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2011-11-18 03:13:15 PM

jaymanchu: Ah the intolerance of vegans


Well when you don't eat honey because of bee slavery, it's kind of easy to dump on you.
 
2011-11-18 03:13:32 PM
wait, honey isn't vegan either? seriously?
 
2011-11-18 03:13:48 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Until you have the newly-vegan-and-lesbian college student make a tearful prayer for the soul of the murdered turkey, you haven't really had an awkward Thanksgiving.


Thanksgiving Dinner's sad and thankless
Christmas Dinner's dark and blue
When you stop and try to see it
From the turkey's point of view.

Sunday Dinner isn't sunny
Easter Feasts are just bad luck
When you see it from the viewpoint
Of a chicken or a duck.

Oh how I once loved tuna salad
Pork and Lobsters-- lamb chops too
Till I stopped and looked at dinner
From the dinner's point of view.

S.S.
 
2011-11-18 03:13:59 PM

Sapper_Topo: Vegetarians are like Apple users... They cant shut the fark up about it! Have one over for Thanksgiving and you might as well ruin your whole afternoon. I am telling you right now as hard as you try to not have the conversation swerve to their diet. It will. and then boy howdy let the pompousness begin. Kind of like well an Apple user..


You sound fat.
 
2011-11-18 03:14:31 PM

Katie98_KT: my vegan cousin refuses to eat margarine too. apparently there's some sort of vegan substitute.


Margarine was trotted out as the healthy alternative to butter. Problem: unsaturated fats do not solidify at room temperature, leaving vegetable oil. Solution: partially hydrogenate that oil, yielding a room temperature solid suspension.

Result: trans fats and many, many deaths.

No more margarine for me. Lots of butter. Nobody fat in my house, everyone happy with our cooking. People salivate over my wife's baking, in fact.

Jack Black 62: Ants eat butter, but do not eat margarine. I will and always have used butter. It is more healthy for you.


I don't know about the ants thing, but margarine isn't food.

Were I to have a vegetarian at my house for thanksgiving, I'd be happy to accommodate with meatless dishes sufficient to fill them up. I deal with enough weird looks and whatnot for eating any vegetarian dishes in general.

Were I to have a vegan over, I would give them a sleeping pill. Something for everyone!
 
2011-11-18 03:15:02 PM
Stuffing, yams, cranberry sauce, etc.

Thanksgiving meals should have an assortment of vegetables, but if people think that hams and turkeys are going somewhere they must be sorely mistaken.

/Nothing wrong with compromise, so long as you're not compromised in the process.
 
2011-11-18 03:15:36 PM
THIS is tofurkey...

www.clairesway.com



OK, let's say the wife and I get invited to a party at a friend's house, and he's ONLY serving Indian Food. I'll eat a fu*king cheeseburger before I go, so I can politely try SOMETHING that looks edible, and pass on the rest. I don't respond with "I don't like that sh*t, make me something else" nor expect them to.

Being a vegan isn't like a severe food allergy. If someone could swell up and die if they eat tree nuts, I'll skip them in my muffins, but choosing not to eat something is completely different. It's not life-threatening, just different. Don't expect everyone else to bend to your choice.
 
2011-11-18 03:16:18 PM

Sapper_Topo: Vegetarians are like Apple users... They cant shut the fark up about it! Have one over for Thanksgiving and you might as well ruin your whole afternoon. I am telling you right now as hard as you try to not have the conversation swerve to their diet. It will. and then boy howdy let the pompousness begin. Kind of like well an Apple user..


Apparently, you have not met decent vegetarians. It's a very rare discussion for me. Other than Fark threads, the only time it comes up is when people ask me to explain my dietary restrictions.
 
2011-11-18 03:16:55 PM

jaymanchu: Ah the intolerance of vegans and the ignorance of some. Fark: "You don't eat meat? HOW DARE YOU!! Screw you and your self righteous hippie pompous ass, give me some Bacon and Steak and shove your tofu and leafy greens up your ass!" Sorry I don't share the same eating habits as you, I didn't know it was such a big deal and obviously offends you. Not all vegans or vegetarians are crazy Peta pricks, some of us choose a meatless diet due to health issues.


I keep my diet largely vegetarian (maybe like 70% of the time, I eat fairly close to what you'd say a raw food vegan would eat) due to health issues. However, I've met plenty of vegans who are so uptight and pretentious about their veganism that they'd do crap like refuse to eat anything made in a pan that was used to cook meat at some point or some other outrageously stupid complaint. It's not endearing to anybody.
 
2011-11-18 03:16:59 PM
My neice has a pet rabbit , Any veggtable people that come to dinner can go out to the garage and eat out of the rabbits bowl.....unless it decides to kick their pallid,watery asses in which case they can do without alltogether. Let them give thanx for their empty plates .......and empty heads.
 
2011-11-18 03:17:13 PM

Katie98_KT: wait, honey isn't vegan either? seriously?


Some vegans don't eat any products of animals, and to them honey is an excretion of bees in the same way that butter is an excretion of cows. It may seem odd, but it's at least logically consistent.
 
2011-11-18 03:17:37 PM

Smeggy Smurf: TheDumbBlonde: "...considering using butter substitute this year...".

How about no?

How about yes. Save your bacon grease and use that instead.



Now we are talking. We save the bacon grease and use it to fry french fries. Heaven on a plate!
 
2011-11-18 03:17:39 PM

factoryconnection: Katie98_KT: my vegan cousin refuses to eat margarine too. apparently there's some sort of vegan substitute.

Margarine was trotted out as the healthy alternative to butter. Problem: unsaturated fats do not solidify at room temperature, leaving vegetable oil. Solution: partially hydrogenate that oil, yielding a room temperature solid suspension.

Result: trans fats and many, many deaths.

No more margarine for me. Lots of butter. Nobody fat in my house, everyone happy with our cooking. People salivate over my wife's baking, in fact.

Jack Black 62: Ants eat butter, but do not eat margarine. I will and always have used butter. It is more healthy for you.

I don't know about the ants thing, but margarine isn't food.

Were I to have a vegetarian at my house for thanksgiving, I'd be happy to accommodate with meatless dishes sufficient to fill them up. I deal with enough weird looks and whatnot for eating any vegetarian dishes in general.

Were I to have a vegan over, I would give them a sleeping pill. Something for everyone!


I agree, but I wish you'd convince my father. His family has a history of heart disease, so he was told in the 80s to never eat butter, and he refuses to read any new science about it.
 
2011-11-18 03:17:47 PM

Sybarite: God forbid people try to be inclusive of their friends and family who don't eat meat.


I can assume then that a vegetarian/vegan would be similarly inclusive if a normal person were to dine a their home. Could I at least expect bacon withe green beans and real butter with the rolls?

This is so much BS. When yo are guest at somebody's hose and they offer to feed you you don't get a piciky about what is offered.
 
2011-11-18 03:19:16 PM

FloydA: Katie98_KT: wait, honey isn't vegan either? seriously?
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Some vegans don't eat any products of animals, and to them honey is an excretion of bees in the same way that butter is an excretion of cows. It may seem odd, but it's at least logically consistent.


Which is odd, because bees don't excrete honey. It's a byproduct of their chewing, similar to cud.
 
2011-11-18 03:19:32 PM

Fail in Human Form: apoptotic: RexTalionis: These tips aren't for vegetarians. These tips are for vegans. I don't think many vegetarians really care about marshmellows or butter usage.

That's what I was thinking too. I actually did have a vegetarian friend come over for Thanksgiving one year, and the only thing I did differently than usual was to not cook the stuffing inside the turkey, so that she could eat the stuffing. She was thrilled that I remembered and cheerfully ate some of everything but the turkey.

Do you make your own stuffing? We always do and I just make a batch with vegetable broth instead of chicken broth and everybody eats both without complaint. They all like it and it really doesn't taste different from the other dressing, it only tastes different from the stuffing cooked in the bird.


Stuffing cooked in the bird is better, but I always make too much stuffing, so there's always a casserole dish of not-cooked-in-the-bird stuffing.

CSB: First year my GF and I had her family over for Thanksgiving, I made the stuffing recipe from The Silver Palate Cookbook, substituting that LightLife Gimme Lean fake sausage for the pound of pork sausage that the recipe called for. GF's dad and brother loved it UNTIL she told them that the sausage was "fake".
 
2011-11-18 03:19:59 PM
Author is a twatwaffle.

They have written the article like all we eat is meat on top of meat in a meat wrapper with meat sauce.

Take out the turkey and and ham at my turkey day dinner and you have only removed 2 of 15 plates.
 
2011-11-18 03:20:04 PM
Turkey isn't meat!!

Is it beef? Is it pork?? No? Then it's NOT MEAT!!
 
2011-11-18 03:20:07 PM

Timmy the Tumor: THIS is tofurkey...



GAH! Here's some eye bleach:

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And a cartoon:

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2011-11-18 03:20:11 PM
Tofu Turkey

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2011-11-18 03:20:44 PM

FloydA: Some vegans don't eat any products of animals, and to them honey is an excretion of bees in the same way that butter is an excretion of cows. It may seem odd, but it's at least logically consistent.


The "no animal products" bit is what distinguishes a vegan from a vegetarian. it's consistent, but stupid, as it applies whether or not the animal products can be harvested without actual harm to the animal. Hence "bee slavery."
 
2011-11-18 03:20:54 PM
How to welcome a vegetarian to your Thanksgiving table

"Hi, welcome, happy thanksgiving. I think there might still be a couple tempeh burgers in the freezer from that BBQ this summer, there's the microwave."
 
2011-11-18 03:21:52 PM

RexTalionis: These tips aren't for vegetarians.


Nope. They're for vegetarian's.


Anyway, when people ask me "hey Gunther, why do you hate the holidays?"
I just have to point them to threads like this. The entitlement, the whining,
the tough guy 'you're eating MEAT in MY house' horseshiat.. God I hate people.
 
2011-11-18 03:23:06 PM

FloydA: Katie98_KT: wait, honey isn't vegan either? seriously?

Some vegans don't eat any products of animals, and to them honey is an excretion of bees in the same way that butter is an excretion of cows. It may seem odd, but it's at least logically consistent.


And that bees are killed when honey is collected. There's always one or two that get trapped or crushed, etc. I like bees, but I have to wonder how the vegans would fertilize our crops if we didn't have large scale bee operations.

Now I want some honey roasted peanuts.
 
2011-11-18 03:23:56 PM

Epicedion: jaymanchu: Ah the intolerance of vegans

Well when you don't eat honey because of bee slavery, it's kind of easy to dump on you.


I don't eat honey because it's farking bee vomit and almost pure sugar and the majority of it isn't really honey. But I won't stand on a podium and declare how righteous I am because of it.

Yes, some vegans/vegetarians are asses about their eating habits, but some meat eaters are just as bad.

And just to annoy you, I'll say this: Enjoy your clogged arteries, diabetes, heart disease and cancer Mr. Carnivore! :)
 
2011-11-18 03:23:58 PM

RexTalionis: I substituted my butter with foie gras butter.


So much WIN here. I laughed, hard.

/just thought you should know
 
2011-11-18 03:24:12 PM

Nezorf: Sapper_Topo: Vegetarians are like Apple users... They cant shut the fark up about it! Have one over for Thanksgiving and you might as well ruin your whole afternoon. I am telling you right now as hard as you try to not have the conversation swerve to their diet. It will. and then boy howdy let the pompousness begin. Kind of like well an Apple user..

Apparently, you have not met decent vegetarians. It's a very rare discussion for me. Other than Fark threads, the only time it comes up is when people ask me to explain my dietary restrictions.


I think most of these people have "vegetarians" confused with "newly-converted vegans". The topic very rarely comes up with me unless there's a need to discuss it.
 
2011-11-18 03:24:49 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Until you have the newly-vegan-and-lesbian college student make a tearful prayer for the soul of the murdered turkey, you haven't really had an awkward Thanksgiving.


Damn vagitarians.
 
2011-11-18 03:25:44 PM

ToldThereWouldBeCake: Smeggy Smurf: TheDumbBlonde: "...considering using butter substitute this year...".

How about no?

How about yes. Save your bacon grease and use that instead.


Now we are talking. We save the bacon grease and use it to fry french fries. Heaven on a plate!


If you really want good fries, cook them in duck fat. It turns them into something magical.
 
2011-11-18 03:25:58 PM

jaymanchu: And just to annoy you, I'll say this: Enjoy your clogged arteries, diabetes, heart disease and cancer Mr. Carnivore! :)


Sadly, a lot of that is genetic. When I had my last blood screen for my liver they did a test for my cholesterol and I was at 202 (normal is 200 so just over the max). I've been a vegetarian for a loooonnggg time. Sometimes you can't beat the odds.
 
2011-11-18 03:26:08 PM
I can't think of a single item on my family's standard Thanksgiving spread that would qualify vegan. Everything has meat, egg or dairy in one form or fashion. The dressing has tons of eggs, giblets and broth in it--the cornbread made with buttermilk, butter and eggs. Even a jello desert has whipped cream on it. The casseroles all have dairy and/or egg products.

The platter of olives and pickles is probably the only thing a vegan would eat in my household, assuming it hadn't been 'contaminated' with Turkey-greased fingers.
 
2011-11-18 03:26:11 PM

Fail in Human Form: FloydA: Katie98_KT: wait, honey isn't vegan either? seriously?
.
Some vegans don't eat any products of animals, and to them honey is an excretion of bees in the same way that butter is an excretion of cows. It may seem odd, but it's at least logically consistent.

Which is odd, because bees don't excrete honey. It's a byproduct of their chewing, similar to cud.


Don't pussy-foot around. Honey is bee puke.
 
2011-11-18 03:26:46 PM

Jack Black 62: I don't trust people who do not eat meat so they would never be invited to my house.


You obviously must behave yourself offline. Otherwise, I couldn't imaging anyone would want to spend time around an obnoxious blow-hard like the way you portray yourself on Fark.
 
2011-11-18 03:27:07 PM
I've known my fair share of annoying people on annoying diets. I do have to say, though, that for every annoying preachy vegan, there's another person at the table who goes on the offensive about not eating meat and gets just as upset about it.

Last year I did the vegan thing from November 1st until the day before Thanksgiving. I did it to see if it would make me lose the extra few pounds and to see if it gave me more energy like I had read. It didn't and it just wasn't for me and I purposely chose Thanksgiving as my quitting day. So even though I was sitting at the table stuffing my face with turkey and ham, the mere fact that I had tried it set off some people.

I was told that it was a ridiculous and unhealthy thing to try and that if you're eating vegan you're just being difficult and picky. Ironically, the person who said it was the person who won't eat the green bean casserole because they don't like mushrooms or mushroom soup, won't eat the cheesy potatoes because they don't like onions, and won't eat the salad because it has green peppers and artichoke hearts. Essentially his plate had the same food items that you would feed to a toddler on Thanksgiving; mashed potatoes, white meat turkey and mac & cheese.

I just kept thinking, "I'm the picky one?"
 
2011-11-18 03:27:22 PM

jaymanchu: I don't eat honey because it's farking bee vomit and almost pure sugar and the majority of it isn't really honey. But I won't stand on a podium and declare how righteous I am because of it.

Yes, some vegans/vegetarians are asses about their eating habits, but some meat eaters are just as bad.

And just to annoy you, I'll say this: Enjoy your clogged arteries, diabetes, heart disease and cancer Mr. Carnivore! :)


Petroleum is at least partially an animal product. Have fun rationalizing its use.
 
2011-11-18 03:27:46 PM

Draskuul: I can't think of a single item on my family's standard Thanksgiving spread that would qualify vegan. Everything has meat, egg or dairy in one form or fashion. The dressing has tons of eggs, giblets and broth in it--the cornbread made with buttermilk, butter and eggs. Even a jello desert has whipped cream on it. The casseroles all have dairy and/or egg products.

The platter of olives and pickles is probably the only thing a vegan would eat in my household, assuming it hadn't been 'contaminated' with Turkey-greased fingers.


Jello is made from boiled cow hooves.
 
2011-11-18 03:28:02 PM

RexTalionis: These tips aren't for vegetarians. These tips are for vegans. I don't think many vegetarians really care about marshmellows or butter usage.


I don't know about people who call themselves vegetarian and eat animals anyway, but vegetarians certainly don't eat powdered bone slime and things that it is in.

/no skittles either
 
2011-11-18 03:28:11 PM

dothemath: sweetmelissa31: I do eat gelatin, although it is a little gross to think about.

Isnt that made from ground up horses or something??


Ground up connective tissue (collagen).
 
2011-11-18 03:28:45 PM

bravian: Nezorf: Sapper_Topo: Vegetarians are like Apple users... They cant shut the fark up about it! Have one over for Thanksgiving and you might as well ruin your whole afternoon. I am telling you right now as hard as you try to not have the conversation swerve to their diet. It will. and then boy howdy let the pompousness begin. Kind of like well an Apple user..

Apparently, you have not met decent vegetarians. It's a very rare discussion for me. Other than Fark threads, the only time it comes up is when people ask me to explain my dietary restrictions.

Decent vegetarian?! DECENT VEGETARIAN!!!!? Thats like saying "Really cool Australian guy Adolf Hitler." Every single one I have ever met (in person) ineveitably makes it a point to call out their higher moral standing because they dont eat meat. Not like they had to tell me the pale skin, frail bone structure, and dull hair is a dead give away. And dont even get me started on how I can pick out an Apple user...

Sapper_Topo: Vegetarians are like Apple users... They cant shut the fark up about it! Have one over for Thanksgiving and you might as well ruin your whole afternoon. I am telling you right now as hard as you try to not have the conversation swerve to their diet. It will. and then boy howdy let the pompousness begin. Kind of like well an Apple user..

You sound fat.


Iam :(
 
2011-11-18 03:29:03 PM
4. Be open to changing some of your recipes. If you use two sticks of butter in your mashed potatoes, maybe you could use a butter substitute this year?

No.

I use butter in my thangsgiving mashed potatoes because I LIKE it. If you're going to chose to restrict your diet, you live with your choices. I'm not joining you in that.
 
2011-11-18 03:29:17 PM

Knara: Indeed. At least in the US, the "gluten-free" craze has pretty much nothing to do with folks with bona fide Celiacs and everything to do with idiots that think that gluten is bad for you.


I've known two Celiac sufferers in my life. I've known many that have vocally avoided eating gluten. A little information can be more dangerous than plain ignorance.

compesconsisus: Some jackass who hears that someone is a vegetarian and promptly goes over and starts waving a raw steak in their face while making nomnom noises deserves a beating.


I agree with this, though I may have, in the past, actually sucked on rib bones in front of a vegetarian friend. What? We were at Damon's... why would she even enter?
 
2011-11-18 03:30:06 PM

jaymanchu: And just to annoy you, I'll say this: Enjoy your clogged arteries, diabetes, heart disease and cancer Mr. Carnivore! :)


None of which are caused by eating meat.
 
2011-11-18 03:30:11 PM
I believe the bigger question is: do vegans celebrate "Steak and BJ Day"?
 
2011-11-18 03:30:32 PM
~ Happy, happy turkey day ~


~ Hunger pains will go away ~


~ When you hear
the pilgrims say ~


~ It's happy turkey day ~


~ Happy, happy turkey day ~


~ Let's all eat
the Indian way ~


~ As Bastille
and Cape Cod day ~


~ On happy turkey day ~~

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2011-11-18 03:30:35 PM

ToldThereWouldBeCake: Jack Black 62: I don't trust people who do not eat meat so they would never be invited to my house.

You obviously must behave yourself offline. Otherwise, I couldn't imaging anyone would want to spend time around an obnoxious blow-hard like the way you portray yourself on Fark.


Speaking the truth makes me a "blow-hard"? Care to elaborate?
 
2011-11-18 03:30:50 PM
I can't believe I'm posting in this thread but I just want to say this.

The "vegetarians" who are the whiniest and loudest about being accommodated and critical of meat eaters are ALWAYS the ones who go back to eating meat within 2 years. They're doing it for the attention.

Also, after 20 years of being vegetarian I am farking OVER people instigating arguments with me about it. You eat what you wanna eat, I'll eat what I wanna eat. Who cares?
 
2011-11-18 03:30:54 PM
"Hosting a vegetarian?" Seriously?

What a douche.

I am hosting a Thanksgiving party this year. It's expensive and lots of work - but I am glad to do it because I like the people I invited. They're excellent house guests and good friends. If they don't like the turkey, ham or chicken and dressing, they can help themselves to the sides, deserts and booze.

It sounds like the author would better serve the vegetarian community by writing about how to be a guest in someones home without being obnoxious. Who knows, they might get invited more often if they were fun!
 
2011-11-18 03:30:54 PM
No one has posted this yet? Come on Fark you're slipping

pre.cloudfront.goodinc.com
 
2011-11-18 03:31:56 PM

Timmy the Tumor: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Until you have the newly-vegan-and-lesbian college student make a tearful prayer for the soul of the murdered turkey, you haven't really had an awkward Thanksgiving.


My brother in law is a hard-core treehugger. A couple years ago at family Thanksgiving, he was eating his tofurkey (really), and lecturing everyone about how bad it is to eat animals, and how he'd "seen the light" and we all should embrace his new way of living. I put up with it for about ten minutes, watching him eat dessert, and then told him exactly how the jello he just had a second helping of is made.

He spent half an hour in the bathroom making himself throw up, and I haven't been asked to attend the family Thanksgiving dinner since.


Favorited in a happy, lime Jello green.
 
2011-11-18 03:32:42 PM
mod3072...

I was thinking the same thing. The only thing I could come up with is that she has taken all of her sons or daugthers family in and made them in laws. For example, her son marries a girl with two sisters. The two sisters are now her daughters in law? That was what I was thinking. i am probably wrong though. Im glad someone else caught that.
 
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