When you can bribe politicians, finance their media outlet (MSNBC), spread their propaganda, why would you expect them to pay taxes on profits? Who do you think the own? A republican?

That's not as brilliant as taking advantage of the 2008 economy to decimate their employee health benefits.

And RON PAUL! wants corporations to police themselves when it comes to issues like the environment. Remember folks, if Exxon turns your backyard into an oil spill, Ron Paul wants you to know that when he's president, you can sue them! That will keep them in line.

CLASS WARFARE!

Yea? So?

jj325: That's not as brilliant as taking advantage of the 2008 economy to decimate their employee health benefits.

Or outsourcing their medical imaging gear manufacturing to China.

If we restricted them to three pages, would they finally pay some taxes?

/doubtful

I bet it cost them over $100/page to generate....

GE stock is in the retirement portfolios of most teacher's unions. This is good news for the teachers!

GaryPDX: Yea? So?

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This isn't about teams, dingus. This is about corporate malfeasance and lack of proper governance. It's been happening long before Obama showed up.

sinschild: John Paul Jones: GaryPDX: Yea? So?

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This isn't about teams, dingus. This is about corporate malfeasance and lack of proper governance. It's been happening long before Obama showed up.

Spoken like a true partisan shill. Your idiot in chief is the one currently slobbering their knob, why not man up and say so?

Just yesterday GE stock was ID'd as the most widely held stock by Congress in general.

There's enough dick sucking going on here to sate even the horniest partisan.

John Paul Jones: GaryPDX: Yea? So?

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This isn't about teams, dingus. This is about corporate malfeasance and lack of proper governance. It's been happening long before Obama showed up.

Okay, so you see the trainwreck going on, cool. What is the real battle? Rich versus Poor? or Democrat versus Republican? Looks like a whole lot of divided confusion to me.

/Divide and Conquer

GE is widely known as the world's largest accounting firm.

This is exactly the kind of cr@p that OWS is sick of, and if they could put down their flags, the TP should be pissed about too. They're too busy screaming about the second coming of Stalin to notice that GE's pissing on their lawns too.

The return, which was filed electronically, would have been 19 feet high if printed out and stacked.

I'm sorry, but could you describe this in terms of how far around the equator it would stretch if each page were lain end to end?

sinschild: Marcus Aurelius: sinschild: John Paul Jones: GaryPDX: Yea? So?

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This isn't about teams, dingus. This is about corporate malfeasance and lack of proper governance. It's been happening long before Obama showed up.

Spoken like a true partisan shill. Your idiot in chief is the one currently slobbering their knob, why not man up and say so?

Just yesterday GE stock was ID'd as the most widely held stock by Congress in general.

There's enough dick sucking going on here to sate even the horniest partisan.

True, but I hear the issue does not involve congress or politicians, and that it is limited entirely to the corporations making the payment, not the scum feeding from the trough.

Unless of course OWeS has it all wrong?

Congress makes the rules, Mo. The corporations only provide the bribes.

Marcus Aurelius: Congress makes the rules, Mo. The corporations only provide the bribes.

Oh now, be fair. So do Unions and people like Soros.

I ask again, is this about Rich/Poor? Or about Teams?

GaryPDX: Marcus Aurelius: Congress makes the rules, Mo. The corporations only provide the bribes.

Oh now, be fair. So do Unions and people like Soros.

I ask again, is this about Rich/Poor? Or about Teams?

I'm not sure how anyone with more than three functioning brain cells could decide that one of our two parties is "good" and the other one is "bad".

I think what would be interesting is to examine the amount of money fed to Congress by income level and net worth. I'd wager that the top 1% feed their Congresscritters a lot more bribes than the bottom 70%. And rich .vs. poor is soooo last millenium, considering that the poor now have flat screen TVs and cell phones. It's more of a... what? 1% versus the other... umm... what's 100 minus1 again?

sinschild: GaryPDX: Marcus Aurelius: Congress makes the rules, Mo. The corporations only provide the bribes.

Oh now, be fair. So do Unions and people like Soros.

I ask again, is this about Rich/Poor? Or about Teams?

It's not about rich/poor or teams. It's about violating common decency by selling your influence to the highest bidder when you are elected to serve the will of your constituents.

Well? Both sides are guilty of that. Let me ask you this..What do you define as "constituents"? Would those be Team "Constituents"? Or the whole of his District? That's an important distinction.

Look, everyone hates corruption no matter who does it, but!, the message needs to be far more concise. All Democrats are not corrupt and neither are all Republicans. That kinda changes the game field, dontcha think?

GaryPDX: sinschild: GaryPDX: Marcus Aurelius: Congress makes the rules, Mo. The corporations only provide the bribes.

Oh now, be fair. So do Unions and people like Soros.

I ask again, is this about Rich/Poor? Or about Teams?

It's not about rich/poor or teams. It's about violating common decency by selling your influence to the highest bidder when you are elected to serve the will of your constituents.

Well? Both sides are guilty of that. Let me ask you this..What do you define as "constituents"? Would those be Team "Constituents"? Or the whole of his District? That's an important distinction.

Look, everyone hates corruption no matter who does it, but!, the message needs to be far more concise. All Democrats are not corrupt and neither are all Republicans. That kinda changes the game field, dontcha think?

Once a politician makes it to DC they are by definition "corrupt". They exchange money for access.

Marcus Aurelius: I think what would be interesting is to examine the amount of money fed to Congress by income level and net worth. I'd wager that the top 1% feed their Congresscritters a lot more bribes than the bottom 70%. And rich .vs. poor is soooo last millenium, considering that the poor now have flat screen TVs and cell phones. It's more of a... what? 1% versus the other... umm... what's 100 minus1 again?

If you assume 99% of the public is OWS, that's a 50/50 split Republicans and Democrats.

GaryPDX: Marcus Aurelius: I think what would be interesting is to examine the amount of money fed to Congress by income level and net worth. I'd wager that the top 1% feed their Congresscritters a lot more bribes than the bottom 70%. And rich .vs. poor is soooo last millenium, considering that the poor now have flat screen TVs and cell phones. It's more of a... what? 1% versus the other... umm... what's 100 minus1 again?

If you assume 99% of the public is OWS, that's a 50/50 split Republicans and Democrats.

In a two party system it will always be 50-50 or 49-51 or 51-49. A country cannot have it any other way and still maintain a two party system. That's why the GOP raises issues like abortion and gay marriage and the Jesus. Without those issues, they would descend into a deep minority position, and for a two party system, that would be a dangerous place to be. Neither side wants that. So 50-50 it is.

Marcus Aurelius: That's why the GOP raises issues like abortion and gay marriage and the Jesus.

So, it really is about teams.

sinschild: GaryPDX: Or the whole of his District? That's an important distinction.

The whole of the district who cared enough to either vote for or against that politician would be my definition. You are not only elected to represent the people who voted for you, but the people who opposed you as well.

That's the idea..:) Not always the practice.

GaryPDX: Marcus Aurelius: That's why the GOP raises issues like abortion and gay marriage and the Jesus.

So, it really is about teams.

No, no, no. My point is that in a two party system your "team" is irrelevant. The entire idea of choosing a "team" within a two party system is primitively inane.

The only thing that matters is how many congressmen you can afford. Doesn't matter what letters they've got after their names, as long as you own some. Prior to the 2008 elections, bribes were 2-1 in favor of the (D) side. In 2010 it shifted to the (R) side. The people with the money know which way the wind is blowing, so it doesn't matter which side is in power. They'll still get what they want, because they've bribed the most congressmen on that side.

Marcus Aurelius: No, no, no. My point is that in a two party system your "team" is irrelevant. The entire idea of choosing a "team" within a two party system is primitively inane.

Okay, I gotcha. But I quoted the above to emphasize it's not inane, it's divisive and destructive.

GaryPDX: Okay, I gotcha. But I quoted the above to emphasize it's not inane, it's divisive and destructive.

Yet your Weeners was to post that pic, basically saying "Hey, see? It's Obama's fault", which is an intellectually dishonest argument at the very least. So who's being divisive and destructive? Who's putting party before country there, Gary?

sinschild: GaryPDX: sinschild: GaryPDX: Or the whole of his District? That's an important distinction.

The whole of the district who cared enough to either vote for or against that politician would be my definition. You are not only elected to represent the people who voted for you, but the people who opposed you as well.

That's the idea..:) Not always the practice.

And it will not be the practice again until there are consequences for being a whore to the highest bidder. Replacing them in office is a start, but not nearly enough as they just go to work for the same people who paid them to start with.

I am thinking 20 to life for any bribe? Should be death penalty material honestly, but I won't be greedy.

What's funny is we have plenty of laws governing fraud and corruption. The breakdown is having a DA willing to prosecute regardless of team. Ya know, our first President called them "Factions" and warned us against them. Good word, "Factions".

John Paul Jones: GaryPDX: Okay, I gotcha. But I quoted the above to emphasize it's not inane, it's divisive and destructive.

Yet your Weeners was to post that pic, basically saying "Hey, see? It's Obama's fault", which is an intellectually dishonest argument at the very least. So who's being divisive and destructive? Who's putting party before country there, Gary?

Not at all, I did it show the cross confusion. And I never showed my Weener once..:)

GaryPDX: Marcus Aurelius: No, no, no. My point is that in a two party system your "team" is irrelevant. The entire idea of choosing a "team" within a two party system is primitively inane.

Okay, I gotcha. But I quoted the above to emphasize it's not inane, it's divisive and destructive.

It is designed from the ground up to be divisive and destructive. That is the only way a narrow two party system can survive. The reason it's so stable is that it can only be destroyed if both parties split simultaneously, and that has never happened in this country. But it is interesting to examine the splits - Republicans during the repeal of Prohibition, for example, or the Ross Perot phenomenon, or Teddy's Bull Moose.

John Paul Jones: GaryPDX: Okay, I gotcha. But I quoted the above to emphasize it's not inane, it's divisive and destructive.

Yet your Weeners was to post that pic, basically saying "Hey, see? It's Obama's fault", which is an intellectually dishonest argument at the very least. So who's being divisive and destructive? Who's putting party before country there, Gary?

Nixon?

Marcus Aurelius: GaryPDX: Marcus Aurelius: No, no, no. My point is that in a two party system your "team" is irrelevant. The entire idea of choosing a "team" within a two party system is primitively inane.

Okay, I gotcha. But I quoted the above to emphasize it's not inane, it's divisive and destructive.

It is designed from the ground up to be divisive and destructive. That is the only way a narrow two party system can survive. The reason it's so stable is that it can only be destroyed if both parties split simultaneously, and that has never happened in this country. But it is interesting to examine the splits - Republicans during the repeal of Prohibition, for example, or the Ross Perot phenomenon, or Teddy's Bull Moose.

Dude, it's been this way since 1865. Nobody is going to go hard left so what we got left is is co-operation as difficult as that may be. Otherwise, we got a second Civil War. But one thing I think both of us can agree upon is this current shiat has to change.

I say let everything crash, the bad players (regardless of Faction) will be washed away and we'll pick up the pieces and move on.

GaryPDX: Marcus Aurelius: GaryPDX: Marcus Aurelius: No, no, no. My point is that in a two party system your "team" is irrelevant. The entire idea of choosing a "team" within a two party system is primitively inane.

Okay, I gotcha. But I quoted the above to emphasize it's not inane, it's divisive and destructive.

It is designed from the ground up to be divisive and destructive. That is the only way a narrow two party system can survive. The reason it's so stable is that it can only be destroyed if both parties split simultaneously, and that has never happened in this country. But it is interesting to examine the splits - Republicans during the repeal of Prohibition, for example, or the Ross Perot phenomenon, or Teddy's Bull Moose.

Dude, it's been this way since 1865. Nobody is going to go hard left so what we got left is is co-operation as difficult as that may be. Otherwise, we got a second Civil War. But one thing I think both of us can agree upon is this current shiat has to change.

I say let everything crash, the bad players (regardless of Faction) will be washed away and we'll pick up the pieces and move on.

Apathy is the devil's phone booth.

Act locally. Start by discovering which school board candidates and county politicians are crazy and which ones aren't. Move on to your local congressman. I almost helped defeat Jim Gerlach back in 2006, but our white knight knew the wind was blowing (R) that year. Since then the (D) hasn't fielded a saner candidate, which is a shame.

The biggest casualty of our political system are the good people that won't run, because running means rolling around in shiat.

Which is a shame.

Marcus Aurelius: Act locally. Start by discovering which school board candidates and county politicians are crazy and which ones aren't. Move on to your local congressman. I almost helped defeat Jim Gerlach back in 2006, but our white knight knew the wind was blowing (R) that year. Since then the (D) hasn't fielded a saner candidate, which is a shame.

Okay, again. Which is the correct fight, Teams? or Rich/Poor? If it's Rich/Poor, we need to flush the whole system, bankrupt these corrupt clowns.

Marcus Aurelius: The biggest casualty of our political system are the good people that won't run, because running means rolling around in shiat.

Which is a shame.

Marcus Aurelius: The biggest casualty of our political system are the good people that won't run, because running means rolling around in shiat.

Which is a shame.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmond Burke

BroVinny: muck4doo: Bush! Haliburton! So STFU Rethuglicans!

Are you of the school of thought that wrongdoing by the opposing party excuses wrongdoing by your party?

I think we should totally meme the word "Party" and call a toad a toad. It's a "Faction".

Faction,Faction,Faction,Faction,Faction,Faction,Faction,Faction,Facti o n,

We need to totally meme this out. A "Party" sounds fun and exciting. A "Faction" is more gloomy and accurate.

GaryPDX: Marcus Aurelius: Act locally. Start by discovering which school board candidates and county politicians are crazy and which ones aren't. Move on to your local congressman. I almost helped defeat Jim Gerlach back in 2006, but our white knight knew the wind was blowing (R) that year. Since then the (D) hasn't fielded a saner candidate, which is a shame.

Okay, again. Which is the correct fight, Teams? or Rich/Poor? If it's Rich/Poor, we need to flush the whole system, bankrupt these corrupt clowns.

If by "teams" you mean picking (R) versus (D), I have already stated that the choice is meaningless. Who signed the repeal of Glass Steagle? Bill Clinton (D). Who sponsored the Digital Millenium Copyright Act? Joe Biden (D).

And these are socialists?

These are the FREAKING OPPOSITION?

The distinction is meaningless.

The only thing that matters is how many congressman and senators you can buy. And you also need to out-buy the opposition, which is what makes social issues so rich for the pickings.