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(The New York Times) Interesting As Gaddafi's regime was falling, a motley crew of Americans offered to help him get out of Libya -- for a very hefty fee   (nytimes.com) divider line 61
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2011-11-18 08:16:15 AM
so the group includes a self-proclaimed terrorism expert, a bush appointee who bilked the government out of $200m, and a former RNC/AIPAC official? why am i not surprised. sounds like the guest list for a hannity show.
 
2011-11-18 08:55:26 AM
So, this is the "America First" crowd?
 
2011-11-18 09:07:00 AM
If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...
 
2011-11-18 09:31:00 AM
I love it when a plan doesn't come together.
 
2011-11-18 09:32:26 AM
I understand they were doing it for the girls, girls, girls.

/got nothin'
 
2011-11-18 09:33:13 AM
B-b-but I thought republicans were tough on terror and rogue heads of state?
 
2011-11-18 09:33:52 AM
Glad these guys failed in their efforts, an exiled Qaddafi would have still wielded some power like a locked up mob boss.
 
2011-11-18 09:34:09 AM
wiki.urbandead.com
 
2011-11-18 09:34:23 AM
Moral Compass? What's that?

I think the Scary Tag would have been a bit more appropriate.
 
2011-11-18 09:34:40 AM
The concept of getting him (and out key players in his regime) out has merit. Gaddafi leaving would have likely prevented a number of sieges and bloodshed.

Such deals though should be handed on a government to government level though, not via some random jackasses.
 
2011-11-18 09:34:44 AM
I seent that movie, dawg!
 
2011-11-18 09:35:04 AM
Was one of their names "Duke"?

/ Sounds awfully familiar.
 
2011-11-18 09:35:34 AM
That's BS. Even when Vince Neil wasn't the frontman the Crue would never betray the good ol' USA!
 
2011-11-18 09:36:44 AM
The Suicide Squad?
 
2011-11-18 09:38:15 AM
blogs.houstonpress.com
"I do not recognize the legitimacy of the rebel movement. Furthermore, Tripoli aint the only place to do a bunga-bunga."
 
2011-11-18 09:40:03 AM
MooseUpNorth: Was one of their names "Duke"?

/ Sounds awfully familiar.


This!
 
2011-11-18 09:40:07 AM
"Our group of Libyan sympathizers is extremely worried about this and we would like to help to block the actions of your international enemies and to support a normal working relationship with the United States Government," the letter said. "Therefore it is absolutely required to speak officially and with one strong voice with the American Government."

Mr. Borgers ended the letter with the words "Your Obedient Servants," signing his own name and adding those of the four Americans.


Farking nauseating.
 
2011-11-18 09:40:51 AM
ramen_for_all: [wiki.urbandead.com image 525x350]

Ctrl-F "team", whoo no posts yet!
Scroll...aww
 
2011-11-18 09:40:52 AM
Wouldn't this count as giving comfort to the enemy? Why aren't they being charged with treason?
 
2011-11-18 09:41:15 AM
ha-ha-guy: The concept of getting him (and out key players in his regime) out has merit. Gaddafi leaving would have likely prevented a number of sieges and bloodshed.

Such deals though should be handed on a government to government level though, not via some random jackasses.


I suspect more of the world's affairs are orchestrated by random jackasses than anyone would ever be willing to admit.

That said, yes. It was non-odious if they were proposing taking this douche's money to negotiate an exit to end to the civil war and get him a rain check on the bayonet-raping. The Borgers bit, however, less so.

Oh, and, FTA: Of the $10 million fee the group sought, Mr. Borgers said, "The aim was not to make money." On the other hand, he added, "If you want to put up a serious operation in Washington, I think you need at least $10 million."

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2011-11-18 09:41:36 AM
dervish16108: B-b-but I thought republicans were tough on terror and rogue heads of state?

They are. They just love money even more...
 
2011-11-18 09:42:48 AM
This should be brought up at every single Republican debate, all 10,000 of them. Of course, it won't be mentioned once

On the other hand, nice usage of the word eleemosynary. So they have that going for them.
 
2011-11-18 09:43:44 AM
ha-ha-guy: The concept of getting him (and out key players in his regime) out has merit. Gaddafi leaving would have likely prevented a number of sieges and bloodshed.

Such deals though should be handed on a government to government level though, not via some random jackasses.


I'm surprised how reluctant these Arab leaders are to face the facts and take a nice retirement somewhere. Gaddafi could have bought himself a pacific island and lived the high life for his remaining decade or 2. But he just had to be Mr Important Pants and he ended up dying at the hands of a baying mob.

I bet when he was hiding in that tunnel and crapping his pants he was reconsidering the deal to get him out of Libya.
 
2011-11-18 09:45:38 AM
This has "B-list party movie" written all over it. I see Bruce Willis in the lead role.
 
2011-11-18 09:46:11 AM
userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2011-11-18 09:46:50 AM
LoneWolf343: Wouldn't this count as giving comfort to the enemy? Why aren't they being charged with treason?

Cause they're politically connected republicans.
 
2011-11-18 09:49:00 AM
"We were not an eleemosynary organization," he said.

He talks purdy.
 
2011-11-18 09:51:51 AM
Tapakip: This should be brought up at every single Republican debate, all 10,000 of them. Of course, it won't be mentioned once

On the other hand, nice usage of the word eleemosynary. So they have that going for them.


Kind of like how a vague hint of a sex scandal or inappropriate loan (or in the case of Howard Dean, an inappropriate groan) is a much more popular way to attack a politician than the fact that hundreds of Republicans over the decades (including a number of presidents) regularly dress up in purple robes and go to a freaky ceremony called "The cremation of care" in which the effigy of a child is burned and a giant owl statue is worshiped and they whip their dicks out and piss on redwood trees together.

But don't worry, the really important thing is that Herman Cain touched a few women's boobs, or that Clinton put a cigar up a woman's wazoo.
 
2011-11-18 09:52:38 AM
ha-ha-guy: "The concept of getting him ... out has merit."

Getting him out, *but into custody* has merit. But these clowns were not angling to get him into international custody.
And, as you say, it should be a government-level exercise.

These clowns are the reason we need to declare war, or at least formal economic/diplomatic embargo against these enemies-we're-at-war-with-without-declaring-war.
Because this looks like an open and shut case of US citizens offering aid and comfort to the enemy -- you know, treason.
 
2011-11-18 09:53:37 AM
So these guys kidnap Gaddafi under the ruse of getting him out of Libya, then send a letter to the US government and Libyan rebels saying "We have him, give us 500 million or we'll take care of him ourselves."

How does anybody lose?
 
2011-11-18 09:53:57 AM
Of course it was Republicans. Anything to say Obama's involvement in Libya was a failure. You'd think Republicans would have supported Gaddafi getting sodomized to death, considering how much they secretly love sodomy.
 
2011-11-18 09:58:04 AM
Looks like they gave him a better deal than they did us. How come taxpayers gotta pay full price for these weasels?
 
2011-11-18 09:59:27 AM
Lifeless: So these guys kidnap Gaddafi under the ruse of getting him out of Libya, then send a letter to the US government and Libyan rebels saying "We have him, give us 500 million or we'll take care of him ourselves."

How does anybody lose?


I missed that part...
 
2011-11-18 10:00:22 AM
"We were not an eleemosynary organization," he said.

You can just say "charity", you stupid dick.
 
2011-11-18 10:05:19 AM
Dr. Mojo PhD: "We were not an eleemosynary organization," he said.

You can just say "charity", you stupid dick.


Hey that man owns a thesaurus and the complete collection of Ayn Rand (and nothing else). Let the man show off his skills.
 
2011-11-18 10:09:54 AM
LoneWolf343: Wouldn't this count as giving comfort to the enemy? Why aren't they being charged with treason?

because actual elected officials are too busy negotiating with the Taliban, Muslim Brotherhood, and covering up Fast and Furious.
 
2011-11-18 10:13:19 AM
LoneWolf343: Wouldn't this count as giving comfort to the enemy? Why aren't they being charged with treason?

....because they weren't our enemy. We weren't at war.

It was merely a kinetic military action.

/ I disagree with that assessment, but last I knew, it was still the official line.
 
2011-11-18 10:34:33 AM
Tapakip: On the other hand, nice usage of the word eleemosynary. So they have that going for them.

As lovely and obscure as that word is, I find it almost exculsively used by douchebags.
 
2011-11-18 10:34:43 AM
Diogenes: "We were not an eleemosynary organization," he said.

He talks purdy.


Oh yeah? Well, you're an...elementar... idiosync....elephantio....whatever it was you said. Times two.
 
2011-11-18 10:35:05 AM
epoc_tnac: I'm surprised how reluctant these Arab leaders are to face the facts and take a nice retirement somewhere. Gaddafi could have bought himself a pacific island and lived the high life for his remaining decade or 2. But he just had to be Mr Important Pants and he ended up dying at the hands of a baying mob.

I think he probably believed his own propaganda - that the "real" Libyans loved him and would rise up and kick out all the rebel usurpers.
I imagine he suspected to be rescued right up until the bullet entered his brain (NOTE: I do not actually know where on his person he got shot, as I didn't watch the snuff film circulating the internets).
 
2011-11-18 10:35:07 AM
Why is this at all surprising? The libertarian-leaning Republicans are very open about their "anything that can make money is inherently moral" world view.
 
2011-11-18 10:36:29 AM
Rev. Skarekroe: I imagine he suspected expected to be rescued right

FTFM
 
2011-11-18 10:37:00 AM
Worst.Fark handle. ever.: Great_Milenko: LoneWolf343: Wouldn't this count as giving comfort to the enemy? Why aren't they being charged with treason?

Cause they're politically connected republicans.

Look up the "Business Plot" on Wiki. Republicans have been conspiring with totalitarian regimes and working against the interests of the USA since at least......well, forever!


So you are saying you are a socialist commie that hates the free market?
 
2011-11-18 10:39:20 AM
LoneWolf343: Wouldn't this count as giving comfort to the enemy? Why aren't they being charged with treason?

You would think that some kind of laws were broken.
 
2011-11-18 10:40:50 AM
epoc_tnac:
But don't worry, the really important thing is that Herman Cain touched a few women's boobs, or that Clinton put a cigar up a woman's wazoo.


It was the hoo-ha, not the wazoo.
 
2011-11-18 10:41:10 AM
Are these the same folks who got the bin Laden family out of the US on 9/11?
 
2011-11-18 10:42:39 AM
LoneWolf343: Wouldn't this count as giving comfort to the enemy? Why aren't they being charged with treason?

Was it a war? Bit of a grey area there.

FTA:
"The idea was to find them an Arabic-speaking sanctuary and let them keep some money, in return for getting out," he said. The consultants promised to help free billions of dollars in blocked Libyan assets by steering the government into compliance with United Nations resolutions."

That part doesn't sound like treason - they are offering to broker a deal where the UN resolution are met, and Gaddafi is sent into (a form of) exile. Could have avoided some bloodshed and satisfied the UN resolutions - a good thing?

This part makes it sound like a prank:

"...another partner in the proposed deal, a Belgian named Dirk Borgers. "


And his Thai partner "Phart Nokker".
 
2011-11-18 10:44:49 AM
absolutely typical
 
2011-11-18 10:45:12 AM
He made the right call, sounds like extortion to me. Never underestimate american slime and greed. Should toss those asshats over there and extort them.
 
2011-11-18 11:01:44 AM
Worst.Fark handle. ever.: A republican who is secretly working with regimes hostile to America? I am shocked. SHOCKED! -Oliver North
 
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