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2011-11-17 11:55:32 AM
I have one of these. Cigs are much cheaper, burn longer, and lack the additives of commercial cigarettes.
 
2011-11-17 12:10:17 PM
simplicimus: have one of these. Cigs are much cheaper, burn longer, and lack the additives of commercial cigarettes.

Mind sharing the brand you bought, and how you like it?
 
2011-11-17 12:22:09 PM
Eddy Gurge: simplicimus: have one of these. Cigs are much cheaper, burn longer, and lack the additives of commercial cigarettes.

Mind sharing the brand you bought, and how you like it?


Sure. It is a "tube cut cigarette machine". that's really the name. You buy the machine, tobacco of your choice, and cigarette tubes (hollow cigarettes) in your choice of length. The tube fits over a filler tube, tobacco goes in the top. You pack the tobacco as densely as you want, pull a lever,and out comes a cigarette.
 
2011-11-17 12:56:47 PM
simplicimus: Eddy Gurge: simplicimus: have one of these. Cigs are much cheaper, burn longer, and lack the additives of commercial cigarettes.

Mind sharing the brand you bought, and how you like it?

Sure. It is a "tube cut cigarette machine". that's really the name. You buy the machine, tobacco of your choice, and cigarette tubes (hollow cigarettes) in your choice of length. The tube fits over a filler tube, tobacco goes in the top. You pack the tobacco as densely as you want, pull a lever,and out comes a cigarette.


At the tail end of my time as a smoker, I had one.of those. Big savings indeed. Only trick is exactly how tight you pack it. Too loose and it burns like crap. Too tight and it burns like crap (or explodes when you slide it in). Takes a little while to get the feel for the right amount.
 
2011-11-17 12:58:35 PM
Eddy Gurge: Mind sharing the brand you bought, and how you like it?

I use a Premier Supermatic 2. It's alright. If you're serious about rolling your own you might want a Powermatic 2. My boss loans me his Powermatic machine sometimes so I can make a carton of smokes in an evening.
There is an auger style electric machine that looks good on the surface, but it jams after about making 20 cigarettes. This is no good if you sit and make up your smokes for the week in one evening. My friends got rid of theirs in favor of a manual machine like mine.
If you ever got into making your own know that you will wreck about 20 or so tubes in the beginning as you figure out how much tobacco to put into the machine for each cigarette, and even then you can still pack a cigarette too tight to smoke.
I used to smoke The Good Stuff gold blend, but it's a little harsh. I'd add a little bit of Criss Cross smooth to negate the harshness. I have found Smokin' G, and I like their MLT blend. It tastes good, no after-taste, and it's not harsh at all. These are 'smooth' pipe tobacco's, AKA 'dual-purpose' tobacco. It's a longer cut, but it injects into a tube just fine.

You have to experiment with different tobaccos and tubes, and there are a bunch out there. Some folks don't like the Premier brand tubes because they taste a little 'paper-y.' I like them OK. I am trying Zen brand tubes at the moment and I like them.

It's also a little messy. You get tobacco all over your desk or table. I lay out some newspaper to make cleaning up easier.

I'm coming in at about $1.10 to $1.50 a pack by making my own.
 
2011-11-17 01:01:36 PM
skammie: These are 'smooth' pipe tobacco's, AKA 'dual-purpose' tobacco. It's a longer cut, but it injects into a tube just fine.

And the 'pipe' tobacco is

A) cheaper (less tax)
B) can be ordered on the internet and shipped to your house. There are laws in place that prevent merchants from shipping cigarette tobacco to you.
 
2011-11-17 01:06:15 PM
nekom: simplicimus: Eddy Gurge: simplicimus: have one of these. Cigs are much cheaper, burn longer, and lack the additives of commercial cigarettes.

Mind sharing the brand you bought, and how you like it?

Sure. It is a "tube cut cigarette machine". that's really the name. You buy the machine, tobacco of your choice, and cigarette tubes (hollow cigarettes) in your choice of length. The tube fits over a filler tube, tobacco goes in the top. You pack the tobacco as densely as you want, pull a lever,and out comes a cigarette.

At the tail end of my time as a smoker, I had one.of those. Big savings indeed. Only trick is exactly how tight you pack it. Too loose and it burns like crap. Too tight and it burns like crap (or explodes when you slide it in). Takes a little while to get the feel for the right amount.



Me too before I quit smoking. Much cheaper, but you're still loading your lungs with crap. I switched to Swedish snus and haven't looked back. Sure you look like a chipmunk using it, but it beats lung cancer. It's important to get Swedish Snus, not American as the Swedes treat Snus as a food product. It's basically only cured with water and salt, no chemical additives.
 
2011-11-17 01:20:23 PM
dopeydwarf: Me too before I quit smoking. Much cheaper, but you're still loading your lungs with crap. I switched to Swedish snus and haven't looked back. Sure you look like a chipmunk using it, but it beats lung cancer. It's important to get Swedish Snus, not American as the Swedes treat Snus as a food product. It's basically only cured with water and salt, no chemical additives.

Oh sure it's no better for you than store bought cigarettes, just cheaper. I quit shortly before my daughter was born, never looked back though I do still enjoy a cigar once in awhile. Never tried chewing any tobacco products, but my friend's grandfather used to cure his own. He used some particular kind of whiskey and oranges. I don't think it's common these days for anyone to cure their own backy though.
 
2011-11-17 01:22:29 PM
dopeydwarf: nekom: simplicimus: Eddy Gurge: simplicimus: have one of these. Cigs are much cheaper, burn longer, and lack the additives of commercial cigarettes.

Mind sharing the brand you bought, and how you like it?

Sure. It is a "tube cut cigarette machine". that's really the name. You buy the machine, tobacco of your choice, and cigarette tubes (hollow cigarettes) in your choice of length. The tube fits over a filler tube, tobacco goes in the top. You pack the tobacco as densely as you want, pull a lever,and out comes a cigarette.

At the tail end of my time as a smoker, I had one.of those. Big savings indeed. Only trick is exactly how tight you pack it. Too loose and it burns like crap. Too tight and it burns like crap (or explodes when you slide it in). Takes a little while to get the feel for the right amount.


Me too before I quit smoking. Much cheaper, but you're still loading your lungs with crap. I switched to Swedish snus and haven't looked back. Sure you look like a chipmunk using it, but it beats lung cancer. It's important to get Swedish Snus, not American as the Swedes treat Snus as a food product. It's basically only cured with water and salt, no chemical additives.


You're loading your lungs with fewer chemicals, for what it's worth.
 
2011-11-17 01:26:20 PM
simplicimus: You're loading your lungs with fewer chemicals, for what it's worth.

Is that really true? I'm well aware that the tobacco companies put a lot of additives in their cigarettes, but don't they put the same crap in their bags of tobacco?
 
2011-11-17 01:33:46 PM
nekom: simplicimus: You're loading your lungs with fewer chemicals, for what it's worth.

Is that really true? I'm well aware that the tobacco companies put a lot of additives in their cigarettes, but don't they put the same crap in their bags of tobacco?


Well, the lack on gunpowder is self evident. My handmade cigs burn a lot slower. As far as formaldehyde and the rest, I'd have to check the website to see what goes into their "pipe" tobacco.
 
2011-11-17 02:16:54 PM
(or explodes when you slide it in)

Giggity.
 
2011-11-17 02:32:17 PM
nekom: dopeydwarf: Me too before I quit smoking. Much cheaper, but you're still loading your lungs with crap. I switched to Swedish snus and haven't looked back. Sure you look like a chipmunk using it, but it beats lung cancer. It's important to get Swedish Snus, not American as the Swedes treat Snus as a food product. It's basically only cured with water and salt, no chemical additives.

Oh sure it's no better for you than store bought cigarettes, just cheaper. I quit shortly before my daughter was born, never looked back though I do still enjoy a cigar once in awhile. Never tried chewing any tobacco products, but my friend's grandfather used to cure his own. He used some particular kind of whiskey and oranges. I don't think it's common these days for anyone to cure their own backy though.



Still enjoy a good cigar sometimes too. Something about the smell of burning quality tobacco is still intoxicating to me.
 
2011-11-17 02:35:53 PM
Rolled my own through college. It saved me a lot of money those lean years.

Used a Rizza belt machine. Open a clamshell, place a free filter at one end of the belt, fill the rest of the belt up with tobacco, lick a standard paper and place the dry end across the belt, close clamshell, finished cig pops out the top. American Sperit Yellow was about $10 for a carton of tobacco and another 2 for filters (~2000).
 
2011-11-17 02:38:32 PM
Saiga410: Rolled my own through college. It saved me a lot of money those lean years.

Used a Rizza belt machine. Open a clamshell, place a free filter at one end of the belt, fill the rest of the belt up with tobacco, lick a standard paper and place the dry end across the belt, close clamshell, finished cig pops out the top. American Sperit Yellow was about $10 for a carton of tobacco and another 2 for filters (~2000).


I used something like that in college. Didn't think of using it for tobacco, however.
 
2011-11-17 02:46:33 PM
dopeydwarf: Still enjoy a good cigar sometimes too. Something about the smell of burning quality tobacco is still intoxicating to me.

I enjoy the smell of pipe tobacco as well but I tried smoking a pipe, never really got into it. I think a lot of that's from flavor/aroma additives, not really a pure tobacco smell. A good cigar on the porch on a nice summer evening though, well that's one of life's little pleasures.
 
2011-11-17 02:52:47 PM
A woman is just a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke.
 
2011-11-17 03:05:32 PM
The loose tobacco prices here doubled overnight a few years back.

It's still cheaper, but cost + annoyance, not so much anymore.

Although if I could find Parliament-style recessed filters for roll-your-owns I'd probably switch in a heartbeat.

/what can I say, I like the recessed filter
 
2011-11-17 03:15:54 PM
It cracks me up that District 2 Councilor Philip P. Palmieri thinks he can get these banned as a "public health hazard". They'd have to ban all tobacco for the same reason, and good luck with that. RJR or Phillip Morris might just have Mr Palmieri "removed" from the equation.
 
2011-11-17 03:18:54 PM
Paying $20-$25 a carton for Marlboros here so cost isn't a problem, but I'm wondering if anyone has made it through the airport with a batch of 'roll your own'?
/probably going state side again in December.
/been rolling my own for years, just never wasted a paper on tobbacco.
 
2011-11-17 03:20:09 PM
Costs me less than a buck a pack to make my own. Roll a pack a day + a few extras. Takes about 15 minutes at most for a pack and that is while I watch tv. For 20 bucks I can get 3 cartons of tubes and a 16oz back of tobacco. Last me 3 weeks depending on if I am drinking a lot or not. Very cost effective.
 
2011-11-17 03:24:18 PM
Hell. The very first thing Obama did when he got office was raise the tax of RYO from $1 a pound to $25 a pound. All keeping of his campaign promise not to raise taxes for anyone making less than 250K.

Source: Link (new window)
 
2011-11-17 03:26:02 PM
If you want cigarettes with fewer additives, get women's cigarettes. The fillers clog them so they can't put fillers in them.

FWIW, a carton of commercial cigarettes has about a pound of tobacco in it.

/used to work in an oversized spittoon.
 
2011-11-17 03:37:41 PM
Boatmech: Paying $20-$25 a carton for Marlboros

WTF I need to get out of Chicago
/New Yorkers have it even worst
 
2011-11-17 03:42:29 PM
drjekel_mrhyde: Boatmech: Paying $20-$25 a carton for Marlboros

WTF I need to get out of Chicago
/New Yorkers have it even worst


Just make friends with someone in the military who goes on the base often, they can get you cheap cartons from the PX.
 
2011-11-17 04:12:07 PM
drjekel_mrhyde: Boatmech: Paying $20-$25 a carton for Marlboros

WTF I need to get out of Chicago
/New Yorkers have it even worst



Just another day in (Americas) Paradise tm.

CSB - the day I got off the plane BEER was $1 a bottle or $5 for a cold six-pack. Bottled water was $1.25 for a 20 oz bottle.
 
2011-11-17 04:12:22 PM
I have a few friends that do this and the cigarettes are ROUGH. I'm a Camel/Marlboro smoker but their hand rolled cigs make me feel like my chest is caving in. I can't only get like halfway through one before I'm tossing it. Don't know if it's just their brand but GD are they strong.
 
2011-11-17 04:19:44 PM
dopeydwarf: nekom: dopeydwarf: Me too before I quit smoking. Much cheaper, but you're still loading your lungs with crap. I switched to Swedish snus and haven't looked back. Sure you look like a chipmunk using it, but it beats lung cancer. It's important to get Swedish Snus, not American as the Swedes treat Snus as a food product. It's basically only cured with water and salt, no chemical additives.

Oh sure it's no better for you than store bought cigarettes, just cheaper. I quit shortly before my daughter was born, never looked back though I do still enjoy a cigar once in awhile. Never tried chewing any tobacco products, but my friend's grandfather used to cure his own. He used some particular kind of whiskey and oranges. I don't think it's common these days for anyone to cure their own backy though.


Still enjoy a good cigar sometimes too. Something about the smell of burning quality tobacco is still intoxicating to me.


Nothing smells better than a Cigar shop or a Coffee Shop
 
2011-11-17 04:22:24 PM
Right before I stopped smoking altogether I started rolling my own cigs. I never had one of the machines, just a pack of papers and a pouch of tobacco, and yeah, WAY cheaper than buying prepackaged ones. It was also always good for a laugh when my seargent would see me out in the smoke pit rolling up a smoke and ask me what the hell I was doing.
 
2011-11-17 04:29:33 PM
Nemo's Brother: dopeydwarf: nekom: dopeydwarf:

Nothing smells better than a Cigar shop or a Coffee Shop



Old San Juan
Standing on the fortress wall
At dawn the little shops open
The old woman sweeps
the sleep from our eyes
 
2011-11-17 04:36:56 PM
Nemo's Brother: dopeydwarf: nekom: dopeydwarf: Me too before I quit smoking. Much cheaper, but you're still loading your lungs with crap. I switched to Swedish snus and haven't looked back. Sure you look like a chipmunk using it, but it beats lung cancer. It's important to get Swedish Snus, not American as the Swedes treat Snus as a food product. It's basically only cured with water and salt, no chemical additives.

Oh sure it's no better for you than store bought cigarettes, just cheaper. I quit shortly before my daughter was born, never looked back though I do still enjoy a cigar once in awhile. Never tried chewing any tobacco products, but my friend's grandfather used to cure his own. He used some particular kind of whiskey and oranges. I don't think it's common these days for anyone to cure their own backy though.


Still enjoy a good cigar sometimes too. Something about the smell of burning quality tobacco is still intoxicating to me.

Nothing smells better than a Cigar shop or a Coffee Shop


Somehow your post reminded me of a donut shop I used to go to when I was in University (Buckeye Donuts on High Street in Columbus, Ohio, FWIW). Always filled with the smell of tobacco smoke, stale cooking oil, and coffee. I used to spend a lot of time studying there, and to this day the smell of tobacco smoke makes me want to eat a donut and read something.

/CSB
 
2011-11-17 04:45:14 PM
Or the risk that you'll be smoking a fine hand-rolled cig on the corner, and a cop will come along and tase you and grab your "drugs."
 
2011-11-17 04:57:11 PM
dopeydwarf: Sure you look like a chipmunk using it, but it beats lung cancer.

Yeah, jaw and mouth cancer is so much better.
 
2011-11-17 05:19:46 PM
electroniccigaretteinformation.org

Tobacco free for 2 years. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
2011-11-17 05:35:29 PM
Boatmech: Old San Juan
Standing on the fortress wall
At dawn the little shops open
The old woman sweeps
the sleep from our eyes


I used to go there on business a lot...always liked it. Is it still mellow down there?
 
2011-11-17 06:17:06 PM
i291.photobucket.com

Could you, um... roll me one of those, cowboy?
 
2011-11-17 06:56:29 PM
If one "rolls their own" why the fark do you need a machine??

/DNRTFA
 
2011-11-17 07:01:22 PM
nekom: simplicimus: Eddy Gurge: simplicimus: have one of these. Cigs are much cheaper, burn longer, and lack the additives of commercial cigarettes.

Mind sharing the brand you bought, and how you like it?

Sure. It is a "tube cut cigarette machine". that's really the name. You buy the machine, tobacco of your choice, and cigarette tubes (hollow cigarettes) in your choice of length. The tube fits over a filler tube, tobacco goes in the top. You pack the tobacco as densely as you want, pull a lever,and out comes a cigarette.

At the tail end of my time as a smoker, I had one.of those. Big savings indeed. Only trick is exactly how tight you pack it. Too loose and it burns like crap. Too tight and it burns like crap (or explodes when you slide it in). Takes a little while to get the feel for the right amount.


I've been rolling my own for a couple years. I like rolling them loosely. Sure it burns fast, but that's all right. I have to actually focus on smoking if I'm having one. I'm trying to quit, so I gave away my rolling machine. Now I roll them one at a time with a little hand-held thing. I now just need to break the habit of buying a pack when I'm short on time and start going without. Little steps, I'll be quitted soon I imagine. More pressing matters at present moment.
 
2011-11-17 07:26:32 PM
Kar98: dopeydwarf: Sure you look like a chipmunk using it, but it beats lung cancer.

Yeah, jaw and mouth cancer is so much better.



You can still get oral cancer from smoking as well and the risk is higher. As I said, Swedish snus isn't treated with traditional chemicals such as those used in snuff and isn't burned but rather steam cured. You have a higher chance of getting oral cancer from drinking beer or liquor than using Swedish snus.

Here, educate yourself.
 
2011-11-17 08:26:31 PM
 
2011-11-17 10:52:03 PM
Hate to break it to you, Mr. Randroid Tardmitter, but rolling your own cigarette IS worse for your health. It doesn't have a filter.
 
2011-11-17 10:58:03 PM
farking coonts......
 
2011-11-17 11:04:02 PM
colithian: Hate to break it to you, Mr. Randroid Tardmitter, but rolling your own cigarette IS worse for your health. It doesn't have a filter.

Mine do, comes with the cigarette tubes.
 
2011-11-17 11:06:40 PM
colithian: Hate to break it to you, Mr. Randroid Tardmitter, but rolling your own cigarette IS worse for your health. It doesn't have a filter.

Yes, they do Link (new window)
 
2011-11-17 11:10:12 PM
If enough people stopped smoking we could watch the state scramble to over tax something else they though had inflexible demand.

I know, lets levy a shoe tax. Everyone needs shoes, so why not smack a 500% tax on them.

/Like the declining quality isn't a 500% tax already
 
2011-11-17 11:41:28 PM
i love how politicos will print pictures of lung disease on cigarettes but NEVER consider actually making them illegal even though they kill millions of people;

but are quick to jump on any drug the FDA wasn't paid off to approve
if even ONE person happens to die using it.


not only is your democracy a farcical lie
they're happy to kill you while taking your money

/bye bye American pie
//hope you had fun at the top!


; )
 
2011-11-18 12:54:47 AM
Smoking is a dirty and flithy habit, that is why I only inject pure natural heroine into my veins.
 
2011-11-18 01:16:20 AM
davynelson: i love how politicos will print pictures of lung disease on cigarettes but NEVER consider actually making them illegal even though they kill millions of people

How about people stop trying to outlaw plants?


/Educate people and then let adults make their own decision
 
2011-11-18 01:52:55 AM
I usually smoke cigars, but I sometimes roll my own (old-school, "cowboy" style) with burley tobacco. Yes, I also drink bourbon neat, butcher my own meat, and bang my wife in any room of the house.
 
2011-11-18 06:19:49 AM
there are rolling machines??

Yup, I'm not up on my smoking knowledge, but everyone I've ever seen who rolls their own (and yes, living in the UK, I know a lot of people who do) actually rolls their own. With little tiny filters, if they want them, and everything.

Guess I understand it though. The machines I assume produce a standard cigarette look alike. And I know in the states that if you walk around actually rolling your own and smoking them, someone or somecop is going to try to pull you up for smoking pot.
 
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