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(PCWorld) Sad Cool: researchers have made serious advances in smartphone battery technology that should give us a week between recharges. Sad: It's still 3-5 years away from production   (pcworld.com) divider line 61
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2011-11-17 11:50:27 AM
Less sad when you think that's just two contracts away.

Which itself is kinda sad.
 
2011-11-17 12:08:12 PM
In 4G my Bionic barely makes it 5 hours between charges. Okay, maybe not that short but it definitely won't make it through the day
 
2011-11-17 12:19:31 PM
WTF are people doing that battery life is a concern? I plug mine in every night when I go to sleep; I have an iPhone 4S now, had a "3" for three years before that, and a couple Nokias and a couple Palms before that. I could count on the fingers of one hand how many times I ever had a phone die from lack of battery power. If your batteries are running low, perhaps you need to rethink the idea of sending 1,000 tweets or texts a day, or playing games for hours at a time.

And based on a completely unscientific survey, just in listening to people I encounter in various places with the phones stuck to their ears, 90% of the conversation is completely mindless nattering.
 
2011-11-17 12:28:38 PM
Speaker2Animals: WTF are people doing that battery life is a concern? I plug mine in every night when I go to sleep

Same here. If your phone can't make it through the day, you probably have a bad battery or bad phone. Otherwise, who doesn't charge their phone overnight?
 
2011-11-17 12:56:40 PM
downstairs: Same here. If your phone can't make it through the day, you probably have a bad battery or bad phone. Otherwise, who doesn't charge their phone overnight?

I do charge my phone overnight. I also have it tethered to my desktop via USB all day, so it's staying pretty leveled-off.

I nonetheless still have a little bit of a problem when I need to use it heavily between work, and bedtime. Because it's happened plenty of times that I need to make a few phone calls to confirm that there's someplace I need to be, browse up some information I'll need once I get where I'm going, and then use the GPS to get there, and the bloody battery icon is in the yellow (if not the red) by the time I need to leave to go home. And that's even after making heavy use of the power-toggling widget that lets me turn off stuff like Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and satellite functions when I'm not using them. The latest Gingerbread update (which was supposed to be focused on improving battery life) doesn't seem to have helped much, either.

And now I'm gonna shut the hell up about first world problems. Because anemic juice supply is kind of a pissy thing to get irritated about when my phone finds new ways every day to prove to me that it's already the future.
 
2011-11-17 02:15:55 PM
MaxxLarge: also have it tethered to my desktop via USB all day, so it's staying pretty leveled-off.

I nonetheless still have a little bit of a problem when I need to use it heavily between work, and bedtime.


Doesn't constant charging supposedly damage your battery life by quite a bit? Or is that not a problem these days?
 
2011-11-17 02:45:49 PM
GAT_00: Doesn't constant charging supposedly damage your battery life by quite a bit? Or is that not a problem these days?

Yeah...Supposedly, if you don't let a lot of rechargeable batteries run all the way down, they get a "memory," and will only hold a certain amount of charge. I'm not sure if that's still true, but it probably is. I've read just conflicting info on that to make me wonder, though.

I guess when I weigh the inconvenience of a diminished-capacity battery vs. waiting the 20 minutes or so it takes for the phone to even hold enough charge to turn back on again once the battery goes completely flat, it represents the lesser inconvenience.
 
2011-11-17 02:59:16 PM
MaxxLarge: Yeah...Supposedly, if you don't let a lot of rechargeable batteries run all the way down, they get a "memory," and will only hold a certain amount of charge. I'm not sure if that's still true, but it probably is. I've read just conflicting info on that to make me wonder, though.

No, that was the case with NiCad batteries, Li-Ion batteries do, however, have a limited number of charge cycles
 
2011-11-17 03:00:13 PM
My dumbphone can go up to 4-6 days before it needs a recharge, though it's only a year old at this point. One of the selling points for me was that it's so long and bulky that they can fit a much larger battery in there. Though I'm a guy so it fits in my pocket just fine.

Sprint LG Rumor Touch
 
2011-11-17 03:08:47 PM
Peter von Nostrand: In 4G my Bionic barely makes it 5 hours between charges. Okay, maybe not that short but it definitely won't make it through the day

Mine is literally that short, however I work in a building that gets very poor signal, so the phone is constantly switching between 4G, 3G, and no signal.

On the standard battery, charged over night, my Bionic will die before lunch. The JuiceDefender app and extended battery have helped a lot, though.
 
2011-11-17 03:10:09 PM
New battery technology has been 3-5 years away for the last 25 years.
 
2011-11-17 03:10:25 PM
The charging method needs to be dealt with. I use my Nexus S like a laptop and I've had my battery drain while plugged in because the discharge rate when under heavy load is greater then the charge rate.

They also need to deal with heat generated while charging and using the phone. Plug in the phone and play an intense game will send temps to the cut off level where the battery stops taking a charge to prevent over hearing. Love the technology but yeah, the battery is the elephant in the room with any of the high end smartphones.
 
2011-11-17 03:16:12 PM
Batteries are yet another technological disappointment for me. Just pick a technology/manufacturing process that works and stick with it!

/have had good batteries, and useless batteries
//same with cars
///same with computers
////why haven't they cured cancer yet?!
 
2011-11-17 03:24:22 PM
Also applicable to tablets, laptops, and other gizmos, I'm sure. Which can enable more battery talk time OR smaller batteries. And don't electric cars also use lithium ion batteries?

Sometimes I want to live two hundred years just to see where technology takes us.
 
2011-11-17 03:25:52 PM
Speaker2Animals: And based on a completely unscientific survey, just in listening to people I encounter in various places with the phones stuck to their ears, 90% of the conversation is completely mindless nattering.

Yes, but it's always been that way -- even before cellphones.
 
2011-11-17 03:27:07 PM
Your battery will be ready in three-to-five years.

static.tvfanatic.com
 
2011-11-17 03:28:18 PM
Cool: researchers have made serious advances in smartphone battery technology
By not buying a Android phone
/Sorry had to
 
2011-11-17 03:55:21 PM
I get about 1.5 days on my HTC Incredible. That will include one GPS trip, maybe 10 minutes of talk. Lots of email. Some Farking and other browsing.

If I leave wifi enabled while I'm at work (and not on wifi), it will only last a bit more than a day.
 
2011-11-17 03:56:44 PM
Speaker2Animals: And based on a completely unscientific survey, just in listening to people I encounter in various places with the phones stuck to their ears, 90% of the conversation is completely mindless nattering

My cellphone contract exipred a couple of years ago, but I carry the dead phone around with me so I can talk to myself whenever I want and not get funny looks.

Well, not AS funny.
 
2011-11-17 04:03:42 PM
By the time we have those batteries, the phones will have the technology, and crapware on them, to drain the battery in 2-4 hours..
 
2011-11-17 04:04:14 PM
As someone with a Droid X2, I just do the logical thing. I carry 3 batteries around with me at all times.
 
2011-11-17 04:05:16 PM
Every technology that's 3-5 years from production has been 3-5 years from production for at least 10 years.
 
2011-11-17 04:08:19 PM
XMark: Every technology that's 3-5 years from production has been 3-5 years from production for at least 10 years.

This.

I'm not holding my breath.
 
2011-11-17 04:13:12 PM
The Angry Hand of God: As someone with a Droid X2, I just do the logical thing. I carry 3 batteries around with me at all times.

i did that with my last phone. i ha
 
2011-11-17 04:13:55 PM
My current cell phone battery lasts a week between charges. :-p

Motorola KRAZR, used for ~100 minutes per month .. $29.95 per month, on a month-to-month contract. That's a 'grandfathered' rate; I've had the phone for over 5 years (it's on its third battery .. still works just fine).

/has no need for a 'smartphone'
//totally understands that others might .. but this one 'works' for me
 
2011-11-17 04:15:26 PM
sonofabiatch...i have no idea why i haven't gotten around picking up an extra battery or two for my galaxy
 
2011-11-17 04:26:23 PM
pxlboy: sonofabiatch...i have no idea why i haven't gotten around picking up an extra battery or two for my galaxy

I got my extra batteries by making insurance claims for my Droid X when they broke by farting within 10 feet of them. Either the screen would crack or I would set the wetness indicator off...
 
2011-11-17 04:29:28 PM
Who reads this and goes "Who needs better battery life?" Science does, you idiot. Science needs it.
 
2011-11-17 04:35:07 PM
Speaker2Animals: If your batteries are running low, perhaps you need to rethink the idea of sending 1,000 tweets or texts a day, or playing games for hours at a time.

The thing is, smartphones for most people have replaced the GPS, mp3 player, radio, portable DVD player, portable gaming device, personal planner, camera, e-reader, and even the desktop computer. When you take almost every single electronic device you used to use, throw it in the trash, and jam it all in to 1... you're going to have battery issues.

For me, depending on how heavy my usage is, I get anywhere from 6 to 24 hours of life from my battery. My solution, an external charger and a few extra batteries. That way when I get low, just swap. And I'll usually swap just before leaving the house to ensure I'm at 100%.
 
2011-11-17 04:39:21 PM
Pardon me for intruding BUT wouldnt this also be a game changer for battery powered cars? Assuming there is a significant increase in overall energy storage density then mileage in a battery powered car should directly follow. I think Tesla might be the only one using cellphone type batteries but if you can suddenly get twice to three times the mileage out of a charge AND decrease the charging time it becomes a no brainer.
 
2011-11-17 04:41:58 PM
Sad, considering my old Nokia 3390 used to go almost two weeks between charges.

/shut up, I know.
 
2011-11-17 04:44:07 PM
Eats Kittens: XMark: Every technology that's 3-5 years from production has been 3-5 years from production for at least 10 years.

This.

I'm not holding my breath.


Why? Hasn't new battery tech come along all the time in the last few decades?
 
2011-11-17 04:58:15 PM
Fizpez: Pardon me for intruding BUT wouldnt this also be a game changer for battery powered cars? Assuming there is a significant increase in overall energy storage density then mileage in a battery powered car should directly follow. I think Tesla might be the only one using cellphone type batteries but if you can suddenly get twice to three times the mileage out of a charge AND decrease the charging time it becomes a no brainer.

Yeah, you still have to worry about the cost of replacing the batteries when they die, which is apparently averaging out to about $500 to $1000 each year. And 15 minutes to charge vs. whatever it is now is what, half the charge time? So 6 hours instead of 12 to charge your car? And that's 3-5 years from now? Not me any time soon. Eventually they'll get there.
 
2011-11-17 04:58:53 PM
If were talking about 20 years then yes. 3-5 then no.
 
2011-11-17 05:04:50 PM
I have an LG 101 cell phone. I charge it every two weeks. It doesn't do internewts, it doesn't do fart apps, it doesn't do Siri talking robot bulsh. It's a phone. If you want your battery to last more than a single day, may I suggest you get A FARKING PHONE, and not a stupid handheld dildo/soc networking/ turnip twaddler.
 
2011-11-17 05:09:02 PM
Well, people check their mail or Facebook or whatever Internet site in the morning. Then they might use the GPS to go to a morning meeting or they might listen to pandora while working out.

Then, at work, they are making phone calls, looking for somewhere to eat lunch, or playing angry birds during a break.

Watching Netflix or YouTube during lunch, checking your mail another dozen times, plus checking who knows what on apps.

It's no wonder people run down their battery.

People used to carry around a Walkman or mp3 player, a portable DVD player, a gps unit for their car, and their cell phone and laptop. Now one device is doing all that. Battery problems? Shocking.

Turn the brightness down to 70% and turn auto-brightness on. Turn off the wireless when you aren't using a known wireless network. Turn off push notifications. And, set the thing to fetch mail every 30m or something.

I use my phone to access the company CRM, I use it to check my mail or Facebook or Fark in the morning. I use the GPS to get to a client site. I play iFighter when I'm bored. And, I watch stupid YouTube videos constantly.

I have never seen my battery run out at lunch or something.

The only time I've been short on life is when I am doing stuff all day and then go right to a sporting event or something, but that's pushing 14-18 hours between charges and decent use during the day.
 
2011-11-17 05:09:03 PM
hmmm... so far the only time my phone sucked the battery long and hard was while in a building that the signal was very poor.

Aside that (checking phone)... I have 85% left on it today, but I've not done much with it... I'd say that with average usage, I'd have about 60% by this time.

I played games a lot the other day... I was about 30% when I went and put it back on it's charger (I laugh at plugging in cables to charge).

But if I know that I'd be in need of extra power, I'd bring a few on my spares batteries.

/Palm Pre 2
 
2011-11-17 05:13:11 PM
Lt. Cheese Weasel: and not a stupid handheld dildo

Aren't most dildos handheld?

/I'm just asking questions!
//LOL fart apps
 
2011-11-17 05:22:23 PM
Note to self: code turnip-twaddler app
 
2011-11-17 05:23:33 PM
cjmook21: Fizpez: Pardon me for intruding BUT wouldnt this also be a game changer for battery powered cars? Assuming there is a significant increase in overall energy storage density then mileage in a battery powered car should directly follow. I think Tesla might be the only one using cellphone type batteries but if you can suddenly get twice to three times the mileage out of a charge AND decrease the charging time it becomes a no brainer.

Yeah, you still have to worry about the cost of replacing the batteries when they die, which is apparently averaging out to about $500 to $1000 each year. And 15 minutes to charge vs. whatever it is now is what, half the charge time? So 6 hours instead of 12 to charge your car? And that's 3-5 years from now? Not me any time soon. Eventually they'll get there.


I would say that the current state of technology when it comes to batteries would be lithium polymer instead of lithium Ion. All the High powered electric Radio control stuff uses the Li-po batteries. as well as your Ipods and what not, most everything else uses the lithium Ion though.
if I recall correctly, The electric vehicle that are using Lithium Ion batterie, which have a high energy to weight ratio, powerful discharge rate, and rapid turn around... the problem with that is, is that there is one company with the patent on that battery type. so to make a big ass lithium Ion car battery, you either have to pay a big fee to this company to have them make said battery, or.. take a shiat pot of lap top batteries, deconstruct them, and make a new battery pack out of them.

the big problem with the Li-po "wet cell" type of batteries? very volitle, and can get all explody is punctured, over charged, or charged incorrectly. Hence the recall on all the old Gen1 Ipod nanos, They use single cell Lipo's and there is either something wrong with the original cells, or the charging circuit itself that can cause those batteries to get all explody.

but the lipo's do have a very high weight to power density ratio, and the balancing chargers are very fast and efficient. but of course, that tech has been around since at least 1977, and it has only matured in the past decade or so.
 
2011-11-17 05:37:59 PM
I have an awl and a ball peen hammer if anyone's interested in sending me their phones for an early update.
 
2011-11-17 05:44:51 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't bet too much on this being a game-changer for cars. Scale-up's a biatch and cars are much more sensitive to the $/watt than handheld electronics are.

In 20 years, the only thing different about what we drive will be more hybrid cars, perhaps an influx of LNG and E100 cars, but I don't think you're going to see full electrics making up more of the fleet than they do now. Full electric could work for city buses, but such buses aren't going to be cost-effective. Cities will have to pay a premium for the feel good effect.
 
2011-11-17 05:51:37 PM
I meant CNG, not LNG.
 
2011-11-17 06:22:12 PM
BKITU: Note to self: code turnip-twaddler app

It won't work. The juice from the turnips seeps into the battery casing and bricks your iGadget. Trust me, I tried.
 
2011-11-17 06:30:55 PM
Speaker2Animals: WTF are people doing that battery life is a concern?

Angry Birds.

No, seriously -- the screen takes loads of battery life. If you aren't using the screen, the phone will stay charged for a couple days.
 
2011-11-17 06:42:21 PM
Speaker2Animals: WTF are people doing that battery life is a concern? I plug mine in every night when I go to sleep; I have an iPhone 4S now, had a "3" for three years before that, and a couple Nokias and a couple Palms before that. I could count on the fingers of one hand how many times I ever had a phone die from lack of battery power. If your batteries are running low, perhaps you need to rethink the idea of sending 1,000 tweets or texts a day, or playing games for hours at a time.

And based on a completely unscientific survey, just in listening to people I encounter in various places with the phones stuck to their ears, 90% of the conversation is completely mindless nattering.


Navigation. Heavy internet usage (going to different webpages for an hour or two). Video watching. Games.
 
2011-11-17 06:52:39 PM
They say this every couple of years and my phone battery life never really improves. My phones do much more, but they kind of cancel out any gains in battery life. What they are really saying is they came up with the battery to run the next generation of phone. I doubt you'll actually see an increase in a battery life when they plug that thing into a 5G phone.
 
2011-11-17 06:56:41 PM
Peter von Nostrand: In 4G my Bionic barely makes it 5 hours between charges. Okay, maybe not that short but it definitely won't make it through the day

Turn off 4G. 4G radios are inefficient and battery suckers because of how new they are.

My D3 (and your bionic) gets about 24-40 hours per charge on 3G. Really good phones.
 
2011-11-17 06:59:22 PM
downstairs: Speaker2Animals: WTF are people doing that battery life is a concern? I plug mine in every night when I go to sleep

Same here. If your phone can't make it through the day, you probably have a bad battery or bad phone. Otherwise, who doesn't charge their phone overnight?


Use to use my OG droid while foot traveling and with maps running, GPS, mobile searching, using it to txt talk and take pictures it wouldn't last long at all.

My new Droid is much, much better with an extended battery, and about 3X more powerful. Mostly to technical advances and a really efficient screen.
 
2011-11-17 06:59:23 PM
Cool: researchers have made serious advances in smartphone battery technology that should give us a week between recharges. Sad: It likely still won't last more than 8 hours if you're running Android.

/Thunderbolt user
//"free" apps are cool until you realize they're shiatty iPhone ports from last year.
///Jailbroken iPhone > rooted Android
 
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