Nadie_AZ: The state, demographically, is split. 1/3 is Dem, 1/3 if Rep and 1/3 is Independent. Brewer and Co are trying to gerrymander the redistricting map so they can make their super majority even more super majorityish.

Party affiliation aside, if you tell one group of people they are less than people, you will lose their support. Even for the average Hispanic Republican there are limits to how far they will go to vote against their own interests. Sure, they might vote against their economic interests, but when you tell them they should all be treated like criminals just for being brown and existing... you have a problem.

This whole immigration thing the Republicans have done in the last few years is almost like whole civil rights thing. Push the Hispanics a bit harder and they'll lose their votes forever, just like they did with the blacks.

violentsalvation: I don't see that.

You don't see how telling a large and growing group of citizens they are less-than human will cause them to vote for someone that doesn't think they're less-than human?

I'll believe it when I see it on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

Cubansaltyballs: You don't see how telling a large and growing group of citizens they are less-than human will cause them to vote for someone that doesn't think they're less-than human?

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Britney Spear's Speculum: Cubansaltyballs: You don't see how telling a large and growing group of citizens they are less-than human will cause them to vote for someone that doesn't think they're less-than human?

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The hispanic group in American and AZ in particular is growing.

Cubansaltyballs: Britney Spear's Speculum: Cubansaltyballs: You don't see how telling a large and growing group of citizens they are less-than human will cause them to vote for someone that doesn't think they're less-than human?

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The hispanic group in American and AZ in particular is growing.

Blah. I can't type today.

The number of Hispanics in America and AZ are growing.

Cubansaltyballs: The hispanic group in American and AZ in particular is growing.

the law targets illegals, not legal citizens

Britney Spear's Speculum: Cubansaltyballs: The hispanic group in American and AZ in particular is growing.

the law targets illegals, not legal citizens

But in order to target illegals which is code for targeting Mexicans, you have to interrogate all brown people.

Now, if I travel to AZ and don't have my passport and they decide I look illegal, boom... I get to spend the next few weeks in an immigration cell until I can get someone to get a hold of my birth certificate proving I was born in this country.

It's just like the old poll-tax. It was written to say it could apply to anyone, but was used in an disenfranchise blacks. Sure it could have been applied to white people, but was really only used against blacks. Same thing with this AZ law... it says it targets illegals, but will be used to harass Hispanics.

Britney Spear's Speculum: the law targets illegals, not legal citizens

And the Arizona police force is able to spot illegal citizens purely by looking at them without any further decision making whatsoever!

bulldg4life: Britney Spear's Speculum: the law targets illegals, not legal citizens

And the Arizona police force is able to spot illegal citizens purely by looking at them without any further decision making whatsoever!

Of course not! That would be racist, and since they are clearly NOT racist, they would never dream of it.

They can easily detect illegals by pulling over every 1980-1992 minivan and/or listening for trumpets and accordion music.

Britney Spear's Speculum: Cubansaltyballs: The hispanic group in American and AZ in particular is growing.

the law targets illegals, not legal citizens

How do you tell if someone is legal or illegal by looking at them then?

Corvus: Britney Spear's Speculum: Cubansaltyballs: The hispanic group in American and AZ in particular is growing.

the law targets illegals, not legal citizens

How do you tell if someone is legal or illegal by looking at them then?

Easy. Just look at the ones that look Mexican.

Nadie_AZ: Uh, what?

The state, demographically, is split. 1/3 is Dem, 1/3 if Rep and 1/3 is Independent. Brewer and Co are trying to gerrymander the redistricting map so they can make their super majority even more super majorityish.

If this is remotely true, that's great. But I'm not really optimistic about it.

As long as the electoral college is winner take all, gerrymandering won't do a damn thing about the Presidential races.

Cubansaltyballs: bulldg4life: Britney Spear's Speculum: the law targets illegals, not legal citizens

And the Arizona police force is able to spot illegal citizens purely by looking at them without any further decision making whatsoever!

Of course not! That would be racist, and since they are clearly NOT racist, they would never dream of it.

They can easily detect illegals by pulling over every 1980-1992 minivan and/or listening for trumpets and accordion music.

Sombreros. Don't forget the sombreros.

Also, large airbrush murals depicting hot women and mustachioed men.

19 Kilo: Sombreros. Don't forget the sombreros.

Also, large airbrush murals depicting hot women and mustachioed men.

Also, people in the vicinity of places called carnicerias or mercados.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Guess what, idiots, elections DO have consequences. This is one. If you try to alienate one segment of the population, they generally get kind of irked and respond.

trotsky: HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Guess what, idiots, elections DO have consequences. This is one. If you try to alienate one segment of the population, they generally get kind of irked and respond.




Thanks Republicans! Keep it up!

I just want to say that I wish I had Rep. Chad Campbell's biceps. I think his new nickname should be "Congressman Creatine."

AnimateThis: Thanks Republicans! Keep it up!

Why's it gotta be a black shoe?

I can't believe nobody posted this yet...

Just more BS from all the America haters who push Illegal Alien Amnesty

The GOPs biggest problem is that they fail to listen to their voters, and, a large number of Democrats and Independents, who want the border sealed and all the illegal aliens deported. Before SB 1070 passed...a state referendum just like SB 1070 passed in AZ with 75% approval.....so it is BS for anyone to say that getting tough on illegals means losing votes

The GOP loses voters on the issue because they play weak...placate to the Illegal Alien groups and the Hispanic Racist groups (La Raza, MEChA, LULAC, etc)...and do not listen to the vast majority of voters who want Border Security and Illegal Aliens deported

UCFRoadWarrior: words

You run with that. It is sure to serve you far-right farks well.

UCFRoadWarrior: Just more BS from all the America haters who push Illegal Alien Amnesty

Hmmm... Not sure if serious.

I'm an American and my only agenda is to keep the 4th amendment intact and to keep the govt from imprisoning people because they cannot meet the vague standard that AZ determined for innocence of the crime of "looking illegal"

Cubansaltyballs:
But in order to target illegals which is code for targeting Mexicans, you have to interrogate all brown people.

Now, if I travel to AZ and don't have my passport and they decide I look illegal, boom... I get to spend the next few weeks in an immigration cell until I can get someone to get a hold of my birth certificate proving I was born in this country.

It's just like the old poll-tax. It was written to say it could apply to anyone, but was used in an disenfranchise blacks. Sure it could have been applied to white people, but was really only used against blacks. Same thing with this AZ law... it says it targets illegals, but will be used to harass Hispanics.
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Code for targeting Al Qaeda, you know, they are brown too. And you do not need a passport, your legitimate US State drivers license is accepted. That doesn't mean they will not detain you while they get verification.
Remember, It's a war on terror! Oooooooooooh. (Not like oh, like oo. Going for sarcasm on that one.)

Now, the rest sounds so conspiracy... which I am really into... so please, continue.
Seriously, they have militarized our police. There is a reason.
If only the people in charge were not above the law...

Cubansaltyballs: AnimateThis: Thanks Republicans! Keep it up!

Why's it gotta be a black shoe?

You're so right...

AnimateThis: Cubansaltyballs: AnimateThis: Thanks Republicans! Keep it up!

Why's it gotta be a black shoe?

You're so right...

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Why's it gotta be an American shoe?

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Why's it gotta be a black shoe?

You're so right...

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Why's it gotta be an American shoe?

American, yet clownish. Appropriate no?

Stoker: your legitimate US State drivers license is accepted. That doesn't mean they will not detain you while they get verification.

Unless you come from one of those pesky states that doesn't require a birth certificate to get your license.

Dude, Arizona is full of elderly people who swing. Best time I ever had.

Since the 2000 elections people have been paying attention to this "red state vs. blue state" stuff and drawing hard and firm conclusions based on a sample size of 3 elections. Bill Clinton won Arizona in 1996. Since that time the GOP have won 3 uniquely strong candidates in the state in the last three Presidential elections. Bush, a evangelical bilingual Spanish speaking evangelical christian from the Southwest who had extremely moderate positions on immigration ran twice. If there was any candidate who could unite the warring factions of the angry white male and the socially conservative catholic latino, it was Bush. Then of course the native son McCain. McCain still had to stop his campaign swing in late Summer of 2008 to fly back to Arizona and rally the troops because Obama was gaining so much ground on him. McCain only ended up with 54% of the vote, about as much as Obama ended up winning Colorado by. Even putting the immigration reform off the table, the GOP are not going to run anyone in 2012 as attractive to the Arizona voters as Bush or McCain. If Romney wins, the GOP will most definitely have a "Southwest" problem as his blue blooded northeastern Wall Street persona will win him no favors with the independents there, to speak nothing of his religion among the evangelicals.


Is Obama a favorite to win Arizona in 2012? I would say probably not (although current polling says otherwise). However, it most certainly a swing state and a state the GOP will have to spend time and resources to defend. Historically and statistically, Obama has a better chance of flipping Arizona than the GOP have of flipping Pennsylvania or Iowa, and you'll hear the media punditry go on and on about how they're swing states.

IrateShadow: Stoker: your legitimate US State drivers license is accepted. That doesn't mean they will not detain you while they get verification.

Unless you come from one of those pesky states that doesn't require a birth certificate to get your license.

That's OK. Thanks to the Republicans, soon you can show the cops your universal concealed weapons permit.

BKITU: 19 Kilo: Cubansaltyballs: bulldg4life: Britney Spear's Speculum: the law targets illegals, not legal citizens

And the Arizona police force is able to spot illegal citizens purely by looking at them without any further decision making whatsoever!

Of course not! That would be racist, and since they are clearly NOT racist, they would never dream of it.

They can easily detect illegals by pulling over every 1980-1992 minivan and/or listening for trumpets and accordion music.

Sombreros. Don't forget the sombreros.

Also, large airbrush murals depicting hot women and mustachioed men.

Or the Virgin of Guadalupe.

or if they have GONZALEZ in big gothic letters on the rear window of their deluxe pick-up.

or if the smell of tacos and burritos trail their vehicle.

/taco flavored kisses!

Primum: Dude, Arizona is full of elderly people who swing. Best time I ever had.

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Jesus man. Smell of Geritol, Fixodent and lube in the air?

BiblioTech: ParallelUniverseParking: Britney Spear's Speculum: Cubansaltyballs: The hispanic group in American and AZ in particular is growing.

the law targets illegals, not legal citizens

Did the thought occur to you that legal citizens could be annoyed by the "your papers please, citizen" mentality? Or that US Americans might find laws like that offensive...even though it doesn't target them at all?

My niece and her husband (a legal immigrant from Argentina) are currently stuck in Arizona and desperately trying to get out. It's gotten so bad that he has asked her not to speak Spanish to him in public. She was trying to get him in an English class so he could get better at it and was grilled by the person in charge of that more than they were by immigration - and more humiliatingly as well. Why would citizens who may still speak with a strong accent or legal immigrants want to stay in a climate like that?

Where in AZ was this?

God-is-a-Taco: Primum: Dude, Arizona is full of elderly people who swing. Best time I ever had.

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I wonder how they're going to use those bananas and oranges. Mostly the oranges, though, bananas are pretty self explanatory.

orange + rope = ball gag