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2011-11-18 02:36:16 PM
Wow, what material is more than 99.99 percent air?
 
2011-11-18 02:42:18 PM

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: Wow, what material is more than 99.99 percent air?


something 99.9900000000000000000000000000000000000001% ?
 
2011-11-18 02:43:59 PM
Aerogel called. It wants it's media hype back
 
2011-11-18 02:44:16 PM

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: Wow, what material is more than 99.99 percent air?


Golly, if only there were some source of information on the topic that were somehow available...
 
2011-11-18 02:44:18 PM
Damn .01%ers. Always ruining everything
 
2011-11-18 02:46:39 PM
More basic research funneled through the Pentagon. Wonderful.
 
2011-11-18 02:51:54 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Aerogel called. It wants it's media hype back


According to Info at NASA's Stardust project (new window), aerogel is 3mg/cc, though that number doesn't appear to exclude the density of air (1.2mg/cc), so the "non-air" density of the record-holding aerogel would be 1.8mg/cc, compared to the 0.9mg/cc density of this material.
 
2011-11-18 02:54:17 PM
Smeggy Smurf:

Aerogel called. It wants it's media hype back

Areogel can't conduct nor rebound from deformation. This stuff is probably no good as a thermal insulator.

Apples and oranges are both round, but...
 
2011-11-18 02:56:14 PM

bhcompy: Damn .01%ers. Always ruining everything


I am air. I am the 99.99%
 
2011-11-18 02:59:29 PM

maxheck: Smeggy Smurf:

Aerogel called. It wants it's media hype back

Areogel can't conduct nor rebound from deformation. This stuff is probably no good as a thermal insulator.

Apples and oranges are both round, but...


Quit interjecting facts into my Friday Farking. What the hell is this, a legitimate website or something?
 
2011-11-18 03:01:41 PM
DARPA is the only part of the military (outside of the parts directly relating to troop pay and benefits) that I find economically justifiable. They're responsible for pretty much all of American innovation in the last 50 years in some way, particularly thanks to that whole "internet" thing.
 
2011-11-18 03:04:23 PM
Smeggy Smurf:

Quit interjecting facts into my Friday Farking. What the hell is this, a legitimate website or something?

Sorry, forgot where I was for a moment... I'll get my BAC up to minimum Fark levels and try again.
 
2011-11-18 03:08:34 PM

dragonchild: bhcompy: Damn .01%ers. Always ruining everything

I am air. I am the 99.99%


I joined the Occupy Air movement about 30 years ago.
 
2011-11-18 03:14:14 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Aerogel called. It wants it's media hype back


I saw aerogel on "Penn and Teller Tell a Lie" and thought it was interesting.

They also had another thing that was kind of like wallpaper that could withstand explosions, it was another military thing, and it was cool, too.
 
2011-11-18 03:18:00 PM

Nova81426: dragonchild: bhcompy: Damn .01%ers. Always ruining everything

I am air. I am the 99.99%

I joined the Occupy Air movement about 30 years ago.


I joined "occupy bad air" from a friend a LONG time ago.

/that statement made no sense.


On topic- DARPA is a good thing. But what are the real implications of this stuff other than the fluff article?
 
2011-11-18 03:22:26 PM

ritalinchild 54: Nova81426: dragonchild: bhcompy: Damn .01%ers. Always ruining everything

I am air. I am the 99.99%

I joined the Occupy Air movement about 30 years ago.

I joined "occupy bad air" from a friend a LONG time ago.

/that statement made no sense.


On topic- DARPA is a good thing. But what are the real implications of this stuff other than the fluff article?


Well, if DARPA is involved it generally means you're going to need to call Solid Snake
 
2011-11-18 03:23:17 PM

maxheck: Areogel can't conduct nor rebound from deformation. This stuff is probably no good as a thermal insulator.


but it's bad-ass when used in Cerenkov detectors to identify the species of paticles moving too quickly to identify via time-of-flight...
 
2011-11-18 03:23:35 PM

The Homer Tax: Smeggy Smurf: Aerogel called. It wants it's media hype back

I saw aerogel on "Penn and Teller Tell a Lie" and thought it was interesting.

They also had another thing that was kind of like wallpaper that could withstand explosions, it was another military thing, and it was cool, too.


I saw that too, and a few weeks later saw a Mythbusters episode where they made explosion-proof walls with spray-on bedliner.
 
2011-11-18 03:23:36 PM

maxheck: Areogel can't conduct nor rebound from deformation. This stuff is probably no good as a thermal insulator.


I think "no good" is overstating it. It's going to be a heck of a lot less conductive (to heat and electricity) than bulk nickel by volume, and depending on how much it interferes with convection, it might even be better than the air it contains.

Now, all we need is a way to make this identical structure out of silica (for insulating ability) or diamond (for strength).
 
2011-11-18 03:28:52 PM

MadRocketScientist: I saw that too, and a few weeks later saw a Mythbusters episode where they made explosion-proof walls with spray-on bedliner.


Me too.

I couldn't help but chuckle at the notion that the military likely spent millions and millions of dollars developing something that was effectively the same thing as spray-on bedliner for pickup trucks.
 
2011-11-18 03:30:23 PM

ritalinchild 54: Nova81426: dragonchild: bhcompy: Damn .01%ers. Always ruining everything

I am air. I am the 99.99%

I joined the Occupy Air movement about 30 years ago.

I joined "occupy bad air" from a friend a LONG time ago.

/that statement made no sense.


On topic- DARPA is a good thing. But what are the real implications of this stuff other than the fluff article?


Most likely as a light-weight building material for aircraft, missiles, etc.
 
2011-11-18 04:09:42 PM

hp6sa: ritalinchild 54: On topic- DARPA is a good thing. But what are the real implications of this stuff other than the fluff article?

Most likely as a light-weight building material for aircraft, missiles, etc.


And if we ever get serious about space exploration again, light-weight building materials will prove invaluable for spacecraft.

Although at the rate we're going, I'm guessing they'll find their way into IKEA products long before they find their way into space.
 
2011-11-18 04:25:14 PM
They made a high tech material from the last dump I took.

/dnrtfa yet
 
2011-11-18 04:32:17 PM
Researchers at HRL Laboratories and the Composites Center at the University of Southern California have created what they say is the lowest-density material, a lattice of hollow tubes of the metal nickel.

www.fozfan.com
No not again!
 
2011-11-18 04:42:48 PM
Come on Cohagen, give these people the air.
 
2011-11-18 04:54:48 PM
Ultralight metals. Amazing. What's next?

starringthecomputer.com
 
2011-11-18 05:10:24 PM
That is really cool stuff. Watching for scale.
 
2011-11-18 06:25:24 PM
that's a lot of hot air
 
2011-11-18 06:53:48 PM
The researchers made it by fabricating structures with features whose dimensions range from millimeters to a ten-thousandth of that

Wow, if only there were a system of measurements that would make comparing millimeters to ten thousands of a millimeter extremely easy.
 
2011-11-18 07:41:31 PM
I don't know why everyone is so excited, I've known many people who's brain was 99.99% air.
 
2011-11-18 08:06:06 PM

unyon: Ultralight metals. Amazing. What's next?

[starringthecomputer.com image 400x252]


These guys did it. (new window)
 
2011-11-18 08:06:46 PM
Bah, link fail.

This better. (new window)

http://www.physorg.com/news167925273.html
 
2011-11-18 08:26:10 PM

ritalinchild 54: On topic- DARPA is a good thing. But what are the real implications of this stuff other than the fluff article?


lighter equipment

/met someone who was trying to redesign structural steel members with a lattice in an attempt to make lighter structural members for building with
 
2011-11-18 09:38:49 PM
A Cadillac is mostly air.
 
2011-11-18 11:00:18 PM

hp6sa: ritalinchild 54: Nova81426: dragonchild: bhcompy: Damn .01%ers. Always ruining everything

I am air. I am the 99.99%

I joined the Occupy Air movement about 30 years ago.

I joined "occupy bad air" from a friend a LONG time ago.

/that statement made no sense.


On topic- DARPA is a good thing. But what are the real implications of this stuff other than the fluff article?

Most likely as a light-weight building material for aircraft, missiles, etc.


Cars, satellites, and anything that requires a ton of fuel to move and needs weight reduction.
 
2011-11-19 02:41:54 AM
Could someone with some know-how explain what a material like this could do with static electricity?



By my understanding, it's both the lightness of mylar, as well as the shape distributing the forces. It sure SEEMS like this stuff would be like, the awesomest version of that. But I can't seem to find enough info to back that idea up.
 
2011-11-19 04:29:40 AM
This will probably be great for motorsports. I could see Ferrari jumping on this.

With this material they could have an 800 lb MR V12 pushing 700-800 hp.
 
2011-11-19 04:51:58 AM

MadRocketScientist: According to Info at NASA's Stardust project (new window), aerogel is 3mg/cc, though that number doesn't appear to exclude the density of air (1.2mg/cc), so the "non-air" density of the record-holding aerogel would be 1.8mg/cc, compared to the 0.9mg/cc density of this material.


I may be just a simple space hyper-chicken lawyer, but I believe it's slightly possible that his response had less to do with the specific properties of each material, but how aerogel was supposed to be a world-changing substance 20 years ago according to some over-hyping, science-dumb members of the media, but it has yet to find "common" use in spite of the wondrous properties.
 
2011-11-19 07:22:22 AM

puffy999: MadRocketScientist: According to Info at NASA's Stardust project (new window), aerogel is 3mg/cc, though that number doesn't appear to exclude the density of air (1.2mg/cc), so the "non-air" density of the record-holding aerogel would be 1.8mg/cc, compared to the 0.9mg/cc density of this material.

I may be just a simple space hyper-chicken lawyer, but I believe it's slightly possible that his response had less to do with the specific properties of each material, but how aerogel was supposed to be a world-changing substance 20 years ago according to some over-hyping, science-dumb members of the media, but it has yet to find "common" use in spite of the wondrous properties.


This is true, we have had aerogel for something like 80 years as test samples (afaik) but only recently we found a way to make larger amounts so it is being considered for housing insulation. Apparently you could heat your house. Yes, your body heat would be enough to keep your house warm in winter. If it`s really cold light a candle or something.
 
2011-11-19 12:11:52 PM

dready zim: This is true, we have had aerogel for something like 80 years as test samples (afaik) but only recently we found a way to make larger amounts so it is being considered for housing insulation. Apparently you could heat your house. Yes, your body heat would be enough to keep your house warm in winter. If it`s really cold light a candle or something.


My wife would love that
 
2011-11-22 03:41:00 AM
I want to see a foam that contains a vaccum in the cells, that is *less* dense than air. Make it close-cell, so it can be cut into blocks, shapes, whatever and never lose buoancy.

Cut out fun shapes people can float around on.
 
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