The Supreme Court said in a statement today, "It is not overly high-handed to qualify naked hiking as a breach of decency customs."

Yes it is. The human body is natural, and nothing to be ashamed of. Grow the fark up.

I'm not naked. I'm wearing shoes

jaylectricity: Learning to be ashamed of your body IS growing up.

Oddly enough, when you frame in those terms, the unhealthiness of that attitude really shines through.

BurnShrike: Yes it is. The human body is natural, and nothing to be ashamed of. Grow the fark up.

So is dropping a duece.

Crevasse and Bunghead?

It seems like no one would really have a problem with this if we banned naked men but encouraged naked women. Too bad about the whole equality movement ruining everyone's fun.

Nice use of the asinine tag and the word "crevasse" in the headline.

I imagine most of the people who would hike naked are not the kind of people I would enjoy seeing hike naked, so I'm ok with this.

Yes, nudity is natural but so are a lot of things. Pooping, for instance. Mind if I poop in front of you? It's perfectly natural so you shouldn't have any problem with that, right?

The Supreme Court said in a statement today, "It is not overly high-handed to qualify naked hiking as a breach of decency customs."

Depends on the hiker really... but since it's Sweden, I'll just go ahead and assume that it is only hot blonde supermodel types that do this, so I'm going to allow it!

AverageAmericanGuy: It seems like no one would really have a problem with this if we banned naked men but encouraged naked women. Too bad about the whole equality movement ruining everyone's fun.

Too bad no one thought of this prior to 1990.

Swiss women can vote now? That explains the rise in instant cocoa prices.

AverageAmericanGuy: It seems like no one would really have a problem with this if we banned naked men but encouraged naked women. Too bad about the whole equality movement ruining everyone's fun.

If the Swiss women are anything like the women I saw on the trails in the Bavarian Alps, then I fully support this sentiment. There are some seriously gorgeous and well-proportioned women hiking out there.

Appenzell, a devout and conservative region that only granted women the right to vote in 1990, had passed a ban on nudist hiking earlier that year after an influx of unclothed ramblers.


Every part of this sentence is completely f*cked up.

ftfa

"Appenzell, a devout and conservative region that only granted women the right to vote in 1990...."

wow.

As an avid hiker/backpacker, I must say: I've never understood the allure of doing this nekkid. Not under any circumstance.

Nick Nostril: As an avid hiker/backpacker, I must say: I've never understood the allure of doing this nekkid. Not under any circumstance.

Me neither. I live in the desert. Every plant, animal, and insect out there is looking to inflict some kind of pain on your skin.

JLEM: Appenzell, a devout and conservative region that only granted women the right to vote in 1990, had passed a ban on nudist hiking earlier that year after an influx of unclothed ramblers.

Well, there's your problem. You let women vote. That underlined part led directly to that bolded part. Stupidasses.

J.Garcia'sRightMiddleFinger: So is dropping a duece.

That might be considered littering, especially if you drop it on the trail. Now, if you carry a little bag, pick it up, and drop it in the nearest waste receptacle like we do with dog poo, I'm guess that's okay.

Still not something I want to see - mostly because I'm not a German.

theorellior: Then you'd love to see my plague buboes or necrotizing fascitis, right? Those are all-natural, too.

Bad example. Contagious vs bewbs. Try again.

Nick Nostril: As an avid hiker/backpacker, I must say: I've never understood the allure of doing this nekkid. Not under any circumstance.

Yeah, that was actually my first thought.

Jamdug!: This is what happens when you fine a stranger in the Alps.

How some variation of this was not the title is beyond me.

Subby, you're out of your element.

Here's the thing. I don't mind nudity. If all the people I'm going to see nude were male/female models, ie what you see on every magazine cover and advertising, then it would be great. Because only clean, good looking people would be nude. The problem is, 99.9 percent of us aren't those people. There is a time and place for being nude, and it's not in a public place. If it's allowed, there should at least be a warning sign saying something like 'disgusting ugly unshaved fat bodies may be roaming naked at any time and the glasses and bleach will do nothing'.

Nick Nostril: As an avid hiker/backpacker, I must say: I've never understood the allure of doing this nekkid. Not under any circumstance.

As well as gardening. Insects, stinging/stabbing plants, dirt and grit everywhere. Sunburn in uncomfortable places. Stepping on sharp/hard objects.

The weird thing is that "shame" of nudity seems to be more ingrained than just social or religious mores. First of all, it seems to go back a long ways, and in fact the very first stories in the Old Testament try to address the question -- why do humans cover up?

Also, although there are certainly large variations in what societies consider nudity, there are very, very few examples now or historically of large societies where it was totally okay to be fully nude. Even the remotest tribes in the hottest regions seem to still be inclined to wear some sort of string loincloth or sheath.

You can also see this with young children. Arguably the concept of shame is taught to them, but there really is an age pretty early where kids prefer to cover up.

Maybe nudity sort of reminds us that we're really animals, and we're uncomfortable psychologically with that. Or maybe evolutionarily we developed to consider showing genitals to be a sexual invitation and therefore it is something that needs to be controlled, with the feeling of shame being the side effect to enforce it.

But anyway, my point is that shame of full nudity seems extremely pervasive, probably has a meaningful evolutionary purpose, and therefore likely to be based on more than just religious impositions.

Jamdug!: This is what happens when you fine a stranger in the Alps.

Winner.

Came here to write this.

Is this actually so big a problem that they need to bring a Supreme Court ruling in on it. Honestly? I mean, were the mountains teeming with naked human flesh to the extent that an actual rule had to be put in place? Don't flash your naughty bits while on the mountain. That's gotta be some sort of record somehow.

Isn't it cold in the Alps? Like, too cold to be naked cold?

/Ok with hikers being forced to wear clothing.
//It's only a small fine. Smaller then speeding tickets in many places.
///"Daddy, why is that man naked?" is not a discussion i want to have with my kid while climbing the Alps.

jabelar: The weird thing is that "shame" of nudity seems to be more ingrained than just social or religious mores. First of all, it seems to go back a long ways, and in fact the very first stories in the Old Testament try to address the question -- why do humans cover up?

Also, although there are certainly large variations in what societies consider nudity, there are very, very few examples now or historically of large societies where it was totally okay to be fully nude. Even the remotest tribes in the hottest regions seem to still be inclined to wear some sort of string loincloth or sheath.

You can also see this with young children. Arguably the concept of shame is taught to them, but there really is an age pretty early where kids prefer to cover up.

Maybe nudity sort of reminds us that we're really animals, and we're uncomfortable psychologically with that. Or maybe evolutionarily we developed to consider showing genitals to be a sexual invitation and therefore it is something that needs to be controlled, with the feeling of shame being the side effect to enforce it.

But anyway, my point is that shame of full nudity seems extremely pervasive, probably has a meaningful evolutionary purpose, and therefore likely to be based on more than just religious impositions.

Or maybe we need to protect our bodies from sand or the cold?

OK alpine ladies, show us your cwm!

L33t Squirrel: AverageAmericanGuy: It seems like no one would really have a problem with this if we banned naked men ugly people but encouraged naked women hot people. Too bad about the whole equality movement too many fat people ruining everyone's fun.

Fixed that for everyone here. :P

/runs away giggling jiggling

Also fixed that for everyone here.

Nick Nostril: As an avid hiker/backpacker, I must say: I've never understood the allure of doing this nekkid. Not under any circumstance.

Well, touristy pictures seem to claim that they're obviously hiking across pristine fields near cool mountain streams at the base of huge mountains.

Which is a bit different than the tick infested tall grass, near impenetrable rhododendrons, low scrub bursh and thorny plants that I get to regularly deal with.

BurnShrike: The Supreme Court said in a statement today, "It is not overly high-handed to qualify naked hiking as a breach of decency customs."

Yes it is. The human body is natural, and nothing to be ashamed of. Grow the fark up.

Here's the question: Do the citizens have the right to enact laws establishing norms of behavior for everyone in their own land? there are several answers:

Yes

No.

If you argue "no" Then you are stating that Citizens cannot have any level of control over any part of their lives. They must hew to some imagined 'best' law that they have no hand in creating and no investment in keeping. you then must empower a whole group of persons to 'enforce' this law, since it will likely be against the hearts of most citizens.

If you argue "yes" then you are , indeed, opening the door to a horde of wicked behavior. You might find that they enact slavery laws, or take the vote away from women (or don't give it to them in the first place) or empower parents to beat their children to death, or even de-criminalize murder, or make persons of a certain color or bloodline or nationality 'second-class citizens'. Does that prospect of this wickedness lead you to claim that the population has no right to its own destiny?

How would i know if those Alps are indeed Swiss if I can't see her Matterhorn?

So remember naked Australian hikers, when you cross the Alps into Switzerland no more flipping and waving your furless wombat around.



ROIGHT MATE!

Ow! That was my feelings!: ftfa

"Appenzell, a devout and conservative region that only granted women the right to vote in 1990...."

wow.

It is literally the Alabama of Switzerland. Swiss from the other Cantons generally regarded them as "rednecks".

Born_Again_Bavarian: Ow! That was my feelings!: ftfa

"Appenzell, a devout and conservative region that only granted women the right to vote in 1990...."

wow.

It is literally the Alabama of Switzerland. Swiss from the other Cantons generally regarded them as "rednecks".

LITERALLY

Born_Again_Bavarian: It is literally the Alabama of Switzerland. Swiss from the other Cantons generally regarded them as "rednecks".

Yes, but could they also open a can and fry an insect with solar power? That, my friend, is the important question about the Swiss that lies before us.

The alps are quite cold this time of year. You should at least have some mittens.

JLEM: Appenzell, a devout and conservative region that only granted women the right to vote in 1990, had passed a ban on nudist hiking earlier that year after an influx of unclothed ramblers.


Every part of this sentence is completely f*cked up.

Yes, but that part about the women's vote is also highly misleading. Women could vote long before 1990 in all but local council elections and referendums. The explanation for that is that there is a local tradition called "Landsgemeinde" where voting for local councils and referendums is not done at the ballot box but instead by a show of hands by citizens assembled in the town square. Most people treat that as an excuse to hit the pubs and get drunk afterwards. So for a lot of the men who were voting to approve the various referendums that tried to introduce women's vote it became more of an issue of "do we want our wifes here when we get drunk" than a "should women be allowed to vote" issue. After a bunch of failed referendums, the federal government stepped in and forced the issue in 1990.

But yes, as Born_Again_Bavarian said, that region is pretty much the Alabama of Switzerland.

AverageAmericanGuy: It seems like no one would really have a problem with this if we banned naked men but encouraged naked women. Too bad about the whole equality movement ruining everyone's fun.

I'm in favor of banning certain naked women. Cf. previous thread.......