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(Daily Mail) Florida Sorry we gave your Grandpa an execution drug rather than his antacid. Whoops. Our bad   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 141
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2011-11-17 08:01:18 PM
The nurse responsible for the mix up still works at the hospital. She was fined $2,800, reprimanded and had to attend a re-training course.

Well there ya go. Totally OK.
 
2011-11-17 08:14:31 PM
Is the nurse or the hospital liable for the lawsuit that's sure to come? I'm guessing the hospital. If they think she's learned the lesson and want to keep her, they're the ones taking that risk.

Pawn takes the King: The nurse responsible for the mix up still works at the hospital. She was fined $2,800, reprimanded and had to attend a re-training course.

Well there ya go. Totally OK.


Well what do you expect them to do about it? Use their time machine and fix it?
 
2011-11-17 08:14:45 PM
Oh holy Jesus. She gave him pancuronium and left him alone. He didn't just "die". He was paralyzed while wide awake, and slowly suffocated to death. That facility had best just whip out the checkbook and start with a seven-figure offer, because they do NOT want a competent attorney to tell the jury what this guy went through before he died.
 
2011-11-17 08:17:51 PM
The hospital's defense: "Hey, his stomach isn't bothering him any more, is it?"
 
2011-11-17 08:21:27 PM
The daily mail? Good thing this could never happen here, where we don't have socialized medicine!
 
2011-11-17 08:28:55 PM
FTF Comments: "extremely disturbing that hospitals have execution drugs,why would they want to stock it?."

Because it's sensationalist journalism, you farkwad.

The article acts like the drug is only used to kill people. It's like saying "inmates administered chemical[1] used in torture[2] on a daily basis!!!!!!"
[1] water
[2] waterboarding

The part that bugs me is that idiots fall for that shiat.
 
2011-11-17 08:32:35 PM
KyngNothing: The daily mail? Good thing this could never happen here, where we don't have socialized medicine!

This happened in Florida.
 
2011-11-17 08:44:04 PM
Rincewind53: KyngNothing: The daily mail? Good thing this could never happen here, where we don't have socialized medicine!

This happened in Florida.


WHOOOSH
 
2011-11-17 08:54:57 PM
Good, one less person on my commute
 
2011-11-17 09:03:34 PM
dahmers love zombie: Oh holy Jesus. She gave him pancuronium and left him alone. He didn't just "die". He was paralyzed while wide awake, and slowly suffocated to death. That facility had best just whip out the checkbook and start with a seven-figure offer, because they do NOT want a competent attorney to tell the jury what this guy went through before he died.

Yeah, the guy knew he couldn't breathe. Pavulon is labeled with a big red box that says paralyzing agent. Even if the nurse read the order wrong and thought she was to really give Pavulon you don't give it to a patient without having someone at the bedside ready to intubate the patient.

I worked with a nurse who once accidentally pushed potassium because she thought it was lasix. It was at one time packaged in a brown bottle just like lasix - now it has a big red box warning too. She was very upset and killed herself in her garage with the car running a few weeks later.

Had she given the Pavulon and noticed that the patient stopped breathing, and he sure did within a 30 seconds or so, she could have bagged him and called a code, and the guy would probably still be alive. The effect of the drug reverses itself fairly quickly - two or three hours he would have had to have his ventilation supported.

What a horrible death, suffocating without being able to move or cry out.

She has 4 years to pay the fine according to the Board of Nursing.

In every place I have worked Pavulon (and Anectine) are stored in the refrigerator, so if she got it out of the fridge she is the biggest idiot on the face of the earth.
 
2011-11-17 09:07:14 PM
dahmers love zombie: Oh holy Jesus. She gave him pancuronium and left him alone. He didn't just "die". He was paralyzed while wide awake, and slowly suffocated to death. That facility had best just whip out the checkbook and start with a seven-figure offer, because they do NOT want a competent attorney to tell the jury what this guy went through before he died.

THIS

I say give the nurse 10mg of succinylcholine. Just enough to paralyze her for a minute or so and see how she feels. Do the same for the jury and the judge. Bet they hand out a 10 figure settlement in seconds.

/had succinylcholine races in med school.
//whoever stayed sitting up the longest wins!
 
2011-11-17 09:08:39 PM
Rincewind53: KyngNothing: The daily mail? Good thing this could never happen here, where we don't have socialized medicine!

This happened in Florida.


Ah, yes. Florida. Where the biology course requirement for the R.N. got too tough for the students, so they got rid of it.
 
2011-11-17 09:29:40 PM
dahmers love zombie: Rincewind53: KyngNothing: The daily mail? Good thing this could never happen here, where we don't have socialized medicine!

This happened in Florida.

Ah, yes. Florida. Where the biology course requirement for the R.N. got too tough for the students, so they got rid of it.


Really, I used to teach that lab at the local J.C, and Chem for non-chem majors (nursing students mostly).

I thought the new GNs were stupid because they were 20 and I think that about all 20 year olds.
 
2011-11-17 10:22:03 PM
feckingmorons: What a horrible death, suffocating without being able to move or cry out.

This is exactly why I always carry a clown horn.
 
2011-11-17 10:32:37 PM
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2011-11-17 10:34:11 PM
Why for the love of fark's sake was an execution drug on a hospital cart in the first farking place? Why the fark was it there? Is there a legitimate use for this drug besides killing off old people the nurses are tired of dealing with?
 
2011-11-17 10:36:53 PM
Cpl.D: Why for the love of fark's sake was an execution drug on a hospital cart in the first farking place? Why the fark was it there? Is there a legitimate use for this drug besides killing off old people the nurses are tired of dealing with?

Death panels.
 
2011-11-17 10:36:54 PM
Cpl.D: Why for the love of fark's sake was an execution drug on a hospital cart in the first farking place? Why the fark was it there? Is there a legitimate use for this drug besides killing off old people the nurses are tired of dealing with?

Yes. Read the thread. Stop buying into bullshiat sensationalism. It's not "an execution drug." It's not a freaking cyanide capsule. It's a muscle relaxant that is used for surgeries that also happens to be part of the process of an execution.
 
2011-11-17 10:37:20 PM
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/Fliptable not enough sometimes
 
2011-11-17 10:38:26 PM
JanusofZeal: Cpl.D: Why for the love of fark's sake was an execution drug on a hospital cart in the first farking place? Why the fark was it there? Is there a legitimate use for this drug besides killing off old people the nurses are tired of dealing with?

Yes. Read the thread. Stop buying into bullshiat sensationalism. It's not "an execution drug." It's not a freaking cyanide capsule. It's a muscle relaxant that is used for surgeries that also happens to be part of the process of an execution.


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2011-11-17 10:39:15 PM
JanusofZeal: Yes. Read the thread. Stop buying into bullshiat sensationalism. It's not "an execution drug." It's not a freaking cyanide capsule. It's a muscle relaxant that is used for surgeries that also happens to be part of the process of an execution.

Thank you. I knew there had to be more than that in it. Ok, so it explains that part. The only questionable part now is how the meds were administered in spite of all the safety checks.
 
2011-11-17 10:39:15 PM
/recently lost a grandparent to a similar event
//not kidding, it was horrible
 
2011-11-17 10:42:27 PM
I'm guessing this happened due to a combination of poorly constructed safety checks, malaise, and a hell of a lot of complacency. Damn, I feel bad for the old man. That's one hell of a way to go.

/Beware the blue ringed octopus
 
2011-11-17 10:43:15 PM
Cpl.D: Why for the love of fark's sake was an execution drug on a hospital cart in the first farking place? Why the fark was it there? Is there a legitimate use for this drug besides killing off old people the nurses are tired of dealing with?

It is used quite frequently in a hospital setting, if you've been intubated - like for anesthesia for surgery- you've probably had it.

All of the drugs used in executions are commonly used in hospitals. Two are used in anesthesia, and potassium chloride is used frequently all over the hospital, although not in a bolus as in executions.

We shouldn't kill people.
 
2011-11-17 10:45:21 PM
JanusofZeal: . It's a muscle relaxant that is used for surgeries that also happens to be part of the process of an execution.

It is actually a paralytic, similar to curare, it is a bit more than a relaxant - same church different pew sort of difference.
 
2011-11-17 10:46:20 PM
Or at least it makes for a good argument in favor of rifle squads. There's no way you're going to confuse an antacid and a high powered hunting rifle.
 
2011-11-17 10:46:41 PM
Cpl.D: I'm guessing this happened due to a combination of poorly constructed safety checks, malaise, and a hell of a lot of complacency. Damn, I feel bad for the old man. That's one hell of a way to go.

/Beware the blue ringed octopus



That and with the nurse's name being Uvo Ologboride, she probably can't read/speak English for shiat
 
2011-11-17 10:47:32 PM
Why can't I be lucky enough to get the execution drug?
 
2011-11-17 10:49:15 PM
Why the fark would a drug used for executions be in a hospital in the first place? Sounds just like an accident waiting to happen.
 
2011-11-17 10:51:54 PM
craxyd: That and with the nurse's name being Uvo Ologboride, she probably can't read/speak English for shiat

Tsk tsk.
 
2011-11-17 10:52:19 PM
dahmers love zombie: Oh holy Jesus. She gave him pancuronium and left him alone. He didn't just "die". He was paralyzed while wide awake, and slowly suffocated to death. That facility had best just whip out the checkbook and start with a seven-figure offer, because they do NOT want a competent attorney to tell the jury what this guy went through before he died.


For some reason I feel inclined to trust your opinion on this matter, dahmers love zombie.
 
2011-11-17 10:54:07 PM
JanusofZeal: Well what do you expect them to do about it? Use their time machine and fix it?

This should be criminal recklessness. If the bottles are correctly labeled, this mistake should not be made.
 
2011-11-17 10:54:27 PM
Great, now they'll probably try to execute people with Pepcid.
 
2011-11-17 10:54:39 PM
Zeno-25: Why the fark would a drug used for executions be in a hospital in the first place? Sounds just like an accident waiting to happen.

Huh? The very next sentence in the article said it was a muscle relaxer used in operating rooms.
If they didn't store things that were fatal when administered incorrectly then what would they use? Sugar water?
 
2011-11-17 10:56:56 PM
So we don't have 7 billion people any more?
 
2011-11-17 10:57:06 PM
You can't really blame the nurse for thinking that it would make him better, after all, it said pancuronium right on the label!

Don't they teach Latin in schools anymore?
 
2011-11-17 10:59:20 PM
craxyd: Cpl.D: I'm guessing this happened due to a combination of poorly constructed safety checks, malaise, and a hell of a lot of complacency. Damn, I feel bad for the old man. That's one hell of a way to go.

/Beware the blue ringed octopus


That and with the nurse's name being Uvo Ologboride, she probably can't read/speak English for shiat



I'll bet she's curse you out in some foreign language for saying that.
 
2011-11-17 11:00:45 PM
FTA: But nurse Uvo Ologboride picked up a vial of Pancuronium from a locked drug cart and injected it into the former teacher's IV tube.

I most humblie sugjest I have do found the porblem
 
2011-11-17 11:00:55 PM
Amos Quito: craxyd: Cpl.D: I'm guessing this happened due to a combination of poorly constructed safety checks, malaise, and a hell of a lot of complacency. Damn, I feel bad for the old man. That's one hell of a way to go.

/Beware the blue ringed octopus


That and with the nurse's name being Uvo Ologboride, she probably can't read/speak English for shiat


I'll bet she's curse you out in some foreign language for saying that.



Ibn gahiba!
 
2011-11-17 11:03:30 PM
crab66: /recently lost a grandparent to a similar event
//not kidding, it was horrible


my condolences
 
2011-11-17 11:05:11 PM
JanusofZeal: Is the nurse or the hospital liable for the lawsuit that's sure to come? I'm guessing the hospital. If they think she's learned the lesson and want to keep her, they're the ones taking that risk.

Pawn takes the King: The nurse responsible for the mix up still works at the hospital. She was fined $2,800, reprimanded and had to attend a re-training course.

Well there ya go. Totally OK.

Well what do you expect them to do about it? Use their time machine and fix it?


The phrase "depraved indifference" comes to mind...how about they fire the fark-up and assist the DA in putting her behind bars?
 
2011-11-17 11:05:37 PM
LordOfThePings: Great, now they'll probably try to execute people with Pepcid.


Oh, they already do.
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"May 26, 2009 -- An estimated 33,000 deaths a year from hospital-acquired pneumonia may result from the practice of routinely prescribing proton pump inhibitors and other acid-suppressing drugs during hospitalization to patients who don't need them."

[...]

Of these, 83% were prescribed proton pump inhibitors and 23% received another class of acid-suppressives known as H2 blockers. Examples of PPIs include Aciphex, Nexium, Prevacid, Prilosec, and Protonix. H2 blockers include Axid, Pepcid, Tagamet, and Zantac."


How many people die from being administered Pancuronium while in the hospital?


/Sensationalism FTW
 
2011-11-17 11:06:09 PM
JanusofZeal: Cpl.D: Why for the love of fark's sake was an execution drug on a hospital cart in the first farking place? Why the fark was it there? Is there a legitimate use for this drug besides killing off old people the nurses are tired of dealing with?

Yes. Read the thread. Stop buying into bullshiat sensationalism. It's not "an execution drug." It's not a freaking cyanide capsule. It's a muscle relaxant that is used for surgeries that also happens to be part of the process of an execution.


The drug Nembutal which Florida (and others) actually does use as in "execution drug" is not an execution drug either. Lundbeck, the company which produces the drug appealed to Florida not to use it as such They no longer will supply the state with the drug, but were unable to stop the misuse of the product.
But they both seem to work pretty well.
 
2011-11-17 11:06:14 PM
aseras: /had succinylcholine races in med school.
//whoever stayed sitting up the longest wins!


You sound like a fun person to party with.

Please tell me what Pancuronium was doing on the nurses cart? It's appears to be something dosed out in small amounts under special settings that would nominally be away from a nurses cart.
 
2011-11-17 11:09:39 PM
JanusofZeal: Is the nurse or the hospital liable for the lawsuit that's sure to come? I'm guessing the hospital. If they think she's learned the lesson and want to keep her, they're the ones taking that risk.

Pawn takes the King: The nurse responsible for the mix up still works at the hospital. She was fined $2,800, reprimanded and had to attend a re-training course.

Well there ya go. Totally OK.

Well what do you expect them to do about it? Use their time machine and fix it?


I would expect them to fire the nurse. We all make mistakes at work, but when that mistake costs someone their life it's time for you to find another job. If you can't follow any of the numerous safeguards they had in place to prevent something like this from happening then you aren't qualified to be a nurse.
 
2011-11-17 11:09:58 PM
Cpl.D: Or at least it makes for a good argument in favor of rifle squads. There's no way you're going to confuse an antacid and a high powered hunting rifle.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average person, much less the average Floridian.
 
2011-11-17 11:10:13 PM
Marc recalled the doctor said: 'I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but the nurse administered the wrong medication.'

'I said: "How could that happen, didn't he read it?" He said: "The nurse said the package looked the same",' Marc added.



HOW THE HELL DOES AN ORALLY ADMINISTERED ANTACID TABLET RESEMBLE AN INTRAVENOUS SOLUTION?????

Seriously. An antacid needs to be administered into the stomach, where the buildup of acid IS. Anything intravenous would be a preventative, not like Pepcid. This isn't confusion of medication, this is a confusion of treatment AND medication!!!
 
2011-11-17 11:10:14 PM
Best health care in the world! Sure, he had to pay thousands of dollars to be accidentally killed, but at least he didn't have to wait for days like they do in Canada and Europe.
 
2011-11-17 11:11:09 PM
So, is it ok to walk on his lawn now?
 
2011-11-17 11:13:15 PM
feckingmorons: Had she given the Pavulon and noticed that the patient stopped breathing, and he sure did within a 30 seconds or so, she could have bagged him and called a code, and the guy would probably still be alive. The effect of the drug reverses itself fairly quickly - two or three hours he would have had to have his ventilation supported.

[I assume you know this, but for the rest of the farkers out there)

...considering paralytics like this are given routinely to facilitate intubation, the best plan would be to whisper a "opps, we temporarily paralyzed you. We're going to put you to sleep and breath for you until it wears off," give an induction agent (say, propofol), intubate, and page respiratory for a vent. There's no reason why the guy should have died from this mistake, provided the nurse wasn't incompetent.
 
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