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(The Morning Call) Fail The dangers of representing yourself in court: "What did the robber sound like?" "He sounded like you"   (mcall.com) divider line 34
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gopher321 [TotalFark]
2011-11-16 09:50:37 AM
*insert cunningplan.jpg here*

Hey, pal, MENSA called...it wasn't for you.
 
daffy
2011-11-16 10:19:46 AM
Fool for a c... Yeah nuff said.
 
unchellmatt [TotalFark]
2011-11-16 10:22:19 AM
Anyone who defends themselves in court has a fool for a lawyer.
 
spamdog
2011-11-16 10:27:11 AM
Cesar [...] claimed he was charged because police searching for a black male simply happened upon him after one of the robberies while he was driving to his girlfriend's house in Bethlehem.

If there's one thing you can always count on, it's that the biggest scumbags will always play the victim.
 
daffy
2011-11-16 10:33:25 AM
unchellmatt: Anyone who defends themselves in court has a fool for a lawyer.

Thank you. I did not remember it mixed up, but i think it is safe to say that he was a fool.
I don't think it is fare to allow a defendant to to question the victom a second time.
 
video man [TotalFark]
2011-11-16 10:34:29 AM
Even lawyers hire lawyers when they're charged with something. Get a damn lawyer.
 
hobnail
2011-11-16 10:36:47 AM
I was on a jury where a the defendant represented himself (armed robbery). It was pretty similar to this.
 
Doctor_TeethMD
2011-11-16 10:41:05 AM
"OK, but what did he look like?"
"A farking idiot."
 
Minimally Hairy Beer-Powered Simian
2011-11-16 10:41:40 AM
video man: Even lawyers hire lawyers when they're charged with something. Get a damn lawyer.

If we kept that up, the whole planet would be laywers and nothing else. I say we need fewer lawyers, and more bartenders.
 
Person
2011-11-16 10:41:46 AM
I seem to remember a similar situation with the subway shooter many years ago. Only it went along the lines of the "Did you see {his name} shoot you?" "Yes, I saw you shoot me!"
 
RTOGUY [TotalFark]
2011-11-16 10:42:30 AM
Ladies and gentleman of the jury. I would like to axe you what a black man robbing a gas station for cigarettes and $46 might sound like.
 
fireclown
2011-11-16 10:47:06 AM
cdn.inquisitr.com

From the mouths of babes.
 
video man [TotalFark]
2011-11-16 10:47:40 AM
Minimally Hairy Beer-Powered Simian: video man: Even lawyers hire lawyers when they're charged with something. Get a damn lawyer.

If we kept that up, the whole planet would be laywers and nothing else. I say we need fewer lawyers, and more bartenders.

I would be OK in a world full of bartenders.
 
nytmare
2011-11-16 10:55:39 AM
Ok, but what did he smell like?
 
kvinesknows
2011-11-16 10:56:12 AM
okay.. once.. I understand him being dumb enough to ask it once... but then to ask a second victim before he realized he should stop asking that question?
 
jigger
2011-11-16 10:56:34 AM
media.fukung.net
 
MrHelpful
2011-11-16 11:17:05 AM
Remember, this guy is one of the 99%
 
Beeblebrox
2011-11-16 11:17:34 AM
Couldn't he just ask for a bad trial thingy?
 
actualhuman
2011-11-16 11:36:49 AM
Beeblebrox: Couldn't he just ask for a bad trial thingy?

Look, yer majesty, if I can't smoke and swear, I'm farked.
 
Clemkadidlefark
2011-11-16 11:44:44 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
LoneWolf343
2011-11-16 11:59:43 AM
This is an example of how if something can be done does not mean that it should be done.

He might as well called the invisible ghost who never lies.

/"Don't point at me, you jackass!"
 
Inhalien
2011-11-16 12:39:32 PM
"African-Americans have that particular accent - the way they talk," he said. "I'm not trying to stereotype."

Dats racist.
 
LoneWolf343
2011-11-16 01:11:27 PM
Inhalien: "African-Americans have that particular accent - the way they talk," he said. "I'm not trying to stereotype."

Dats racist, yo!

FTFY
 
Do you know the way to Mordor
2011-11-16 01:22:17 PM
Well, someone from Bethlehem said "Give unto Cesar"

///What's the problem, This was in the Bible, wasn't it?
 
Noticeably F.A.T.
2011-11-16 02:05:40 PM
"Your honor, I call to the stand my surprise witness: The Ghost That Never Lies. But only I can see him and hear him, so I'll tell you what he says. Ghost That Never Lies, did you witness the events that took place on that fateful day? You did. Well, how interesting. And do you see the culprit in this court room today? You do. Well, would you kindly point him or her out for this court? Don't point at me, you jackass!"
 
indylaw
2011-11-16 02:08:19 PM
Minimally Hairy Beer-Powered Simian: video man: Even lawyers hire lawyers when they're charged with something. Get a damn lawyer.

If we kept that up, the whole planet would be laywers and nothing else. I say we need fewer lawyers, and more bartenders.

Who keeps the bartenders in business?

Exactly.
 
indylaw
2011-11-16 02:11:46 PM
The legal system is full of tards who think they know better than trained, experienced lawyers how to successfully defend against criminal charges. Apparently a brilliant criminal mind + 40 hours of Judge Judy qualify you as the next Perry farking Mason.

People will insist on representing themselves EVEN WHEN A FREE LAWYER IS AVAILABLE TO THEM.

I don't get it. I wouldn't operate on my own body, and I watch House all the time.

/I mean, I get it. They're morons.
 
Noticeably F.A.T.
2011-11-16 03:22:14 PM
indylaw: The legal system is full of tards who think they know better than trained, experienced lawyers how to successfully defend against criminal charges. Apparently a brilliant criminal mind + 40 hours of Judge Judy qualify you as the next Perry farking Mason.

People will insist on representing themselves EVEN WHEN A FREE LAWYER IS AVAILABLE TO THEM.

I don't get it. I wouldn't operate on my own body, and I watch House all the time.

/I mean, I get it. They're morons.

Depends on the situation. A buddy of mine was getting nowhere with several lawyers in his case with CPS. He fired his lawyers, studied up on his situation, two weeks later everything is back to normal (or as close to normal as possible). So, yeah, some dumbass thinking 'I watch enough CSI and Judge Judy, I got this' probably ought to keep a lawyer. But if all you lawyer does is say "Comply with whatever new BS the court comes up with this week, here's a $5000 bill", and you are willing to put some time and effort into actually figuring out the pertinent laws, you can come out ok on your own.
 
ceebeecates4 [TotalFark]
2011-11-16 04:05:31 PM
unchellmatt: Anyone who defends themselves in court has a fool for a lawyer.

A man who is his own lawyer has fool for a client.

-Henry Kett, 1814

Also, most public defenders are crap. If you can't afford your own lawyer, there is a very good chance your PD will push you to pleade nolo contendere.
 
Keys dude
2011-11-16 04:20:25 PM
I bet he gave Sandusky the advice to go ahead with that interview.
 
Resident Muslim
2011-11-16 04:21:32 PM
Too bad this defendant didn't have a nice judge like this terrorist had and did not allow him to defend himself:
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/moussaoui/zmaccount.htm l
(sorry, mobile, probably doesn't pop or may even require copy-pasting)

But I give him a rare 10/10 for the Springsteen thing.

Trolling gold.
 
Resident Muslim
2011-11-16 04:24:56 PM
Would be interested to hear what precedents this sets from Fark's resident law GEDs.

Thanks.
 
mithras_angel
2011-11-16 04:44:54 PM
"What did the robber who stole your beer sound like?" "He sounded like Drew"
 
HopScotchNSoda [TotalFark]
2011-11-16 06:29:54 PM
Getting that same surprise response out of the second witness makes me wonder if the prosecutor declined to make the normal motion to exclude witnesses at the start of the trial, knowing that the defendant wouldn't know to make the motion either. I wouldn't be surprised, therefore, if the second witness had thus been present in court when the first witness was on the stand.

Amusing as it is to watch pro se morons defending themselves, they can create a nightmare if a judge is overly accomodating and not holding them to standards. I don't mean not knowing the exact wording of something or not memorising rule numbers. I'm talking about judges feeling sorry for the dumb schmuck and letting him walk all over the court and other parties, using so much discretion that it borders on abuse of discretion, letting the pro se ignore rules and deadlines with impunity, et cet. - and you can forget about getting sanctions for the series of baseless motions that you still have to defend against.

I've got a case right now in which we had that problem with a pro se plaintif who apparently thinks his numerous years in prison and shucking & jiving gives him an edge. His head nearly exploded at our most recent hearing; the new judge (some judges got rotated; this wasn't specific to our case) was being patient with him letting him be heard, but wasn't just rolling over like he had become accustomed to with the original judge.
 
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