So they were unhappy with how overly complex the current system is, and want to figure out a way to make it worse?

Seriously, playoffs are retardedly easy, and you can make the "BCS Bowl" games everything from the Elite 8 on.

basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

mjoven1975: basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

Hydra: mjoven1975: basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

Dr. Frisbee: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

Just have each Division I team play each other in a balanced schedule, then seed the top 64 teams like they do in basketball. Problem solved.

what i find funny sad is that there's talk of eliminating AQ status, but only after the drive to be in large AQs farked over tradition from coast to coast. thanks assholes.

8 team playoff

i've got a brilliant pipedream. Eight 10-team semi-geographical conferences that play round robin and the winners play a playoff.

Interesting how the dickwad ESPN writer put out an entire article and managed not to put a single name in it. It's all "an official", "a conference official", and "a BCS official". Wonder what he's trying to cover up? Is he trying not to be sued?
Maybe he's trying to "protect his sources" which would indicate that there is criminal activity going on.

128 teams, 9-week double elimination playoff. That's the season.

bulldg4life: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

mjoven1975: basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

Hydra: mjoven1975: basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

Dr. Frisbee: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

How about schools educating students and the NFL and the NBA running their won minor leagues.

Comic Book Guy: So they were unhappy with how overly complex the current system is, and want to figure out a way to make it worse?

Seriously, playoffs are retardedly easy, and you can make the "BCS Bowl" games everything from the Elite 8 on.

gtfan92: ihatebuttsex: bulldg4life: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

mjoven1975: basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

Hydra: mjoven1975: basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

Dr. Frisbee: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

1. Accept the Big East is dead as a football power.
2. Finish killing the Big12. Texas, OU, OSU, and someone over to the PAC12.
3. Stick Notre Dame somewhere. Really they should be left behind, but with their rabid fanbase the economics say they live on.
4. WVU is a little tricky. They have enough of a tradition and on the field success to live on but no really wants them. They might have to be an acceptable loss in all this unless we can foist them off on the SEC. B1G and ACC want nothing to do with WVU.
5. PAC16, SEC, B1G, and ACC split off and form their own division. PAC and ACC are likely at 16 (I'm assuming ND hops in the ACC and then the ACC balances with someone). SEC and B1G stay at 14 and 12. (Ideally I'd stick ND and Mizz in the B1G, WVU into the SEC so we 3 conferences at 14 and one at 16 but that not happening).

4 conferences, 4 champions, +1 playoff format. Less crap on the schedule since the conference schedules will have to be expanded. We can drop down to 2 OOC games and say games with lesser divisions don't count in the favor of bowls to encourage play within the new D-I.

D-I is getting too congested with crap teams and its time for the cream to jump off.

InOmnibusCaritas: gtfan92: ihatebuttsex: bulldg4life: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

mjoven1975: basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

Hydra: mjoven1975: basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

Dr. Frisbee: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

ha-ha-guy: 3 conferences at 14 and one at 16 but that not happening).

conferences larger than 10 are stupid. you can't determine a true champion. i like the idea of the cream leaving. (why is western kentucky a 1a football program?) just take the top 80 and make 8 10-team conferences.

InOmnibusCaritas: gtfan92: ihatebuttsex: bulldg4life: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

mjoven1975: basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

Hydra: mjoven1975: basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

Dr. Frisbee: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

Pratty: Comic Book Guy: So they were unhappy with how overly complex the current system is, and want to figure out a way to make it worse?

Seriously, playoffs are retardedly easy, and you can make the "BCS Bowl" games everything from the Elite 8 on.

gtfan92: ihatebuttsex: bulldg4life: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

mjoven1975: basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

Hydra: mjoven1975: basemetal: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

Dr. Frisbee: imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

I've said before and will say again:

*16-team playoff.
*Every conference- SEC down to the Sun Belt- gets an automatic bid. Undefeated teams that aren't already covered are also locked in. At-large slots fill out the rest. BCS computer handles at-larges and seeding.
*Campus sites until the neutral-site final.

A Fark Handle: ha-ha-guy: 3 conferences at 14 and one at 16 but that not happening).

conferences larger than 10 are stupid. you can't determine a true champion. i like the idea of the cream leaving. (why is western kentucky a 1a football program?) just take the top 80 and make 8 10-team conferences.

I think you can do it at 12 and 14 reasonable well. You play 12 regular season games a year. So that means you have 11 and 13 opponents respectively. In a 14 team conference, make it 2 OOC games a year. So you play 10 of 11 conference mates and you have to kick someone's tail in the title game. For a 14 team conference do one OOC game and you play 11 out of 13 and have to kick someone's tail in the title game.

Even in the 11 team B1G we normally had 2 teams we didn't play. As fans we likely get fewer excited OOC matchups. However most ADs were already little pussies when it came to OOC schedule so I'm willing to sacrifice it in exchange for a +1 playoff and the removal of people like San Diego State from our schedule.

Do You Know What I Am Saying: I think this is an improvement.

Well, yeah, it gets us one step closer to reverting to Mythical National Champions, which is still better than the BCS.

If it darks over ESPN somehow, I'm all for it.


/NHL 2night

Wellon Dowd: How about schools educating students and the NFL and the NBA running their won minor leagues.

The Universities don't have money in the budget for the whole "education" thing anymore. I mean, hell, it's not like that even leads to jobs for students. Better that they just focus on the students who are fast and have low body fat and can do certain things with balls*.

/*preferably not the assistant coaches'

This would arguably be worse than the current setup. At least now non-AQ teams have a hope of making it to a big bowl if they have a fantastic season. You think any of those bowls would willingly pick a non-AQ team whose fan base is unlikely to travel over an AQ team with a huge fan base, even if the non-AQ team is clearly better?

Use ranking system that BCS currently uses, teams 1-8 go to a playoff. Other stupid bowl games remain for everyone else.

Oh, and the #9 team will have no reason to complain, because if they're #9 they dropped one. Win and you're in, don't leave it up to the voters. If your 1 loss came to a highly ranked opponent you'll be in the top 8.


This isn't hard people.

imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's a playoff right now. The problem is that only two teams (and not necessarily even the best two teams) make the playoff game.


Playoff.

Am I the only one who could totally read between the lines there?

What they're basically advocating for is a "new model" where #1 & #2 go to the MNC game, the Rose keeps its traditional matchup, and all of the other bowls get SEC teams.

It sounds like a great idea if you're a fan of an SEC team or a non-SEC Big Name Traditional program like Texas or Oklahoma.

MuonNeutrino: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

As long as the Rose Bowl continues to be B1G/Pac-12, whatever.

So...they want the old system accept with an extra BCS NC game that will take the top 2 in the polls, but other than that they bowls can do whatever the hell they want?

Ergo

There are (currently) eleven conferences, so that's 11 conference winners.

11 is a shiatty number for a playoff, so take the 11 conference winners, the top 5 at-larges (per their BCS numbers) and you have 16 teams. Seed by BCS rank, single elimination tournament. Have the Elite 8 round and beyond be considered BCS bowls. Simple.

Currently the following teams have the best record in their conference (BCS rank used as tiebreaker)

ACC: Clemson (BCS Rank 7)
Big East: Cincinatti (BCS Rank 29)
Big 12: Oklahoma State (BCS Rank 2)
Big Ten: Michigan State (BCS Rank 15)
C-USA: Houston (BCS Rank 11)
MAC: Northern Illinois (BCS Rank 39)
MWC: Boise State (BCS Rank 10)
PAC-12: Oregon (BCS Rank 4)
SEC: LSU (BCS Rank 1)
Sun Belt: Arkansas State (BCS Rank 36)
WAC: Nevada (BCS Rank 49)

With the following at-larges:

Alabama (BCS Rank 3)
Oklahoma (BCS Rank 5)
Arkansas (BCS Rank 6)
Virginia Tech (BCS Rank 8)
Stanford (BCS Rank 9)

Obviously, once each team has played the same number of games and conference games, conference championships etc. this shakes out a little clearer, but for now, if we seed according to BCS rank, the first round would look like

1. LSU vs. 16. Nevada
2. Oklahoma State vs. 15 Northern Illinois
3. Alabama vs. 14 Arkansas State
4. Oregon vs. 13 Cincinnati
5. Oklahoma vs. 12. Michigan State
6. Arkansas vs. 11. Houston
7. Clemson vs 10. Boise State
8. Virginia Tech vs. 9 Stanford

Figure out a way to align the Bowls with the brackets (have the Rose Bowl linked with the half of the draw that has the highest seeding PAC 12 team one year, highest seeded Big 10 team the next etc.)

Teams think they should have got in but didn't? Tough shiat, should have won your conference.

Unfair to independents? Nope, they just have to have a high enough BCS rank to get seeded. Notre Dame will just have to settle for losing a lower impact bowl game instead

Non play-off bowls worried about being irrelevant? Who cares, it's not like any one other than the teams involved cares who wins the Beef O' Brady's Bowl as it is.

The Homer Tax: It sounds like a great idea if you're a fan of an SEC team or a non-SEC Big Name Traditional program like Texas or Oklahoma.

Also sounding good: "Our team is gonna win it all" until they don't and they start making excuses about seeding or strength of schedule. I don't think a "playoff" system solves any problems while creating new ones (is anyone going to watch the first round of games where a 5-6 team gets steam-rolled by LSU?)

You know what would be awesome? A system where colleges join together with other schools in the same geographic region. They'd play each other and at the end of the season the best team would get to host some good outsider team in a big game/party/festival. All the these celebration games would happen on the same day, say on a national holiday. Wouldn't it be cool to spend the whole day gorging on all these great matchups? Then, at the end of the day it's all over. Poof. That would be so cool.

/all of you can get off of my (natural grass) lawn

GoodyearPimp: The Homer Tax: It sounds like a great idea if you're a fan of an SEC team or a non-SEC Big Name Traditional program like Texas or Oklahoma.

Also sounding good: "Our team is gonna win it all" until they don't and they start making excuses about seeding or strength of schedule. I don't think a "playoff" system solves any problems while creating new ones (is anyone going to watch the first round of games where a 5-6 team gets steam-rolled by LSU?)

Yeah, it's not like a team from less impressive conference (Let's say App State) would have a chance against a traditional power from a big conference (Let's say Michigan) ever, right?

Crap, just realized my last post App State's not a FBS school. Replace App State with Boise State and Michigan with Georgia and it still kind of works.

LucklessWonder: There are (currently) eleven conferences, so that's 11 conference winners....

Mother farking THIS!!

Also...

imapirate: It's worthless if it's not a playoff. Ergo, it is worthless.

LucklessWonder: GoodyearPimp: The Homer Tax: It sounds like a great idea if you're a fan of an SEC team or a non-SEC Big Name Traditional program like Texas or Oklahoma.

Also sounding good: "Our team is gonna win it all" until they don't and they start making excuses about seeding or strength of schedule. I don't think a "playoff" system solves any problems while creating new ones (is anyone going to watch the first round of games where a 5-6 team gets steam-rolled by LSU?)

Yeah, it's not like a team from less impressive conference (Let's say App State) would have a chance against a traditional power from a big conference (Let's say Michigan) ever, right?

No one wants to watch a smaller school on a regular basis. Yes its funny when the big boy dick trips again them, but throw App State into the Big Ten or Boise into the SEC they'd be a bottom dweller. Boise's second in their conference and lost to an unranked TCU. Every FCS team that came up to FBS ended up like Western Kentucky. USF is likely the best recently formed program and they're above average at best.

We're at 122 or so D-I teams and as it stands LSU vs whoever number 25 is would be a beatdown 9 times out of 10. There is nothing wrong with playing the law of averages and jettisoning the bottom half of FBS/D-I. They can go run around and play with each other.