Good.

"He said the priest would try to touch the altar boys when they were putting on their robes, and he'd invite them to the rectory, one at a time"

And then he'd invite himself to the rectalry.

Shazam999: "He said the priest would try to touch the altar boys when they were putting on their robes, and he'd invite them to the rectory, one at a time"

And then he'd invite himself to the rectalry.

And was subsequently discharged from the seminary.

As long as we don't immediately believe every accusation we hear. That's how we got the McMarten Day Care tragedy and ruined, innocent lives.

There ARE bad people out there but every now and then the country goes wholehog down the rabbit hole with mass hysterias. We're about due for one.

I knew this would happen.
Yes, there are many victims that have kept quiet but unfortunately many AW's or people seeking financial gain. I hope they are weeded out carefully.
Sandusky's interview undoubtedly set many people off.
What a sociopath.

Crap, well, today might be my last day on Fark for a while.

Guns n' Farkin Roses: Crap, well, today might be my last day on Fark for a while.

That made me laugh.

gshepnyc: As long as we don't immediately believe every accusation we hear. That's how we got the McMarten Day Care tragedy and ruined, innocent lives.

There ARE bad people out there but every now and then the country goes wholehog down the rabbit hole with mass hysterias. We're about due for one.

Anyone who has spent a single unsupervised minute with any child (theirs or not) in the last 40 or so years is a potential scandal.

/This has always been true.

gshepnyc: There ARE bad people out there but every now and then the country goes wholehog down the rabbit hole with mass hysterias. We're about due for one.

I've got a few decades of experience under my belt and I haven't seen a period the country wasn't engaged in one mass hysteria or another.

This Looks Fun: gshepnyc: As long as we don't immediately believe every accusation we hear. That's how we got the McMarten Day Care tragedy and ruined, innocent lives.

There ARE bad people out there but every now and then the country goes wholehog down the rabbit hole with mass hysterias. We're about due for one.

Anyone male who has spent a single unsupervised minute with any child (theirs or not) in the last 40 or so years is a potential scandal.

/This has always been true.

FTFY

GOOD

/Oh, it's already been said. Well, still.

generallyso: gshepnyc: There ARE bad people out there but every now and then the country goes wholehog down the rabbit hole with mass hysterias. We're about due for one.

I've got a few decades of experience under my belt and I haven't seen a period the country wasn't engaged in one mass hysteria or another.

True, but it's about time for another satanic daycare one.

So what do we have so far:

Pedo coach of Penn State football program.

Pedo coach of Penn State football program had charity for little boys to groom victims.

Pedo coach possibly sold victims to big donors of either charity/Penn State - not clear which yet and they probably overlap. (new window)

Pedo coach hired the General Counsel for Penn State lawyer for his charity. You know, the guy who would be in charge of giving legal advice on firing him. (new window - middle of article)

DA in charge of prosecuting Pedo Coach disappears from the face of the earth in 2005 and his laptop is found in a river with the hard drive removed. (new window)

Penn state has had Pedos on their faculty before with no relation to football and done nothing about it. (new window)

If even half of this is finally confirmed, prosecuting "those responsible" will not be enough. Penn State needs to be Arthur Andersened.

/if John Grisham had written this it would have been panned by critics for being too ridiculous

My favorite was :

In Wenatchee, Washington, in 1994 and 1995, police and state social workers undertook what was then called the nation's most extensive child sex-abuse investigation.[1] Forty-three adults were arrested on 29,726 charges of child sex abuse involving 60 children. Parents, Sunday school teachers and a pastor were charged, and many were convicted of abusing their own children or the children of others in the community. However, prosecutors were unable to provide any physical evidence to support the charges. The main witness was the 13-year-old foster daughter of a police officer, Robert Perez, who had investigated the cases.[50] A jury found the city of Wenatchee and Douglas County, Washington, negligent in the 1994-1995 investigations. They awarded $3 million to the couple who had been wrongly accused in the inquiry.

38 years later......give me a break. While I feel sorry for him if it did happen, too far gone now.

The Penn State scandal will also embolden false accusers who have an axe to grind. In addition to catching a few more pervs, get ready for more McMartin preschool scenarios too

/has a relative that was falsely accused. Once you have something like that happen, you tend to look at allegations like this in a different, more critical light.

gshepnyc: As long as we don't immediately believe every accusation we hear. That's how we got the McMarten Day Care tragedy and ruined, innocent lives.

There ARE bad people out there but every now and then the country goes wholehog down the rabbit hole with mass hysterias. We're about due for one.


The thing is, it's a very small minority of cases where it turns out to be false accusations. More likely is the scenario where victimized kids are afraid or unwilling to come forward and the molester gets free reign to molest more kids for years.

I'm not as concerned about false positives, I don't believe they're all that common but child abuse is disturbingly common.

Is there a reason we shouldn't simply execute pedophiles? I mean a true, guilty far beyond al ldoubt, multiple victim child rapist pedophile? Sentenced, 1 appeal, mandatory execution after 2 years or conclusion of the one appeal, whichever comes first.

As you sit down for the Thanksgiving day meal, scan the room and you will see the folks who are the greatest potential threat to your child.
A large majority of child sexual abuse comes from close friends and family.

Maybe they'll go after the 24/7 broadcast (in addtion to cable) media for glossing over the victims suffering while covering the story non-stop as a football, college sports money story.

If every TV station in the country endlessly ran a story and punditized about an adult rapist for two weeks without considering the victim that would be egregious enough.

But those were little kids with entire institutions (including the media) belittling what happened and covering up. Looks like college football may fail as a religious institution.

Forty years ago? The whole "recollected abuse" thing from back in the '80s will now be resurrected. If you don't remember it, or are too young, look it up. The best example was in Oregon. People in therapy were prompted to "recall" memories of abuse from decades earlier. After some time and ruined reputations, it appeared just another case of people living up to expectations. Troubled people were told that this was at the root of their issues, so they promptly manufactured "memories" to fit.

The problem with this kind of thing running its course is that at the end of the pendulum swing, actual victims of abuse will be doubted.

AbbeySomeone:
Yes, there are many victims that have kept quiet but unfortunately many AW's or people seeking financial gain. I hope they are weeded out carefully.

Silly rabbit. People usually make up child sex allegations to extort successful recording artists with peter pan fantasies.

/Jackson was friggin weird
//But he probably didn't do it

Death_Poot: 38 years later......give me a break. While I feel sorry for him if it did happen, too far gone now.

The Penn State scandal will also embolden false accusers who have an axe to grind. In addition to catching a few more pervs, get ready for more McMartin preschool scenarios too

/has a relative that was falsely accused. Once you have something like that happen, you tend to look at allegations like this in a different, more critical light.

I take issue with this as well. People being arrested for something they allegedly did 30 or 40 years prior based on a memory or axe to grind, and no evidence, is becoming too easy and too common.

I always made them extra extra special promise to keep our little secret, so I'm probably okay here.

AbbeySomeone: This Looks Fun: gshepnyc: As long as we don't immediately believe every accusation we hear. That's how we got the McMarten Day Care tragedy and ruined, innocent lives.

There ARE bad people out there but every now and then the country goes wholehog down the rabbit hole with mass hysterias. We're about due for one.

Anyone male who has spent a single unsupervised minute with any child (theirs or not) in the last 40 or so years is a potential scandal.

/This has always been true.

FTFY

Read the case of Margaret Kelly Michaels( Wee Care Nursery School Case)

She spent many years in prison before her conviction was over turned.

FriarReb98: I thought it was Chester. At least that's the way I always heard it....

I think as long as it ends in ester, it's all good.

I was raised Roman Catholic and My mother knew about priests for many years. None of us ever went anywhere alone with one. She's a savvy lady!

Flakeloaf: Shazam999: "He said the priest would try to touch the altar boys when they were putting on their robes, and he'd invite them to the rectory, one at a time"

And then he'd invite himself to the rectalry.

And was subsequently discharged from the seminary.

I'd post the applause.gif, but I'd feel bad complimenting your wit in this particular context.

/against the death penalty
//not against the Arctic labour gulag penalty.

Ishkur: fts: His 10-year-old son is a star hockey player, and already the boy is being scouted by coaches in junior high school. Watching the Penn State story unfold, he saw a man allegedly "using his power as a football coach to lure boys with, 'Hey, we're going to have some fun,' " the man says, adding, "It happened to me. It could happen to my son."

That already HAS happened to young hockey players.

Meet Graham James:

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Once celebrated junior hockey coach kicked out of the profession for being pedobear's #1 fan.


Admittedly, not many people were broken up to hear that Theo Fleury got raped.

The Penn State football sex scandal, and the depraved response of the university community at all levels, tells whatever you need to know about the spiritual condition of this floundering, rudderless republic and its ignoble culture. (new window)

mongbiohazard: The thing is, it's a very small minority of cases where it turns out to be false accusations. More likely is the scenario where victimized kids are afraid or unwilling to come forward and the molester gets free reign to molest more kids for years.

When my wife worked in this area, she found that children have to report abuse, on average five to seven times before significant action is taken on their behalf.

As for TFA, RAINN (new window) has seen a 38% increase in help-line traffic since the Sandusky scandal broke last week. PSU alumni have also raised (new window) ~$400K in the last five days for RAINN, for the record.

The Citadel (new window) in Charleston, SC just had a volunteer coach from one of their youth camps arrested for molesting kids as well, and they're doing their best to differentiate themselves from the Penn State scandal. The parallels are sadly many in number.

Matthew Keene: I always made them extra extra special promise to keep our little secret, so I'm probably okay here.

Dinky swear?

/OK, now I'm part of the problem.

beta_plus: Penn state has had Pedos on their faculty before with no relation to football and done nothing about it. (new window)

According to the article you cite, we was arrested, passed a [flawed] lie detector test and charges were dropped. What should have Penn State done in that case? Fire him for being arrested and cleared?

canyoneer: The Penn State football sex scandal, and the depraved response of the university community at all levels, tells whatever you need to know about the spiritual condition of this floundering, rudderless republic and its ignoble culture. (new window)

I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: It is important to remember that the McMartin preschool fiasco was entirely facilitated by the "repressed memory" quackery and cooercive police investigations. The people making allegations (generally speaking) weren't doing it to grind axes or AW. Many had false memories implanted in them as part of the investigations that used repressed memory therapy. Others were coerced into making false claims by overly agressive investigators, similar to people who make false concessions.

Be vigilant about claims of abuse, sure, but dont throw the baby out with the bath water when you make comparisons between these unfolding events and the satanic-panic/child-abuse scandals from two decades ago.

How about the simpler false accusation motives of the Duke lacrosse scandal? When it's just easier to falsely blame an "evil" 3rd party than either fess up to your own problems or correctly blame the real party?

beta_plus:

/if John Grisham had written this it would have been panned by critics for being too ridiculous

Its not predictable enough for John Grisham

One thing an abused child needs loads of, aside from compassion and validation - therapy. Lots of therapy to give the child oppotunities to discuss what's going on in their heads wih someone who will not pass judgement, because one characteristic of child sexual abuse is that the behaviour tends to self-propagate as victims become adults themselves. I will lay down money that Sandusky was sexually abused as a child by a relative or person in authority, and is re-enacting the abuse; hell, he's probably regurgitating the excuses and reasoning his possible abuser(s) presented to him.

Sandusky needs to be kept in highly controlled circumstances for the rest of his days, and his victims need help now to deal with the effects of his assaults and reduce the possibility that they will repeat the abuse themselves. I'm certainly not saying that every abused child will become an abuser themselves, merely that the risk increases, and behaviour patterns transmitted from adults in childhood take a lot of work to break later in life, assuming they can be broken at all.

look. Child rape accusations come and go all the time, but you don't have many opportunities to put together a really great football program.

incrdbil: Is there a reason we shouldn't simply execute pedophiles? I mean a true, guilty far beyond al ldoubt, multiple victim child rapist pedophile? Sentenced, 1 appeal, mandatory execution after 2 years or conclusion of the one appeal, whichever comes first.


I'm not sure we execute enough people, in general, though on the other hand we also jail too many people. Take the case of the chick at Lululemon who savagely murdered another chick. She's probably going to get life without parole. Why? Why not simply kill her? Why allow her to be a drain on society in the care of the state for the rest of her life which - considering her age - may very well be 50 years or more? It makes no sense to me. She brutally murdered someone for no good reason... We won't let her rejoin society, but we also won't just end her and move on.

We as a society gain nothing at all from this approach.

We certainly don't want a society where we execute people over too many infractions, but that case - and the case of someone who has victimized so many children like Sandusky has - don't seem to be too grey of areas.

beta_plus:
If even half of this is finally confirmed, prosecuting "those responsible" will not be enough. Penn State needs to be Arthur Andersened.

I...can say I've been waiting a long time for 'Andersen' to be used as a verb.

One of my mental masturbation hobbies is reading about organizational corruption. I read all about Enron, and Andersen. This book, and you know there will be one, is going to be really fascinating and sickening.

mongbiohazard: gshepnyc: As long as we don't immediately believe every accusation we hear. That's how we got the McMarten Day Care tragedy and ruined, innocent lives.

There ARE bad people out there but every now and then the country goes wholehog down the rabbit hole with mass hysterias. We're about due for one.


The thing is, it's a very small minority of cases where it turns out to be false accusations. More likely is the scenario where victimized kids are afraid or unwilling to come forward and the molester gets free reign to molest more kids for years.

I'm not as concerned about false positives, I don't believe they're all that common but child abuse is disturbingly common.

If you say you are "not concerned about false positives" you have either not thought it through or you are incredibly immoral. EVERYONE is a potential "false positive." You, me, your dad, the stranger feeding birds in the park. Everyone. And if there is one crime by which accusation, even false, that a person can be irreparably destroyed it is molestation. Innocent accused lose their jobs, lose their friends, lose their homes and have it hang over them forever, even once cleared. The headlines about the accusation and arrest are trumpeted while any mention of their eventual innocence being determined will be buried on page eight because it isn't salacious.

It's immoral people who are "not concerned with false positives" that fuel the witchhunts that have ruined innocent lives throughout history.

Why is child molestation evil? Because it is the ruination of an innocent. But you are perfectly willing to ruin another innocent in pursuit of molestors. Do you see what that makes you?