NATURAL OPTION MIGHT BE MORE HEALTHY FOR THE CHILD'S NEUROLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT? YOU DON'T SAY?

YOU

DONT

FARKING

SAY!?
 
2011-11-18 08:36:50 PM
mgshamster: Last paragraph in the article:

"Mothers who cannot breast-feed should not be alarmed; in fact if Raju's analysis is correct, they should be relieved. The missing ingredient may not be in the infant formula itself, but rather in the experience of an infant in a mother's arms feeding at her breast. This natural mode of feeding promotes the closest and most beneficial physical and emotional dialogue between mother and child, but recognizing the importance of this interaction, mothers and fathers of formula-fed infants can take care not to 'overlook the obvious,' and work to provide the ingredient that is missing in a baby bottle."

So it's not actually breast-feeding; it's being close and developing an emotional bond. The whole point of science is to be accurate and precise, and crappy misleading reporting like this article is undermining the science it's reporting on.


I'm calling shenanigans! That is a myth perpetuated by the formula industry.

Does anyone really think mothers who don't breastfeed really spend less time holding and being with their infants? Because that is where the emotion bond they refer to comes from. Human milk contains things that formula does not. This study clearly shows reason to believe those things have an effect on IQ.
 
2011-11-18 08:38:46 PM
AbbeySomeone: Gots to have that grant money somehow, and these scientific no sh*t 'studies' really reel them in.

I generally am not bothered with "no shiat, sherlock" type studies. There have been many instances where what we assumed was true, or thought was true because of "common sense" ended up being completely false, and it was the research into it which revealed that we were all wrong.

Besides, having evidence to confirm what we thought was correct is always helpful, and can potentially lead to new research that we hadn't thought of before. For example, I know a woman who did research into the origins of the domestic cat. It turns out that the domestic cat originated in Egypt. A lot of people said, "no shiat, we already knew that." But her DNA database from that project is starting to become extremely useful for forensic cases in which the suspect or victim has a cat; the cat hairs which are transferred from one to the other can be analyzed using the techniques she developed.
 
2011-11-18 08:43:56 PM
Indubitably: Indubitably: Funny, I still like boobs.

Boobs now is/are better.


muhahahaha. quoted hisself. i'm gonna hafta remember that.
 
2011-11-18 08:47:03 PM
Came in to say that erudite means book-smart, not high IQ. Seems like a baby who bonded well would be less of a bookworm and more of a people person.
 
2011-11-18 08:48:14 PM
feckless vampire killer: Indubitably: Indubitably: Funny, I still like boobs.

Boobs now is/are better.

muhahahaha. quoted hisself. i'm gonna hafta remember that.


Dude.

This is SO not new.

Been excoriated before and survived.

What you got?

Surprise me.

Already known for quoting meself for effect. Works, no?

;)
 
2011-11-18 08:53:18 PM
I've worked in clinical trials that did long-term measures of IQ, with extensive testing, from toddlerhood to age 6, and it could not be proven that breast-feeding by itself was a cause of higher IQ. The fact that mothers who breast-fed had higher IQs in the first place, and that they were more highly educated, was much more significant. So, if you want intelligent children then marry an intelligent spouse and get an education yourself. The breast-feeding is great for your child's immune system and nutrition, and couldn't possibly hurt your child's intelligence, but it's not going to create Einstein.
 
2011-11-18 08:59:12 PM
Stories like this make me worried for my son. He was born six weeks early (no one knows why), which already puts him at a disadvantage. Then my wife was unable to breastfeed, so that worries me too.

Of course, I'm going to worry irrationally no matter what, being a new father.
 
2011-11-18 09:01:26 PM
Lord Dimwit: Stories like this make me worried for my son. He was born six weeks early (no one knows why), which already puts him at a disadvantage. Then my wife was unable to breastfeed, so that worries me too.

Of course, I'm going to worry irrationally no matter what, being a new father.


You worry too much.
 
2011-11-18 09:06:25 PM
Indubitably: Lord Dimwit: Stories like this make me worried for my son. He was born six weeks early (no one knows why), which already puts him at a disadvantage. Then my wife was unable to breastfeed, so that worries me too.

Of course, I'm going to worry irrationally no matter what, being a new father.

You worry too much.


Having parents that are concerned for his well being and the future gives him great advantage.
Just love him.
 
2011-11-18 09:08:31 PM
AbbeySomeone: Indubitably: Lord Dimwit: Stories like this make me worried for my son. He was born six weeks early (no one knows why), which already puts him at a disadvantage. Then my wife was unable to breastfeed, so that worries me too.

Of course, I'm going to worry irrationally no matter what, being a new father.

You worry too much.

Having parents that are concerned for his well being and the future gives him great advantage.
Just love him.


Here, here, darlin'.
 
2011-11-18 09:12:08 PM
AbbeySomeone: Indubitably: Lord Dimwit: Stories like this make me worried for my son. He was born six weeks early (no one knows why), which already puts him at a disadvantage. Then my wife was unable to breastfeed, so that worries me too.

Of course, I'm going to worry irrationally no matter what, being a new father.

You worry too much.

Having parents that are concerned for his well being and the future gives him great advantage.
Just love him.


Amen to that.
 
2011-11-18 09:18:52 PM
Of course, if the States actually gave maternity leave, you'd probably see breastfeeding levels rise.

/Canadian
 
2011-11-18 09:52:47 PM
God Is My Co-Pirate: Of course, if the States actually gave maternity leave, you'd probably see breastfeeding levels rise.

/Canadian


The USA doesn't give maternity leave?

/Canadian too
 
2011-11-18 10:11:02 PM
schmidtybone: God Is My Co-Pirate: Of course, if the States actually gave maternity leave, you'd probably see breastfeeding levels rise.

/Canadian

The USA doesn't give maternity leave?

/Canadian too


Six weeks is generally the maximum. Many places give only 30 days. A few rare places give 8 weeks, but those are extremely few and far between.
 
2011-11-18 10:14:35 PM
I understand the difference between correlation and causation, but then again, I was breast fed.
 
2011-11-18 10:17:57 PM
I see side boob in the article!!
 
2011-11-18 10:27:15 PM
Causal vs. casual.

Think about it.

Casual vs. causal.

Syllable-switch.

Boom.
 
2011-11-18 10:30:23 PM
Aigoo: schmidtybone: God Is My Co-Pirate: Of course, if the States actually gave maternity leave, you'd probably see breastfeeding levels rise.

/Canadian

The USA doesn't give maternity leave?

/Canadian too

Six weeks is generally the maximum. Many places give only 30 days. A few rare places give 8 weeks, but those are extremely few and far between.


Isn't that six weeks unpaid in places with more than 50 employees? I don't understand it myself. Just about every country on earth has national mat leave. Iraq does. Even North Korea does.
 
2011-11-18 10:48:41 PM
Aigoo: schmidtybone: God Is My Co-Pirate: Of course, if the States actually gave maternity leave, you'd probably see breastfeeding levels rise.

/Canadian

The USA doesn't give maternity leave?

/Canadian too

Six weeks is generally the maximum. Many places give only 30 days. A few rare places give 8 weeks, but those are extremely few and far between.


The USAF offers 3 months paid maternity leave. This is offered to women only. I wish men were offered paid maternity leave.

I can't speak for any civillians. I am curious if any Farker was offered a good maternity leave package in the US.
 
2011-11-18 10:50:18 PM
I'm gonna go motorboat all night. I'll be a frickin genius by morning.
 
2011-11-18 11:17:56 PM
Aigoo: schmidtybone: God Is My Co-Pirate: Of course, if the States actually gave maternity leave, you'd probably see breastfeeding levels rise.

/Canadian

The USA doesn't give maternity leave?

/Canadian too

Six weeks is generally the maximum. Many places give only 30 days. A few rare places give 8 weeks, but those are extremely few and far between.


Wow. That's not enough time at all. I just finished my paid year off and I'm taking an extra six months off unpaid. I'm not ready for strangers to watch my son just yet.
 
2011-11-18 11:22:39 PM
Sarah Palin's Conscience: Aigoo: schmidtybone: God Is My Co-Pirate: Of course, if the States actually gave maternity leave, you'd probably see breastfeeding levels rise.

/Canadian

The USA doesn't give maternity leave?

/Canadian too

Six weeks is generally the maximum. Many places give only 30 days. A few rare places give 8 weeks, but those are extremely few and far between.

The USAF offers 3 months paid maternity leave. This is offered to women only. I wish men were offered paid maternity leave.

I can't speak for any civillians. I am curious if any Farker was offered a good maternity leave package in the US.


my wife got 3 months paid and she tacked her vacation on to the end.
 
2011-11-18 11:28:24 PM
Lord Dimwit: Stories like this make me worried for my son. He was born six weeks early (no one knows why), which already puts him at a disadvantage. Then my wife was unable to breastfeed, so that worries me too.

Of course, I'm going to worry irrationally no matter what, being a new father.


I recall reading a study at some point that says skin on skin contact helps a baby's mental development. Strip the kid down and stick him under your shirt - literally. Or spend a few minutes before bed with him lying on your bare chest ( or your wife's ). We do it with our little guy and it's really an amazing feeling. It's fun to do and supposedly helps. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the connection between IQ and breastfeeding too.
 
2011-11-19 12:14:38 AM
Aigoo: schmidtybone: God Is My Co-Pirate: Of course, if the States actually gave maternity leave, you'd probably see breastfeeding levels rise.

/Canadian

The USA doesn't give maternity leave?

/Canadian too

Six weeks is generally the maximum. Many places give only 30 days. A few rare places give 8 weeks, but those are extremely few and far between.


Unpaid. Unless you're in New Jersey.
 
2011-11-19 04:41:19 AM
I'm waiting for some Farkette with a little person to admit she has had an orgasm from breast feeding

/it's more likely than you think
 
2011-11-19 09:54:49 AM
I don't understand why mothers don't breastfeed, unless they're incapable of doing so. Can anyone clue me in?

Also, with the discussion on maternity leave, I'd like to point this out:
Children breast-fed longer than six months scored a 3.8-point IQ margin over those who were bottle-fed

Breastfed longer than six months= longer maternity leave
Longer maternity leave= higher paying and more valuable job
Higher paying and more valuable job= Higher IQ of mother
 
2011-11-19 10:45:45 AM
Need_MindBleach: I don't understand why mothers don't breastfeed, unless they're incapable of doing so. Can anyone clue me in?

Also, with the discussion on maternity leave, I'd like to point this out:
Children breast-fed longer than six months scored a 3.8-point IQ margin over those who were bottle-fed

Breastfed longer than six months= longer maternity leave
Longer maternity leave= higher paying and more valuable job
Higher paying and more valuable job= Higher IQ of mother


A lot of misinformation. Many new mom who I have spoken with said anything from they couldn't do it (poor education), that it hurt too much (it does at first; person unwilling to "stick it out"), to that they don't want "saggy boobies" (yes, they will hang. It's about you anymore, deal with it). One person I encountered admitted that she wanted to start drinking alochol again.

A lot of new moms don't have the time to work it out with the new baby, either. It can be a frustrating experience.

Some mothers have said that it would be easier to use formula while they work. This, I feel, is the most expensive thing to do, and it really is much harder. With breastmilk, all you do is pump and store. You don't have to worry about "wasting (formula)," because human will never run out as long as you're using it.
 
2011-11-19 04:00:16 PM
Let's look at this a different way.

Bottlefed babies have lower IQ's than those who received extended breastfeeding.

Breastfeeding should be the default, not the exception.
 
2011-11-20 11:27:49 AM
Suckin on titties makes you smart!
 
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