The day turkeys serve more of a purpose than just food,I will consider it.

StanTheMan: residentgeek: //meat gives me plumbing trouble

Damn, I thought we weeded out that gene like 80,000 years ago in Africa. How'd you slip through?

I knew a girl who just had a big problem digesting animal flesh. Which sucked for her because she really jones'd for it.

Came for a picture of the vegetarian lion from Futurama, leaving unsatisfied...

DominaNY: Since when did vegetarianism, veganism, raw food, etc. become such religious or spiritual food fetishism or even important in the grand scheme of things? Since the internet became a way for so-called experts to declaim endlessly about what is "healthy" or "better". It's all food faddism.

Want to control people? Tell them what you consider "correct" food, or what's better for them, or what is taboo.

I'm so old school that my mother considered it impolite to talk endlessly at the table about what you like or dislike on your plate. You're supposed to talk about stuff that's of general interest and makes people feel like companions (latin for eating bread together).

Want to make Thanksgiving a battlefield? Pay attention to food fetishists.

I think it goes both ways. Meat eaters put down vegans and vegans adopt a holier than thou attitude. I think its reflective of culture today. Screaming opinionated pricks are popular.

LadyMech: While the gluten free craze will eventually go away, I have to say it's nice for the people who really have celiac disease. And for the guys who've been shot/blown up over in Bumfarkistan. I've got a soldier friend who lost several feet of his intestine and has to follow what's basically a gluten free diet.

\He's still happy-meat and potatos are gluten free.

I second this. My 9 year old daughter has full-blown, honest-to-goodness "eating gluten destroys the lining of her small intestine" celiac disease, and this whole gluten free craze has been GREAT for us. It is so easy to keep her fed and happy with the increased availability of everything and all the cool and interesting things people are doing that can be found on the internet.

We found a book for her that has a bunch of different recipes that let us make VERY tasty gluten free bread/cakes in single servings in 90 seconds in the microwave.

Draskuul: I can't think of a single item on my family's standard Thanksgiving spread that would qualify vegan. Everything has meat, egg or dairy in one form or fashion. The dressing has tons of eggs, giblets and broth in it--the cornbread made with buttermilk, butter and eggs. Even a jello desert has whipped cream on it. The casseroles all have dairy and/or egg products.

The platter of olives and pickles is probably the only thing a vegan would eat in my household, assuming it hadn't been 'contaminated' with Turkey-greased fingers.

My mom used to make the dressing with the giblets, and it was NASTY. First Thanksgiving I ever cooked on my own, I ditched the giblets, did an awesome apple and walnut stuffing and brined the turkey until it was the color of Halle Berry.

Damn. That was a great meal.

Fail in Human Form: jaymanchu: And just to annoy you, I'll say this: Enjoy your clogged arteries, diabetes, heart disease and cancer Mr. Carnivore! :)

Sadly, a lot of that is genetic. When I had my last blood screen for my liver they did a test for my cholesterol and I was at 202 (normal is 200 so just over the max). I've been a vegetarian for a loooonnggg time. Sometimes you can't beat the odds.

There have been a few studies that have "accidentally" proven that vegan/raw diet can reverse some of those genetic diseases.

/all of those diseases run in my family
//so far I'm the only male that has beat them all (knock on wood). I'm also the only vegan, not that that is the reason but...

Jack Black 62: ToldThereWouldBeCake: Jack Black 62: I don't trust people who do not eat meat so they would never be invited to my house.

You obviously must behave yourself offline. Otherwise, I couldn't imaging anyone would want to spend time around an obnoxious blow-hard like the way you portray yourself on Fark.

Speaking the truth makes me a "blow-hard"? Care to elaborate?

I've seen enough of your posts to come to this conclusion. Nothing wrong with posting your opinion, but you do it in the most abrasive way possible. (Maybe you aren't aware?)

RexTalionis: Margarine is emulsified with skim milk, if memory serves.

residentgeek: FYI: specific margarine brands use fish products. Yay! So, no, that's not all margarine is.

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

Nevertheless, neither of those things make her cousin any less of an ass.

FloydA: mod3072: darkhorse23: My daughter in law and her partner

I keep trying to parse this statement, but I keep failing. A daughter-in-law is the woman that your son (or daughter, I suppose) marries, correct? Maybe I'm misinterpreting your use of the word "partner"? How do you have a lesbian daughter-in-law whose partner is not your daughter? Alternatively, why does your son's wife have a partner that she brings to Thanksgiving with her? I'm just not getting this.

Maybe she's a lawyer, and it's a partner in her law firm.
highbrow45: Have we figured out the daughter-in-law / partner thing yet? This is killing me.

His wife's daughter from a previous marriage and her girlfriend?

FloydA: I'm not defending it, just explaining it. Personally, I find cultural rules of diet fascinating, from an anthropological perspective, and "vegan" is no more unusual than "kosher" or "halal," when you think about it. There are lots of edible things that people just don't eat, for what seem to be purely arbitrary cultural reasons.

Horse, dog, cat, rat, guinea pig, termites, crickets and various kinds of beetles are all edible, but I would bet that most of the people in this thread who criticizing vegans for not eating turkey would balk before popping a handful of roasted roaches in their mouth or chowing down on a rat sandwich.


This is a good point. The culture of food around the world is so diverse. I think it's funny that in America we are very much into pretending to be open to new foods, when in fact we are still sticking to a very westernized version of an ethnic dish. Sure, we love going out for 'authentic' Vietnamese or Japanese, but in reality many average eaters would balk at the thought of eating sticky fermented soybeans, live octopus or fish genitals. We still collectively stick within our comfort zone of certain parts of certain animals.

The_Sponge: Sybarite: God forbid people try to be inclusive of their friends and family who don't eat meat.

If some veggie head wants to make suggestions or demands regarding my Thanksgiving dinner, he or she can go somewhere else.

Inviting a vegan to Thanksgiving is like inviting a teetotaler to your St. Patrick's Day party.

A teetotaler at a St. Patrick's Day party is not likely to get up in arms about folks drinking. Hell, I don't drink alcohol, but I'm just fine at a party as long as the host has extra mixers. Hell, even if there's only tap water available, I can have something to drink. Bonus: you can always ask the teetotaler to be the designated driver.

A vegan at my table would likely starve. Obviously the turkey is not acceptable to them. Mashed potatoes? Butter and milk. Sweet potatoes? Butter and honey. Green bean casserole? Butter and chicken stock. The rolls? Butter and grated cheese on top. Okay, I guess I could thaw a container of sauce and make some pasta... oh, wait: the sauce is simmered with beef and pork neck bones. Spinach salad: hot bacon vinegarette. Pumpkin pie: eggs and milk.

jaymanchu: What other animal drinks milk after they are an infant? What other animal drinks milk on a regular basis that comes from another animal?


If you feel like you shouldn't do anything uniquely human, get off the internet. What other animal posts drama-queen screeds online?
What other animal wears clothes?
What other animal cooks their food?

kapaso: I have a friend who is like the anti-vegan, She is a somewhat older lady in a wheel chair. She prefers her read meat raw, not rare, but completely uncooked. I would love to see her and vegan eat at the same time.

I've seen that lady!

Katie98_KT: Mavent: I'd bet that something like 110% of you who are getting your panties in a bunch over the suggestion that you use margarine instead of butter already use margarine instead of butter, and have done so all your lives.

my vegan cousin refuses to eat margarine too. apparently there's some sort of vegan substitute.

Most margarine has some milk derivatives in it. Some don't - it helps to look for ones labeled Parve. The Jews are a big help to folks who have to check that sort of thing.

/My girlfriend is vegan
//And she doesn't care what you or I eat for Thanksgiving

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: FloydA: mod3072: darkhorse23: My daughter in law and her partner

I keep trying to parse this statement, but I keep failing. A daughter-in-law is the woman that your son (or daughter, I suppose) marries, correct? Maybe I'm misinterpreting your use of the word "partner"? How do you have a lesbian daughter-in-law whose partner is not your daughter? Alternatively, why does your son's wife have a partner that she brings to Thanksgiving with her? I'm just not getting this.

Maybe she's a lawyer, and it's a partner in her law firm.
highbrow45: Have we figured out the daughter-in-law / partner thing yet? This is killing me.

His wife's daughter from a previous marriage and her girlfriend?

They wrestle together in a lesbian mud-wrestling tournament every Thanksgiving?

Timmy the Tumor: what health issue requires you to go vegan?

I could understand "hey, your cholesterol is 476, how about not eating a pound of bacon with every meal, and only having red meat a couple times a week" but "absolutely nothing animal-related" seems either extreme, or something I'm unfamiliar with.

I'm not a registered dietician, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night

Heart disease, high cholesterol, diabetes, and cancer all run rampant in my family. Luckily I do not have any of those but I am high risk. I also had really bad acid reflux which has pretty much been eliminated since I became vegan.

factoryconnection:

The entitlement? Dictionary time, Guther.


yeah.. not really seeing the problem there, factorycoection.

I was pretty sure referring to 'feelings of entitlement' is accepted Fark vernacular.

I could be wrong, farker.

jaymanchu: Fail in Human Form: jaymanchu: And just to annoy you, I'll say this: Enjoy your clogged arteries, diabetes, heart disease and cancer Mr. Carnivore! :)

Sadly, a lot of that is genetic. When I had my last blood screen for my liver they did a test for my cholesterol and I was at 202 (normal is 200 so just over the max). I've been a vegetarian for a loooonnggg time. Sometimes you can't beat the odds.

There have been a few studies that have "accidentally" proven that vegan/raw diet can reverse some of those genetic diseases.

/all of those diseases run in my family
//so far I'm the only male that has beat them all (knock on wood). I'm also the only vegan, not that that is the reason but...

I'll be honest. I'm not giving up cheese, I don't farking care. You can farking stick me in the ground a decade or two earlier but I farking love cheese.

royone: jaymanchu: What other animal drinks milk after they are an infant? What other animal drinks milk on a regular basis that comes from another animal?


If you feel like you shouldn't do anything uniquely human, get off the internet. What other animal posts drama-queen screeds online?
What other animal wears clothes?
What other animal cooks their food?

The platypus?

Epicedion: jaymanchu: Did you not get the part that I'm a vegan because of health issues? I'm realistic that many products are bi-products of animals. And a lot of vegans pretend to not purchase anything made from animals. I'm not one of those.

I don't eat/drink petroleum so...,

No one is vegan because of health issues. i>



How could you possibly claim to know every vegan's reason for choosing to be vegan?

Yeah! Stick it to those vegetarians! I, for one, CANNOT STAND it when vegetarians get all preachy about what other people eat!

It's those judgemental and preachy vegetarians who are ruining this country...


sinschild: why would anyone have friends who don't eat meat? What could you possibly have in common with a herbivore?

darkhorse23: The ones I have met, and the ones I know, all have that attitude and I'm sick to death of it. "Oh, we just discovered a way to eat on the internets, so you are stupid if you don't do like us" is the word of the day. fark them. If we aren't supposed to eat animals, then they shouldn't be made out of meat.

basemetal: I have a tip for vegetarians, don't come to my house for thanksgiving dinner

brigid_fitch: Raw foodies are the WORST.

Marine1: /eat meat, you farking hippies

framitz: Let them eat dirt.

haywatchthis: tofurkey....what the fark is this shiat, if someone brought this crap in my house i would ask them to leave

nightbringerggz: Vegans and Peta-inspired vegetarians can go fark themselves

Sapper_Topo: Vegetarians are like Apple users... They cant shut the fark up about it! Have one over for Thanksgiving and you might as well ruin your whole afternoon.

dcigary: I didn't climb to the top of the f*ckin' food chain to eat carrots.

factoryconnection:

Were I to have a vegan over, I would give them a sleeping pill. Something for everyone!

SuddenlySamhain: My neice has a pet rabbit , Any veggtable people that come to dinner can go out to the garage and eat out of the rabbits bowl.....unless it decides to kick their pallid,watery asses in which case they can do without alltogether. Let them give thanx for their empty plates .......and empty heads.

/irony

On the table:
Squash
Corn
Cranberry sauce
Rolls
Green beans
Potatoes
Salad
Broccoli
Carrots
-------------------
I bring:
Black bean nachos
Eggplant parmasean
Cheese enchiladas
Vegetarian gravy
Pierogies

hitchking: Yeah! Stick it to those vegetarians! I, for one, CANNOT STAND it when vegetarians get all preachy about what other people eat!

/irony

Diet does not cause preachiness, culture does.

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: His wife's daughter from a previous marriage and her girlfriend?

That would be his step-daughter and her partner.

Praise Cheesus: Mashed potatoes? Butter and milk. Sweet potatoes? Butter and honey. Green bean casserole? Butter and chicken stock. The rolls? Butter and grated cheese on top.

Yo, dawg, I heard you like butter, so I put butter on your butter...

The Sofa King: royone: jaymanchu: What other animal drinks milk after they are an infant? What other animal drinks milk on a regular basis that comes from another animal?


If you feel like you shouldn't do anything uniquely human, get off the internet. What other animal posts drama-queen screeds online?
What other animal wears clothes?
What other animal cooks their food?

The platypus?

this is a vegan thread not evolution

sinschild: Sybarite: God forbid people try to be inclusive of their friends and family who don't eat meat.

why would anyone have friends who don't eat meat? What could you possibly have in common with a herbivore?

I could understand if you wanted to refer to them as "pets", but not friends or family.

That isn't even true. My bird eats plenty of sweet potato, fresh fruit and spinach, but even then he'll try to catch flies that find somehow get into the house.

Deucednuisance: RexTalionis: Margarine is emulsified with skim milk, if memory serves.

residentgeek: FYI: specific margarine brands use fish products. Yay! So, no, that's not all margarine is.

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

Nevertheless, neither of those things make her cousin any less of an ass.

Yeah, I'm unsurprised. Being an ass is one of those human traits that "being good" morphs into when combined with an overly large sense of self. But at least she has good reasons for avoiding margarine. :)

/love me some erf balance

Let em eat berries, twigs & nuts....that leaves more MEAT for me!

Epicedion: JacobDavidWatson: How could you possibly claim to know every vegan's reason for choosing to be vegan?

Because being vegan is defined by eliminating the use of animal products. Wearing leather shoes isn't vegan, but it doesn't matter a bit toward your dietary health. Using the label carries along a certain amount of baggage.

People don't identify themselves as ethical vegans or dietary vegans in common parlance. Someone who does not eat any animal products will call themselves "vegan", and they are not incorrect in doing so. On top of this, I am sure some people are dietary vegans because they believe it has a health benefit.

/does not claim to know if veganism is healthier or less healthy
// thinking about getting 3 McDoubles for dinner tonight

RexTalionis: Cotton Rinkenbolts: This is a good point. The culture of food around the world is so diverse. I think it's funny that in America we are very much into pretending to be open to new foods, when in fact we are still sticking to a very westernized version of an ethnic dish. Sure, we love going out for 'authentic' Vietnamese or Japanese, but in reality many average eaters would balk at the thought of eating sticky fermented soybeans, live octopus or fish genitals. We still collectively stick within our comfort zone of certain parts of certain animals.

I'd gladly eat that stuff. They just don't sell it here.

Same here. But you and I are outnumbered by those who would rather have riblets at Chili's.

Epicedion: Epicedion: JacobDavidWatson: How could you possibly claim to know every vegan's reason for choosing to be vegan?

Because being vegan is defined by eliminating the use of animal products. Wearing leather shoes isn't vegan, but it doesn't matter a bit toward your dietary health. Using the label carries along a certain amount of baggage.

That is to say, I can claim to know that every vegan chooses to be vegan because they're idiots. Otherwise, they can eat whatever diet the fark they want to.

10-4 Captain Douchebag.

p51d007: Let em eat berries, twigs & nuts....that leaves more MEAT for me!

I'm pretty sure prairie oysters aren't vegetarian. And that the steer would like you to just finish the job and eat steak.

darkhorse23: God forbid indeed. My daughter in law and her partner - 'strict raw vegans' tried to farking take over my entire meal last year when I 'tried to be incluse of my family who don't eat meat'. "Granted, you've been on this earth forty years longer than we have but we think you're ignorant and don't know how to eat and here, have some raw nuts and carrots instead of the roast duck you worked so hard on because we're better than you" was the entire theme.

I made them bring their own shiat. Seriously, I live in Asheville, with a higher concentration of vegans and gays/lesbians than anywhere else in the entire farking country. The ones I have met, and the ones I know, all have that attitude and I'm sick to death of it. "Oh, we just discovered a way to eat on the internets, so you are stupid if you don't do like us" is the word of the day. fark them. If we aren't supposed to eat animals, then they shouldn't be made out of meat. I am proud of my position on the food chain.


I live in Asheville too, and I've seen and heard enough of the "You aren't living right because you don't do, ", (fill in the blank..), from every group known to man/woman/animal/vegetable/mineral, and I'm pretty sick of the damn sermons...

I wouldn't make demands or disparaging remarks at a vegan's home, about their lifestyle or choice of food out of common courtesy. If I invite vegan friends over for our thanksgiving dinner, they can shut the hell up about the turkey and ham, for the same reason. There will be veggies and other things that they can eat. If I start to get the speech about the animals killed in the making of this meal, they will leave one way or the other.

Notice how long the thread is? This stuff is EXACTLY what anthropologists love. Culturally inculcated food/family activities that indicate preferences based on normative taboos.

We are what we eat, how we eat, who we eat with, when we eat, why we eat. I could go on and on. Choices made in the huge food category are an expression of self-identity.

When your lesbian, college-age niece (anybody else who you find difficult in the family) comes over to the house for Thanksgiving and announces her food preferences, she's looking to rebel against normative cultural preference, and yet, be accepted for doing just that.

In human societies, there are an endless number of ways to "do" food with the family. The way we do it in microniches of American culture are NOT the way most humans do it, at all. Stop thinking that the way you do food is normative or "real"

Notice how emotional people get about the topic. It's one of the MAJOR topics anthropologists investigate.

Uncle and his girlfriend are veg/vegan. can't remember which. We make veggie lasagna rolls for them for holidays, they taste awesome and no one pitches a biatch. I've talked to him about it and he said "I wish that everyone'd do this cause less killing animals but I understand you guys are gonna do what you're gonna do so it's whatever." And, they'll bring sides of their own on occasion so more food yay.

It's actually harder to cook for my grandmother - celiac's, lactose intolerant and diabetic. Most of the time she brings her own stuff, but on holidays she's bad to herself and has bread when she shouldn't. Makes it impossible to get a hold of her the next day when she's busy with her guts revolting.

Someone tried to get me to do vegetarian once. My response was that I couldn't survive on potatoes and broccoli alone, and that there was no way on god's green earth I would go without a filet mingion [sp] every so often. Or chicken. Or Friday Fish Fry [damn you milwaukee for converting me *shakes fist*]. Or bacon. College has made me protein deficient and it's no fun at all.

I have a better idea: Tell the veggie we are having turkey with all the trimmings, and if he doesn't like it he can stay home.

Fixed it.