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(io9) Interesting Joss Whedon reveals Marvel's strict set of rules for handling Nick Fury in The Avengers   (io9.com) divider line 63
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The Stealth Hippopotamus [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 01:24:26 PM
WANT!!!
 
IgG4 [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 01:32:39 PM
No retcons on how he used to be white?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
ArkAngel [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 02:16:01 PM
IgG4: No retcons on how he used to be white?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 265x400]

What does Nick Fury look like?
 
Diogenes [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 02:23:59 PM
IgG4: No retcons on how he used to be white?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 265x400]

1.bp.blogspot.com
Quiet, you!
 
Sybarite [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 02:51:42 PM
Rule 1: Nothing eats him.
 
Diogenes [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 02:56:32 PM
There will be no motherfarking snakes on the motherfarking Helicarrier.
 
Uchiha_Cycliste
2011-11-18 03:02:02 PM
This movie is going to kick ass.
And I have to admit I'm hoping for a tiny hidden background cameo of Buffy and Angel somewhere.
 
Diogenes [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 03:05:21 PM
Uchiha_Cycliste: This movie is going to kick ass.
And I have to admit I'm hoping for a tiny hidden background cameo of Buffy and Angel somewhere.

Among the many things I'm looking forward to is seeing Cobie Smulders as Agent Maria Hill.
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 03:08:50 PM
I'm hoping against hope that there will be a tiny waif girl who kicks everyone's ass while spouting off sarcastic dialog. But call be a dreamer.
 
Uchiha_Cycliste
2011-11-18 03:26:39 PM
Diogenes: Uchiha_Cycliste: This movie is going to kick ass.
And I have to admit I'm hoping for a tiny hidden background cameo of Buffy and Angel somewhere.

Among the many things I'm looking forward to is seeing Cobie Smulders as Agent Maria Hill.

This movie is totally going to rule. =D
 
mrshowrules [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 03:28:01 PM
IgG4: No retcons on how he used to be white?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 265x400]

There is nothing fundamental about his character that ever required him to be white. Samuel Jackson was a great choice in my mind.

Storm has to be black because she came from an African village, part of her origin narrative. Thor pretty much has to be white with the whole Norwegian mythology thing.

If you had to retcon it, I would make it that he was always black but disguised himself as a white person for a particular mission or to move up the ranks in a military (many years ago) that prevented advancement of black people.
 
Uchiha_Cycliste
2011-11-18 03:28:09 PM
Mugato: I'm hoping against hope that there will be a tiny waif girl who kicks everyone's ass while spouting off sarcastic dialog. But call be a dreamer.

ಠ_ಠ

\heh
 
Uchiha_Cycliste
2011-11-18 03:33:51 PM
mrshowrules: IgG4: No retcons on how he used to be white?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 265x400]

There is nothing fundamental about his character that ever required him to be white. Samuel Jackson was a great choice in my mind.

Storm has to be black because she came from an African village, part of her origin narrative. Thor pretty much has to be white with the whole Norwegian mythology thing.

If you had to retcon it, I would make it that he was always black but disguised himself as a white person for a particular mission or to move up the ranks in a military (many years ago) that prevented advancement of black people.

No, no, no... comic books always have some sort of experiment that went horribly wrong, or an accident that has catastrophic effects. So picture this: Nick Fury under the direction of the US government, has been told that black communities in the 80's were being quietly poisoned my red-skull through the creation and distribution of crack. Fury agrees to undergo surgery to blacken him so he can infiltrate red-skull but something goes horribly wrong! And he ends up with the genes of a black man. Is it cliched enough?
 
Because People in power are Stupid [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 03:46:46 PM
No Scarlet Witch or Vision????

What a Scarlet Witch and Vision GIS may look like:

farm3.static.flickr.com
 
Diogenes [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 03:48:15 PM
Because People in power are Stupid: No Scarlet Witch or Vision????

What a Scarlet Witch and Vision GIS may look like:

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 375x500]

Vision looks like he's wearing adult diapers.
 
Rev. Skarekroe [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 04:18:17 PM
mrshowrules: If you had to retcon it, I would make it that he was always black but disguised himself as a white person for a particular mission or to move up the ranks in a military (many years ago) that prevented advancement of black people.

Or you could accept the well-worn comic book convention that the movies take place in an alternate universe from the comics.
 
MightyPez
2011-11-18 04:45:52 PM
Rev. Skarekroe: mrshowrules: If you had to retcon it, I would make it that he was always black but disguised himself as a white person for a particular mission or to move up the ranks in a military (many years ago) that prevented advancement of black people.

Or you could accept the well-worn comic book convention that the movies take place in an alternate universe from the comics.

Or in this case, movies generally based off a line of comics that are themselves in an alternate universe from the standard source canon.

Ultimate Nick Fury (new window)
 
redpanda2
2011-11-18 04:50:13 PM
ArkAngel: IgG4: No retcons on how he used to be white?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 265x400]

What does Nick Fury look like?

He's black? He's bald?
 
Cubicle Jockey
2011-11-18 05:06:36 PM
ArkAngel: What does Nick Fury look like?

What? What? Wh - ?
 
Hand to the Face
2011-11-18 05:14:23 PM
Uchiha_Cycliste: No, no, no... comic books always have some sort of experiment that went horribly wrong, or an accident that has catastrophic effects. So picture this: Nick Fury under the direction of the US government, has been told that black communities in the 80's were being quietly poisoned my red-skull through the creation and distribution of crack. Fury agrees to undergo surgery to blacken him so he can infiltrate red-skull but something goes horribly wrong! And he ends up with the genes of a black man. Is it cliched enough?

It's been done:
www.sadanduseless.com

Also see Red White & Black (new window) for an easy way to explain/retcon un-aging black Nick Fury.
 
Fano
2011-11-18 05:18:50 PM
mrshowrules: IgG4: No retcons on how he used to be white?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 265x400]

There is nothing fundamental about his character that ever required him to be white. Samuel Jackson was a great choice in my mind.

Storm has to be black because she came from an African village, part of her origin narrative. Thor pretty much has to be white with the whole Norwegian mythology thing.

If you had to retcon it, I would make it that he was always black but disguised himself as a white person for a particular mission or to move up the ranks in a military (many years ago) that prevented advancement of black people.

But how to explain Chris Tucker as Dum Dum Dugger?
 
beta_plus
2011-11-18 05:32:22 PM
FTFA: "Not that we don't have any fun with Nick, but he definitely - it's, I feel like a much more textured performance and at times really moving."

I am sick and tired of these motherf*ckin' mutants on this motherf*ckin' planet!

/yes, I know there are no usually no mutants in The Avengers
//can't remember what non-mutant super heros are called in Marvel
 
Uchiha_Cycliste
2011-11-18 05:36:10 PM
Hand to the Face: Uchiha_Cycliste: No, no, no... comic books always have some sort of experiment that went horribly wrong, or an accident that has catastrophic effects. So picture this: Nick Fury under the direction of the US government, has been told that black communities in the 80's were being quietly poisoned my red-skull through the creation and distribution of crack. Fury agrees to undergo surgery to blacken him so he can infiltrate red-skull but something goes horribly wrong! And he ends up with the genes of a black man. Is it cliched enough?

It's been done:
[www.sadanduseless.com image 450x669]

Also see Red White & Black (new window) for an easy way to explain/retcon un-aging black Nick Fury.

Oh for farks sake...

\at least that means my idea was believable.
 
wingnut396
2011-11-18 05:41:05 PM
mrshowrules: IgG4: No retcons on how he used to be white?


If you had to retcon it, I would make it that he was always black but disguised himself as a white person for a particular mission or to move up the ranks in a military (many years ago) that prevented advancement of black people.

Nah, he did it to get all the free white people stuff (new window).

www.hawaiireaders.com
 
moralpanic
2011-11-18 05:42:36 PM
Man, this looks so awesome.
 
stevetherobot
2011-11-18 05:44:26 PM
Rev. Skarekroe: mrshowrules: If you had to retcon it, I would make it that he was always black but disguised himself as a white person for a particular mission or to move up the ranks in a military (many years ago) that prevented advancement of black people.

Or you could accept the well-worn comic book convention that the movies take place in an alternate universe from the comics.

Or you could just not give a damn.
 
Hand to the Face
2011-11-18 05:45:50 PM
beta_plus: /yes, I know there are no usually no mutants in The Avengers
//can't remember what non-mutant super heros are called in Marvel

On the first point, Wolverine would disagree.
On the second, good question; everyone with powers in the DCU is a meta-human be they mutant, magic, alien, or other however I can't think of a blanket term for powered beings in the MarvelU. Anyone in the Fark hivemind know?
 
Underabridge
2011-11-18 05:51:23 PM
Fano: mrshowrules: IgG4: No retcons on how he used to be white?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 265x400]

There is nothing fundamental about his character that ever required him to be white. Samuel Jackson was a great choice in my mind.

Storm has to be black because she came from an African village, part of her origin narrative. Thor pretty much has to be white with the whole Norwegian mythology thing.

If you had to retcon it, I would make it that he was always black but disguised himself as a white person for a particular mission or to move up the ranks in a military (many years ago) that prevented advancement of black people.

But how to explain Chris Tucker as Dum Dum Dugger?

WTF?
 
plutoniumfeather
2011-11-18 05:51:26 PM
Nick was a sergeant, a white guy, who led a squad of talented misfits on numerous missions behind the lines in WWII. This dude's from an alternate universe.
 
Hand to the Face
2011-11-18 05:58:14 PM
plutoniumfeather: Nick was a sergeant, a white guy, who led a squad of talented misfits on numerous missions behind the lines in WWII. This dude's from an alternate universe.

One of many (new window).
 
GhostFish
2011-11-18 06:08:15 PM
Hand to the Face: beta_plus: /yes, I know there are no usually no mutants in The Avengers
//can't remember what non-mutant super heros are called in Marvel

On the first point, Wolverine would disagree.
On the second, good question; everyone with powers in the DCU is a meta-human be they mutant, magic, alien, or other however I can't think of a blanket term for powered beings in the MarvelU. Anyone in the Fark hivemind know?

Superhumans, as in the Superhuman Registration Act.
 
ronin7
2011-11-18 06:16:53 PM
MightyPez: Rev. Skarekroe: mrshowrules: If you had to retcon it, I would make it that he was always black but disguised himself as a white person for a particular mission or to move up the ranks in a military (many years ago) that prevented advancement of black people.

Or you could accept the well-worn comic book convention that the movies take place in an alternate universe from the comics.

Or in this case, movies generally based off a line of comics that are themselves in an alternate universe from the standard source canon.

Ultimate Nick Fury (new window)

Theres about an asston more 616 in those movies than Ultimate. Distilled though.

Seriously they pull from all over. Its annoying to hear people keep saying they are based off the Ultimates. which they really arent anymore than any other interpretation.
 
Hand to the Face
2011-11-18 06:17:36 PM
GhostFish: Hand to the Face: I can't think of a blanket term for powered beings in the MarvelU. Anyone in the Fark hivemind know?

Superhumans, as in the Superhuman Registration Act.

Thanks, so obvious that I couldn't think of it.
/more of a DC guy anyway.
 
ronin7
2011-11-18 06:18:29 PM
Rev. Skarekroe: mrshowrules: If you had to retcon it, I would make it that he was always black but disguised himself as a white person for a particular mission or to move up the ranks in a military (many years ago) that prevented advancement of black people.

Or you could accept the well-worn comic book convention that the movies take place in an alternate universe from the comics.

yeah. I mean what is up with this "he used to be white" nonsense.

616-Fury is still white.

Ultimate Fury is black

Movie Fury is black

nothing more to see here.
 
ronin7
2011-11-18 06:20:27 PM
beta_plus: FTFA: "Not that we don't have any fun with Nick, but he definitely - it's, I feel like a much more textured performance and at times really moving."

I am sick and tired of these motherf*ckin' mutants on this motherf*ckin' planet!

/yes, I know there are no usually no mutants in The Avengers
//can't remember what non-mutant super heros are called in Marvel

Some more Nerdage here, but while none of the founders were filthy mutants, the Avengers typically do have mutant members.

And you are thinking of the X-men.
 
ronin7
2011-11-18 06:22:13 PM
Hand to the Face: GhostFish: Hand to the Face: I can't think of a blanket term for powered beings in the MarvelU. Anyone in the Fark hivemind know?

Superhumans, as in the Superhuman Registration Act.

Thanks, so obvious that I couldn't think of it.
/more of a DC guy anyway.

Its more of a DC term but "metahuman" has been used before. sometimes the awkward phrase "people with powers" is used.
 
TwistedFark
2011-11-18 06:31:44 PM
Mugato: I'm hoping against hope that there will be a tiny waif girl who kicks everyone's ass while spouting off sarcastic dialog. But call be a dreamer.

I dunno man, this is Joss Whedon here. He doesn't do that kind of...

Oh shiat, I couldn't even get to the end of that sentance without feeling dirty.
 
Mentat [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 06:36:11 PM
Mugato: I'm hoping against hope that there will be a tiny waif girl who kicks everyone's ass while spouting off sarcastic dialog. But call be a dreamer.

You mean Black Widow?
 
ArkAngel [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 07:01:55 PM
ronin7: Rev. Skarekroe: mrshowrules: If you had to retcon it, I would make it that he was always black but disguised himself as a white person for a particular mission or to move up the ranks in a military (many years ago) that prevented advancement of black people.

Or you could accept the well-worn comic book convention that the movies take place in an alternate universe from the comics.

yeah. I mean what is up with this "he used to be white" nonsense.

616-Fury is still white.

Ultimate Fury is black

Movie Fury is black

nothing more to see here.

More to the point, Ultimate Nick Fury's design is based off Samuel L. Jackson
 
Nemo's Brother
2011-11-18 07:13:25 PM
redpanda2: ArkAngel: IgG4: No retcons on how he used to be white?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 265x400]

What does Nick Fury look like?

He's black? He's bald?

Does he look like a biatch?
 
hogans
2011-11-18 07:25:29 PM
Mentat: Mugato: I'm hoping against hope that there will be a tiny waif girl who kicks everyone's ass while spouting off sarcastic dialog. But call be a dreamer.

You mean Black Widow?

Wasp seems more appropriate, but you know how that ends.
 
Nemo's Brother
2011-11-18 07:28:10 PM
ronin7: MightyPez: Rev. Skarekroe: mrshowrules: If you had to retcon it, I would make it that he was always black but disguised himself as a white person for a particular mission or to move up the ranks in a military (many years ago) that prevented advancement of black people.

Or you could accept the well-worn comic book convention that the movies take place in an alternate universe from the comics.

Or in this case, movies generally based off a line of comics that are themselves in an alternate universe from the standard source canon.

Ultimate Nick Fury (new window)

Theres about an asston more 616 in those movies than Ultimate. Distilled though.

Seriously they pull from all over. Its annoying to hear people keep saying they are based off the Ultimates. which they really arent anymore than any other interpretation.

I think the movie universe is different than the regular and Ultimate ones.
 
Flappyhead
2011-11-18 07:56:06 PM
hogans: Mentat: Mugato: I'm hoping against hope that there will be a tiny waif girl who kicks everyone's ass while spouting off sarcastic dialog. But call be a dreamer.

You mean Black Widow?

Wasp seems more appropriate, but you know how that ends.

He fixes the cable?
 
red5ish
2011-11-18 08:17:48 PM
Hand to the Face:


You learn something every day. But in this case, just Wow. Holy cow. I need to be black for 24 hours. Holy sh...
 
moralpanic
2011-11-18 08:34:22 PM
Hand to the Face:

It's been done:
[www.sadanduseless.com image 450x669]


Is that a real comic? Because i'm surprised they used 'black' and not 'colored' or negro.
 
TravisBickle62
2011-11-18 08:43:52 PM
Nick Fury's superpower is that he gets really, really angry, and then he farts, farts of fury
 
Ass Exploder
2011-11-18 08:52:09 PM
redpanda2: ArkAngel: IgG4: No retcons on how he used to be white?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 265x400]

What does Nick Fury look like?

He's black? He's bald?

DOES HE LOOK LIKE SCARLET WITCH??
 
Hand to the Face
2011-11-18 09:00:46 PM
moralpanic: Hand to the Face:

It's been done:
[www.sadanduseless.com image 450x669]


Is that a real comic? Because i'm surprised they used 'black' and not 'colored' or negro.

Oh it is very real, published November 1970. Here is Cracked's look at it (new window).
 
IgG4 [TotalFark]
2011-11-18 10:30:10 PM
ArkAngel: More to the point, Ultimate Nick Fury's design is based off Samuel L. Jackson

So, retcon then?
 
Emposter
2011-11-18 10:39:25 PM
Anyone wanna repost here, or link to another site that doesn't take 20 years to get through noscript due to being made up entirely of advertisements and scripts?
 
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