"I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room."

What, he waited around until Sandusky shot his wad?

ginandbacon: He says he stopped the abuse and contacted law enforcement. None of us has enough information to pass judgement on him. The summary of the GJ testimony is not enough. The only thing we know for sure is that he dd something. That's more than people in positions of authority with decades more life experience did.

So . . . the police report bears this out? There IS a police report, right?

First, PennLive sucks. The original story from the Morning Call cites sources with knowledge of the case that backs up this guys story. The Grand Jury report did not go into detail about the case.

How about we let all the facts come out before we start crucifying everyone that knew Sandusky?

Anyone?

Hello?

I found tfa to be going in circles with no real conclusive point. Maybe it's been too long without a Sandusky story hot off the presses?

So is he admitting to lying to the grand jury?

mitchcumstein1: ginandbacon: It's bothered me since the beginning of this that the only person at PSU who did anything to stop this is the one who is getting eviscerated in the media. I was really disappointed in Jon Stewart the other night. No one knows what this poor guy (how old was he, 24? 25?) did but we do know that he's not aloud to speak publicly to defend himself and we also know that NO ONE ELSE DID ANYTHING. McQueary isn't the villain here.

No, McQueary isn't the villain, but he still farked up. Your first call isn't your old man, it's the cops, to tell them you've just beat the everliving shiat out of an old may that was raping a little boy in the shower. At 24 or 25 you know exactly what was going on, my question is this, did he think he wouldn't be believed? So much of the abuse went on in Penn State facilities and around the team, I have to wonder if he felt it was a safe place to do that stuff because everybody knew, and nobody cared. I have to believe they knew, or at least suspected, and just decided to look the other way. Kids staying in the hotel before the games? Taking them bowl games? Inappropriate even with the best intentions.

If you are born and raised and live in the bubble that is Penn State, going to Paterno is like going above and beyond the cops. It would be like you or me getting a seat with the governor to discuss a crime we'd witnessed.

Not sayin' it's right. Just sayin'.

Prank Call of Cthulhu: "I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room."

What, he waited around until Sandusky shot his wad?

Maybe he went over and whacked him off or blew him?

fireclown: ginandbacon: He says he stopped the abuse and contacted law enforcement. None of us has enough information to pass judgement on him. The summary of the GJ testimony is not enough. The only thing we know for sure is that he dd something. That's more than people in positions of authority with decades more life experience did.

So . . . the police report bears this out? There IS a police report, right?

Well, he says that he discussed it with the police. He doesn't say that he followed the officer around for the next two weeks to make sure that he did his job and wrote up a report and filed it.

Maybe you think that he needed to get a copy of the report to file with his insurance company or something?

Yes, his footbutt career is toast, at least in the Big Time.

But he did the right thing by telling people -- ANY people -- about it.
Fark the pedophile protectors.

And if this guy gets ostracized but still has his integrity, good for him.
There's honor and dignity in that that the boy-rapers and their allies will never know.

"I am getting hammered for handling this the right way ... or what I thought at the time was right ... I had to make tough, impacting quick decisions."

As a football coach he is obviously ill prepare for making "tough, impacting quick decisions" and then taking the heat when he was wrong.

ThatGuyGreg: ginandbacon: McQueary isn't the villain here.

No, just a villain.

Where in the rule book does it state, there can't be more than one villain? There are plenty of huge mistakes in this debacle. More than of them enough to spread around.

"you can not save your face and your a** at the same time." McQueary could be a prime example of this basic wisdom.

This version of the story is even MORE damning to the institution of Penn State.

The Larch: Well, he says that he discussed it with the police.

Does he say he filed a report? Wouldn't it have been up to McQueary whether or not he wished to file a report, and not up to the officer?

White people problems.

If College Football wants to eliminate these kind of scandals they should be more open to hiring african american coaches. That is the real scandal here. 13 coaches out of 119 open positions is pathetic.

ginandbacon: He says he stopped the abuse and contacted law enforcement. None of us has enough information to pass judgement on him. The summary of the GJ testimony is not enough. The only thing we know for sure is that he dd something. That's more than people in positions of authority with decades more life experience did.

Sandusky came out of that encounter with no broken bones or large bruises. I judge McQueary and find him wanting.

missiv: Where in the rule book does it state, there can't be more than one villain? There are plenty of huge mistakes in this debacle. More than of them enough to spread around.

All that was required was that most people involved do the bare minimum required of them in order to keep the problem off their desks.

someonelse: The Larch: Well, he says that he discussed it with the police.

Does he say he filed a report? Wouldn't it have been up to McQueary whether or not he wished to file a report, and not up to the officer?

No, it's up the police officer to decide if he wants to write up a report. Why would McQueary have any say in that?

This incident exposes an organizational climate. There are elements of fear showing through these stories.

Think that you're in the Army and you see some guys beating the crap out of a gay guy in the platoon barracks bay. Or maybe one guy raping another?
Who do you go to first or at all to report this?
The commanding general of the post?
The MPs?
The first sergeant?
The captain?
The lieutenant?
The local civilian police?
The chaplain?

What are you willing to risk by telling someone? Your career? Your reputation as a team player? Getting a reputation as a snitch?
Penn State pulls down $50 million a year on footbol alone.
Would you be ready to risk blowing that up?

I don't envy this guy for the decisions he had to make in order to do the right thing here. No question he did the right thing, though.

Didn't Sandusky's lawyer claim on TV that he "got to" this witness?

/scary

pete1729: ginandbacon: He says he stopped the abuse and contacted law enforcement. None of us has enough information to pass judgement on him. The summary of the GJ testimony is not enough. The only thing we know for sure is that he dd something. That's more than people in positions of authority with decades more life experience did.

Sandusky came out of that encounter with no broken bones or large bruises. I judge McQueary and find him wanting.

He should have beat his ass, yes. Yes.

Prank Call of Cthulhu: "I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room."

What, he waited around until Sandusky shot his wad?

He banged on some lockers and loudly talked to himself about needing a shower and hoping it was available without a rape fee.

The worst of the worst of his previous story was that he saw the coach boning a 10 year old boy in the butt in the shower. Either it happened or it didn't.

Still a very sad story all the way around.

If it's (in reality) the truth then the coach and those who were in the know at the time at PSU need to be prosecuted and off to prison to get their OWN bonings.

Prank Call of Cthulhu: "I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room."

What, he waited around until Sandusky shot his wad?

wtf did he do?
did he just made sure it was over and then leave the kid with Sandusky?

Any normal person would have taken that kid away...after beating the #$## out of Sandusky.

someonelse: Does he say he filed a report? Wouldn't it have been up to McQueary whether or not he wished to file a report, and not up to the officer?

Shirley, you can't be serious. If I witness a murder, the cops aren't going to ask me if I want to press charges.

pete1729: ginandbacon: He says he stopped the abuse and contacted law enforcement. None of us has enough information to pass judgement on him. The summary of the GJ testimony is not enough. The only thing we know for sure is that he dd something. That's more than people in positions of authority with decades more life experience did.

Sandusky came out of that encounter with no broken bones or large bruises. I judge McQueary and find him wanting.


Not generally an ITG, but as I told my wife last night. There is only one appropriate response. It involves the pervert being broken and bloodied by the time the cops get there. If there are consequences as a result of that. Suffer them.

So, is the prosecution's case about to start falling apart? I read the grand jury's report and it does seem Sandusky was diddling boys. But I have hard time believing that 1) it is possible for a grown man to have buttsecks with a 10 year old boy without injuring him, and 2) that anyone would be stupid enough to have buttsecks with a 10 year old boy in a locker room.

The Larch: Maybe you think that he needed to get a copy of the report to file with his insurance company or something?

I think that when you report a felony, someone keeps a record of it. They filled a 5 page report when they towed my car for gods sake. And yep. If you want to verify that you went to the cops, I think that providing a copy of said report would be a damned good idea.

This happened in 2002 and it's only blowing up NOW, NINE YEARS LATER?

/Must be nice to be king, or whatever.

Boudyro: One should risk prison time because they walk into something like that? You realize how moronic it sounds when you phrase it like that, right? I understand the sentiment but really - you let the COPS beat the sh*t out of him. THEY'LL get away with it. You won't.

/Or make up a story about how the perv lost his footing mid-rape, and fell on his face. Repeatedly.

Let's say he did call the police. And not just the head of finance - an actual LEO. He knows what he witnessed. How often after that time did he see Sandusky? Did he see him alone with minor children? Was he at the bowl games where Sandusky brought a friend? He didn't just hear a rumor - he witnessed the rape of a child. Even if he told law enforcement, if he ever saw the man hanging out with little boys and did not immediately punch him in the face...

TFA did nothing to lower McQuery's creepiness factor.

You know, this makes a lot more sense than the original version of the story.

Prank Call of Cthulhu: "I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room."

What, he waited around until Sandusky shot his wad?

He yelled at him and Sandusky stopped, obviously. Obvious explanation is obvious.

pete1729: ginandbacon: He says he stopped the abuse and contacted law enforcement. None of us has enough information to pass judgement on him. The summary of the GJ testimony is not enough. The only thing we know for sure is that he dd something. That's more than people in positions of authority with decades more life experience did.

Sandusky came out of that encounter with no broken bones or large bruises. I judge McQueary and find him wanting.

Spike Lee's Favorite Farker: White people problems.

If College Football wants to eliminate these kind of scandals they should be more open to hiring african american coaches. That is the real scandal here. 13 coaches out of 119 open positions is pathetic.

If that solves the problem, why not?

These kinds of jokes really crack me up.