It's just "G" now, Jack. I sold the E, to Samsung.

/ It's Samesung now.

Make it a rhombus

I can't tell any difference from that tiny picture they used

zez: I can't tell any difference from that tiny picture they used

zez: I can't tell any difference from that tiny picture they used

zez: I can't tell any difference from that tiny picture they used

Top one is the new design. The little slightly thicker sections of the edge on either end are new.

zez: I can't tell any difference from that tiny picture they used

Samsung must have the most incompetent lawyers on earth.

tomcatadam: Samsung must have the most incompetent lawyers on earth.

Perhaps, or perhaps there wasn't much they could do about it. They held the two pads up in court and even they couldn't tell the difference between them.

Granted, if the only similarity is physical form from the front, I feel like the whole thing is a bit silly. But the law is what it is.

LasersHurt: tomcatadam: Samsung must have the most incompetent lawyers on earth.

Perhaps, or perhaps there wasn't much they could do about it. They held the two pads up in court and even they couldn't tell the difference between them.

Granted, if the only similarity is physical form from the front, I feel like the whole thing is a bit silly. But the law is what it is.

So all computer monitors and TVs are breaking Apples patant on the design too? I mean they all have the look of an Apple iPad 2. Black boarder and a screen in the middle?

LasersHurt: tomcatadam: Samsung must have the most incompetent lawyers on earth.

Perhaps, or perhaps there wasn't much they could do about it. They held the two pads up in court and even they couldn't tell the difference between them.

Granted, if the only similarity is physical form from the front, I feel like the whole thing is a bit silly. But the law is what it is.

In defense of Samsung's lawyers - would YOU dare try to identify your client's tablet, in open court, with even the slightest possibility you get it wrong and instantly lose your case? It was kind of a set up on the judge's part.

That being said, the Tab has slightly different dimensions than the iPad - so I'm surprised that a different edge design would cover it (especially since pat of the copying claim included the interface/icons too).

yves0010: LasersHurt: tomcatadam: Samsung must have the most incompetent lawyers on earth.

Perhaps, or perhaps there wasn't much they could do about it. They held the two pads up in court and even they couldn't tell the difference between them.

Granted, if the only similarity is physical form from the front, I feel like the whole thing is a bit silly. But the law is what it is.

So all computer monitors and TVs are breaking Apples patant on the design too? I mean they all have the look of an Apple iPad 2. Black boarder and a screen in the middle?


Are they the same size as an iPad? Have the same touch interface, with icons that looks the same? No? Then that's a stupid comparison.

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: LasersHurt: tomcatadam: Samsung must have the most incompetent lawyers on earth.

Perhaps, or perhaps there wasn't much they could do about it. They held the two pads up in court and even they couldn't tell the difference between them.

Granted, if the only similarity is physical form from the front, I feel like the whole thing is a bit silly. But the law is what it is.

In defense of Samsung's lawyers - would YOU dare try to identify your client's tablet, in open court, with even the slightest possibility you get it wrong and instantly lose your case? It was kind of a set up on the judge's part.

That being said, the Tab has slightly different dimensions than the iPad - so I'm surprised that a different edge design would cover it (especially since pat of the copying claim included the interface/icons too).

True, I wouldn't have taken a guess. But I think the judges were willing to overlook a lot, like the UI stuff, but it was the combination of that with the physical form that pushed them to rule in Apple's favor. Maybe it really only needed a small tweak.

bhcompy: Make it a rhombus

That's just the kind of rectangle a biatch would make.

Derigiberble: [i.imgur.com image 290x392]

Top one is the new design. The little slightly thicker sections of the edge on either end are new.

If that's what they had to do to make Apple happy, Apple should have kept their butthurt to themselves in the first place.

LasersHurt: Granted, if the only similarity is physical form from the front, I feel like the whole thing is a bit silly. But the law is what it is.

3-dimensions, actually.

yves0010: So all computer monitors and TVs are breaking Apples patant on the design too?

Nope, see above.

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: yves0010: LasersHurt: tomcatadam: Samsung must have the most incompetent lawyers on earth.

Perhaps, or perhaps there wasn't much they could do about it. They held the two pads up in court and even they couldn't tell the difference between them.

Granted, if the only similarity is physical form from the front, I feel like the whole thing is a bit silly. But the law is what it is.

So all computer monitors and TVs are breaking Apples patant on the design too? I mean they all have the look of an Apple iPad 2. Black boarder and a screen in the middle?


Are they the same size as an iPad? Have the same touch interface, with icons that looks the same? No? Then that's a stupid comparison.

Im being sarcastic... I know that there are more things out there that predate Apples iPad stuff that Apple could of lifted in the design aspect. Heck, they stole the OS code for I believe the original iOS from Xerox.

Wow..it's like products go through some sort of life/design cycle...with each iteration improving on the last version....huh, who'd of thunk?

/Stop comparing first generation things from 10 year ago to 7th (or so??) generation technology from 6 months ago.
// It only serves to show how stupid you are.
///here's a fun fact....the 2011 Toyota Camry has more horsepower (268) than the 1985 BMW M5 (256)....

My Previous post was directed to: Oakenshield...his quote got accidentally deleted in the previous post.

the_sidewinder: And RISC instead of CISC

mrtoadswildride: Wow..it's like products go through some sort of life/design cycle...with each iteration improving on the last version....huh, who'd of thunk?

Really, though? You don't believe that the iPad's design had any influence on HTC, HP, and Samsung?

the_sidewinder: Discontinued in 2005:

the_sidewinder: Theaetetus: the_sidewinder: Discontinued in 2005:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x188]

[zapp4.staticworld.net image 606x606]

Oakenshield: [osxdaily.com image 580x812]

How about Nope?

Go back and look at the coverage of tablets from CES 2010. Many had very ipad like designs weeks before the ipad was even announced.

the_sidewinder: Oakenshield: [osxdaily.com image 580x812]

Stupid picture is stupid

Discontinued in 2005:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]

Another good find:
[www.tabletkiosk.com image 449x323]


Biggest difference between now and then? Tablets were business oriented, hence the rugged design and large handles on your examples. Now most Tablets are consumer oriented


/Also more touchy, less stylus
//And RISC instead of CISC

Not to mention, the "before iPad" tablets are still produced today.

It's almost as if different market segments call for different approaches to design.

Before iPad




After iPad

Mentat: So Steve Jobs has patented the rectangle?

No, he invented the rectangle.

Apple has become 10 times the beast Microsoft ever was.

Unfortunately, there is no "S" in Apple that can cleverly be transcribed as "$".

So they must not be evil, right?

the_sidewinder: H31N0US: Apple has become 10 times the beast Microsoft ever was.

Unfortunately, there is no "S" in Apple that can cleverly be transcribed as "$".

So they must not be evil, right?

If you really must be so childish, then you can use the Euro for the 'e' at the end of Apple

Naw, we want to use a currency that will be around in a couple of years.

/I keed
//Hopefully

the_sidewinder: H31N0US: Apple has become 10 times the beast Microsoft ever was.

Unfortunately, there is no "S" in Apple that can cleverly be transcribed as "$".

So they must not be evil, right?

If you really must be so childish, then you can use the Euro for the 'e' at the end of Apple

Couldn't find it on my 'murcan keyboard.

So, as I shop for an ultrabook for my wife, I can choose, from Asus, Acer, Toshiba, Samsung et al. All of which have hdmi out, and the Toshiba even has vga out and Gbit ethernet. And is cheaper than a macbook air. So I can buy a macbook and then a bunch of retarded adapters to lose, or the toshiba.

Can't wait for this lawsuit

Oakenshield: [osxdaily.com image 580x812]

uh uh,

Those tops ones are either Panasonic toughbooks or their ruggedized equivalents.

Put an iPad in it's (lol) "ruggedized" case and it looks shockingly like the top set of images.

zez: Can't wait for this lawsuit

[www.hp.com image 640x409]

Don't forget this one:

always late to the party

/has played with new toughbook
//Windows 7 keyboard is ace

the_sidewinder: Theaetetus: zez: Can't wait for this lawsuit

[www.hp.com image 640x409]

Don't forget this one:
[static8.businessinsider.com image 320x206]

There's a plethora of those from various OEMs

Apple will be busy

Eh. I just like having lots of alternatives in the marketplace. I'm always amused, however, when the same people who pan Apple for some design choice ("no user-replaceable battery? no optical drive?!") come out two years later raving about the competitor's product with identical design choices.

Theaetetus: mrtoadswildride: Wow..it's like products go through some sort of life/design cycle...with each iteration improving on the last version....huh, who'd of thunk?

Really, though? You don't believe that the iPad's design had any influence on HTC, HP, and Samsung?

Never said it didn't. Only that comparing 2001 products to 2010/2011 products is dumb (especially in tech)...

Solid state drives, touche screen, gigs of RAM...they weren't really feasible options in 2001...So comparing them in an attempt to say that Apple everyone is copying apple is stupid.


In fact, I've said that it wasn't for apple the current tablet market wouldn't exist. Prior to the ipad launch...no one cared about tablets. Apple can sell just about anything right now with an apple logo on it. If apple tells it's fans they need a tablet...then these fans rush out and buy a tablet (it quite remarkable how they have built this brand loyalty). They are going to study this success/phenomenon for decades (mark my words).

/Everyone else is just trying to build something somewhat similar that sells for 1/2 price in an attempt capture some of this newly created market.
//Even when apple is late to the market (e.g. droids from 3 years ago had voice commands).... people still talk about these features as being amazing when apple does it...

Theaetetus: zez: Can't wait for this lawsuit

[www.hp.com image 640x409]

Don't forget this one:
[static8.businessinsider.com image 320x206]

This is the one that's a blatant aesthetic copy:



I'll probably opt for the Toshiba Z830 though.

mrtoadswildride: In fact, I've said that it wasn't for apple the current tablet market wouldn't exist. Prior to the ipad launch...no one cared about tablets. Apple can sell just about anything right now with an apple logo on it. If apple tells it's fans they need a tablet...then these fans rush out and buy a tablet (it quite remarkable how they have built this brand loyalty). They are going to study this success/phenomenon for decades (mark my words).

/Everyone else is just trying to build something somewhat similar that sells for 1/2 price in an attempt capture some of this newly created market.
//Even when apple is late to the market (e.g. droids from 3 years ago had voice commands).... people still talk about these features as being amazing when apple does it...

Suuure, when people buy a Samsung tablet, it's because of the great features and usability... but when people buy the near-indistinguishable Apple tablet, it's because they're fanbois who will buy anything with a logo.

Anti-fanboism is just as douchey as the opposite, you know.

/and voice commands are not the same thing as language parsing

the_sidewinder: Theaetetus: Eh. I just like having lots of alternatives in the marketplace. I'm always amused, however, when the same people who pan Apple for some design choice ("no user-replaceable battery? no optical drive?!") come out two years later raving about the competitor's product with identical design choices.

One reason for that may simply be timing. Apple likes to get rid of things (floppy drives, etc) before they are ready. But realistically, someone needs to

Totally. And with their smaller market share, they could something like the OS9-OSX conversion, dropping most backwards compatibility in exchange for vastly improved security, sandboxing, multithreading, etc., something Microsoft's corporate clients would never have gone for.