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2011-11-17 06:07:38 PM  
They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.
 
2011-11-17 06:15:56 PM  
torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.

Good for these guys. Grover was born well off and never had to work a day in his life. He probably thinks he made his wealth all by his little self.
 
2011-11-17 06:19:29 PM  

torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.


Why do so many people think this passes as a valid argument?
 
2011-11-17 06:22:17 PM  

torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.


The US Treasury isn't a charity, and it shouldn't be treated like one.
 
2011-11-17 06:28:11 PM  

downpaymentblues: torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.

Why do so many people think this passes as a valid argument?


Because they're ignorant, apparently. Anyway, to cut-and-paste what I said in response to the same post from the same person in the other thread:

See, here's the thing: One person paying, let's say, 5% more in taxes won't do jack diddly squat to affect the nation's budget deficit--even if that person is Bill Gates or Warren Buffett. Every person over a certain income level paying an extra 5% in taxes could make a huge difference in the nation's budget deficit--hell, it could even solve it if done right.

So, you see, the first thing is a pointless act (and only serves to disadvantage the person doing it with no cognizable offsetting benefit). The second is a meaningful act (which may disadvantage certain persons individually, counterbalanced by certain benefits that accrue to those persons and all others collectively).

This should be a simple concept, really. Why is it so hard for you to understand?
 
2011-11-17 06:29:20 PM  

torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.


And all the people whining about government spending on entitlement programs can return their social security checks and refuse to ask Medicaid to pay their bills.
 
2011-11-17 06:32:10 PM  
Nouriel Roubini is in this group? That's a serious heavyweight thinker there to anchor them.
 
2011-11-17 06:32:30 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.

The US Treasury isn't a charity, and it shouldn't be treated like one.


as long as you are willing to add "by all parties" to that, I would agree
 
2011-11-17 06:34:48 PM  

Nadie_AZ: torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.

Good for these guys. Grover was born well off and never had to work a day in his life. He probably thinks he made his wealth all by his little self.


That's how most millionaires get that way.
 
2011-11-17 06:35:34 PM  

downpaymentblues: torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.

Why do so many people think this passes as a valid argument?


What's invalid about it? These people want to pay more taxes; let them.
 
2011-11-17 06:37:22 PM  

Cyberluddite: downpaymentblues: torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.

Why do so many people think this passes as a valid argument?

Because they're ignorant, apparently. Anyway, to cut-and-paste what I said in response to the same post from the same person in the other thread:

See, here's the thing: One person paying, let's say, 5% more in taxes won't do jack diddly squat to affect the nation's budget deficit--even if that person is Bill Gates or Warren Buffett. Every person over a certain income level paying an extra 5% in taxes could make a huge difference in the nation's budget deficit--hell, it could even solve it if done right.

So, you see, the first thing is a pointless act (and only serves to disadvantage the person doing it with no cognizable offsetting benefit). The second is a meaningful act (which may disadvantage certain persons individually, counterbalanced by certain benefits that accrue to those persons and all others collectively).

This should be a simple concept, really. Why is it so hard for you to understand?


Because government spending expands to consume any revenue increase. And then some, if you hadn't noticed the deficit lately.
 
2011-11-17 06:38:18 PM  

sinschild: Sin_City_Superhero: torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.

The US Treasury isn't a charity, and it shouldn't be treated like one.

as long as you are willing to add "by all parties" to that, I would agree


There is that.
 
2011-11-17 06:39:47 PM  

torch: Because government spending expands to consume any revenue increase.


Stop electing Republicans, then.
 
2011-11-17 06:42:03 PM  

torch: Because government spending expands to consume any revenue increase. And then some, if you hadn't noticed the deficit lately.


Yeah, right, that's some sort of universal law of nature, right? Can you explain the budget surplus during the Clinton years, then, since in your mind a surplus is apparently a factual impossibility?
 
2011-11-17 06:59:09 PM  

torch: downpaymentblues: torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.

Why do so many people think this passes as a valid argument?

What's invalid about it? These people want to pay more taxes; let them.


Because "writing a check" will not work. It will be classed as an overpayment and sent right back to them in the form of a refund check. The only way to make them pay more is to change the tax code such that they are required to pay more - whether by eliminating loop holes or raising themarginal rate, that's the only thing that can logically get them to pay more.
 
2011-11-17 07:13:35 PM  
I'm glad this thread opened with one of the most ridiculous points to make.
 
2011-11-17 07:36:59 PM  
torch They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like.

Believe it or not there are people who care about somebody other than themselves.
 
2011-11-17 07:38:09 PM  
In Grover's world, government and thuggish warlords are precisely the same thing. That explains a lot about his worldview.
 
2011-11-17 07:45:20 PM  

FireBreathingLiberal: torch They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like.

Believe it or not there are people who care about somebody other than themselves.


yes, and by some mere coincidence, these happen to be the people who don't have jack shiat to their name.
 
2011-11-17 08:08:21 PM  
Nice burn there.
Shame Norquist is too stupid to feel it.
 
2011-11-17 08:31:48 PM  

FireBreathingLiberal: torch They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like.

Believe it or not there are people who care about somebody other than themselves.


They are called Christians, if I recall Sunday School correctly. I remember a flag by the chalk board.
 
2011-11-17 08:36:58 PM  

sinschild: FireBreathingLiberal: torch They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like.

Believe it or not there are people who care about somebody other than themselves.

yes, and by some mere coincidence, these happen to be the people who don't have jack shiat to their name.


If it's only the people that don't have jack shiat to their name that care about somebody other than themselves, that makes the rich selfish by default. Right?
 
2011-11-17 08:42:42 PM  

ultraholland: I'm glad this thread opened with one of the most ridiculous points to make.


Actually it is great, it can be recycled back at them. To their annoyance. Think of any thing they hate that they can just do or not to themselves, and it doesn't have to involve you.
 
2011-11-17 08:45:14 PM  

djkutch: sinschild: FireBreathingLiberal: torch They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like.

Believe it or not there are people who care about somebody other than themselves.

yes, and by some mere coincidence, these happen to be the people who don't have jack shiat to their name.

If it's only the people that don't have jack shiat to their name that care about somebody other than themselves, that makes the rich selfish by default. Right?


Correlation does not imply causation. But nice try.
 
2011-11-17 09:07:28 PM  

sinschild: djkutch: sinschild: FireBreathingLiberal: torch They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like.

Believe it or not there are people who care about somebody other than themselves.

yes, and by some mere coincidence, these happen to be the people who don't have jack shiat to their name.

If it's only the people that don't have jack shiat to their name that care about somebody other than themselves, that makes the rich selfish by default. Right?

Correlation does not imply causation. But nice try.


Sadly, I will enjoy the beating you are about to take.
 
2011-11-17 09:36:03 PM  
 
2011-11-17 09:44:51 PM  
Pretty sad how far downhill HuffPo has gotten since the AOL sale. They more or less agreement with Norquist.
 
2011-11-17 09:59:41 PM  

torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.


Is that like people favouring invading Iraq could have just hopped on a plane and headed over there themselves?
 
2011-11-17 10:19:15 PM  
For all you folks who say that people could pay more if they want. Isn't it also true that you could use less government services. If you think taxes are too high stop using the roads, police, etc.
 
2011-11-17 11:31:54 PM  
As a fiscal conservative and possibly in that top couple percent, I loath this guy and everything he stands for.

If you took his oath/pledge you have no business being in office. To give up your ability to think for yourself and do what is in the best interest of the country so that you could serve this special interest is shameful.

My dream would be for the Republican/Democrat center to stand up and vote every single one of these clowns out of office on principle alone.
 
2011-11-17 11:53:17 PM  
Some day, hopefully, I will awake to the news that Grover Norquist has been found drowned in his bathtub.
 
2011-11-18 12:00:41 AM  

downpaymentblues: torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.

Why do so many people think this passes as a valid argument?


Because they lack the ability to think intelligently, and they have no idea how the tax system actually works, or why this "they can pay more if they want" is unrealistic an senseless bleating.

People who spout this nonsense need a head slap.
 
2011-11-18 12:01:52 AM  

djkutch: FireBreathingLiberal: torch They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like.

Believe it or not there are people who care about somebody other than themselves.

They are called Christians, if I recall Sunday School correctly. I remember a flag by the chalk board.


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If they're Christian's, it's purely coincidence.
 
2011-11-18 12:01:59 AM  
"Somalia doesn't suffer from too little government, it suffers from too much government."

500motivators.com
 
2011-11-18 12:02:10 AM  

downpaymentblues: torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.

Why do so many people think this passes as a valid argument?


Probably the same reason Bush had a 22% final approval rating: 1 in 5 Americans is a Grade-A moron.
 
2011-11-18 12:03:46 AM  

sinschild: FireBreathingLiberal: torch They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like.

Believe it or not there are people who care about somebody other than themselves.

yes, and by some mere coincidence, these happen to be the people who don't have jack shiat to their name.


You mean like the millionaires in the article?
 
2011-11-18 12:04:12 AM  

torch: Cyberluddite: downpaymentblues: torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.

Because government spending expands to consume any revenue increase. And then some, if you hadn't noticed the deficit lately.


You don't remember the Clinton surplus? Maybe you are willfully ignorant.
 
2011-11-18 12:05:10 AM  

torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.


I know. These Republicans need to STFU about Iran and go there and fight for FREEDOM! Nothing is stopping them.
 
2011-11-18 12:09:25 AM  

torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.


General Electric filed a 57,000-page tax return but paid nothing in taxes on $14 billion in profits. GE that seems fair

Yup, seems fair, they just didn't 'feel like' paying any taxes.
 
2011-11-18 12:11:34 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: The US Treasury isn't a charity, and it shouldn't be treated like one.


Everybody else does...
 
2011-11-18 12:15:08 AM  

torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.


Do you really believe that? I mean really?
 
2011-11-18 12:16:08 AM  

djkutch: Boehner throws Norquist under the bus: a random guy (new window)


Yeah, they're finally moving against him. more and more GOP reps are going "Grover Who?"
 
2011-11-18 12:16:29 AM  
Norquist is nothing more that a dollar-worshiper with a soul smaller than a blood-sucking tick.
 
2011-11-18 12:17:33 AM  

ultraholland: I'm glad this thread opened with one of the most ridiculous points to make.


And, after many, many posts in which that desperately stupid busted-ass talking point is repeatedly and thoroughly shredded, it will likely close with a repetition the exact same point.

Stupid is as stupid does.
 
2011-11-18 12:18:47 AM  

Gyrony: Some day, hopefully, I will awake to the news that Grover Norquist has been found drowned in his bathtub.


That would be poetic justice.
 
2011-11-18 12:18:56 AM  

Nadie_AZ:
Good for these guys. Grover was born well off and never had to work a day in his life. He probably thinks he made his wealth all by his little self.


It seems to be a very common thread that seperates the "new rich" from the "old rich".

There was either a Fark link or a link in a Fark thread to a site that listed various politicians and political-minded rich people and their stances on various money-related issues. There was a very strong difference in their opinions, and you could accurately surmise their opinion on how they came into their wealth.
Surprise surprise, the people that weren't born rich had empathy towards the less fortunate.
 
2011-11-18 12:20:00 AM  

fusillade762: "Somalia doesn't suffer from too little government, it suffers from too much government."


Wow. Norquist really said that.

Wow.
 
2011-11-18 12:20:43 AM  

GoldSpider: Sin_City_Superhero: The US Treasury isn't a charity, and it shouldn't be treated like one.

Everybody else does...


Yeah, especially certain Wall Street characters that took their golden parachutes while people who really needed the charity got foreclosed on.
 
2011-11-18 12:21:11 AM  
Some of the points get so retarded these days I can't tell troll from honestly ignorant from the sarcastic anymore.
 
2011-11-18 12:21:48 AM  

torch: They may be millionaires but apparently they're ignorant. There already exists a formal pathway for people to give as much money to Treasury as they like. So STFU and hand over the cash.


And people who believe in cuts could stop using the police, fire department, stop collecting Medicare, using freeways and airports, etc. That would certainly save us all kinds of money. Why don't they just do that?
 
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