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2011-11-18 11:01:19 AM
Michele Bachmann suggests waterboarding next time.
 
2011-11-18 11:04:52 AM
Who better to represent the interests of the 1% than Slaanesh?
 
2011-11-18 11:07:39 AM
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2011-11-18 11:07:59 AM
people are just going to make or buy their own sound cannons, that is why upping the douche anti is not always a good idea.
 
2011-11-18 11:09:07 AM
www.multifamilyinvestor.com

In other news, Francisco Franco is still dead.

IN OTHER NEWS, FRANCISCO FRANCO IS STILL DEAD!!!
 
2011-11-18 11:09:58 AM
Gotta love the spin to make this look like a sinister issue.
 
2011-11-18 11:10:25 AM
LarryDan43: Michele Bachmann suggests waterboarding next time.

Fire hoses are about the same as my garden hose. bean bag guns are about the same as nerf since they don't use bullets. Non-lethal is non lethal right?
 
2011-11-18 11:10:30 AM
Headso: people are just going to make or buy their own sound cannons, that is why upping the douche anti is not always a good idea.

No one cares about your emo band.

// douche auntie
 
2011-11-18 11:11:20 AM
But it's all just about enforcing the "no camping in the park" curfew. Really.
 
2011-11-18 11:11:24 AM
If it is just a communication device can you point one at the cops to communicate back with them? I'll bet it does NOT work that way.
 
2011-11-18 11:11:27 AM
They should be glad Doomspeakers weren't deployed.
 
2011-11-18 11:11:50 AM
Most of the Tea Party drones were deaf already so no need to waste it on them.
 
2011-11-18 11:12:02 AM
Back in the day, when we protested something, we were shot with real bullets.

You guys don't know how good you have it.
 
2011-11-18 11:13:18 AM
Virulency: LarryDan43: Michele Bachmann suggests waterboarding next time.

Fire hoses are about the same as my garden hose. bean bag guns are about the same as nerf since they don't use bullets. Non-lethal is non lethal right?


I have a bean bag in my living room and it hasn't killed anyone yet. The beanbag in my pants, on the other hand...

/remember kids, wash daily
 
2011-11-18 11:14:40 AM
They didn't work, though, because the cops were too cheap to go with the monster cables.
 
2011-11-18 11:15:15 AM

Since there will be people in this thread who approve of not just the sound cannon being used against the OWS protesters but also chemical weapons and "less lethal" beanbag shotguns, I'd like to ask those people:

Would you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Tea Party Patriots?
If not, then why do you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Occupiers?


Do you approve of police using these weapons and showing up in riot gear to arrest people for violating anti-loitering laws? Littering laws? Jaywalking laws?
Why or why not?


And to those of you who approve of these atrocities by the police against the occupiers for their civil disobedience because although OWS is non-violent, they're still breaking the law:

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE:
NON-VIOLENTLY DISOBEYING UNJUST LAWS
 
2011-11-18 11:15:37 AM
FarknGroovn: If it is just a communication device can you point one at the cops to communicate back with them? I'll bet it does NOT work that way.

Of course not, then you'd be violating a city noise ordinance and would be hauled off in handcuffs for resisting arrest.
 
2011-11-18 11:17:36 AM
GameSprocket: They didn't work, though, because the cops were too cheap to go with the monster cables.

That's funny, but these were likely bought with Homeland Security money so they probably went for the gold tipped monster cables.
 
2011-11-18 11:17:39 AM
King Something: Since there will be people in this thread who approve of not just the sound cannon being used against the OWS protesters but also chemical weapons and "less lethal" beanbag shotguns, I'd like to ask those people:

Would you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Tea Party Patriots?
If not, then why do you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Occupiers?


If Tea Party Patriots were rioting and attacking local businesses, I would whole-heartedly endorse a police response.
 
2011-11-18 11:17:44 AM
We are consensually allowing the police a monopoly on force. If these protests are going somewhere, they have to organize and fight back. Blood must be spilled.

\ Conservative.
\\ Sympathetic to some of the Occupy's gripes.
\\\ Fascinated.
 
Zel
2011-11-18 11:18:15 AM
If we're not allowed to buy one and point it back at the cops... it's a weapon that shouldn't be used on nonviolent citizens.
 
2011-11-18 11:18:31 AM
So permanently damaging someone's hearing isn't a crime? Good to know.
 
2011-11-18 11:19:09 AM
I said that badly. It needs a Kent State moment.
 
2011-11-18 11:19:13 AM
King Something: Since there will be people in this thread who approve of not just the sound cannon being used against the OWS protesters but also chemical weapons and "less lethal" beanbag shotguns, I'd like to ask those people:

Would you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Tea Party Patriots?
If not, then why do you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Occupiers?


Do you approve of police using these weapons and showing up in riot gear to arrest people for violating anti-loitering laws? Littering laws? Jaywalking laws?
Why or why not?


And to those of you who approve of these atrocities by the police against the occupiers for their civil disobedience because although OWS is non-violent, they're still breaking the law:
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE:
NON-VIOLENTLY DISOBEYING UNJUST LAWS


What unjust laws are they protesting?

I thought they were protesting that some people make more money then others.
 
2011-11-18 11:19:18 AM
Fart_Machine: [images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x225]

Damn, I was just a minute and a half too late!
 
2011-11-18 11:21:05 AM
lewismarktwo: So permanently damaging someone's hearing isn't a crime? Good to know.

If you are the 1%, or are in their service, nothing you do is illegal. They could gang rape a protestor and all would be fine and dandy.
 
2011-11-18 11:21:41 AM
Deploy the Brown Note!
 
2011-11-18 11:22:20 AM
BuckTurgidson: But it's all just about enforcing the "no camping in the park" curfew. Really.

The tea party made a lot noise, but they went home and organized afterwards. If they had just built shanty towns, 2010 wouldn't have gotten a bunch of fascists elected.

I'm really concerned all this OWS shiat isn't going to amount to anything politically.
 
2011-11-18 11:23:32 AM
I THOUGHT YOU SAID COWS.
MOO.
 
2011-11-18 11:25:00 AM
King Something: Would you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Tea Party Patriots?
If not, then why do you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Occupiers?


Would you approve of me punching a guy walking down the street?

Well then why wouldn't you oppose me punching a guy trying to take my wallet?

I swear, it's almost like people are okay with treating a vandal different than a non-vandal. What kind of crazy mixed up world are we living in?

King Something: THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE:
NON-VIOLENTLY DISOBEYING UNJUST LAWS


Yea, preach it brother. The police chased down and tackled the guy who was non-violently breaking into my house. Talk about an injustice.
 
2011-11-18 11:25:20 AM
lewismarktwo: So permanently damaging someone's hearing isn't a crime? Good to know.

It's okay! It's 3 decibels short of the level required to "immediately damage" human hearing. That means it's perfectly safe!
 
2011-11-18 11:25:26 AM
Giltric: I thought they were protesting that some people make more money then others.

What an original troll.
 
2011-11-18 11:26:03 AM
Giltric: King Something: Since there will be people in this thread who approve of not just the sound cannon being used against the OWS protesters but also chemical weapons and "less lethal" beanbag shotguns, I'd like to ask those people:

Would you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Tea Party Patriots?
If not, then why do you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Occupiers?


Do you approve of police using these weapons and showing up in riot gear to arrest people for violating anti-loitering laws? Littering laws? Jaywalking laws?
Why or why not?


And to those of you who approve of these atrocities by the police against the occupiers for their civil disobedience because although OWS is non-violent, they're still breaking the law:
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE:
NON-VIOLENTLY DISOBEYING UNJUST LAWS

What unjust laws are they protesting?

I thought they were protesting that some people make more money then others.


I would say they're protesting among other things, unjust laws (or lack thereof) that allow banks to robosign loan documents and then forclose on home owners, or laws that allow investors to play fast and loose with people's money with no recompense for destroying the livelihood of the 99%, or laws that allow the people with the most money to bribe congress into passing laws that only benefit the wealthy or giant corporations (see NAFTA), or an educational system that forces students to take on a large amount of debt just to get through college (I know you worked 4 jobs and don't owe anything but it doesn't work that way for everyone), or laws that allow the medical industry to increase the cost of potentially life saving treatment by 10% every year without justification. Is that enough examples for you?
 
2011-11-18 11:27:07 AM
Giltric: King Something: Since there will be people in this thread who approve of not just the sound cannon being used against the OWS protesters but also chemical weapons and "less lethal" beanbag shotguns, I'd like to ask those people:

Would you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Tea Party Patriots?
If not, then why do you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Occupiers?


Do you approve of police using these weapons and showing up in riot gear to arrest people for violating anti-loitering laws? Littering laws? Jaywalking laws?
Why or why not?


And to those of you who approve of these atrocities by the police against the occupiers for their civil disobedience because although OWS is non-violent, they're still breaking the law:
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE:
NON-VIOLENTLY DISOBEYING UNJUST LAWS

What unjust laws are they protesting?

I thought they were protesting that some people make more money then others.


Banks using tax payer insured money to make risky investments is unjust. For one example.
 
2011-11-18 11:28:03 AM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: Giltric: I thought they were protesting that some people make more money then others.

What an original troll.


I'll ask again. What unjust laws are they protesting?

Surely somone as trolly as you will have at least a funny or completely batshiat insane answer.


/entertain me, troll
 
2011-11-18 11:28:29 AM
King Something: THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE:
NON-VIOLENTLY DISOBEYING UNJUST LAWS



So, making sure you get a freebie at the expense of someone else is now an unjust law?

These tards don't have the first clue what they are protesting, how is anyone else going to distill their message from the concentrated stream of left wing batshiat they keep spewing?
 
2011-11-18 11:29:26 AM
DarnoKonrad: BuckTurgidson: But it's all just about enforcing the "no camping in the park" curfew. Really.

The tea party made a lot noise, but they went home and organized afterwards. If they had just built shanty towns, 2010 wouldn't have gotten a bunch of fascists elected.

I'm really concerned all this OWS shiat isn't going to amount to anything politically.


It wasn't really to much of their organizing afterwards. They had quite a bit of help from moneyed parties who thought "These people want taxes lowered? Perhaps I'll financially back a republican candidate and label them with the TEA banner." OWS is not going to get that support. They need to be a proper grassroots organization. Rallying points, physical locations in major cities, is a big part of their organizing power.
 
2011-11-18 11:31:28 AM
sinschild:


So, making sure you get a freebie at the expense of someone else is now an unjust law?


Yes, I agree, the practices of many of the major financial intuitions and corporations are unjust.
 
2011-11-18 11:32:19 AM
Sounds like something that a Bond Villain would use.illegal.tender: lewismarktwo: So permanently damaging someone's hearing isn't a crime? Good to know.

If you are the 1%, or are in their service, nothing you do is illegal. They could gang rape a protestor and all would be fine and dandy.


They were resisting the officers!
 
2011-11-18 11:32:54 AM
blahpers: It's okay! It's 3 decibels short of the level required to "immediately damage" human hearing. That means it's perfectly safe!

3 decibels is actually a doubling of power!

TMYK
===*
 
2011-11-18 11:33:27 AM
King Something: Would you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Tea Party Patriots?

People will be too happy to point out that the Tea Party gatherings have been too respectful to require such things.

The Tea Party is a fine example of what modern protest should be. According to our corporate masters, anyway.

Your protest should be subdued, bought-out, co-opted and controlled.

When corporate media is clamoring to organize your events for you so that they can broadcast them, it's time to stop and realize that you're just a farking puppet.
 
2011-11-18 11:33:41 AM
Giltric: /entertain me, troll

Alright, how about this?
 
2011-11-18 11:38:44 AM
ModernPrimitive01: Giltric: King Something: Since there will be people in this thread who approve of not just the sound cannon being used against the OWS protesters but also chemical weapons and "less lethal" beanbag shotguns, I'd like to ask those people:

Would you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Tea Party Patriots?
If not, then why do you approve of the use of sound cannons, CS gas and beanbag shotguns against Occupiers?


Do you approve of police using these weapons and showing up in riot gear to arrest people for violating anti-loitering laws? Littering laws? Jaywalking laws?
Why or why not?


And to those of you who approve of these atrocities by the police against the occupiers for their civil disobedience because although OWS is non-violent, they're still breaking the law:
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE:
NON-VIOLENTLY DISOBEYING UNJUST LAWS

What unjust laws are they protesting?

I thought they were protesting that some people make more money then others.

I would say they're protesting among other things, unjust laws (or lack thereof) that allow banks to robosign loan documents and then forclose on home owners, or laws that allow investors to play fast and loose with people's money with no recompense for destroying the livelihood of the 99%, or laws that allow the people with the most money to bribe congress into passing laws that only benefit the wealthy or giant corporations (see NAFTA), or an educational system that forces students to take on a large amount of debt just to get through college (I know you worked 4 jobs and don't owe anything but it doesn't work that way for everyone), or laws that allow the medical industry to increase the cost of potentially life saving treatment by 10% every year without justification. Is that enough examples for you?


Whats with the robosigning outrage? If someone bought a house, why does it matter if an autopen signed the documents, If someone bought a house then lost their job and couldn't afford their house anymore and got foreclosed upon how would an authentically signed document change the outcome vs a document signed by an autopen?
 
2011-11-18 11:39:55 AM
Philip Francis Queeg: sinschild:


So, making sure you get a freebie at the expense of someone else is now an unjust law?


Yes, I agree, the practices of many of the major financial intuitions and corporations are unjust.


Then protest those organizations and the bought out whores in washington who passed the legislation that allowed it. Please tell me WTF equal rights for animals and forgiveness of student loans has to do with money in politics?

They have no message that resonates with the very people they are claiming to represent, so they just allow everyone to spew their cute little left wing diatribe. Perhaps if someone were to lart a clue into them, it might go somewhere.
 
2011-11-18 11:40:24 AM
OWS has it rough because they don't suck Koch for a living.
 
2011-11-18 11:40:39 AM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: Giltric: /entertain me, troll

Alright, how about this?


Meh, maybe you should get your shine box instead.
 
2011-11-18 11:41:39 AM
ModernPrimitive01: I would say they're protesting among other things, unjust laws (or lack thereof) that allow banks to robosign loan documents and then forclose on home owners, or laws that allow investors to play fast and loose with people's money with no recompense for destroying the livelihood of the 99%, or laws that allow the people with the most money to bribe congress into passing laws that only benefit the wealthy or giant corporations (see NAFTA), or an educational system that forces students to take on a large amount of debt just to get through college (I know you worked 4 jobs and don't owe anything but it doesn't work that way for everyone), or laws that allow the medical industry to increase the cost of potentially life saving treatment by 10% every year without justification. Is that enough examples for you?

I'm sure that there is are individuals within the OWS movement that have specific wants and goals. The problem is that it's pretty much impossible to talk to a mob that has no leader. Since there's no single voice, it's basically a bunch of retards throwing a tantrum.
 
2011-11-18 11:41:46 AM
sinschild: Philip Francis Queeg: sinschild:


So, making sure you get a freebie at the expense of someone else is now an unjust law?


Yes, I agree, the practices of many of the major financial intuitions and corporations are unjust.

Then protest those organizations and the bought out whores in washington who passed the legislation that allowed it. Please tell me WTF equal rights for animals and forgiveness of student loans has to do with money in politics?

They have no message that resonates with the very people they are claiming to represent, so they just allow everyone to spew their cute little left wing diatribe. Perhaps if someone were to lart a clue into them, it might go somewhere.


What does abortion and gay marriage have to do with being Taxed Enough Already?
 
2011-11-18 11:42:21 AM
Jackson Herring: blahpers: It's okay! It's 3 decibels short of the level required to "immediately damage" human hearing. That means it's perfectly safe!

3 decibels is actually a doubling of power!

TMYK
===*


And they use decibels as units of sound amplitude because ears are linearly sensitive devices?
 
2011-11-18 11:42:26 AM
my photobucket of collected ows pictures (new window)

please post more so I can grow this, feel free to direct link/use as needed.
 
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